(?Sir) Edmund Moody
Phil Moody
I had a correspondence from one Cliff L. Moody several weeks back requesting
my assistance in finding a PCC Will, and for my assistance he has sent me
some fascinating information, and perhaps someone will be able to add a few
details for me. Cliff belongs to no Medieval Forums, but he has been able to
trace his ancestry from Edmond Moody of Bury St. Edmunds (b. 1495) and he
suspects that I to am a descendant of this gentleman; although I believe it
would be a collateral line from Cliff's pedigree. Per the Chart Cliff sent
me of his ancestry - he has that Edmond Moody (b. 1495) had four sons:
Rev. William Moody, Rector of Cockfield (b.; 1515, d, 28 June, 1567).
Rev. John Moody, Vicar of Benhall (b. 1517, d. 24 April, 1567).
Rev. Thomas Moody, Rector of Moulton [Chaplain of Islington 1548-1558] (b.
1520, d. 26 August, 1569).
Richard Moody, Gentleman of Moulton (b. 1525, d. 28 April, 1574) [Cliff
Moody descends from this Gent.]
Thomas Moody is the predominate name in my lineage; so I suspect I could
descend from the Rev, Thomas Moody, but this is just speculation at this
point; although Edmund Moody's (b.1495) father is believed to be named
Thomas.
Cliff informs me that this Edmund Moody became armigerous and the family
motto is _Deus Nobiscum_; so I am curious to know if this motto translates
as _The Reward of Valor_?
Cliff sent me a printed copy of the Arms, as well as the document granting
the Arms to Edmund Moody.
"The ARMS and CREST of
Edmund Moodye
otherwise Moody of Bury St. Edmunds
in the County of Suffolk,
A Gentleman, granted by letters patent
under the hand and seal of
THOMAS HAWLEY, CLARENCEUX KING OF ARMS
on the sixth day of October 1541
in the thirty second year of His Majesty
KING HENRY VIII
for miraculously saving his life at
Hitchin, County of Herts,
when leaping over a ditch with a pole which brake;
that if the said Edmund, a footman in the King's retinue,
had not leapt into ye water and lifted up the King's head,
he had drowned; for which he was rewarded.
"The Reward of Valor"
College of Arms London, Signature indecipherable, Windsor Herald of Arms"
End Quote.
Cliff has provided numerous supporting documents of this event, and it
appears King Henry was Hawking at a time when he had become very fat, and
when his pole broke - he went into the water head first and his head was
stuck fast in the mud underwater.
Question: If someone is Granted ARMS and a CREST - doesn't this imply that a
Knighthood was granted, thus making Edmund Moody - Sir Edmund Moody?
Naturally, I would be interest in any genealogical data concerning the
children of Edmund Moody (b. 1495)- mentioned above, or his parentage.
Best Wishes,
Phil Moody
D. Spencer Hines
Henry VIII with his head stuck in the mud.
Imaginative...
DSH
""Phil Moody"" <moody...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Renia
> Dear All:
This was a grant of a coat of arms and a crest, not a knighthood. Not
the same thing.
Renia
Phil Moody
Great Story!
Henry VIII with his head stuck in the mud.
Imaginative...
DSH
PLM: Imaginative? Here is the bibliography Cliff sent concern Sir Edmund
Moodye; so you can determine what is fact and fiction for yourself.
Bibliographic References Regarding
Sir Edmund Moodye of Bury St. Edmunds
in the
County of Suffolk, England
Farris, Noėl. The Wymondleys, pgs. 12, 13; Hertforshire Pub. 1989.
Gibbons, John (17th Cent.). Prince Protecting Providence, pg. 4; London:
1682.
Grafton, Richard ( -1572). Abridgement of the Chronicles of England,
London: 1562.
Hall, Edward (1498-1547). King Henry VIII, pg. 38; London: 1542, 1548,
1550.
Hine, Reginald L. The History of Hitchin, Vol. I, pg. 140; Vol. II. pg. 243.
Old Woking, Surrey, Unwin Brothers Ltd., Gresham Press, Great Britain, 1927.
Hawley, Thomas, ( -1557). The Arms and Crest of Edmund Moodye, College
of Arms, London: Granted on October 6, 1541.
James, G.P.R. Darnley, Field of the Cloth of Gold. Chapter 12, page 14; New
York: Harper Brothers, 1836.
Penny Magazine. Hawking, Vol. III, 161, pg. 392; London: October 4, 1834.
Stow, John, (1525-1605). The Chronicles of England, London: 1580.
Weir, Alison. Henry VIII - The King And His Court, pg. 247; New York:
Ballantine Books, 2002.
PLM: A couple of quotes for your convenience (kindly compiled and provided
by Cliff Moody.
"If Will Somers had dared, he could probably have made his audience see the
comic aspects of an accident that befell the King in 1525. But in fact this
was no laughing matter, for, once again, Henry was nearly killed. When he
was "following of his hawk" near Hitchin, he tried to pole-vault over a
ditch, but the pole snapped and he landed headfirst in the muddy water.
Stuck fast in the clay, he would have drowned had it not been for a footman,
Edmund Mody, who leapt into the stream and hauled him out. This accident (or
the one in the tiltyard a year before) might have accounted for the
headaches he suffered later on, but its immediate effect was to bring home
to the king, more forcibly than ever, the fact that the problem of the
succession must be solved as a matter of urgency."
