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Thomas Milton Tinney, Sr.
Feb 24, 2018, 1:41:41 PM2/24/18
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THE TINNEY SURNAME
The Tinney surname was in Ireland through military expeditions, as well as the heretofore mention of linguistic ties, back and forth between the various sections of the British Isles. [The British Isles are a group of islands off the north-western coast of continental Europe that consist of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland and over six thousand smaller isles. - Encyclopædia Britannica] The Irish Tinney line as an anglicized version of a Celtic phrase meaning "son of the fox" ties it all together, as the Conservation of Irish Habitats and Species does indicate that the red fox is Ireland’s only member of the Canidae family. They are easily recognizable by their small doglike appearance. Coloration consists of a reddish to brown tint with a long bushy tail often with a white tip. As a madra rua, in maturing, the coat colour changes from its original dark brown to foxy red. In Irish, red fur, is rua (roo-uh), and dyed or painted red is called dearg (jar ug). The military connection is found, as well as merchant activities, in that: In the earliest times in Ireland, as elsewhere, beacon fires were in common use, for the guidance of travellers or to alarm the country in any sudden emergency. The spots where signal or festival fires used to be lighted are still, in many cases, indicated by the names, though in almost all these places the custom has, for ages, fallen into disuse. One of the names used was teine [tinne]. It is found in:Kiltinny near Coleraine, the wood of the fire; Duntinny in Donegal, (dun, a fort), thus the Donegal Tinney "of the fire" at the fort; etc. It also appears that this idea, of fire, as a source of light, a beacon, has followed down traditionally in the Tinia variations noted by Edward O'Reilly in An Irish-English Dictionary, published in Dublin, Ireland, in A.D. 1864. Here, the 16th letter of the Irish alphabet is listed as: Tinne, a. meaning "wonderful, strange"; adv. meaning almost. Tinne, s. meaning "a chain; the name of the letter 'T'." "T" is the 16th letter of the Irish alphabet and ranked among the hard consonants. Also, tin, s.f., a beginning, fire; [as in Cornish Tan: fire; Cornish Tehan: a firebrand; to light; kindle]; a gross, corpulent, fat [as in Cornish Tenn: rude; rustic]; also, tender [as in Cornish Tyner: tender], soft [as in Cornish Tene: sucking (too young to be weaned; Cornish Tena: to suck)]; thin [as in Cornish Tanau: thin, slender, small, lean]. tine, s.f., fire, a link; [the link, the constant attachment there is betwixt the tongue (which is the fire) of the eloquent, and the ears of the audience.] tin or tion, v. to melt or dissolve, O'B. tinn, adj., sick; inflection of teann, brave, etc. [See: Antiquities, Historical and Monumental, of the County of Cornwall, published 1769, by William Borlase, LL.D., F.R.S., pages 103, 106; also A Cornish-English Vocabulary.] Tinney was anciently interchanged with Tynney, etc. R. Morton Nance, Ed., A Cornish-English Dictionary, [England], (1967 reprint [first published by the Federation Of Old Cornwall Societies, 1955]), p. 92, wherein: ten, m. pl. -now, pull, pulling, drag, . . . drawing of breath . . . tenna, vb. to pull, pluck, haul, drag, draw, take off, extract. This in turn relates to p. 98, tyn, f. or m. pl. -yon, fast ground left in mine working, end (of material, etc.). Greek: Teino; Cornish: Tedna; English: Draw]. Therefore, it appears the base tyn relates to the work involved in and the efforts made to extract Tin (Tynne) from the ground. Tin/Tynne, from the Camden Society, [England], Publications, Vol. 12, The Egerton Papers, pages 283-285, C. J. Popham's Letter Regarding Tin, dated the ixth of August 1598, "To the Q(ueen). Most excelent Matie" [Elizabeth I]. . . The cawse that hath hytherunto moved me to forbeare to wryte touchyng the matter of Tynne, as your Matie gave me in charge, hath ben for that I desyered fyrst to have spoken with one whome I may trust, that came very latelye out of the liberty, by whome I expected (if I cold have gotten hym) to have ben better informed off the trewe valewe of Tynne in those partes: for I well know that ordynarye merchantes are not to be dealt with therin, who seke by all meanes to conceale the great benefytt of their trades, whether it growe through the Englishe or forrein comodytes; and I can not thynke that by meanes of the generall companyes of Merchantes your Matie shalbe able to advance suche benyfytt to your selff off the Tynne as ys sett downe in the notes, but some other way must be thought off to rayse that, or happely some greater commodyte, which upon conferens hadd with the partie that gate the information (who as yt seemeth hathe muche and to purpose labored in the cawse) may be effected as I am perswaded. Upon my conferens off late with Mr. Myddelton, I fynd ther can not be so muche Tynne . . . weight off Tynne . . . At Wellington, the ixth of August, A.D. 1598
The LORD Jesus Christ, Jews, The House of Joseph, Gentiles and Heathens: A Careful Study of the TINNEY Surname from Worldwide Origins.
