Ferrers-Chaundos-Annesley
Ronny Bodine
available sources for the moment. Any comments for or against are
greatly appreciated, particularly as they apply to no. 2 and the manor
of Radbourne's descent.
1. WILLIAM de FERRERS. 3rd Earl of Derby. Died 1190.
2. ROBERT de FERRERS, of Radbourne and Eggington, Derbyshire. Died
1225. Fought in Ireland 1210 and in Poitou 1214. He adhered to King
John against the rebel Barons for which he was suitable rewarded.
(DUG, 1: 258; OGHBE: 205 which says he had no issue by his wife Joan
and names no other wives or any children, yet DUG calls Margery his
daughter and heiress to the manor of Radborne.)
Married about 15 Apr 1216- JOAN de BOCLAND. She remarried and
died shortly before 16 Nov 1252. Coheiress of her father and of her
sister Hawise. OGHBE: 71)
3. MARGERY de FERRERS. Coheiress of her father, bringing to her
husband the manor of Radborne.
Married- Sir JOHN de CHAUNDOS, of Radborne, Derbyshire. (BEP:
111)
4. Sir HENRY de CHAUNDOS, of Radborne. Living 1280. (BEP: 111; KTE,
2: 198)
Married- ELEANOR.
5. Sir JOHN de CHAUNDOS, of Radborne. Living 22 Mar 1308, but dead
18 Jan 1313. Knighted with Edward, Prince of Wales, at Westminster 22
May 1306, in preparation for an expedition into Scotland. His lands
in Nottinghamshire were confiscated Oct 1306 for deserting from the
King's army in Scotland before the close of the war. He took part in
the tournament at Dunstable in 1308. (BEP: 111; DH: 45; KTE, 2:
198-9)
Married- ELIZABETH BRAYLESFORD, daughter of Sir Henry
Braylesford, of whose ancestry nothing further is known.
6. Sir EDWARD de CHAUNDOS, of Radborne. He took part in the second
tournament at Dunstable in 1334. (BEP: 111; DH: 45; DNB, 4: 43)
Married- ISABEL TWYFORD, daughter of Sir John Twyford (per BEP)
or Sir Robert Twyford (per DNB) of whose ancestry nothing further is
known.
7. MARGARET de CHAUNDOS. Sister and coheiress in her issue of Sir
John de Chaundos, K.G., of Radborne, who lost his life in battle in
1370. Being deceased at the death of her brother, her daughter
Isabella and Isabella's husband, Sir John Annesley, inherited the
castle of Saint Sauveur, in the Coutantin, France. (BEP: 111; DNB, 4:
44; DUG, 1: 503)
Married- ROBERT de IRELAND.
8. ISABELLA de IRELAND. Coheiress in 1369 of her maternal uncle, Sir
John Chaundos.
Married- Sir JOHN de ANNESLEY, of Annesley, Nottinghamshire and
Hedynton, Oxfordshire. Living 1388. Knight of the Shire for
Nottingham 1376/7, 1384-8. He is called a knight in 1377. (BEP: 111;
HNO, 1: 503; RMP: 196, 198, 200, 202, 223, 226, 229, 232, 235; TBGAS,
14: 104)
9. THOMAS de ANNESLEY, of Annesley, Nottinghamshire. Living 1413.
Knight of the Shire for Nottingham, 1383-4. (HNO, 1: 503; RMP: 218,
221; TBGAS, 14: 104)
Married- AGNES CLIFTON, daughter of Robert Clifton, of
Nottingham.
CITED REFERENCES
BEP Burke, John. A Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant,
Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire, New Edition,
1883.
DH Foster, Joseph. The Dictionary of Heraldry.
DNB Dictionary of National Biography. 22 vols. Reprint, 1949-50.
DUG Dugdale, Sir William. The Baronage of England, 2 vols. 1675-6.
HNO Baker, George. The History and Antiquities of the County of
Northampton. 2 vols. 1822-41.
KTE Moor, Charles. Knights of Edward I. 5 vols. 1931.
OGHBE Paget, Gerald. An Official Genealogical and Heraldic Baronage
of England. 3 vols. About 1957.
RMP Returns of the Members of Parliament. Part I: Parliaments of
England 1213-1702. 1878.
TBGAS Transactions of the Bristol and Gloucester Archaeological
Society. From 1876-.
