Death of relatives at a Civil War Hospital.
Keith Nuttle
I have been working on the Ephriam Barlet (b:1824) family from Berks
county Pennsylvania. During the Civil war his child Henry b:1845
and his first wife Susanna b:1821 disappear. Ephriam and his second
wife, Catharine, are living in Reading in the 1870 census.
I have found some indication that Henry may have enlisted in the
Union Army and may have been wounded at about the time that Susanna
disappears.
In trying to use what I think I know to find new avenues to explore,
I came upon the scenario: "Susanna when received the notice that her
son was wounded went to the civil war hospital to nurse him and they
both died of disease. (Smallpox? etc.)" For the scenario, I assumed
they did not die in Berks county, as I have found nothing on their
deaths.
My question, if they died in say Virginia would their deaths have
been filed with the county/state in which they died. (Assuming that
Susanna made it to the military hospital where her son was
recovering, I assume there would be a completely different situation
if Susanna died on the way.)
To re-phrase the question would the deaths of relatives who came to
a civil war military hospital be recorded by any one or would they
be lost.
Keith Nuttle <keith_...@sbcglobal.net>
singhals
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http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/soldiers.cfm
Henry M. Bartlet (First_Last)
Regiment Name 7 Pennsylvania Cavalry
Side Union
Company
Soldier's Rank_In Private
Soldier's Rank_Out Private
Alternate Name
Notes
Film Number M554 roll 6
Regiment lost during service 8 Officers and 94 Enlisted men killed
and mortally wounded and 5 Officers and 185 Enlisted men by disease.
Total 292.
Predecessor unit:
PENNSYLVANIA VOLUNTEERS
80th REGIMENT VOLUNTEERS.
(See 7th Cavalry.)
***
Additional details on the unit suggests they spent a LOT of time
south the Virginia-Carolina border.
Other than that, whether an enemy civilian death would be recorded
in the civil records -- probably depends on numerous variables.
Which means, you have to check but don't hold your breath.
This help?
Cheryl
singhals <sing...@erols.com>
Keith Nuttle
> > I have been working on the Ephriam Barlet (b:1824) family from Berks
> > county Pennsylvania. During the Civil war his child Henry b:1845
> > and his first wife Susanna b:1821 disappear. Ephriam and his second
> > wife, Catharine, are living in Reading in the 1870 census.
> >
> >
Thank you for the information.
Rightly or boneheadedly I had found this information, but had
dismissed it for two reasons. One because in records that I have
found it is always Henry F. Barlet. Two while many researchers of
the Barlet family have considered Bartlet as be a spelling
variation, I question that, because of the phonetic values in the
two words. (The very hard tl sound in the middle of Bartlet, is
missing in Barlet. Barolet is phonetically more similar to Barlet
that Bartlet.)
This is the person that I that I found on Ancestry that I mentioned.
_______________________________________________________________________
Name: Henry F Barolett , Enlistment Date: 1 Aug 1861 Side Served:
Union State Served: Pennsylvania
Service Record: Enlisted as a Private on 01 August 1861 Enlisted in
Company C, 3rd Cavalry Regiment Pennsylvania on 01 August 1861.
Received a disability discharge Company C, 3rd Cavalry Regiment
Pennsylvania on 09 February 1863
_______________________________________________________________________
From everything I have found on Ephriam Barlet, there is only one
of him in Berks county Pa. in 1850 - 1870 time period. As I said his
first wife Susanna and his son Henry F. disappears after the 1860
census and his second wife Catharine is living with him in the 1870
census.
The problem arises of when Susanna dies because in 1867 there is a
deed where Susanna and Ephriam sell a piece of property. My wishful
thinking is that the Justice of Peace slight knowing Ephriam assumed
the "wife in tow" was Susanna not knowing she died and Ephriam had
married Catharine.
Keith Nuttle <keith_...@sbcglobal.net>
Huntersglenn
Virginia didn't require death records at that time period. That
said, there were some counties that did keep death registers, but
it's more of a hit and miss type of thing. For instance, Henry
County, VA had a death register that covered through the Civil War
(I have a copy of a transcription of those registers, and your Henry
is not in there). Bedford County, VA had a death register that skips
the Civil War - its dates are 1853-1860 and then 1868-1880. You
might try the various GenWeb sites for the counties where his unit
was near, to see if there are death registers for those counties, or
cemetery records.
Good luck,
Cathy
Huntersglenn <hunter...@cox.net>
Wes Groleau
One of my ancestors was not with his unit through over a year of
muster reports. His pension records mention he had health problems
resulting from his service. This leads me to wonder whether his
absence was due to hospitalization. Not likely to be unauthorized,
as he was promoted before leaving that company.
