Miss ____ Preston, wife of Thomas de Roos (de Ros) ca. 1307-1390, is probably not daughter of John de Preston Judge of the Court of Common Pleas

[Michael Rochester]

I am working on my deRos of Wark Castle line, and something does not line up right with the lineage of Miss Preston, wife of Thomas de Roos, who was likely born in early 1300s, wife of Sir John de Preston, Judge of the Court of Common Pleaswho supposedly retired in 1427 and died from some estimates in 1434. This is supported by Douglas Richardson and Burkes:

Burke's Commoners, Vol. I, p. 478; Wallop Family, p. 642.
Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 297.
Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 303.

and https://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/pp/preston03.php albeit a dodgy source

But how can John de Preston, who was a judge (so obviously well documented) have a daughter circa 1310, who married Thomas de Roos of Wark Castle born about 1307, and yet he lives beyond 1427? He would have to be born about 1250-1290 to be a parent of a woman who was born in early 1300s. Obviously her father belongs in an earlier generation, even given the extra preposterous scenarios (very early fatherhood, etc.). He would be over 110 years old to be a father of this unnamed woman.

Can Miss Preston be somehow connected to someone else, or an earlier John de Preston of Preston Patrick?

My descent:
(Lady) Preston 1307-
21st great-grandmother
(Sir) John deRos 1327-1357
Son of (Lady) Preston
Elizabeth Ros 1356-1424
Daughter of (Sir) John deRos
John Parr 1383-1407
Son of Elizabeth Ros
(Sir) Thomas Parr Sheriff of Westmorland, Escheator of Cumberland & Westmorland 1406-1464
Son of John Parr
Mabel Parr 1441-1508
Daughter of (Sir) Thomas Parr Sheriff of Westmorland, Escheator of Cumberland & Westmorland
Thomas Dacre 2nd Lord of Gilsland 1467-1525
Son of Mabel Parr
(Lady) Mabel Dacre Baroness Scrope 1493-1533
Daughter of Thomas Dacre 2nd Lord of Gilsland
John Scrope 8th Lord of Bolton 1510-1549
Son of (Lady) Mabel Dacre Baroness Scrope
Margaret Scrope 1531-1631
Daughter of John Scrope 8th Lord of Bolton
Henry Constable 1551-1606
Son of Margaret Scrope
Catherine Constable 1576-1627
Daughter of Henry Constable
Mary Fairfax 1600-1636
Daughter of Catherine Constable
Catherine Layton 1618-1686
Daughter of Mary Fairfax
Layton (Laton) Eden Vicar of Hartburn 1645-1735
Son of Catherine Layton
Jane Eden 1710-1798
Daughter of Layton (Laton) Eden Vicar of Hartburn
Margaret Harle 1734-1818
Daughter of Jane Eden
George Eden Meggison 1756-1815
Son of Margaret Harle
Thomas Meggison 1803-1883
Son of George Eden Meggison
Thomas Cuthbert Meggison 1847-1924
Son of Thomas Meggison
Thomas Bernard Meggison 1877-1965
Son of Thomas Cuthbert Meggison
Ernest Joseph Meggison 1914-1995
Son of Thomas Bernard Meggison
Thomas Frederick Meggison 1944-
Son of Ernest Joseph Meggison
Michael Thomas Meggison

[wjhonson]

What is your source for the year of death of Elizabeth of Ros, Heiress of Kendall being in 1424?

[wjhonson]

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:42:58 AM UTC-8, wjhonson wrote:
> What is your source for the year of death of Elizabeth of Ros, Heiress of Kendall being in 1424?

Review this chart

https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00139299&tree=LEO

[Michael Rochester]

I used wikitree because unlike ancestry and familysearch, there is an attempt to document people there, albeit it is scanty and sometimes non existent in places

[Michael Rochester]

On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 11:45:07 AM UTC-5, wjhonson wrote:

I basically have the same information as the chart, with a couple of dubious extensions.