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/thelordjesuschristjewsjosephgentilesheathenstinneyelijah.htm
The Tinney surname was in Ireland through military expeditions, as well as the heretofore mention of linguistic ties, back and forth between the various sections of the British Isles. [The British Isles are a group of islands off the north-western coast of continental Europe that consist of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland and over six thousand smaller isles. - Encyclopædia Britannica] The Irish Tinney line as an anglicized version of a Celtic phrase meaning "son of the fox" ties it all together, as the Conservation of Irish Habitats and Species does indicate that the red fox is Ireland’s only member of the Canidae family. They are easily recognizable by their small doglike appearance. Coloration consists of a reddish to brown tint with a long bushy tail often with a white tip. As a madra rua, in maturing, the coat colour changes from its original dark brown to foxy red. In Irish, red fur, is rua (roo-uh), and dyed or painted red is called dearg (jar ug). The military connection is found, as well as merchant activities, in that: In the earliest times in Ireland, as elsewhere, beacon fires were in common use, for the guidance of travellers or to alarm the country in any sudden emergency. The spots where signal or festival fires used to be lighted are still, in many cases, indicated by the names, though in almost all these places the custom has, for ages, fallen into disuse. One of the names used was teine [tinne]. It is found in:Kiltinny near Coleraine, the wood of the fire; Duntinny in Donegal, (dun, a fort), thus the Donegal Tinney "of the fire" at the fort; etc. It also appears that this idea, of fire, as a source of light, a beacon, has followed down traditionally in the Tinia variations noted by Edward O'Reilly in An Irish-English Dictionary, published in Dublin, Ireland, in A.D. 1864. Here, the 16th letter of the Irish alphabet is listed as: Tinne, a. meaning "wonderful, strange"; adv. meaning almost. Tinne, s. meaning "a chain; the name of the letter 'T'." "T" is the 16th letter of the Irish alphabet and ranked among the hard consonants. Also, tin, s.f., a beginning, fire; [as in Cornish Tan: fire; Cornish Tehan: a firebrand; to light; kindle]; a gross, corpulent, fat [as in Cornish Tenn: rude; rustic]; also, tender [as in Cornish Tyner: tender], soft [as in Cornish Tene: sucking (too young to be weaned; Cornish Tena: to suck)]; thin [as in Cornish Tanau: thin, slender, small, lean]. tine, s.f., fire, a link; [the link, the constant attachment there is betwixt the tongue (which is the fire) of the eloquent, and the ears of the audience.] tin or tion, v. to melt or dissolve, O'B. tinn, adj., sick; inflection of teann, brave, etc. [See: Antiquities, Historical and Monumental, of the County of Cornwall, published 1769, by William Borlase, LL.D., F.R.S., pages 103, 106; also A Cornish-English Vocabulary.] Tinney was anciently interchanged with Tynney, etc. R. Morton Nance, Ed., A Cornish-English Dictionary, [England], (1967 reprint [first published by the Federation Of Old Cornwall Societies, 1955]), p. 92, wherein: ten, m. pl. -now, pull, pulling, drag, . . . drawing of breath . . . tenna, vb. to pull, pluck, haul, drag, draw, take off, extract. This in turn relates to p. 98, tyn, f. or m. pl. -yon, fast ground left in mine working, end (of material, etc.). Greek: Teino; Cornish: Tedna; English: