Fw: Counting Descendants
Leo van de Pas
Glad you see the point I was making. What apparently is obvious (and true) I
never have scholarly learned the English language, speaking or writing. I'd
like to see Hines do this with any language.
Of course it is glorious to pick on people for spelling errors, but what I
find hilarious is this mental picture of our intrepid sailor holding the
world's map upside down to find the East Coast of Europe.
In the meantime the Stuyvesant descendancy is growing.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
----- Original Message -----
From: "Volucris" <volu...@kpnplanet.nl>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: Counting Descendants
DSH
> I have digested this and made a file just to see what it brought together
> and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst the
> descendants
> of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift, [knip]
Being Dutch I often struggle for an appropriate English translation of
a word or a phrase.
My English/Dutch dictionary shows under 'amongst' the meanings:
onder, tussen, te midden van, met ons, evengoed als, behoren tot.
Ít is not strange to see that Leo van de Pas, being a born Dutchman
(and getting older ;-), occasionly slips back in a elder train of
thought. With the diverse meanings of 'amongst' I can see no fault
in his including Kirk Douglas amongst the descendants even though the
man is no actual blood descendant. Being married to one he is to be
found 'te midden van' (in de company of) etc. etc. I might have used
the phrase myselve.
Anyone who keeps insisting on a more correct descripton (or finding
faults in other one's) should firstly be beyond reproach himself. I
can't say that you are even near this category. Go change the world
and start with yourself, you're just nitpicking.
Hans Vogels
On 30 aug, 01:44, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
> Leo needs another lesson in humility....
>
> I'm always happy to oblige, with my sturdy, well-seasoned 2 by 4....
>
> Leo, intensely embarrassed at his gaffe, is trying to confuse the Gentle
> Readers with bafflegab mixed with backing, filling and weasel wording --
> in
> order to make folks FORGET what he foolishly ACTUALLY WROTE, so he can run
> away from it
>
> He's also throwing out red herrings aplenty -- as a diversionary tactic.
>
> Here it is again, the Original Leo Version he wants us to FORGET about, as
> he walks the cat back and throws out the red herrings.
>
> Posted Verbatim:
>
> "A very kind person helped me with information about the Stuyvesant
> family,
> I have digested this and made a file just to see what it brought together
> and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst the
> descendants
> of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift, Eleanor Roosevelt, Robert
> Traill Spence Lowel IV, Adam von Trott zu Solz (involved in the conspiracy
> against Hitler), Princess Maria Antonia de Braganca, Infanta of Portugal,
> and many others." -- Leo van de Pas
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Leo is incorrect, Kirk Douglas is NOT a Stuyvesant Descendant -- although
> his son Michael, born 1944, is.
>
> DSH
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
> Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
>
> Illegitimatis Non Carborundum
>
> Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus
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Leo van de Pas
What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
What did my niece, who you announced to the world lives in Brisbane, got to
do with discussions on gen-med? What have the relatives mentioned in private
by Peter Stewart got to do with discussions on gen-med? You are a sick
puppy.
My point is a very valid one, if you say that spouses do not belong in a
family tree, that surely should be news to Kuniko.
Can you produce an acceptable descendants list _without spouses_? Come on,
big boy, show us what you can do.....................
Do some wriggling of your own, those red herrings did you find them on the
East Coast of Europe?
Best hilarious wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra (no, not Brisbane)
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Counting Descendants
> "Amongst descendants" belong spouses, as otherwise there would be no next
> generation. Apparently you have not grasped that fact. I wonder what
> Kuniko
> thinks about this attitude that spouses "do not belong to a family".
> Interesting attitude. De Jure Descendants (spouses) are an essential part
> of any family." -- Leo van de Pas
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Leo just keeps wriggling and throwing out red herrings. Also, my wife has
> no part in this discussion. He needs to leave her out of it.
>
> 1. That's not what Leo originally wrote -- "...belong to a family".
>
> 2. THIS is what he wrote:
>
> "A very kind person helped me with information about the Stuyvesant
> family,
> I have digested this and made a file just to see what it brought together
> and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst the
> descendants
> of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift, Eleanor Roosevelt, Robert
> Traill Spence Lowel IV, Adam von Trott zu Solz (involved in the conspiracy
> against Hitler), Princess Maria Antonia de Braganca, Infanta of Portugal,
> and many others." -- Leo van de Pas
>
> 3. ALL the others are allegedly DESCENDANTS of a STUYVESANT.