[wjhonson]

wikitree does not have a good facility for actually documenting facts *in-line* which is what you need for such a specific fact

[lancast...@gmail.com]

In theory it does. It uses the same wiki mark-up as Wikipedia (without the specialized templates that have evolved there). As you would know, a basic footnote is easy to make using "ref".

The thing with Wikitree is that despite the fact that it could be much better, there are at least bits and pieces which someone has bothered to fix-up. I'm sure you'd agree that you should hardly ever say "I won't look at it". Even a geni profile can be worth looking at.

So Wikitree remains a logical place to post properly sourced information even if 90% of the wiki never gets better, because at least that part will be useful for communication and discussion. People won't normally delete good material there. The bias is in the other direction. (Can be difficult to delete garbage.)

One reason to post your information there, instead of on a private tree somewhere, is that Wikitree is on the main recycling loop of online genealogy. All the websites copy from each other, but on Wikitree now all pre-1500 profiles are only allowed to be edited by a smaller group of people. It means good new work can spread further, but bad stuff out in the internet can not flow into wikitree easily anymore. (It did in the past, and it will take a long time for that not to be obvious.)

So errors are tending to disappear from geni profiles and the like, replaced by copy pastes from better parts of Wikitree, which people have bothered to work on. Errors from geni and the like are not flowing into Wikitree anymore, at least in pre-1500.

I have nothing against genealogics of course, but it is less known, and for many of the families I am interested in it is not possible to call it well-sourced. There are also no discussions on it about genealogical dilemmas. To me the Henry II project format shows the way a wiki can be set-up for medieval genealogy: each person a profile; discussion space for all the doubts and hypotheses.

[Douglas Richardson]

On Monday, February 8, 2021 at 3:05:39 PM UTC-7, kingofr...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am working on my deRos of Wark Castle line, and something does not line up right with the lineage of Miss Preston, wife of Thomas de Roos, who was likely born in early 1300s, wife of Sir John de Preston, Judge of the Court of Common Pleaswho supposedly retired in 1427 and died from some estimates in 1434. This is supported by Douglas Richardson and Burkes:
>
> Burke's Commoners, Vol. I, p. 478; Wallop Family, p. 642.
> Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 297.
> Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 303.

Burke, Gen. & Heraldic Hist. of the Extinct & Dormant Baronetcies (1844): 424–428 (sub Preston) places the unnamed wife of Sir Thomas de Ros [died 1390], of Kirkby-in-Kendal, Westmorland, as the daughter of Sir John de Preston [died 1434], Justice of the Common Pleas. However, this is clearly a chronological impossibility. Richardson does not in any way support Burke.

I've copied below my current file account of Sir Thomas de Roos and his alleged wife, ____ de Preston.

I know of no primary sources which support a marriage between Sir Thomas de Roos and _____, daughter of Sir John de Preston. Several secondary sources, however, do give this marriage for Sir Thomas de Roos. They make no attempt to identify Sir John de Preston beyond two of them saying that he is "of Westmorland."

The earliest secondary source I've found to date regarding this marriage is Nicolas who published in 1832. He states Sir Thomas de Roos married a "daughter of Sir John Preston, of Westmorland." He cites as his source Vincent MSS. no 10, f. 205, and 20. f. 230.

So there you have it. My impression of Vincent is that he is usually reliable. But he is not a primary source.