Is there a way to get info on hospitalizations during the Civil War?
Another possibility is that as a Blacksmith, he was assigned for a while
to staff at a level higher than regiment. How would I search for that?
--
Wes Groleau
Community Language Learning =E2=80=9CInappropriate?
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW?itemid=3D30
Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org>
jass...@aol.com
> Is there a way to get info on hospitalizations during the Civil
> War?
>
My ancestor, newly arrived from Thuringia (not called that at the
time) in 1860, spent most of his time in the Civil War in a hospital
in Cincinnati, Ohio. When he applied for a pension, many years
later, he had two men who knew him in the Union Army from Ohio, and
they testified that he got sick sleeping on the cold ground in
Virginia, and eating the food supplied to the soldiers. (Dreadful
stuff from what I have read.) Also, his payroll papers told where
he was. In other words he spent most of his time in the hospital.
After the war he was a professional musician. (He was a musician in
the Civil War, but I do not know what instrument.) He lived almost
40 more years.
If your ancestor applied for a pension maybe you can get his
records.
Joan in Scottsdale, AZ
singhals
Keith Nuttle wrote:
> > > I have been working on the Ephriam Barlet (b:1824) family from Berks
> > > county Pennsylvania. During the Civil war his child Henry b:1845
> > > and his first wife Susanna b:1821 disappear. Ephriam and his second
> > > wife, Catharine, are living in Reading in the 1870 census.
> > >
> > >
> > Cheryl Singhals<sing...@erols.com>
>
> Thank you for the information.
>
> Rightly or boneheadedly I had found this information, but had
> dismissed it for two reasons. One because in records that I have
> found it is always Henry F. Barlet. Two while many researchers of
> the Barlet family have considered Bartlet as be a spelling
> variation, I question that, because of the phonetic values in the
> two words. (The very hard tl sound in the middle of Bartlet, is
> missing in Barlet. Barolet is phonetically more similar to Barlet
> that Bartlet.)
Sentences including the phrase "...is always..." tend to be
not-always. My GM, for instance, ALWAYS said her mother-in-law died
about 1934. Fact is, the woman didn't die until 1941.
I suspect you've relied too heavily on Soundex and underestimated
differences in pronounciation then and now and in spelling then and
now.
> This is the person that I that I found on Ancestry that I mentioned.
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Name: Henry F Barolett , Enlistment Date: 1 Aug 1861 Side Served:
> Union State Served: Pennsylvania
> Service Record: Enlisted as a Private on 01 August 1861 Enlisted in
> Company C, 3rd Cavalry Regiment Pennsylvania on 01 August 1861.
> Received a disability discharge Company C, 3rd Cavalry Regiment
> Pennsylvania on 09 February 1863
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
> From everything I have found on Ephriam Barlet, there is only one
> of him in Berks county Pa. in 1850 - 1870 time period. As I said his
> first wife Susanna and his son Henry F. disappears after the 1860
> census and his second wife Catharine is living with him in the 1870
> census.
How do you /know/ Catherine was his 2nd wife and not, say, his
sister or daughter or aunt or neice? The 1870 didn't show
relationships. Is there a marriage record?
> The problem arises of when Susanna dies because in 1867 there is a
> deed where Susanna and Ephriam sell a piece of property. My wishful
> thinking is that the Justice of Peace slight knowing Ephriam assumed
> the "wife in tow" was Susanna not knowing she died and Ephriam had
> married Catharine.
Either way, get hold of his service record. You can order a copy
from NARA or you can visit the DC main NARA to see these; LDS may
have them on microfilm, and you can buy the film from NARA. Or,
someone here who is going to NARA might look it up for you. Is
there a widow's pension for him? That'll have more info about his
genealogy than the service record but the service record will say
where and when he died.
Cheryl
singhals <sing...@erols.com>
Keith Nuttle
On 1/16/2010 10:40 PM, singhals wrote:
> Keith Nuttle wrote:
>
>>>> I have been working on the Ephriam Barlet (b:1824) family from Berks
>>>> county Pennsylvania. During the Civil war his child Henry b:1845
>>>> and his first wife Susanna b:1821 disappear. Ephriam and his second
>>>> wife, Catharine, are living in Reading in the 1870 census.
>>>> Keith Nuttle<keith_...@sbcglobal.net>
>>> Other than that, whether an enemy civilian death would be recorded
>>> in the civil records -- probably depends on numerous variables.
>>> Which means, you have to check but don't hold your breath.
>>>
>>> This help?
>>>
>>> Cheryl Singhals<sing...@erols.com>
>>
>> Thank you for the information.
>>
z
>> missing in Barlet. Barolet is phonetically more similar to Barlet
>> that Bartlet.)