Many thanks,
Ronny Bodine
Rosie Bevan
I may be able to help with some information on this line. Cox (Derbyshire
Churches, v.3, p. 211; v.4 p.183 ) narrates the descent of the manor and
advowson of Eggington and Radbourne showing that Robert de Ferrers attained
the manors of Eggington, Radborne, and Muggington by marriage to Margaret de
Grendon
1.Ralph Fitz Geremund
2.?
3.William de Grendon=Ermentrude
4.Margaret=Robert Walkelin (Ferrers)
5.Margaret=Sir John Chandos
5.Ermintrude=Sir William Stafford
Cox says v. 4 p.184 "In that year (1253) a composition was entered into
between Sir John Chandos and his wife Margaret and Sir William Stafford and
his wife Ermentrude, respecting the right to the patronage of the churches
of Radbourn and Eggington, by which it was agreed that Chandos should take
the former and Stafford the latter. ." That of Muggington was divided
between them.
Cox outlines the Chandos descent of Muggington and Radbourne (v.4 p212)
which agrees with what you have.
1.Sir John Chandos=Margaret da and h of Robert Walkelin
2.Sir Henry Chandos
3. Sir John Chandos=Elizabeth da. and h of Sir Henry Brailsford
4.Sir Edward Chandos=Elizabeth da. and h of Sir Robert Twyford
5.Sir John Chandos d.unm.1370 s.p.
5.Elizabeth d. unm 1398
5.Eleanor=Sir John Laughton (secondly Roger Colyng)
6.Elizabeth=c.1386 Peter de la Pole of Newborough,
Staffs.
5.Margaret d. aft 1391=Robert de Ireland (Cox) OR Sir
Richard Dammory (HoP v.2 , p.38)
6.Isabel=Sir John Annesley
Cox claims that the name of Margaret's husband, Robert de Ireland was found
in the Lichfield Episcopal Registers. HoP assumes that Dammory was
Margaret's husband's name because Sir Richard Dammory was granted the manor
of Headington for life by Sir John Chandos, with remainder to his own right
heirs, who are stated to be Chandos's sisters as mentioned. (Source IPM 49
Edw IV Sir Richard Dammory )
However, after the death of Isabel Annesley, it is said (by Dugdale) that
her share of the Chandos inheritance (a share of the manor of Headington,
the whole of the manor of Bucknell and a claim to a share in the barony of
St Sauveur-le-Vicomte in Normandy which Edward III had formerly granted Sir
John de Chandos [Calendar of Fine Rolls, 1369-77, p.349] ) [ HoP, v.2, p 39]
reverted to the Poles, but there is no evidence of this happening. The
Annesleys continued their claim on the Headington property which consisted
of "M de Hedington cum pertin' et hund' de Bolyndon et Northgate cum pertin'
in co. Oxon." (H&G v.3 p. 282) after it had reverted to the Crown, for in
1399 the King (Richard II) granted to "Wm Willicotes the manor of Headington
and the said hundreds in fee farm for 20 l yearly rent, which premises were
formerly [held by] Sir John Chandos, and now forfeited to the king for
defect of payment of the reserved rent" and in 1415 3 Hen V "Thomas
Wilcotes, son and heir of William Wilcotes, who holds the manor of
Hedingdon, &c accounts to the king in Michaelmas term for the reliefs of
Eliz Chaundos, Roger Colyng and Alianore his wife, John Annesley and Eliz
his wife, for the manor and hundreds aforesaid, due upon the kings pardon to
them" [H & G, v.3 p.282]. Reading between the lines it appears that the
Chandos descendants had lost favour under Richard II and as supporters of
Henry Bolingbroke regained it again. Unfortunately the St Sauveur property
had been lost when the French retook it. All in all, the tracking of
Isabel's inheritance has been obscured by other events.
However the descent of Radbourne Manor very definitely stops with the Poles.
Also Thomas Annesley does appear as son of John Annesley, according to
Thoroton's pedigree of the Chaworth family in Thoroton's Nottinghamshire v.1
p.198. A pedigree from the Chaworth Musters papers in Nottingham University
by the College of Arms also shows the same descent.
The Annesley family assumed the quarterings of Chandos - Or a pile gules,
and continued to assert their descent from the Chandos family.
Hope this has been useful to you.
Cheers
Rosie
A Channing
> Can anyone validate the following lineage? I have exhausted my
> available sources for the moment. Any comments for or against are
> greatly appreciated, particularly as they apply to no. 2 and the manor
> of Radbourne's descent.
>
> 1. WILLIAM de FERRERS. 3rd Earl of Derby. Died 1190.