Douglas Richardson, Historian and Genealogist

+ + + + + + + + + + +

THOMAS DE ROOS, Knt., of Kirkby in Kendal and Helsington, Westmorland, Cargo (in Stanwix), Cumberland, Yealand Conyers, Lancashire, etc., Justice of the Peace for Westmorland, commissioner of array for Westmorland, 1378–9, son and heir, born about 1306/7 (aged 3 in 1310, proved his age 8 March 1328, aged 80 in 1386). He married _____ DE PRESTON, daughter of John de Preston, Knt., of Westmorland. They had five sons, John, Knt., Richard (living 1405), Peter, Esq. (living 1386), John, and Robert, and one daughter, Margaret. He proved his age and had seisin of his father’s lands 8 March 1328. In 1340 the Prior of Kirkham sued him in the Court of Common Pleas in a Northumberland plea regarding the theft of cattle. In 1342 he sued Richard de Preston, of Kendale, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding eight messuages and lands in Staynton, Cumberland, which he claimed as his right. In 1343 and 1344 he sued Thomas de Levenes in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a reasonable account of the time he was his bailiff at Helsington and Kirkby in Kendal, Westmorland, and his receiver of money. In 1349 he and his brother, Robert, were charged with trespass upon Ralph de Bethum, Knt., and another at Haverbrack in Kendale, Westmorland. In 1356 and 1357 he sued Thomas son and heir of Marmaduke de Thweng in the Court of Common Pleas in a Westmorland plea regarding the detention of three charters. In 1360 Thomas son of Marmaduke de Thweng sued him for entering his free chase at Strickland Ketel (in Kendal) and Helsington, Westmorland, chasing and taking his deer. In 1363 he sued James de Pykeryng, Knt., in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a trespass [vi et armis] at Beetham, Westmorland. In 1365 Margaret de Lancastre granted her brother, Thomas de Roos, Knt., the manor of Strickland Ketel (in Kendal), Westmorland. He served in the wars in Scotland. He was present at the chivauche of Baliol and the Siege of Berwick, and also served in the military campaign after the affair of Stanhope Park. He attended various tournaments at Guildford, Newmarket, and Dunstable. About 1378 James de Pyckering petitioned the king stating that while he was at Westminster as one of the knights for Westmorland, Thomas de Roos, of Kendal, and his four sons, Richard, Peter, John, and Robert, with 300 armed men laid in wait for James’ men and tenants on the high road in the town of Helsington, Westmorland, and attacked them, killing two and wounding six. In 1386, then aged 80, Thomas testified at the Scrope and Grosvenor trial that he had then been in arms 60 years. In 1389 he sued Robert son of William Mulcastre in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of 20 marks. SIR THOMAS DE ROOS died 30 Nov. 1390.

References:

