Alphonse III of Leon, Royale GEDCOM
Antonio Queiroz Menezes
of Asturies through his son Vimarano. The excelente royale
GEDCOM file makes no mention of this relationship. Is my
information incorrect?
It is said that the portuguese family of surname Ribeiro is
descended from these two kings through a galician nobleman from
a place called Ribera. The portuguese Ribeiro's coat of arms is
quartered of the royal arms of Aragon and of the arms of
Vasconcelos.
If this line is correct as in my database my maternal grandfather
would be a direct descendent of Alphonse Ist of Asturies on the
male line.
Antonio
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Antonio Queiroz Menezes M.Sc. (Econo)
Porto - Portugal
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Todd A. Farmerie
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> On my database I have Alphonse III as descending from Alphonse I
> of Asturies through his son Vimarano. The excelente royale
> GEDCOM file makes no mention of this relationship. Is my
> information incorrect?
Yes. While documentation is scanty, we know that the line of the later
Kings of Asturias descend from a nephew of King Alfonso. This is almost
universally accepted as being Alfonso I, with the descent running from
Alfonso's brother Fruela, Vermudo I, Ramiro I, and Ordono I to Alfosno
III. However, a recent review by Vajay presents a reasonable argument
that the uncle may have been Alfonso II. This would mean that Vermudo
I's father Fruela would be son of Fruela I, and grandson of Alfonso I.
This alternative needs to be explored in detail before we overturn the
more traditional derivation. Either way, the Alfonso I and III share a
male line ancestor in Pedro, Duke of Cantabria.
> It is said that the portuguese family of surname Ribeiro is
> descended from these two kings through a galician nobleman from
> a place called Ribera. The portuguese Ribeiro's coat of arms is
> quartered of the royal arms of Aragon and of the arms of
> Vasconcelos.
>
> If this line is correct as in my database my maternal grandfather
> would be a direct descendent of Alphonse Ist of Asturies on the
> male line.
This derivation of Ribiero from Asturias is probably not valid. Many
such connections were invented, tracing through otherwise unknown
younger or bastard sons, or assigning known sons to someone of the same
name without evidence that they were the same person. Although there
are likely other descents that remain undocumented, to the best of my
knowledge, only the Aza family of Leon has a well documented claim to
such a male-line descent from the dynasty of Alfonso I. (For those
interested, they are likely descended from the Cid's enemy, Garcia
Ordonez, who in turn has been placed as grandson of Ordono Ramirez, son
of Ramiro III.)
taf