>
> 2. ROBERT de FERRERS, of Radbourne and Eggington, Derbyshire. Died
> 1225. Fought in Ireland 1210 and in Poitou 1214. He adhered to King
> John against the rebel Barons for which he was suitable rewarded.
> (DUG, 1: 258; OGHBE: 205 which says he had no issue by his wife Joan
> and names no other wives or any children, yet DUG calls Margery his
> daughter and heiress to the manor of Radborne.)
> Married about 15 Apr 1216- JOAN de BOCLAND. She remarried and
> died shortly before 16 Nov 1252. Coheiress of her father and of her
> sister Hawise. OGHBE: 71)
>
<snip>
I wonder if this Hawise was, or related to, the Hawise Bocland who m
William de Lanvaley (-1204) Baron of Walkern, Herts and daughter of Hugh
Bocland, although it looks as though this Hawise was a generation earlier.
See Alan B. Wilson's message dated 22 Sep 1998 and titled "Lanvallei +
Beauchamp + Mowbray"
Adrian
Robert O'Connor
> From: "Ronny Bodine" <rbodi...@aol.com>
> To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:13 AM
> Subject: Ferrers-Chaundos-Annesley
> > 8. ISABELLA de IRELAND. Coheiress in 1369 of her maternal uncle, Sir
> > John Chaundos.
> > Married- Sir JOHN de ANNESLEY, of Annesley, Nottinghamshire and
> > Hedynton, Oxfordshire. Living 1388. Knight of the Shire for
> > Nottingham 1376/7, 1384-8. He is called a knight in 1377. (BEP: 111;
> > HNO, 1: 503; RMP: 196, 198, 200, 202, 223, 226, 229, 232, 235; TBGAS,
> > 14: 104)
> >
> > 9. THOMAS de ANNESLEY, of Annesley, Nottinghamshire. Living 1413.
> > Knight of the Shire for Nottingham, 1383-4. (HNO, 1: 503; RMP: 218,
> > 221; TBGAS, 14: 104)
> > Married- AGNES CLIFTON, daughter of Robert Clifton, of
> > Nottingham.
Where do you place the following in the Annesley pedigree (son or brother of
Thomas??):
Sir HUGH ANNESLEY, Kt., of Ruddington, Co. Notts., M Benedicta, d. of John
Babington, of East Bridgeford, Co. Notts. & his wife Benedicta, d. of Simon
Ward, of Cambridge (See BABINGTON). His estates were the subject of a
commission of inquiry, of which Sir Hugh Shirley, Kt. d 1403, was
commissioner, June 1403. He accompanied Richard, Lord Grey, of Codnor on
the 1417 expedition to France. Died 13 Sept. 1429. He had issue:
Payling, pp 139 & 247; HoP 1386-1421, II, p 364; BN, I, p 503
Ronny Bodine
about the Lichfield Episcopal Registers and went looking for them
right away. Here's what I found, along with some other details.
Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls cite a plea of 22 Edward 1 [1293/4]
wherein John, son of Henry de Chandos, sued Joan, formerly wife of
Richard de Harcourt for land in Eginton, Derbyshire. The pedigree
presented in this plea runs-
1. Robert fitz Walkeline.
2. Margaret = John de Chandos
3. Henry [de Chandos]
4. John de Chandos, the plaintiff.
Robert fitz Walkeline of course refers to Robert de Ferrers and this
plea then validates the lineage in my original posting for Generations
2 to 5. Additional details for the next generations are-
5. Sir John de Chaundos. His wife, Elizabeth Braylesford, was
presumably the daughter of that Sir Henry de Braylesford, of
Braylesford and Oneston, Derbyshire who served as Knight of the Shire
for Derby in 1298 and held many commission appointments. The
relationship remains to be proven.
6. Sir Edward de Chaundos. Feudal Aids, 1: 259 notes that Radbourne
was held by his son, John, in 1346, implying that Sir Edward died
between 1334 when he attended the Dunstable Tournament and 1346.
The Litchfield Episcopal Registers for Bishop Robert de Stretton
1358-1385 were published in the Staffordshire Record Society
Publications [formerly the William Salt Archaeological Society], Third
Series, vol. 10, part 2 [1907].
p. 6. 1358. Isabell de Chaundois presented to the church of
Mogynton.
p. 91. 12 Oct 1374. "Presentation of Sir John de Annesley, Kt.,
patron for this turn in right of the lady Isabella his wife, daughter
and heir of the lady Margaret (sometime wife of Robert de Irlont), and
elder sister of Sir John Chaundos, Kt."
p. 102. 27 Mar 1383. Presentation of Sir John de Annesley, Kt., and
Isabella his wife, patrons for this turn.