Nicolson & Burn, Hist. & Antiqs. of Westmorland & Cumberland 1 (1777): 40–46. Nicolas, Controversy between Scrope & Grosvenor 2 (1832): 234 (biog. of Peter Roos) (author identifies mother of Peter Roos as a “daugher of Sir John Preston of Westmoreland,” citing Vincent MS. no 20. f. 230), 333–335 (biog. of Thomas de Roos) (author identifies unnamed wife of Sir Thomas Roos as “a daughter of Sir John Preston of Westmoreland,” citing Vincent MSS. no 10, f. 205, and 20. f. 230.) (Roos arms: Or, three water bougets sable). Burke, Gen. & Heraldic Hist. of the Extinct & Dormant Baronetcies (1844): 424–428 (sub Preston) (author misplaces unnamed wife of Thomas de Ros, of Kendal Castle, as the daughter of Sir John de Preston [died 1434], Justice of the Common Pleas). Cat. MSS: Lib. of the Univ. of Cambridge 1 (1856): 124. Top. & Gen. 3 (1858): 352–360. C.P.R. 1377–1381 (1895): 39, 46, 359, 472, 515. Genealogist n.s. 12 (1895): 233–235 (Burgh ped.). C.C.R. 1327–1330 (1896): 264. Purey-Cust, Heraldry of York Minster 2 (1896): 280 (author states Sir Thomas de Roos “married a daughter of Sir John Preston.”). C.P.R. 1381–1385 (1897): 86, 253, 254, 503. Macdonald, Scottish Armorial Seals (1904): 290 (seal of Sir Thomas [de] Ros, of Kendale, dated 1365 — Couché. Three water budgets. Crest: On a helmet, a plume of feathers. Legend: THOMAE DE ROS.). C.C.R. 1349–1354 (1906): 62. C.P.R. 1354–1358 (1909): 130. C.P.R. 1367–1370 (1913): 198. Clay, Extinct & Dormant Peerages (1913): 181–185 (sub Ros) (author states Thomas de Roos married “… dau. of Sir John Preston, of Westmorland”). VCH Lancashire 8 (1914): 177–180. Yorkshire Arch. Jour. 24 (1917): 329 (author states Thomas de Roos, of Kendal, “married a daughter of Sir John Preston, and died about 1390-1.”). Hist. of Northumberland 11 (1922): 37–38 (Roos ped.). Farrer & Curwen, Recs. rel. the Barony of Kendale 1 (1923): 22–47, 276–299; 2 (1924): 211–238. C.F.R. 10 (1929): 351, 360. Paget Baronage of England (1957) 474: 2. Hedley, Northumberland Fams. 1 (1968): 224–231 (Ros ped.). Arnold, Select Cases of Trespass 1307–1399 1 (Selden Soc. 100) (1985): 111–113. Court of Common Pleas, CP40/323, image 186f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/E3/CP40no323/aCP40no323fronts/IMG_0186.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/330, image 371f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/E3/CP40no330/aCP40no330fronts/IMG_0371.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/334, image 428d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/E3/CP40no334/bCP40no334dorses/IMG_0428.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/339, image 7d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/E3/CP40no339/bCP40no339dorses/IMG_0007.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/380, image 7509f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E3/CP40no380/aCP40no380fronts/IMG_7509.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/386, image 2977f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/E3/CP40no386/aCP40no386fronts/IMG_2977.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/412, image 761d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/E3/CP40no412/bCP40no412dorses/IMG_0761.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/514, image 56 (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT6/R2/CP40no514/aCP40no514mm301-endfronts/IMG_0056.htm). Court of Common Pleas, CP40/515, image 328f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT6/R2/CP40no515/aCP40no515fronts/IMG_0328.htm). Recs. of the Duchy of Lancaster, DL 25/101/84 (seal of Thomas de Ros, of Kendal, dated 1365 —Shield of arms, couché: three water-bougets surmounted by a helm with mantling and crest, within a traceried outline of two crests on each side. Legend: THOMAS DE ROS.) (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk). Steen Clemmensen, Willement’s Roll of Arms (available at www.armorial.dk/english/WIL_PreEd.pdf) (arms of Sir Thomas de Roos: Or three water-bougets sable). National Archives, SC 8/67/3308 (available at http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk).

[Michael Rochester]

Thank you all and thank you Mr. Richardson!

Mike

[forbesdi...@gmail.com]

Descendants of Richard de Preston, IV knt.

1 Richard de Preston, IV Knt. b: Abt. 1251 in Preston Richard near Kendal d: Bef. 1315 in Preston Richard near Kendal
+Annabella [probably] Barton b: Abt. 1251

Declaration by Richard de Preston Dated 5th October 1312 Held at the Cambria County Record Office (Kendal) ref: WD/D/MD49
That Richard son of Richard de Preston keep intact and not alienate all his lands and rents in Preston Richard, Newby, Stainton and Great Strickland and those in Karghow, Cumberland. All to the use of son Richard and his heirs born on the body of Mabel daughter of Nicholas de Marisco; except for 40 shillings in rents which are to be given for life thus, 20 shillings to son Roger, 20 shillings to son John, all issuing from lands in Stainton, at their deaths to revert to son Richard. If Richard should alienate his lands he will be bound to pay Nicholas de Marisco £100 in silver to be paid within a year, following any such alienation. (5th October, 6 Edward II)

1277-1307 Grant by Roger de Barton to the same Richard [IV] and Amabill of a messuage and lands in various places (named) in Great Stirkeland [ib]. Source; [http://cybergata.com ] [FDP Note: Appears to be a Marriage gift from father of Amabill and makes her de Barton]

