Archival Storage problem
singhals
I inherited from my GM a fistfull of ribbons she won at the County
Fair. These are the standard, low-key, ribbons, nothing fancy,
nothing with a huge rosette; attached to the ribbon is the card
identifying her entry.
She thumbtacked each year's take onto her bedroom wall (g), each
year removing the previous year's haul.
My son likewise collected a handful of the same type ribbon for Cub
and Boy Scout activities.
I don't want to put them behind glass for display -- see no point to
that; but I don't really want to leave them in the woven basket
they're in either. Scanning them is an exercise for the
more-bore-than-I, because almost everyone knows what they look like.
Is there some sort of specialty sleeve for these things? I haven't
tripped over the right search-term yet, so I'm a bit frustrated. I
checked my usual links for archival products and didn't see anything
recognizable.
Cheryl
singhals <sing...@erols.com>
ne...@jecarter.us
These people sell display and storage "stuff" for libraries
(including acid-free and buffered sleeves & boxes), so they may have
something you can use. Their catalog of "book care and repair
supplies" (maybe 200 pages) came in the mail Monday and I'm still
working my way through it ;-)
John
J. Hugh Sullivan
Perhaps not your cup of tea but...
I have a storage box with things of my Mom and Dad that I wanted to
save. It is clearly labelled and stored in the attic. My WWII
souvenirs, except the Jap rifle and bayonettes, are stored the same
way.
I am an Eagle Scout as are our two sons and two grandsons. I have
their patches, etc. stored in shoeboxes, clearly labelled as to
owner. I store my stuff the same way but close at hand because I am
still involved with BSA.
I am not a pack rat. In fact I threw many things away after my
parents died and incurred the wrath of my wife - the one who needs
more beds and doors to store stuff under and behind. If I want her
to know I said that please let me be the one to tell her.
The walls of my den are covered with certs, medals and plaques. I'm
sorry for our sons if they try to store the walls. They should put
everything in a huge box and label it Hugh.
One of our sons will cherish and keep all that stuff - the other
will be more sensible and discard the older stuff or give it to
museums.
One suggestion - make your decision on a day when your heart is not
so soft.
As for the ribbons, etc. A large 3-ring with plastic inserts made
for numerous ribbons (actually small photos or business cards) and
properly labelled might serve your purpose. That works for a lot of
BSA stuff, too. Notebooks with space to contain labelling on the
spine are available.
Hugh
Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan)
singhals
>
> These people sell display and storage "stuff" for libraries
> (including acid-free and buffered sleeves & boxes), so they may have
> something you can use. Their catalog of "book care and repair
> supplies" (maybe 200 pages) came in the mail Monday and I'm still
> working my way through it ;-)
>
> http://www.shopbrodart.com/
>
> John ne...@jecarter.us
Thanks for the link. I don't have that one on my list.
Cheryl
singhals
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
> > Cheryl Singhals <sing...@erols.com>
>
> Perhaps not your cup of tea but...
>
> I have a storage box with things of my Mom and Dad that I wanted to
> save. It is clearly labelled and stored in the attic. My WWII
> souvenirs, except the Jap rifle and bayonettes, are stored the same
> way.
>
> I am an Eagle Scout as are our two sons and two grandsons. I have
Hmmm, do I say "NO! you don't say!" or do I go with "yeah, yeah,
we've heard" ? Lordy, I hate decisions....
> their patches, etc. stored in shoeboxes, clearly labelled as to
> owner. I store my stuff the same way but close at hand because I am
> still involved with BSA.
>
> I am not a pack rat. In fact I threw many things away after my
> parents died and incurred the wrath of my wife - the one who needs
> more beds and doors to store stuff under and behind. If I want her
> to know I said that please let me be the one to tell her.
Y'know, I've been meaning to tell her about those lifts you can get
for the feet of the bed and get another 6 inches under each of 'em.
'Course, then you need bed-steps ...
> The walls of my den are covered with certs, medals and plaques. I'm
> sorry for our sons if they try to store the walls. They should put
> everything in a huge box and label it Hugh.
>
Why not just get a sign made for the front door? ;)
> One of our sons will cherish and keep all that stuff - the other
> will be more sensible and discard the older stuff or give it to
> museums.
>
> One suggestion - make your decision on a day when your heart is not
> so soft.