A Robert de Irlond was holding Yldresleie, Derbyshire in 1346 (Feudal
Aids, 1: 258).
I have ordered the Derbyshire Feet of Fines 1196-1369 which have peen
published in Derbyshire Archaeological and Natural History Society
Journals, vols. 7-15, 17 and 18. Perhaps, additional details will
turn up there.
Ronny Bodine
Ronny Bodine
vol. 14 [1889-90], p. 101-4 in an article entitled, "Royal and
Baronial Descents of the Families of Annesley, Cotton, Booth, Tondale
and Others" shows Sir Hugh Annesley, of Annesley [died 13 Sept 1401,
married to the unnamed daughter of Sir John Babington, Kt., of
Chilwell, co. Derby] as the son of Thomas Annesley, of Annesley and
his wife Agnes, daughter of Robert Clifton, of co. Notts.
George Baker in his The History and Antiquities of the County of
Northampton [2 vols, 1822-41], 1: 503, repeats the above relationship
and adds Isabella, wife of Edmund Willoughby, as a daughter of Sir
Hugh Annesley and his Babington wife. This marriage also appears in
the Visitation of Nottinghamshire, 1565 and 1614 (Harleian Society
Pubs, vol. 4, 1871), p. 146.
Ronny Bodine
Sutliff
As I posted a few months back, Joan Annesley (d. 29 Nov 1476), wife of
John Iwardby of Great Purley, Berks was supposedly a daughter of one
of the Hugh Annesleys. If the information that I have is correct that
John Iwardby's grandfather Bernard Missenden was born in or near 1386,
it is probable Joan was born near 1420 or later. There seem to be a
lot of Annesley loose ends.
Hap
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosie Bevan" <cbe...@xtra.co.nz>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Annesley
>
> This is a question which many people have been asking because of the
> Annesley/Willoughby connection.
>
> I believe Thoroton's pedigree of the Annesley family to be correct,
which
> shows (the dates added are mine).
>
> 1.Sir John I (granted free warren of lands in Annesley and Rawmarsh
in 1285)
> d.1316 =Annora Pierpont d.1336
> 2.Sir John II d.1357
> 3.Sir John III d. 1410
> 4.Thomas I d.1416(=Agnes Clifton)
> 5.Thomas II d.v.p.
> 6.John IV d.1437
> 7.Alicia=George Chaworth d.1466
>
> The Rodington Hugh Annesleys were clearly a cadet branch and an IPM
of Sir
> Hugh Annesley d.23 Sept. 1401 indicates this :-
>
> Hugh de Annesley Knight
> Commission to Hugh de Shirley, Thomas Frisby, John Curson, Peter de
la Pole
> and the escheator to enquire what he held in Nottinghamshire. 3 June
1403
> [CPR 1401-5, p.278]
> NOTTINGHAM. Inquisition before Thomas Frysby, John Curson and the
escheator.
> Kingston upon Soar. 16 June.
> He held one messuage and 3 1/2 bovates in Ruddington, which were
once of
> Roger Perpointe, and "Magotdoghterland" in his demesne as of fee of
the king
> in chief of the castle of Castle Donington, parcel of the duchy of
> Lancaster, by knight service, annual value 13s 4d.
> He died on 23 Sept 1401. Hugh de Annesley his son and heir is aged 8
years.
> John de Cyfton clerk, has held since he died, title unknown. What
lands he
> held of others is likewise unknown.
>
> I would hazard the guess that this Sir Hugh d.1401 is father of Sir
Hugh
> Annesley d.1429. If he is, that gives the latter the dates of
1395-1429.
>
> Hugh d 1401 appears to be son of another Hugh as indicated by the
following
> PRO document dated 1398.
> E 329/129
> Hugh son and heir of Hugh de Annesley to William Weylond, an
executor of
> Robert Smyth: Grant, indented, of the marriage of John Smyth, son
and heir
> of the said Robert, and the wardship of his lands in Ruddington
(Rodyngton)
> which are held by knight-service of the said Hugh's manor called
> 'Pavelymanour'.