>
> Kirk Douglas is NOT.
>
> 4. Leo doesn't even know what a DESCENDANT is in GENEALOGY!
>
> Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude.
>
> DSH
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
>
D. Spencer Hines
news:mailman.1518.1188458...@rootsweb.com...
> What apparently is obvious (and true) I never have scholarly
> learned the English language, speaking or writing.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Hilarious!
A self-professed Genealogist, working in the English language, who doesn't
even understand what a DESCENDANT is....
Victoria, it just doesn't get any better than this.
Enjoy!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
Leo van de Pas
still waiting for that descendants list without spouses.
Show us what you can, of course, you have to put away that map of the world,
upside down or not.
Come on, put work and facts where now is only drivel you should be ashamed
of.
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Counting Descendants
D. Spencer Hines
news:mailman.1518.1188458...@rootsweb.com...
> What apparently is obvious (and true) I never have scholarly
> learned the English language, speaking or writing.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Hilarious!
A self-professed Genealogist, constantly working in the English language,
who doesn't even understand what a DESCENDANT is....
Further, Leo is flummoxed, farbissen and farblondjet -- so, he wriggles,
throws out red herring strawmen and tries to move the goal posts.
Leo van de Pas
is questionable, why keep on making it so obvious?
> Your "selective" jeering is telling, for a change _do_ something. I am
> still waiting for that descendants list without spouses.
>
> Show us what you can, of course, you have to put away that map of the
> world,
> upside down or not.
>
> Come on, put work and facts where now is only drivel you should be ashamed
> of.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com>
> Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
> To: <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Counting Descendants
>
>
>> "Leo van de Pas" <leov...@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:mailman.1518.1188458...@rootsweb.com...
>>
>>> What apparently is obvious (and true) I never have scholarly
>>> learned the English language, speaking or writing.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Hilarious!
>>
>> A self-professed Genealogist, working in the English language, who
>> doesn't
>> even understand what a DESCENDANT is....
>>
>> Victoria, it just doesn't get any better than this.
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> DSH
>>
>> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>>
>> Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat
>> opus
>>
>> Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
>>
>>
Volucris
Are you referring to me as a strawman of Leo? Or am I reading to much
in your ramblings?
Hans Vogels
On 30 aug, 11:49, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
> Leo van de Pas" <leovd...@netspeed.com.au> wrote in messagenews:mailman.1518.1188458...@rootsweb.com...
D. Spencer Hines
> What apparently is obvious (and true) I never have scholarly
> learned the English language, speaking or writing. [sic]
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, I fear that's quite obvious, Leo.
A Genealogist, constantly working in the English language, really should
understand what a DESCENDANT is...
Right?
Surely you agree with that simple truth.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Pax et Amicitia
Leo van de Pas
can we expect.
I am still waiting for this sample of an acceptable descendants list without
spouses, as according to Hines there is no room for spouses and they should
not be mentioned together. What will Kuniko think of that? Weird? Peculiar?
But then that are middle names Hines should adopt.
With best wishes from the East Side of Australia
Leo van de Pas
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Counting Descendants
D. Spencer Hines
generation. Apparently you have not grasped that fact. I wonder what Kuniko
thinks about this attitude that spouses "do not belong to a family".
Interesting attitude. De Jure Descendants (spouses) are an essential part
of any family." -- Leo van de Pas
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Leo just keeps wriggling and throwing out red herrings. Also, my wife has
no part in this discussion. He needs to leave her out of it. I'm not
talking about his boyfriends.
1. That's not what Leo originally wrote -- "...belong to a family".
2. THIS is what he wrote:
"A very kind person helped me with information about the Stuyvesant family,
I have digested this and made a file just to see what it brought together
and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst the descendants
of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift, Eleanor Roosevelt, Robert
Traill Spence Lowel IV, Adam von Trott zu Solz (involved in the conspiracy
against Hitler), Princess Maria Antonia de Braganca, Infanta of Portugal,
and many others." -- Leo van de Pas
3. ALL the others named above are allegedly DESCENDANTS of a STUYVESANT.
Kirk Douglas is NOT.
4. Leo doesn't even know what a DESCENDANT is in GENEALOGY!
Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude!
A self-professed Genealogist, constantly working in the English language,
who doesn't even understand what a DESCENDANT is....