Yeah, that's part of it. I look at this ribbon for a pair of
embroidered pillow-cases, and I've GOT those pillow-cases, and all
those ribbons for hot rolls, and I've got that recipe ...
> As for the ribbons, etc. A large 3-ring with plastic inserts made
> for numerous ribbons (actually small photos or business cards) and
> properly labelled might serve your purpose. That works for a lot of
> BSA stuff, too. Notebooks with space to contain labelling on the
> spine are available.
I've got 35mm slides from a cemetery in those pages, and they work
pretty good for coin collections (and doubloons) too. But I haven't
seen any that divide the insert vertically into 3 columns.
Cheryl
singhals <sing...@erols.com>
J. Hugh Sullivan
> > > Is there some sort of specialty sleeve for these things? I haven't
> > > tripped over the right search-term yet, so I'm a bit frustrated. I
> > > checked my usual links for archival products and didn't see anything
> > > recognizable.
> > >
> > > Cheryl Singhals <sing...@erols.com>
> J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
>
> > Perhaps not your cup of tea but...
> >
> > I have a storage box with things of my Mom and Dad that I wanted to
> > save. It is clearly labelled and stored in the attic. My WWII
> > souvenirs, except the Jap rifle and bayonettes, are stored the same
> > way.
> >
> > I am an Eagle Scout as are our two sons and two grandsons. I have
>
> Hmmm, do I say "NO! you don't say!" or do I go with "yeah, yeah,
> we've heard" ? Lordy, I hate decisions....
Gee, aren't I allowed an intro into what and where?
> > their patches, etc. stored in shoeboxes, clearly labelled as to
> > owner. I store my stuff the same way but close at hand because I am
> > still involved with BSA.
> >
> > I am not a pack rat. In fact I threw many things away after my
> > parents died and incurred the wrath of my wife - the one who needs
> > more beds and doors to store stuff under and behind. If I want her
> > to know I said that please let me be the one to tell her.
>
> Y'know, I've been meaning to tell her about those lifts you can get
> for the feet of the bed and get another 6 inches under each of 'em.
> 'Course, then you need bed-steps ...
Turn the slop jar over - we have indoor plumbing now since the crick
under the outhouse dried up.
> > The walls of my den are covered with certs, medals and plaques. I'm
> > sorry for our sons if they try to store the walls. They should put
> > everything in a huge box and label it Hugh.
>
> Why not just get a sign made for the front door? ;)
She has one - Husband for sale, TV and remote included.
> > One of our sons will cherish and keep all that stuff - the other
> > will be more sensible and discard the older stuff or give it to
> > museums.
> >
> > One suggestion - make your decision on a day when your heart is not
> > so soft.
>
> Yeah, that's part of it. I look at this ribbon for a pair of
> embroidered pillow-cases, and I've GOT those pillow-cases, and all
> those ribbons for hot rolls, and I've got that recipe ...
If you have gravy to go with those rolls listen for my knock. If
you don't see anybody, it's me. 8-)
My dad had a pencil collection. I made a large board with elastic
loops to mount the collection. When he passed I made a small board
to contain only the unusual or really nice items and stored all the
rest. Sounds like you need to do some culling for display. You
could label with how many additional ribbons she won.
Add hooks to the tall coat rack in the hall corner and hang the
ribbons from there - should hold a pot full and you would win the
ribbon for the most unusual display.
> > As for the ribbons, etc. A large 3-ring with plastic inserts made
> > for numerous ribbons (actually small photos or business cards) and
> > properly labelled might serve your purpose. That works for a lot of
> > BSA stuff, too. Notebooks with space to contain labelling on the
> > spine are available.
>
> I've got 35mm slides from a cemetery in those pages, and they work
> pretty good for coin collections (and doubloons) too. But I haven't
> seen any that divide the insert vertically into 3 columns.
My albun of cemetery pictures (not slides) has the full page plastic
foldover that clings to the thick backing on both sides. If the
ribbons are not too thick that might work.
You might look at advertisers in Scouting mags - or ask a patch
collector*. Plastic holders for various size patches are available
in assorted formats.
*not the mustard patch - you shouldn't be there any more. 8-)
ne...@jecarter.us
> Yeah, that's part of it. I look at this ribbon for a pair of
> embroidered pillow-cases, and I've GOT those pillow-cases, and all
> those ribbons for hot rolls, and I've got that recipe ...