> 22 Ric.II
>
> We seem to have a succession of 4 Hughs in Rodington
>
> Hugh Annesley
> Sir Hugh Annesley d.1401
> Sir Hugh Annesley d 1429
> Sir Hugh Annesley b.1421
>
>
> We know that Hugh I is not likely to be son of Annora Pierpont and
Sir John
> Annesley d.1316 - he is not mentioned in the foundation charter for
a
> chantry in the church at Annesley. [See my message of 23 July]. This
narrows
> him down to be son of either Sir John d. 1357 or Sir John d.1410.
>
> There is also the added problem that if Isabel was married before 23
Nov
> 1370 to Edmund Willoughby, she could not possibly have been
daughter of Sir
> Hugh d.1429. If this was her first marriage she would have been born
about
> 1355 which means that her father, who was probably Hugh I, must have
been
> born before 1340. Chronologically, I would place Hugh I as son of
Sir John
> d.1357.
>
> Cheers
>
> Rosie
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert O'Connor" <rjuoc...@btinternet.com>
> To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 6:27 AM
> Subject: Annesley
>
>
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ronny Bodine" <rbodi...@aol.com>
> > > To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:13 AM
> > > Subject: Ferrers-Chaundos-Annesley
> >
> >
> > > > 8. ISABELLA de IRELAND. Coheiress in 1369 of her maternal
uncle, Sir
> > > > John Chaundos.
> > > > Married- Sir JOHN de ANNESLEY, of Annesley,
Nottinghamshire and
> > > > Hedynton, Oxfordshire. Living 1388. Knight of the Shire for
> > > > Nottingham 1376/7, 1384-8. He is called a knight in 1377.
(BEP: 111;
> > > > HNO, 1: 503; RMP: 196, 198, 200, 202, 223, 226, 229, 232, 235;
TBGAS,
> > > > 14: 104)
> > > >
> > > > 9. THOMAS de ANNESLEY, of Annesley, Nottinghamshire. Living
1413.
> > > > Knight of the Shire for Nottingham, 1383-4. (HNO, 1: 503;
RMP: 218,
> > > > 221; TBGAS, 14: 104)
> > > > Married- AGNES CLIFTON, daughter of Robert Clifton, of
> > > > Nottingham.
> >
Rosie Bevan
not hold Annesley at all, apart from which Sir John Annesley was still
living and holding the Annesley estates. Sir John Babington's dates are
1350-1409 and so Benedicta is likely to be wife of this Sir Hugh d.1401.
The PRO document I cited seems to cast doubt that Thomas Annesley was father
of Hugh.
Cheers
Rosie
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From: "Ronny Bodine" <rbodi...@aol.com>
To: <GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Clagett, Brice
married Sir John Chandos, was a son of William de Ferrers, 3d Earl
of Derby. I think Robert's father was Walchelin de Ferrers,
brother of the 3d Earl. See, e.g., Dugdale's Baronage 1:258.
Robert O'Connor
I note Rosie's comment that Isabel Annesley & Edmund Willoughby were married
"before 23 November 1370".
My records show their child Sir Hugh Willoughby being born circa 1393 - that
is 23 years after the marriage of his parents?
I think that there are real chronological problems with the line:
Thomas Annesley d 1416 M Agnes Clifton
/
Sir Hugh Annesley d 1401 = Babington
/
Isabel Annesley M Edmund Willoughby.
/
Sir Hugh Willoughby b c. 1393
It appears that Agnes Clifton's parents were married in 1361. If that date
is correct the above line is impossible, even more so if Isabel was married
to Edmund Willoughby before 1370.
It is tempting to follow the line shown by Baker and the Bristol & the
Gloucs Arch Soc quoted by Ronny Bodine, but it is clearly refutable.
Depending on whether the 1370 date for Isabel's marriage is correct or not I
think that Isabel was a daughter of Hugh I, or his son Sir Hugh d 1401. The
birthdate of Sir Hugh d 1429 in 1395 would suggest that it was Hugh I.
Robert O'Connor
Ronny Bodine
Brice-
Let's compare Dugdale (vol. 1, p. 248) and Paget (# 205). Both agree
for the first three generations, Henry-Robert-Robert. Paget and CP
show Robert, 2nd Earl married to Margaret Peverell. Dugdale omits a
wife for Robert, but assigns Margaret Peverell to his son William,
whereas Paget and CP correctly show William married to Sybil de Braose
whom Dugdale places as the wife of William's son Robert.
Dugdale names the children of William (3rd Earl): Robert,
Walchelinus, William and Hugo.