>
> Sentences including the phrase "...is always..." tend to be
> not-always. My GM, for instance, ALWAYS said her mother-in-law died
> about 1934. Fact is, the woman didn't die until 1941.
>
> I suspect you've relied too heavily on Soundex and underestimated
> differences in pronounciation then and now and in spelling then and
> now.
>
>> This is the person that I that I found on Ancestry that I mentioned.
>> From everything I have found on Ephriam Barlet, there is only one
>> of him in Berks county Pa. in 1850 - 1870 time period. As I said his
>> first wife Susanna and his son Henry F. disappears after the 1860
>> census and his second wife Catharine is living with him in the 1870
>> census.
>
> How do you /know/ Catherine was his 2nd wife and not, say, his
> sister or daughter or aunt or neice? The 1870 didn't show
> relationships. Is there a marriage record?
From the Philadelphia Public Ledger for Friday, May 8, 1874, page 2:
"BARLET - On the 5th inst., CATHARINE, wife of the late Ephraim Barlet,
in the 27th year of her age. The relatives and friends of the family
are most respectfully invited to attend her funeral, from her late
residence, No. 1107[?] Palmer street on this afternoon, at 1 o'clock.
To proceed to Ivy Hill cemetery."
>> married Catharine.
>
> Either way, get hold of his service record. You can order a copy
> from NARA or you can visit the DC main NARA to see these; LDS may
> have them on microfilm, and you can buy the film from NARA. Or,
> someone here who is going to NARA might look it up for you. Is
> there a widow's pension for him? That'll have more info about his
> genealogy than the service record but the service record will say
> where and when he died.
>
> Cheryl Singhals<sing...@erols.com>
Wes Groleau
> If your ancestor applied for a pension maybe you can get his
> records.
>
Yes. The pension records are where I got the suspicion of illness.
But I'd prefer evidence to suspicion.
--
Wes Groleau
"Beware the barrenness of a busy life."
-- George Verwer
Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org>
singhals
Keith Nuttle wrote:
> On 1/16/2010 10:40 PM, singhals wrote:
>
>>Keith Nuttle wrote:
>>
>>>>>I have been working on the Ephriam Barlet (b:1824) family from Berks
>>>>>county Pennsylvania. During the Civil war his child Henry b:1845
>>>>>and his first wife Susanna b:1821 disappear. Ephriam and his second
>>>>>wife, Catharine, are living in Reading in the 1870 census.
>
>
>>>>>Keith Nuttle<keith_...@sbcglobal.net>
>
>
>>>>Other than that, whether an enemy civilian death would be recorded
>>>>in the civil records -- probably depends on numerous variables.
>>>>Which means, you have to check but don't hold your breath.
>>>>
>>>>This help?
>>>>
>>>>Cheryl Singhals<sing...@erols.com>
>>>
>>>Thank you for the information.
>>>
>
> z
>
>>>missing in Barlet. Barolet is phonetically more similar to Barlet
>>>that Bartlet.)
>>
>>Sentences including the phrase "...is always..." tend to be
>>not-always. My GM, for instance, ALWAYS said her mother-in-law died
>>about 1934. Fact is, the woman didn't die until 1941.
>>
>>I suspect you've relied too heavily on Soundex and underestimated
>>differences in pronounciation then and now and in spelling then and
>>now.
>>
>>
>>>This is the person that I that I found on Ancestry that I mentioned.
>
>
>>> From everything I have found on Ephriam Barlet, there is only one
>>>of him in Berks county Pa. in 1850 - 1870 time period. As I said his
>>>first wife Susanna and his son Henry F. disappears after the 1860
>>>census and his second wife Catharine is living with him in the 1870
>>>census.
>>
>>How do you /know/ Catherine was his 2nd wife and not, say, his
>>sister or daughter or aunt or neice? The 1870 didn't show
>>relationships. Is there a marriage record?
>
>
> From the Philadelphia Public Ledger for Friday, May 8, 1874, page 2:
>
> "BARLET - On the 5th inst., CATHARINE, wife of the late Ephraim Barlet,
> in the 27th year of her age. The relatives and friends of the family
> are most respectfully invited to attend her funeral, from her late
> residence, No. 1107[?] Palmer street on this afternoon, at 1 o'clock.
> To proceed to Ivy Hill cemetery."
(G) OK, that seems adequate. (g)
OTOH, People do make mistakes. I have a female ancestor named
Phoebe. Yet, on the last census before her death, she's given as
Susannah.
In the straw-clutch department, you MIGHT check around outside Berks
co for the marriage record for Eph and Catherine. Always
anecdotally possible Susanna and Henry were nursed by Catharine or
her family, and Eph married her a few years later.
Cheryl
singhals <sing...@erols.com>