>
When my wife's mother (known as "Granny") died, one of our daughters
collected the family's favorite recipes and some pictures (both old
[cooking Christmas dinner in 1993] and new [making her trademark
banana pudding with a great-granddaughter]) and had a book printed.
Since I'm the family historian, I was sworn to secrecy and then
scanned lots of old pictures and hand-written recipes ;-)
"Granny's Recipes" was a Christmas gift to my wife and Granny's
three granddaughters (our two daughters and my wife's brother's
daughter).
I don't remember which company did the printing, but there are
several online printers who do very reasonable small-lot
books-on-demand.
Yes, the book does get regular use ;-)
Just another way of preserving a bit of family history. The recipes
and pictures ensure that at least a little family history will get
passed down to the next generation - both of Granny's
greatgranddaughters (ages 5 & 8) love to help in the kitchen.
Did you know that some 5 year olds can break eggs on the edge of a
mixing bowl without getting eggshell in the batter? Could that be
inherited ;-)
John
singhals
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:28:28 -0800 (PST), singhals
> <sing...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>tripped over the right search-term yet, so I'm a bit frustrated. I
>>>>checked my usual links for archival products and didn't see anything
>>>>recognizable.
>>>>
>>>>Cheryl Singhals <sing...@erols.com>
>
>
>
>>J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Perhaps not your cup of tea but...
>>>
>>>I have a storage box with things of my Mom and Dad that I wanted to
>>>save. It is clearly labelled and stored in the attic. My WWII
>>>souvenirs, except the Jap rifle and bayonettes, are stored the same
>>>way.
>>>
>>>I am an Eagle Scout as are our two sons and two grandsons. I have
>>
>>Hmmm, do I say "NO! you don't say!" or do I go with "yeah, yeah,
>>we've heard" ? Lordy, I hate decisions....
>
>
>
>
>
>>>owner. I store my stuff the same way but close at hand because I am
>>>still involved with BSA.
>>>
>>>I am not a pack rat. In fact I threw many things away after my
>>>parents died and incurred the wrath of my wife - the one who needs
>>>more beds and doors to store stuff under and behind. If I want her
>>>to know I said that please let me be the one to tell her.
>>
>>Y'know, I've been meaning to tell her about those lifts you can get
>>for the feet of the bed and get another 6 inches under each of 'em.
>>'Course, then you need bed-steps ...
>
>
> under the outhouse dried up.
>
>
>
>>>sorry for our sons if they try to store the walls. They should put
>>>everything in a huge box and label it Hugh.
>>
>>Why not just get a sign made for the front door? ;)
>
>
>
>
>
>>>will be more sensible and discard the older stuff or give it to
>>>museums.
>>>
>>>One suggestion - make your decision on a day when your heart is not
>>>so soft.
>>
>>Yeah, that's part of it. I look at this ribbon for a pair of
>>embroidered pillow-cases, and I've GOT those pillow-cases, and all
>>those ribbons for hot rolls, and I've got that recipe ...
>
>
> you don't see anybody, it's me. 8-)
I don't do red-eye or sausage, you may not want it. (g)
> My dad had a pencil collection. I made a large board with elastic
> loops to mount the collection. When he passed I made a small board
> to contain only the unusual or really nice items and stored all the
> rest. Sounds like you need to do some culling for display. You
> could label with how many additional ribbons she won.
I'm thinking of sticking my d-i-l with the cull after I'm
gone. She didn't know my GM, never ate those rolls, hasn't
seen the pillow-cases ... she'll recognize junk when she
sees it. ;)
> Add hooks to the tall coat rack in the hall corner and hang the
> ribbons from there - should hold a pot full and you would win the
> ribbon for the most unusual display.
uhhh, that's where I'm keeping my "special" Christmas
ornaments ...
>>>As for the ribbons, etc. A large 3-ring with plastic inserts made
>>>for numerous ribbons (actually small photos or business cards) and
>>>properly labelled might serve your purpose. That works for a lot of
>>>BSA stuff, too. Notebooks with space to contain labelling on the
>>>spine are available.
>>
>>I've got 35mm slides from a cemetery in those pages, and they work
>>pretty good for coin collections (and doubloons) too. But I haven't
>>seen any that divide the insert vertically into 3 columns.