Paget names them: William, 4th Earl, Robert (d. 1225) and Thomas, who
witnessed a charter of his brother Earl William c1200. No Hugh or
Hugo comes into the picture until Hugh, son of William, 4th Earl,
which Hugh was dead c1257.
In light of the confusion in Dugdale's early account I tend to
gravitate towards Paget unless other evidence swings it back. If
anyone can cite evidence otherwise, please do so.
Ronny Bodine
Rosie Bevan
Robert fil Walkelin attested a number of charters relating to William, 4th
Earl of Ferrers. For one charter I have come across the witnesses included
all three following individuals.
Roberto Ferers fratre comitis
Roberto et Henrico de Ferers avunculis comitis
Roberto fil Walchelini [Jeayes. Derbyshire Charters, n. 239 p.32]
Robert fil Walkelin had two brothers Henry and Peter who also attested
charters with him.[Jeayes, no.1113, p.137]
His name indicates that Robert was not son of William. His name suggests he
was son of Walkelin.
CP, Iv, p.191 note (c) mentions a Walkelin, great nephew of Earl Robert.
This would put Wakelin in the same generation as
William 3rd Earl and Robert fil Wakelin as the same generation as the
William 4th Earl, of which the evidence agrees.
What CP says of Wakelin is that he was son of Henry de Ferrieres who
inherited the lands in Normandy from his father, Engenulf or William,
brother of Robert, 1st earl. Henry was living in 1136, held Oakham, Rutland
and Lechlade, Gloucs.and is known to have had two sons named Henry, Seigneur
of Chambrais and Hugh d.s.p.and a daughter Isabel who married 1.Roger de
Mortemer of Wigmore d. 1214 and 2. Piers Fitz Herbert of Blaen Llyfni
d.1235. Unfortunately, there is no mention of Robert.
There is a possibility that the Peter who attested a charter with him was in
fact his brother in law, as often no such differentiation was made about
such relationships.
This does not seem to bring us much further to a conclusion, but I thought I
would just throw it in.
Cheers
Rosie
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Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Ferrers-Chaundos-Annesley
> bcla...@cov.com (Clagett, Brice) wrote in message
news:<37AD3220C826D4118E1200D0B75E4CCA01141106@CBIEXM02WA>...
Rosie Bevan
What I should have said
What CP says of Wakelin is that he was son of Henry de Ferrieres who
inherited the lands in Normandy from his father, Engenulf or William,
brother of Robert, 1st earl. Henry was living in 1136, held Oakham, Rutland
and Lechlade, Gloucs. He is father of Wakelin who is known to have had two
sons named Henry, Seigneur of Chambrais and Hugh d.s.p.and a daughter Isabel
who married 1.Roger de Mortemer of Wigmore d. 1214 and 2. Piers Fitz Herbert
of Blaen Llyfni
d.1235. Unfortunately, there is no mention of Robert.
(Damned fine print in CP!)
Cheers
p.sutton
could assist us in identifying the father of Isabel Annesley.
Based largely on the paper "The Careers of Sir Richard II de Willoughby and
Sir Richard III de Willoughby, Chief Justice of King's Bench (1338-1340) and
the rise of the Willoughbys of Nottinghamshire" by Michael Bloom I would put
forward the following.
Sir Richard III de Willoughby's wife Isabel de Morteyn died in 1332 and Sir
Richard married Joan de Charron in 1333 (Bloom p. 102). The exact date of
the marriage is not known, but it had certainly taken place by 11 November
1333 when the couple demised property at Stickley, Northumberland for twenty
years, to one Nicholas Whitheved of Soyghalle (Brit. Lib. Charter Harley
58B5).
Joan died in 1342.
In 1339 Sir Richard purchased a part of the "Nowers" manor jointly with his
wife Joan and their son Edmund who was then no more than seven years old
(Bloom p. 259 Middleton MSS MiD 1446 (28 September 1339) so let us assume
that Sir Edmund I de Willoughby, son of Sir Richard and Joan was born
shortly after their marriage in 1334.
Sir Edmund I married Alice Somerville of Cossington. I have seen no sources
which provide a date for this marriage. However, this must have been before
1369 because Edmund de Wylughby, knight, lord of Cossington together with
others witnessed a charter (Rothley MSS Medieval Cossington - S.H.
Skillington) which is dated Tuesday, after the Annunciation, 43 Edward III,
1369.