Draw]. Therefore, it appears the base tyn relates to the work involved in and the efforts made to extract Tin (Tynne) from the ground. Tin/Tynne, from the Camden Society, [England], Publications, Vol. 12, The Egerton Papers, pages 283-285, C. J. Popham's Letter Regarding Tin, dated the ixth of August 1598, "To the Q(ueen). Most excelent Matie" [Elizabeth I]. . . The cawse that hath hytherunto moved me to forbeare to wryte touchyng the matter of Tynne, as your Matie gave me in charge, hath ben for that I desyered fyrst to have spoken with one whome I may trust, that came very latelye out of the liberty, by whome I expected (if I cold have gotten hym) to have ben better informed off the trewe valewe of Tynne in those partes: for I well know that ordynarye merchantes are not to be dealt with therin, who seke by all meanes to conceale the great benefytt of their trades, whether it growe through the Englishe or forrein comodytes; and I can not thynke that by meanes of the generall companyes of Merchantes your Matie shalbe able to advance suche benyfytt to your selff off the Tynne as ys sett downe in the notes, but some other way must be thought off to rayse that, or happely some greater commodyte, which upon conferens hadd with the partie that gate the information (who as yt seemeth hathe muche and to purpose labored in the cawse) may be effected as I am perswaded. Upon my conferens off late with Mr. Myddelton, I fynd ther can not be so muche Tynne . . . weight off Tynne . . . At Wellington, the ixth of August, A.D. 1598
The LORD Jesus Christ, Jews, The House of Joseph, Gentiles and Heathens: A Careful Study of the TINNEY Surname from Worldwide Origins.
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/thelordjesuschristjewsjosephgentilesheathenstinneyelijah.htm
Ian Goddard
Feb 24, 2018, 5:31:29 PM2/24/18
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There's this wonderful invention called paragraphs. Consider trying t.
wjhonson
Feb 26, 2018, 2:53:01 PM2/26/18
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It is an unusual mind who can ramble all over the world trying to prove the ancient origins of "Tinney"
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/tingeo1.htm
From ancient Canada to the Caucausus to Britain.
I don't see how you tie all those people back to King David however, sorry.
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/tingeo1.htm
From ancient Canada to the Caucausus to Britain.
I don't see how you tie all those people back to King David however, sorry.
Thomas Milton Tinney, Sr.
Feb 28, 2018, 11:34:18 PM2/28/18
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Did not attempt nor discuss any direct tie to Davidic Lineage. The review was made more in the light of ascertaining the Biblical validity of the Scattering and Gathering of Israel, which requires global study of a surname - first ever.
The worldwide evaluation confirms Septuagint predictions are historically valid. It furthermore ratifies: DNA studies are essentially invalid and not historical.
http://emp.byui.edu/SATTERFIELDB/quotes/gatheringisrael.html
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/ancientgenealogyjudah.htm#035
C. BOOK [Stick] of JUDAH - Family of [King] David
- Cairo Genizah
- Can We Prove Descent From King David?
All we need is good evidence and records that
go back that far and give convincing proof of our
claim. So far, available records cannot do it. Some
individuals rely on tradition and faith to back their claim.