>
>
> My albun of cemetery pictures (not slides) has the full page plastic
> foldover that clings to the thick backing on both sides. If the
> ribbons are not too thick that might work.
>
> You might look at advertisers in Scouting mags - or ask a patch
> collector*. Plastic holders for various size patches are available
> in assorted formats.
OKAY! EX-cellent ... now why didn't I think of it (I know,
I've only got one Eagle in the family, tha's it).
> *not the mustard patch - you shouldn't be there any more. 8-)
How do you find a mustard patch when it's not in bloom?
Cheryl
singhals <sing...@erols.com>
singhals
ne...@jecarter.us wrote:
> > Yeah, that's part of it. I look at this ribbon for a pair of
> > embroidered pillow-cases, and I've GOT those pillow-cases, and all
> > those ribbons for hot rolls, and I've got that recipe ...
> >
> > Cheryl Singhals <sing...@erols.com>
>
> When my wife's mother (known as "Granny") died, one of our daughters
> collected the family's favorite recipes and some pictures (both old
> [cooking Christmas dinner in 1993] and new [making her trademark
> banana pudding with a great-granddaughter]) and had a book printed.
> Since I'm the family historian, I was sworn to secrecy and then
> scanned lots of old pictures and hand-written recipes ;-)
>
> "Granny's Recipes" was a Christmas gift to my wife and Granny's
> three granddaughters (our two daughters and my wife's brother's
> daughter).
>
> I don't remember which company did the printing, but there are
> several online printers who do very reasonable small-lot
> books-on-demand.
>
> Yes, the book does get regular use ;-)
>
> Just another way of preserving a bit of family history. The recipes
> and pictures ensure that at least a little family history will get
> passed down to the next generation - both of Granny's
> greatgranddaughters (ages 5 & 8) love to help in the kitchen.
I didn't think of going the real-publisher route ...
In the '70s, I did a saddle-bound thing similiar to yours called
"The Things We Do for Christmas" and passed it around. Discovered
that I needed to be more specific than I was -- people who live 6
states away need brand-names and sources for "buckwheat flour"
because the stuff you buy at the health-food stores doesn't work in
these recipes; some people can't tell the difference between a
pinch, a dash, and a sprinkle (g)...
I have scanned in the recipes she won prizes for and several others,
and was pondering how to share those most effectively; The
real-publisher with pictures route sounds promising. Thanks!
> Did you know that some 5 year olds can break eggs on the edge of a
> mixing bowl without getting eggshell in the batter? Could that be
> inherited ;-)
I got much of my calcium from missed egg-shells while I was learning
to cook. (g) And I learned to wash the &*(^ eggs before breaking
them when I was at the uncles' places...
Cheryl
singhals <sing...@erols.com>
J. Hugh Sullivan
Cheryl Singhals <sing...@erols.com> wrote:
> J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
> > If you have gravy to go with those rolls listen for my knock. If
> > you don't see anybody, it's me. 8-)
>
>I don't do red-eye or sausage, you may not want it. (g)
Verlee once said there wasn't any gravy. I responded that there is
no such thing as no gravy. The two kinds are good and better.
> > You might look at advertisers in Scouting mags - or ask a patch
> > collector*. Plastic holders for various size patches are available
> > in assorted formats.
>
> OKAY! EX-cellent ... now why didn't I think of it (I know,
> I've only got one Eagle in the family, tha's it).
How can I forget - every 5 years I have to pay all our dues to the
NESA. I just mailed the check.
> > *not the mustard patch - you shouldn't be there any more. 8-)
>
> How do you find a mustard patch when it's not in bloom?
It's gotta be 5 o'clock somewhere! Look for the late bloomers.
Wes Groleau
> I didn't think of going the real-publisher route ...
>
When I wanted a book that was out-of-print, I downloaded a free PDF
copy, printed it myself, added a photo of the author taken by a
mutual friend, and had Kinko's bind it for less than four dollars.
Your librarian can tell you where to get such things done in
hardcover for about ten dollars (US).
--
Wes Groleau
Standards?a parable
http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW?itemid=145
Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org>
singhals
> > I didn't think of going the real-publisher route ...
> >
>
> When I wanted a book that was out-of-print, I downloaded a free PDF
> copy, printed it myself, added a photo of the author taken by a
> mutual friend, and had Kinko's bind it for less than four dollars.