Information relating to document ref. no. WD D/MD 32 Declaration, by Margaret de Ros of Kendal that she is obliged to compensate Richard de Preston her esquire for losses sustained in her service with King in Scotland, in horses, equipment and money, to the sum of £11 to be paid him in Kendal, half on feast Source: Access to Archives (A2A): not kept at The National Archives

1315 Amabill late the wife of Richard de Preston [IV] made fine with the king by 40s. for pardon in acquiring from Margaret de Ros 40s. of rent in [Great] Stirklaund; Abbrev. R. Original, i, 214; Cal. Pat. R.1315, p. 302. (Farrer Records of Kentdale, Vol II, p 204)

2 John de Preston b: Abt. 1279 in Preston Richard near Kendal

INQUISITION made at Hedone, on Thursday the eve of St. Bartholomew, 30 Edw. (23 Aug., 1302), by Simon de Lunde, Peter Hildeyerde, John de Fittelinge, Henry de Wyueton, Thomas son of Simon, John de Preston, Nicholas Warde, Alan Oysilour, Nicholas de Thorn, William Levenith, Stephen Trippeocke, and Richard son of the parson of Holmeton. William Berchaude is an idiot ever since his birth, of unsound mind, and not competent for the management of his lands. Source: Record Series By Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Yorkshire Archaeological and Topographical Association; page 26.

1303; INQUISITION made at Hedon, on Saturday after St. James's day, 31 Edw. 1. (27 July, 1303), by Peter de Hildeyerde, John de Preston, Nicholas Ward, Alan Fuvghler, William Leuenith, Robent son of Alice of Lefle, Philip le Vavasourr, Michael le Aumener, Robert Ingram, Thomas de Preston, Robert Baudewyni (sic) and Nicholas Haukyn. John Passemek died on Thursday before the feast of the Conversion of St. Paul in the year above said .{24 Jan., 1302-3). Later it was noted that the deceased bought a plot of ground from Augustin de Preston, chaplin. Source: Record Series By Yorkshire Archaeological Society, Yorkshire Archaeological and Topographical Association; page 30.

1306; A2A database ref. record WD D/MD 38 "Date: 1306; [from Scope and Content] Witnesses: Dom. Nicholas de Leyburn kt., Master William de Lancastre, John de Wessington, John de Preston, John Collan, Thomas de Levenes, Roland de Patton, Simon de Guyp, John de Gueryg, Robert de Navesby clerk. Found in A2A database; Cumbria Record Office, Kendal: Wilson of Dallam Tower, Milnthorpe. Deeds relating to land at Le Houwys [Hawes]."

FDP Note: These records appear to indicate that Richard VI had a son John, probably a lawyer, who was nominally born ca 1279. Probable evidence of the previously unreported John whose unnamed daughter. B. ca 1300-1310. Married Thomas de Ros, ancestors of Catherine Parr.

3 Daughter de Preston b: Abt. 1308 LDS life 1310-1350
+Thomas de Ros, Knt, .b: Abt. 1307; in Kendal d: Abt. January 1389/90 [LDS life 1307-1391]

Source: Line 118 The Magna Carte Sureties1215 by Frederic Lewis Weis, 5th edition
“1. ROBERT de ROS (116-1); m. Isabel of Scotland.
2. ROBERT de ROS, of Wark on Tweed, Northumberland, seen 120617, Chief Justice of the King's Bench, 1234, Chief Justice of the Forests north of Trent, 1236, d. 1269; m. (2) Christian, dau. of Sir Roger Bertram and Ida. (CP XI, 119-121; Clay, 15).
3. ROBERT de ROS of Wark, a younger son, but made h. to father, d. sh. bef. 20 Apr. 1274; m. Margaret de Brus, dau. Peter II de Brus of Skelton, co. York, sister & cohr of Piers de Brus of Kendal, d. sh. bef. 30 Jan. 13061/7. She divided her estate (1/4 of her brother's, including the barony of Kendall) between her son William and her nephew Marmaduke de Thwenge.(CP XI, 120-121; Sanders,English Baronies,77, 149,56-7).
4. WILLIAM de ROS, of Kendal Castle, d. bef. 9 May 1310. (Clay, 185).”