Now interestingly on 30 March 1352, Edmund I de Willoughby purchased in
reversion a messuage and one bovate of land in Ruddington (Middleton MSS.
MiD 864).
I have seen no source which even hazards a guess at the birth date of Edmund
II son of Sir Edmund I and Alice Somerville.
However, Bloom says (p.346):
"Nowers manor did not remain for long in Sir Edmund's hands: before 8 May
1379 it was transferred to one John Grenewych of Weston Underwood and his
wife Margery who conveyed it by fine on that date to Hugh de Annesley. [PRO,
CP 25 (1)/186/35 no. 7; Middleton MSS. MiD 1477 - John's son Alexander
quit-claimed with warranty his rights in the manor to Hugh Annesley on 17
May 1379 (Middleton MSS. MiD 1476; Cal. Close Rolls 1377-1381)].
The exact reasons for the transfer to Annesley are unclear but his intimate
association with the Willoughbys, in particular Sir Edmund de Willoughby
suggests that it took place at the instance of the family. The intention
may have been to have him act as a feoffee to use on their behalf in order
to resettle the estate under new conditions, a role which he had certainly
performed for Sir Edmund (Annesley had been one of three feoffees to use of
Sir Edmund who were involved in the resettlement of the manors of Cossington
and Hamilton in Leicestershire from 29 July 1369 to 21 January 1373
(Middleton MSS. 2/77/80 no's 11, 12, 13, 14, 16; Mi Dc 6 no's 3, 4, 5, 6 8),
and for which in this instance he was peculiarly suited. Annesley was the
father of Isabel who married before 25 November 1370 Sir Edmund's son Edmund
II. He was granted the manor of Car Colston and property in Bingham
(Notts.) to settle upon the couple when Edmund attained his majority
(Middleton MSS. MiD 218)"
Edmund II was obviously a minor when he married in 1370, and I suspect may
have been very young. Therefore its not so surprising that Edmund II and
Isabel's son Sir Hugh Willoughby was born many years after their marriage.
I suspect he was born before 1393 in that before his first wife, Isabel
Foljambe died in 1417, they had at least 4 children.
Bloom says that Edmund II died in 1395/6 and that Isabel Annesley died in
1416 Sir Hugh their son died in 1448.
From the above it seem to me that Edmund II de Willoughby did marry Isabel
Annesley about 1370 and that they were both very young. I would put
Isabel's birth between 1355-1365.
Now as Rosie says "There is also the added problem that if Isabel was
married before 23 Nov 1370 to Edmund Willoughby, she could not possibly
have been daughter of Sir Hugh d.1429. If this was her first marriage she
would have been born about 1355 which means that her father, who was
probably Hugh I, must have been born before 1340. Chronologically, I would
place Hugh I as son of Sir John d.1357."
I would agree with Rosie that it is likely that Isabel Annesley was daughter
of Hugh I and sister of the Sir Hugh Annesley who died in 1401.
Peter Sutton
Ronny Bodine
myself and Paget. I would venture to now say that although Paget may
have recited a good account of Robert, he did not correctly identify
his parentage. I will cite the details on Robert from Paget, below.
ROBERT FITZ WALKELIN. In a plea roll of 22 Edward I (1293/4) he is
called Robert fitz Walkeline and his daughter was named Margaret, wife
of John de Chandos. Per Paget (OGHBE: 205), (who calls him the son of
William de Ferrers, 3rd Earl of Derby): He died 1225. Fought in
Ireland 1210 and in Poitou 1214. He adhered to King John against the
rebel Barons for which he was suitably rewarded. He had no issue by
his wife Joan. (DUG, 1: 258 however names two daughters as his
coheiresses, both by his wife Joan.)
Married- JOAN de BOCLAND.
1. Ermentruda fitz Walkelin. Married- William de Stafford. (Not per
DUG- Robert Talbot, of Gainsborough, Lincolnshire.) This would be,
according to Staffordshire Record Society, Series 3, vol. 1917, p. 9-
Sir William de Stafford, born c1225, died 1258. Ermentrude was his
first wife and Auda, eldest sister and coheiress of Warin de Vernon,
of Sandon, was his 2nd.
2. Margaret fita Walkelin. See next.
MARGARET FITZ WALKELIN. Coheiress of her father to the manor of
Radborne. Married- Sir JOHN de CHANDOS, of Radborne.