>
> Your librarian can tell you where to get such things done in
> hardcover for about ten dollars (US).
>
Amazing what a change in angle does for one's mental blocks.
I now notice that drugstores and camera shops are offering books as
well, which would seem to be an excellent POD-choice for this sort
of thing. Most are in the $15 range, which isn't outrageous for ds
color printing.
Cheryl
singhals <sing...@erols.com>
Lesley Robertson
> Scanning them is an exercise for the
> more-bore-than-I, because almost everyone knows what they look like.
>
A slightly sideways comment, Cheryl, and probably of more use to
beginners than to you. Remember that your "everyone" applies to now
and in your location. I (on the other side of the world) don't know,
and possibly people in 50 years time won't, so make sure you lable
them (on acid-free paper and in pencil).
My laboratory museum has a whole shelf full of bits of equipment
that nobody can now identify. Whenever we get a retired former
worker on a visit, they're always asked, but sometimes even they
don't know. These things must have been in regular (and obvious to
those who used them) use once.
Lesley Robertson
"Lesley Robertson" <l.a.ro...@tnw.tudelft.nl>
Wes Groleau
> My laboratory museum has a whole shelf full of bits of equipment
>
> Lesley Robertson
I've had co-workers who could not identify the slide rule on my
wall.
My cube-mate put a card on it that said "In case of power failure,
open flap." The next visitor we had asked if there were batteries
in the case.
--
Wes Groleau
"Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity.
But I'm not so sure about the universe."
-- Albert Einstein
Wes Groleau <Grolea...@FreeShell.org>
singhals
Lesley Robertson wrote:
> > Scanning them is an exercise for the
> > more-bore-than-I, because almost everyone knows what they look like.
> >
> > "Cheryl Singhals" <sing...@erols.com>
>
> A slightly sideways comment, Cheryl, and probably of more use to
> beginners than to you. Remember that your "everyone" applies to now
> and in your location. I (on the other side of the world) don't know,
> and possibly people in 50 years time won't, so make sure you lable
> them (on acid-free paper and in pencil).
All right, excellent point. I'll scan a couple of them -- say one
each color. Can I blame my pneumonia?
> My laboratory museum has a whole shelf full of bits of equipment
> that nobody can now identify. Whenever we get a retired former
> worker on a visit, they're always asked, but sometimes even they
> don't know. These things must have been in regular (and obvious to
> those who used them) use once.
Grab yerself a newly arrived grad student from one of the 3rd Worlds
-- grab several in fact. My husband identified, instantly, several
household implements for a museum here just after we were married;
here they were antiques, there they were still in common use.
Cheryl
singhals <sing...@erols.com>
J. Hugh Sullivan
> > My laboratory museum has a whole shelf full of bits of equipment
> > that nobody can now identify. Whenever we get a retired former ...
> >
> > Lesley Robertson
>
> I've had co-workers who could not identify the slide rule on my
> wall.
>
> My cube-mate put a card on it that said "In case of power failure,
> open flap." The next visitor we had asked if there were batteries
> in the case.
>
When I was first employed by a major natural gas transmission
company the gas dispatchers used slide rules to calculate gas flow.
I was not in their department but I learned anyhow. It took me
almost half a day to do what they did in a few minutes. Memory
fails but was there such a thing as a log-log-duplex?
As one of my sons said, I saw a new record player - you don't even
have to plug it in - just wind it up. Windups disappeared for a
generation and returned as portables. I wonder how many here don't
understand "record player".
Bob Melson
Ah, nostalgia!
Waaaaaaay back in the mists of my past - but after the discovery of
fire - I worked on the project developing the Sergeant missile. In
doing missile flight analysis we used such esoteric tools as Gerber
scales and Monroe and Frieden calculators. Gerbers allowed you to
"parse" computer printouts of the telemetered data, Friedens
actually had a square-root function and Monroes .. well, most
analysts would've killed for a Monroe. Or, how 'bout the
mathematicians and physicists who were the computer programmers of
the day, they guys who could actually READ the paper tapes? When a
program patch was literally that (you'd find the error, punch a
short segment of tape with the right code and "patch" it into the
right place)?
Ah, nostalgia!
Stone-age Ol' Bob
--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke's 3d Law
Bob Melson <amia...@mypacks.net>
Steve Hayes
> As one of my sons said, I saw a new record player - you don't even
> have to plug it in - just wind it up. Windups disappeared for a
> generation and returned as portables. I wonder how many here don't
> understand "record player".