- Ashkenazi Jews
- Baal Shem Tov
- Judah Loew ben Bezalel
- Menachem Mendel Schneerson
- Bagrationi Dynasty: Origins > Claim of the Biblical Descent
- Bagrationi Dynasty
- Bagratuni Dynasty
- Davidic Dynasty: Davidic Genealogy Links
Dedicated to uniting the Jewish descendants of King David.
- Davidic Dynasty in Bible Prophecy
- Davidic Line
- Genealogy of Jesus
- Torah Sources for Genealogy
- Ethiopian Historiography: Solomonic Dynasty
- Emperor of Ethiopia: Haile Selassie
- Exilarch
Leaders of the Diaspora, the community of Jews, following
the 580s BC deportation of the population of Judah into
Babylonian captivity, (after the destruction of the Kingdom
of Judah). The princely post was hereditary in a family
that traced its descent from the Royal Davidic Line.
- Lurie Legacy: The House of Davidic Royal Descent
- Sephardi Jews: Early History of the Jews in Spain
- Abravanel
- Maimonides
- Dead Sea Scrolls: Digital Dead Sea Scrolls
- History of Ancient Israel and Judah
- The Lord Jesus Christ, Jews, The House of Joseph, Gentiles and Heathens
- Jew, Jewish
- Jewish Ethnic Divisions
- Jewish Languages
- Judaism and Mormonism
- Book of Mormon Genealogy Chart (pdf)
- Book of Mormon Charts | BYU Studies
[26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40]
- Judaism by Country
- Kingdom of Israel (United Monarchy)
- Kingdom of Judah
- Kings of Judah
- Kinship of Families to Adam by Bennett: Kinship of Families
by Archibald F. Bennett, NGS Hall of Fame Members
- FamilySearch Catalog: Through the Loins of Joseph — FamilySearch.org
- The Royal Line: A Short Commentary by the Compiler Albert F. Schmuhl
- FamilySearch Catalog: The Royal Line — FamilySearch.org
- The Royal Line by Schmuhl – Stevenson Genealogy & Copy Center L.L.C.
- Messiah in Judaism
- Old Testament
- Oxyrhynchus Papyri: Old Testament
- Oxyrhynchus Papryi - Classics: Imaging Papyri - Classics
- Oxyrhynchus Papyri
Largest cache of early Christian manuscripts discovered to date.
- People of Israel - Judah
- Scattering and Gathering of Israel
- Schoyen Collection
I do find the Schoyen Collection to be very interesting to review.
2.6 Medieval History - The Schoyen Collection
https://www.schoyencollection.com/history-collection-introduction/medieval-history-collection
It has a GENEALOGICAL ROLL OF THE KINGS OF ENGLAND - The Schoyen Collection
https://www.schoyencollection.com/history-collection-introduction/medieval-history-collection/item/768-genealogical-roll-of-the-kings-of-england-ms-250
3.6 Medieval & Renaissance - The Schoyen Collection
https://www.schoyencollection.com/literature-collection/medieval-renaissance-literature-collection
24. Smaller Collections - The Schoyen Collection has:
24.11 Peerage Genealogies - The Schoyen Collection
https://www.schoyencollection.com/24-smaller-collections/peerage-genealogies
Thomas Milton Tinney, Sr.
Feb 28, 2018, 11:57:21 PM2/28/18
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Forgot To Convey That The University of Oxford Oxyrhynchus Papryi - Classics
http://www.classics.ox.ac.uk/oxyrhynchus.html
"The collection comprises thousands of papyrus texts from ancient Oxyrhynchus and other sites in Egypt and is the largest collection of papyri in the world. It includes principally literary, documentary and other texts in Greek, dating from the third century BC to the seventh century AD" and "documents public and private, including codes, edicts, registers, official correspondence, census-returns, tax-assessments, petitions, court-records, sales, leases, wills, accounts, horoscopes, and private letters." This includes "the earliest extant copy of the Septuagint Psalms"; some attributed historically to King David.