[Line 3 above but 5 in line 118] SIR THOMAS de ROS, of Kendal, b. C. 1307, d. c. 1390/1; m. a dau. of Sir John Preston of Westmorland. (Clay, 157).

4 John de Ros b: Abt. 1331 d: 1358 in Kendal
+Katherine Latimer b: Abt. 1331
5 Elizabeth Ros b: 1356 in 1361ugc a range of 1345-1376; [LDS life 1356-1405]
+William Parr, Knt. b: Abt. 1361 d: October 04, 1405 in Kendal [LDS life 1356-1405]
6 John Parr b: Abt. 1383 in 1391ugc range 1376-1406; d: Bet. 1407 - 1408
+Agnes Crophull b: Abt. 1391 d: Abt. 1435 [LDS life 1385-1408]
7 Thomas Parr, Knt b: 1405 d: 1464
+Alice de Tunstall, of Thurland Castle b: Abt. 1391; [LDS life 1412-1464]
8 William Parr K.G., Knt. b: Abt. 1434 in Kendal d: Bef. February 26, 1483/84 [LDS life 1434-1483]
+ Elizabeth Fitz Hugh b: Abt. 1421 d: Bef. July 10, 1501 [LDS life 1440-1507]

Source: Line 118 The Magna Carte Sureties1215 by Frederic Lewis Weis, 5th edition
“6. JOHN de ROS, of Kendal, d. 1358; m. Katherine, dau. of Sir Thomas Latimer. (Generations 5 to 10: Clay, 157).
7. ELIZABETH ROS, b. 1356; m. 1383, Sir William Parr, Knt., d. 4 Oct. 1405, of Parr and Kendal.
8. JOHN PARR, of Kendal, b. c. 1383, d. bef. 1407/8; m. Agnes, d. c. 1435/6, dau. of Sir Thomas Crophull. (Gens. 1-9: Sheppard, op. cit.).
9. SIR THOMAS PARR, KNT., of Kendal, sheriff of Westmorland, 1461-1475; attainted; m. Alice, dau. of Sir Thomas Tunstall of Thurland
Castle.
10. SIR WILLIAM PARR, K.G., of Kendal, b. c. 1434, d. sh. bef. 26 Feb. 1483/4, M.P.; m. (2) ELIZABETH FITZ HUGH (94-12); she m. (2)
Nicholas Vaux of Harrowden.”

The narrative below came from Dictionary of national biography - Volume 15 - Page 366books.google.com › books Sir Leslie Stephen, Sir Sidney Lee - 1909 page 366

PARR, Sir WILLIAM (1434-1483), courtier and soldier, born in 1434, was eldest son of Sir Thomas Parr( 1405—1461), by Alice, daughter of Sir Thomas Tunstall of Thurland, Lancashire. The family of Parr was long settled at Parr in Lancashire. Sir William’s great-grandfather Sir William de Parre (d.1405), son of Sir john de Parre, lord of Parr, married, in 1383, Elizabeth, daughter of John de Ros, and granddaughter and heiress of Sir Thomas de Ros, baron of Kendal; he thus acquired Kendal Castle in right of his wife, and one-fourth part of the barony of Kendal,
which continued in the family till after the death of William Parr, marquis of Northampton (q. v. l, when the marquis's widow surrendered it to Queen Elizabeth. It was known as' The Marquis Fee.' At Kendal this branch of the family resided.