>
I always called it a gramophone.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://methodius.blogspot.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
Steve Hayes <haye...@telkomsa.net>
Jass...@aol.com
> ... and Monroes .. well, most
> analysts would've killed for a Monroe. Or, how 'bout the
> mathematicians and physicists who were the computer programmers of
> the day, they guys who could actually READ the paper tapes? When a
> program patch was literally that (you'd find the error, punch a
> short segment of tape with the right code and "patch" it into the
> right place)?
>
> Ah, nostalgia!
>
And just think of someone, like my husband, who took computer
courses in 1956 and had to punch his own cards and load them. It
was something when they got an 'operator' who would load the big
tape reels. Now we each sit at our own computer with more power in
our individual hands than he had in his lab. And think about the
heavy coats they wore in those computer rooms because they had
tubes! than had to be cooled. And yes, we still have his slide
rules although, sadly, he can no longer work them.
Joan in Scottsdale AZ
bob gillis
> > As one of my sons said, I saw a new record player - you don't even
> > have to plug it in - just wind it up. Windups disappeared for a
> > generation and returned as portables. I wonder how many here don't
> > understand "record player".
> >
But you live in South Africa with its British English influence. Is
there a city of Gauteng in the province of Gauteng?
bob gillis
bob gillis <robert...@verizon.net>
J. Hugh Sullivan
> Ah, nostalgia!
>
> Waaaaaaay back in the mists of my past - but after the discovery of
> fire - I worked on the project developing the Sergeant missile. In
> doing missile flight analysis we used such esoteric tools as Gerber
> scales and Monroe and Frieden calculators.
>
I had an Underwood Sundstrand 10 key on my right and a Frieden on my
left on my desk. I always put the phone to my left ear so, when I
had to use the Frieden, I had to put the phone down. Muscle memory
is amazing.
Dinosaur (Hugh)
Gerbers allowed you to
>"parse" computer printouts of the telemetered data, Friedens
>actually had a square-root function and Monroes .. well, most
>analysts would've killed for a Monroe. Or, how 'bout the
>mathematicians and physicists who were the computer programmers of
>the day, they guys who could actually READ the paper tapes? When a
>program patch was literally that (you'd find the error, punch a
>short segment of tape with the right code and "patch" it into the
>right place)?
>
>Ah, nostalgia!
>
>Stone-age Ol' Bob
>
>
>--
>Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
> -----
>Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
>Arthur C. Clarke's 3d Law
>
>Bob Melson <amia...@mypacks.net>
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J. Hugh Sullivan
> > As one of my sons said, I saw a new record player - you don't even
> > have to plug it in - just wind it up. Windups disappeared for a
> > generation and returned as portables. I wonder how many here don't
> > understand "record player".
> >
> > Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan)
>
> I always called it a gramophone.
>
I would have except we didn't have one of those little dogs with his
ear cocked.
Hugh
singhals
>
> Waaaaaaay back in the mists of my past - but after the discovery of
> fire - I worked on the project developing the Sergeant missile. In
> doing missile flight analysis we used such esoteric tools as Gerber
> "parse" computer printouts of the telemetered data, Friedens
> actually had a square-root function and Monroes .. well, most
> analysts would've killed for a Monroe. Or, how 'bout the
> mathematicians and physicists who were the computer programmers of
> the day, they guys who could actually READ the paper tapes? When a
> program patch was literally that (you'd find the error, punch a
> short segment of tape with the right code and "patch" it into the
> right place)?
>
> Ah, nostalgia!
>
Ah, yes. I remember the time a Senior Officer "patched" his own
tape and went off like Tarzan when told he'd have to do it again,
correctly. He had used wide Scotch tape because he thought everyone
was doing the glue business to waste time...by the time he slapped
1" wide tape along both edges, there weren't any holes left to read
(nah, he hadn't bothered with the space leaders/trailers either...).
Those WERE the daze ...
Cheryl
singhals <sing...@erols.com>
Mick
J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
>> Ah, nostalgia!
>>
>> Waaaaaaay back in the mists of my past - but after the discovery of
>> fire - I worked on the project developing the Sergeant missile. In
>> doing missile flight analysis we used such esoteric tools as Gerber
>> scales and Monroe and Frieden calculators.