http://www.papyrology.ox.ac.uk/POxy/
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2050/jewish/King-David-and-the-Psalms.htm
http://www.classics.ox.ac.uk/oxyrhynchus.html
"The collection comprises thousands of papyrus texts from ancient Oxyrhynchus and other sites in Egypt and is the largest collection of papyri in the world. It includes principally literary, documentary and other texts in Greek, dating from the third century BC to the seventh century AD" and "documents public and private, including codes, edicts, registers, official correspondence, census-returns, tax-assessments, petitions, court-records, sales, leases, wills, accounts, horoscopes, and private letters." This includes "the earliest extant copy of the Septuagint Psalms"; some attributed historically to King David.
http://www.papyrology.ox.ac.uk/POxy/
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2050/jewish/King-David-and-the-Psalms.htm
wjhonson
Mar 1, 2018, 12:38:52 PM3/1/18
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However it's not actually the case that Tinney is an ancient inherited surname, since the "t" was merely transposed on to an existing word Sinnoch, which means "fox" in Gaelic.
So looking for various "tinney" uses in the past, completely misses the boat, and not just the boat, but the entire port.
So looking for various "tinney" uses in the past, completely misses the boat, and not just the boat, but the entire port.
Richard Smith
Mar 1, 2018, 1:10:45 PM3/1/18
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On 01/03/18 17:38, wjhonson wrote:
> However it's not actually the case that Tinney is an ancient
> inherited surname, since the "t" was merely transposed on to an
> existing word Sinnoch, which means "fox" in Gaelic.
The Irish Gaelic word for fox is spelt "sionnach": "sinnoch" doesn't
> However it's not actually the case that Tinney is an ancient
> inherited surname, since the "t" was merely transposed on to an
> existing word Sinnoch, which means "fox" in Gaelic.
conform to the rule, caol le caol agus leathan le leathan. The genitive
form after a definite article would be "an tsionnaigh" meaning "of the
fox". If the surname really does derive from this, and I've no idea
whether the name might have several independent origins, the surname
will likely have been "Mac an tSionnaigh": "son of the fox".
Richard
Paulo Canedo
Mar 1, 2018, 1:51:23 PM3/1/18
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Is there any way to stop this Tinney fellow from posting in the newsgroup? He's annoying.
Richard Smith
Mar 1, 2018, 2:45:17 PM3/1/18
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On 01/03/18 18:51, Paulo Canedo wrote:
> Is there any way to stop this Tinney fellow from posting in the newsgroup? He's annoying.
No, it's not possible to prevent anyone from posting to an unmoderated
> Is there any way to stop this Tinney fellow from posting in the newsgroup? He's annoying.
newsgroup, and it would be politically difficult to convert this to a
moderated group. But I suggest you as I do, and configure your news
reader to delete posts from him. Then you'll only be reminded of his
existence if someone else replies, which seems increasingly uncommon.
Richard
taf
Mar 1, 2018, 5:05:31 PM3/1/18
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taf
Richard Smith
Mar 1, 2018, 5:54:27 PM3/1/18
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On 01/03/18 22:05, taf wrote:
> It is effectively impossible to change an unmoderated USENET (or Google Groups) group into a moderated one.
Well, that's not quite true. One can issue an NNTP control message for
> It is effectively impossible to change an unmoderated USENET (or Google Groups) group into a moderated one.
a new newsgroup with the same name as the existing one, but with the
moderated flag set. If trusted cmsg is received to create an already
existing newsgroup, it has the effect of changing its status. It has
been done in the past to convert other newsgroups to be moderated, and
despite the significant technical obstacles that need overcoming, it has
been made to work in the past. But successfully converting a group is
not common, and is both politically and technically difficult. I can't
imagine it being a desirable course of action here.
Richard
taf
Mar 1, 2018, 7:36:45 PM3/1/18
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Because of these problems, it became all but impossible to get a proposed switch-over to be approved, with the creation of a parallel moderated group much preferred (if moderation was deemed beneficial).
taf
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