Sir Thomas Parr, the courtier's father, was sub-vice comes for Westmoreland from 1428 to 1437, and was sheriff from 1461 to 1475. He was assaulted in going to parliament in 1446, the case being in parliament (Rolla of Part. v. 168), end took an active part in the wars of the Roses on the Yorkist side; he was attainted in 1459, with the other leading Yorkists (ib. v. 348-50).' Doubtless his attainder was reversed in 1461, as he died in 1464. He left three sons and six daughters; the daughters all married members of promiment northern families. Of the sons, the second, Sir John Parr, also a Yorkist, was rewarded by being made sheriff of Westmoreland for life in 1402; he married a daughter of Sir John Yonge, lord mayor of London, and must have lived until after 1473, as in that year he was one of those exempted from the resumption act (J. vi- 81). The third
son, Thomas was killed at Barnet in 1471.

William Parr, the eldest son, was born in 1434; he was made a knight of the Garter by Edward IV. He was exempted from the resumption act of 1464 (ib. v.527). He was on the side of the Nevtlles at Banbury in 1469, was sent by Clarence and Warwick to Edward in Marefi 1470, just before the battle of Lose-Coat-Fields, and was entrusted by Edward with his answer. When Edward returned from exile in 1471 Parr met him at
Nottingham, and was rewarded with the comptrollership of the household, which he held till Edward's death. He swore to recognize Edward, prince of Wales, as heir to the throne in 1472 (ib. vi. '234), and was exempted frorn the resumption act of 1473 (ib. vi- 81). Parr sat as knight of the shire for Westmoreland in 1467 and 1473, and was sheriff of Cumberland from 1473 to 1483. He was sent to Scotland to arrange about the
breaches of the truce probably In 1479. He was exempted from the act of apparel in 1482, was chief commissioner for exercising the office of constable of England in 1443, and took part in the funeral of Edward IV. It seems probable that he died about this time (cf. Beltz, "Memorial' ref the Garter, pp. '210, Ixxii, alxvii), and that the William Parr present at the meeting of Henry VIl and the Archduke Philip at Windsor, in 1506,
was his second son.

Sir William Parr married, first, Joan Trusbut (d. 1473), widow of Thomas Colt of Roydon, Essex; her issue, if any, did not survive Parr. Secondly, Elizabeth, daughter of Henry, lord Fitz Hugh, who survived him and remarried Nicholas, Lord Vaux of Harrowden; by her Parr left a daughter Anne, who married Sir Thomas Cheney of Irthlingborough, Northamptonshire, and three sons.

The eldest son, Sir Thomas Parr, was knighted and was sheriff of Northampton shire in 1509; he was master of the wards and comptroller to Henry VIll. He was rich, owing to his succeeding, in 1512, to half the of his cousin, Lord Fitz-Hugb, and also to his marriage with Maud, daughter and coheirees of Sir Thomas Green of Bough ton and Greens Norton in Northamptonshire. He died on 12 Nov. 1518, and was buried in
Blackfriars Church, London. His widow died on 1 Sept. 1532, and was buried beside him. Of their children, William Parr (after wards Marquis of Northampton), and Catherine, queen of Henry VIll, are separately noticed; while another daughter, Anne, married William Herbert, first of Pembroke of the second creation (q. v.)


9 Thomas Parr b: Abt. 1481 d: November 12, 1518 in was buried in Blackfriars Church, London. LDS life 1486-1517
+Maud Green b: Abt. 1481 d: September 01, 1532 in was buried in Blackfriars Church, London beside him LDS life 1490-1531
10 Catherine Parr, Queen of England b: 1512 in 1511ugc range of 1496-1526; d: September 05, 1548
+Henry VIII, King of England 1510-1547 LDS life 1491-1546

Cheers,
Forbes Dix Preston

[Douglas Richardson]

You're quite welcome Mike.

DR

[Michael Rochester]

Wow...great information..thank you also, Mr Preston!

[wjhonson]

~1329, Thomas married 1st d/o Sir John Preston of Westmorland. (S) De Controversia in Curia Militari Inter Ricardum Le Scrope, V2, 1832, P334.

[Michael Rochester]

Appreciate ALL your assistance, WJhonson!

Mike