Weir, Alison. Henry VIII - The King And His Court, pg. 247; New York:
Ballantine Books, 2002.
"In this yere the kyng folowyng of his hauke, lept over a diche beside
Hychyn, with a polle and the polle brake, so that if one Edmond Mody, a
foteman, had not lept into the water, and lift up his hed, whiche was fast
in the clay, he had drowned: but God of his goodness preserved him." Hall,
Edward (1498-1547). King Henry VIII, pg. 38; London: 1542, 1548, 1550.
Cheers,
Phil
Phil Moody
> This was a grant of a coat of arms and a crest, not a knighthood. Not
> the same thing.
PLM: So, then he is not entitled to use the word Sir? He was also granted a
Groat a day for life; so is this the equivalant of a penny?
Cheers,
Phil
Renia
> "Renia" wrote:
>
>
>>This was a grant of a coat of arms and a crest, not a knighthood. Not
>>the same thing.
>
>
> PLM: So, then he is not entitled to use the word Sir? He was also granted a
> Groat a day for life; so is this the equivalant of a penny?
No, he wasn't a sir.
A groat was a fourpenny-piece (worth four old pence!). There were 3
groats to a shilling (now 5p or £0.05) and there were 20 shillings in
one pound. I'll let you work out the dollar/annual conversion.
Renia
Tim Powys-Lybbe
> "Renia" wrote:
>
> > This was a grant of a coat of arms and a crest, not a knighthood. Not
> > the same thing.
>
> PLM: So, then he is not entitled to use the word Sir?
(My view is that the country would have been better off if this act of
rescue of H VIII had not been performed. So "Cur"?)
> He was also granted a Groat a day for life; so is this the equivalant
> of a penny?
One groat = 4 pence (except when it doesn't), now obsolete and unused.
Though I think it is still used in the Maundy money the sovereign hands
out on Maundy Thursday each year to the same number of poor as years of
the sov's age.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
Gordon Kirkemo
My records show a descent from an Edmund Moodye that looks like this:
1. Edmund Moodye
2. Richard Moody (b. abt 1525) m. Anne (?)
3. George Moody b. Sep 1559 in Wood Ditton, Cambridge. Married Margaret
Chenery daughter of John and Elizabeth (Norwich) Chenery of Kennett,
Cambridge. Elizabeth was the daughter of Stephen and Agnes (?) Norwich.
4. Frances Moody b. 11 Oct 1584 in Wood Ditton, married Thomas Kilbourne (b.
8 May 1578 in Wood Ditton) and immigrated to Weathersfield, CT.
Regrettably, my source for #s 1 and 2 above is the Ancestral File. For #s 3
and 4, my sources are TAG Vol. 64, page 1 and TAG Vol. 66, page 204. Also
cited is "The Ancestry of Thomas Kilbourn of Wood Ditton, Cambridgeshire,
England and Weathersfield, Connecticut" by John Dwight Kilbourne (pages
31-35).
I am very interested in any of the details and documentation you might be
able to share if this is the correct line.
Sincerely,
Gordon Kirkemo
Dear All:
Best Wishes,
Phil Moody
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Phil Moody
Cheers,
Phil
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Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:05 PM
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Again, it's amazing how one simple act of valor can result in such a powerful change in history!
Diane
Karen Moody
**Edmund Moody/Moodye /Mody Gent's relation to you: Direct ancestor (15 generations)**
Karen A Moody (born Johnson ) Me - You
Fern Arda Johnson (born Fraidenburg) your mother
R.D. Fraidenburg her father
Jason Berthier Fraidenburg his father
Emily Elizabeth Fraidenburg (born Bacon) his mother
Jael Ann Bacon (born Nash) her mother
Clarissa Nash (born Burr) her mother
John Capt Burr her father
John Burr his father
Mary Burr (born Root) his mother
Dr. Caleb Root, Sr. her father
Mary Root (born Kilbourne) his mother
Frances Kilborn (Kilbourne) (born Moody) her mother
George Moody, Sr her father
Richard Moodye his father
Edmund Moody / Moodye /Mody / Gent. his father
Vicki Simpson
Jinny Wallerstedt/Girl 57
And yes, what might things have looked like had Edmund not extricated (maybe hauled is a better word?) King Henry from the mud? I wouldn't pole vault at my skinniest!
Alyce Niquette
> Love this thread! Anyone remember learning about Dwight L. Moody, American evangelist and publisher? I wonder if he could have descended from some branch of this family.
>
> And yes, what might things have looked like had Edmund not extricated (maybe hauled is a better word?) King Henry from the mud? I wouldn't pole vault at my skinniest!
Regarding Dwight Lyman, it um…seems to depend upon who’s investigating? Our “official”genealogy says no, but yet he was my great-grandfather’s uncle. If anyone can explain how that works it would be much appreciated!
D M
https://www.geni.com/people/William-Moody/6000000003522775213
Checked their descendants and seem many have ties to Utah. Since LDS launched genealogy sites such at ancestry or familysearch.org (church members have free access), I've been able to see the Moody (Moodye) line back to Scotland in the 1200s.
Super cool