>>
>> Bob Melson <amia...@mypacks.net>
>
> I had an Underwood Sundstrand 10 key on my right and a Frieden on my
> left on my desk. I always put the phone to my left ear so, when I
> had to use the Frieden, I had to put the phone down. Muscle memory
> is amazing.
>
> Dinosaur (Hugh)
>
> Gerbers allowed you to
>> "parse" computer printouts of the telemetered data, Friedens
>> actually had a square-root function and Monroes .. well, most
>> analysts would've killed for a Monroe. Or, how 'bout the
>> mathematicians and physicists who were the computer programmers of
>> the day, they guys who could actually READ the paper tapes? When a
>> program patch was literally that (you'd find the error, punch a
>> short segment of tape with the right code and "patch" it into the
>> right place)?
>>
>> Ah, nostalgia!
>>
>> Stone-age Ol' Bob Melson <amia...@mypacks.net>
If I recall, I used to work for them, it was Friden, A division of
Singer.
Steve Hayes
Yes, sort of.
"Gauteng" is Northern Sotho for "Place of Gold", and was a nickname
for Johannesburg. The Zulu equivalent was "eGoli" (also the name of
a popular TV soap opera).
The province was originally known as "Pretoria/Witwatersrand/
Vereeniging" or PWV for short. This was thought to be a bit clumsy,
so the provincial council asked the public for suggestions, and
Gauteng was chosen.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
J. Hugh Sullivan
> If I recall, I used to work for them, it was Friden, A division of
> Singer.
>
I think you are right. I was not sure so I used Bob's spelling.
I thought I had one of the old 6" plastic rulers but couldn't find
it. I know it was full bank and brown as I recall.
I would take the top off the Sundstrand and speed up the motor. The
maintenance man would come around and slow it down - he couldn't
understand why it would speed up. And I would have to work on it
again once he left.
Margaret J Olson
> If I recall, I used to work for them, it was Friden, A division of
> Singer.
In the competition to show how old we are ...
I've got two of those little plastic rulers the Friden maintenance
and repair people used to give away. I used to have more, but I
expect my approaching-middle-aged kids lost or broke them over the
years when they were little. I've used the Friden, Marchant and
Monroe machines, though at my first job we had quite a few Fridens.
I'll bet each one cost more than my current PC did.
I could do square roots rather fast on a normal manual Friden. I
did the calculation manually by emulating what the Friden did
automatically - if I recall by starting in the left column (or 2) -
subtracting or dividing successively larger odd numbers until the
bell rang - adding in the last one - moving over 1 or 2 columns and
doing the same thing. I was pretty speedy. I forget why this
worked - - but it gave me right answers. The Fridens were useless
for genealogy, however,
Margaret
older than dirt.
Margaret J Olson <olso...@gmail.com>
J. Hugh Sullivan
Where in the universe have you been - long time, no see-um?
I think I saw a Friden genealogy on Ancestry or Family Search - I
forget which.
Hugh (my dirt is older than yours)
Ea...@bellsouth.net (J. Hugh Sullivan)
Michael Reich
> > If I recall, I used to work for them, it was Friden, A division of
> > Singer.
>
> In the competition to show how old we are ...
>
> bell rang - adding in the last one - moving over 1 or 2 columns and
> doing the same thing. I was pretty speedy. I forget why this
> for genealogy, however,
>
> Margaret J Olson
> older than dirt.
Unless you had some square roots in your family.... I couldn't
resist that one... ;-)
Michael Reich <mare...@yahoo.com>
Margaret J Olson
> Unless you had some square roots in your family.... I couldn't
> resist that one... ;-)
Well that does indeed describe my family. My family is filled with
squares and Victorians and clergymen and non-conformists and
stay-at-home Greele(y)s who did NOT take the advice given by their
cousin to "go west, young man". And I have a book which tells me
I'm descended from Old Kinge Coel, too, and an ancestor (Flick)
whose name was spelled "Flake" by a census taker, and another
ancestor who lived in the same block in New York as John P Morgan,
Banker. Though there are no Fridens in the line, I do have Hunters
and Gatherers to look for.
I love this hobby/endeavor!
I'm not sure if this is an Archival Storage problem, though. Maybe
we should change the subject line. :-)
Margaret
Margaret J Olson <olso...@gmail.com>