Banks' Dormant and Extinct Baronage of England, 1 [1807], p. 257,
furnishes further details-
In 30 Henry III [1245/6], Sir John Chandos and Margaret his wife, on
the one part, and Sir William Stafford and Ermentrude his wife, on the
other part, entered into a deed of composition concerning the right of
patronage to the churches of Radborne and Egginton.
Their son- Sir Henry de Chandos, of Radborne, by deed without date,
for the health of his soul and that of Eleanor his wife, and their
children; and for the souls of Sir John Chandos, his father, and
Margaret, his mother, granted certain lands for the purpose of finding
two lamps for burning in the church of St. Andrew, at Radborne.
In 1290, Sir Henry Brailesford gave to John, son and heir of Sir Henry
Chandos, with Elizabeth, his daughter, in marriage, 50 Pounds
sterling.
In 1309/10, Nicholas, son of Henry de Wyllington, by deed of this
date, gave and granted to Edward, son of Sir John Chandos, a certain
piece of arable land in Egginton. And in 1339/40, Sir Edward Chandos
constituted, and in hisplace put his wife Isabella, to keep all his
goods, lands, etc. in Derby with a power to present to churches.
By deed of 1335, Robert Chandos, rector of the church of Radborne,
gave to Edward Chandos and Isabella, his wife, the moiety of the manor
of Radborne, and the third part of the manor of Egginton, and to the
heirs of the said Edward.
Ronny Bodine
Ronny Bodine
Willoughby was not descended from Sir John de Annesley and wife
Isabella de Ireland, heiress of Sir John Chaundos, but rather from a
possible brother of Sir John's named Hugh, father of Sir Hugh de
Annesley (died 1401) and that Isabella was perhaps Sir Hugh's sister?
I would not have thought that my initial posting would destroy this
line, but it appears so, and so be it. I will pursue this further and
report on any significant developments. However, in the interim,
having just completed a review of the Inquisitions Post Mortem for
Nottinghamshire from 1279-1546, I will post the following extract from
the IPM of Hugh de Wylughby, knt., taken 23 Jan 1448/9, published in
Thorosby Society Record Series, vol. 17 [1956], p. 27-32.
Edmund Wylughby, knt, was seized of the manor of Keteolston and of 2
virgates of land in the vills of Crophill Botyller and Byngham in his
demesne as of fee, and thus seized, he granted the manor and tenements
to Edmund, his son and to Isabel, daughter of Hugh Annesley, esq., to
hold to Edmund the son and Isabel and the legitimate heirs of their
bodies. By virtue of this grant Edmund the son and Isabel were seized
in their demesne as of fee tail, and they had issue Hugh Wylughby,
knt., and they died, after whose death the manor and tenements
descended to Hugh as their son and heir. Hugh as the son and heir of
Edmund, son of Edmund, and of Isabel entered into the manor and
tenements and was seized in his demesne as of fee tail, and he died
seized. The manor is held of the King as of his Duchy of Lancaster,
of His Honour of Tekill, by the service of a sixth part of one
knight's fee. The 2 virgates of land are held.....
Hugh, knt., died on 15 November last [1448]. Richard Wylughby, still
living, is the son and next heir of Hugh, and the son and next heir of
Hugh and Isabel, late the wife of Hugh, and is aged 30 years and more.
Thus, this at least confirms the following lineage-
1- Richard de Willoughby
m. Joan
2- Sir Edmund de Willoughby, kt.
3- Edmund de Willoughby
m. Isabel, dau. of Hugh Annesley, esq.
4- Hugh de Willoughby, knt. Died 15 Nov 1448.
5- Richard de Willoughby, born 1418.
Ronny Bodine
p.sutton
Richard de Willoughby could not have been born as late as 1418. He was the
eldest son of Sir Hugh Willoughby and his first wife wife Isabel Foljambe.
They had 4 children including Richard. Isabel Foljambe died on 29th
December 1417 (Source: Political Society in Lancastrian England - The
Greater Gentry of Nottinghamshire - Simon Payling p.35).
In addition, in July 1435, Richard was chosen to represent Nottinghamshire
in Parliament (Source: Payling p. 143), he therefore must have been born at
least before 1414.
Sir Hugh married his second wife Margaret Freville by 23 May 1418. (Source:
Payling p.35)
Regards
Peter Sutton
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Ronny Bodine
It looks as if the "and more" part of the age reference of "30 years
and more" to Richard Willoughby applies here. I will have to secure a
copy of Paylings book through inter-library loan and read up on what
he has to say about the Derbyshire.
Ronny Bodine