Further, Leo is flummoxed, farbissen and farblondjet -- so, he wriggles,
throws out red herring strawmen and tries to move the goal posts.
His latest gaffe is in confusing Howard Dean of Vermont with Tom Kean of New
Jersey.
Victoria, it just doesn't get any better than this.
Enjoy!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
Peter Stewart
Yesterday someone (else?) called D. Spencer Hines wrote:
D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:CPLBi.104$YE3...@eagle.america.net...
> That's really overly harsh.
>
> Why can't we all just get along?
<snip>
> We need to take a more collegial, inclusive attitude and not back-bite or
> kvetch.
>
> DSH
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
> Pax et Amicitia
>
> Peace And Friendship
And who thought it wouldn't last?
Peter Stewart
"D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com> wrote in message
news:S77Ci.145$YE3...@eagle.america.net...
D. Spencer Hines
generation. Apparently you have not grasped that fact. I wonder what Kuniko
thinks about this attitude that spouses "do not belong to a family".
Interesting attitude. De Jure Descendants (spouses) are an essential part
of any family." -- Leo van de Pas
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Leo just keeps wriggling and throwing out red herrings. Also, my WIFE has
no part in this discussion. He needs to leave her out of it. I'm not
talking about his BOYFRIENDS in this venue. But if he wants to open up that
unsavory door to a back room, so be it...
1. That's not what Leo originally wrote -- "...belong to a family".
2. THIS is what he wrote:
"A very kind person helped me with information about the Stuyvesant family,
I have digested this and made a file just to see what it brought together
and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst the descendants
of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift, Eleanor Roosevelt, Robert
Traill Spence Lowel IV, Adam von Trott zu Solz (involved in the conspiracy
against Hitler), Princess Maria Antonia de Braganca, Infanta of Portugal,
and many others." -- Leo van de Pas
3. ALL the others named above are allegedly DESCENDANTS of a STUYVESANT.
Kirk Douglas is NOT.
Let's use a biological example. We have a list of sea animals here -- a
dolphin, an oyster, an octopus, a shark, a crab -- AND then we spot a
PANTHER, the first one on the list.
Kirk Douglas is the PANTHER. -- He doesn't FIT.
Kirk Douglas is NOT a Stuyvesant Descendant, whereas the FIVE others
allegedly ARE Stuyvesant Descendants.
4. Leo doesn't even know what a DESCENDANT is in GENEALOGY!
Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude!
A self-professed Genealogist, constantly working in the English language,
who doesn't even understand what a DESCENDANT is....
Further, Leo is flummoxed, farbissen and farblondjet -- so, he wriggles,
throws out red herring strawmen and tries to move the goal posts.
His latest gaffe is in confusing Howard Dean of Vermont with Tom Kean of New
Jersey.
Victoria, it just doesn't get any better than this.
And he has some sort of fixation on "trhe East Coast of Europe".
What's THAT All About?
WJho...@aol.com
In a message dated 9/1/2007 10:40:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pan...@excelsior.com writes:
Let's use a biological example. We have a list of sea animals here -- a
dolphin, an oyster, an octopus, a shark, a crab -- AND then we spot a
PANTHER, the first one on the list.
-----------------
One of these things is not like the other.
I couldn't resist.
A crab by the way isn't like the other "sea animals" in that its also a land
animal at times.
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Leo van de Pas
that my interpretation of "Amongst descendants" is perfectly acceptable.
Again your whinging about the mentioning about your wife is pitiful. You are
the one who brought in my niece and Peter Stewart's relatives. You wouldn't
be aiming at a double standard? What is good for the goose is good for the
gander.
Talking about fixation, who keeps on about "Amongst descendants"? After
Peter Stewart's remarks are you going to admit that you are wrong? Or are
you continuing to screw that pooch?
Tell me who is Thomas Howard Dean? You seem to know him?
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
> Let's use a biological example. We have a list of sea animals here -- a
> dolphin, an oyster, an octopus, a shark, a crab -- AND then we spot a
> PANTHER, the first one on the list.
>
> Kirk Douglas is the PANTHER. -- He doesn't FIT.
>
> Kirk Douglas is NOT a Stuyvesant Descendant, whereas the FIVE others
> allegedly ARE Stuyvesant Descendants.
>
> 4. Leo doesn't even know what a DESCENDANT is in GENEALOGY!
>
> Hilarius Magnus Cum Laude!
>
> A self-professed Genealogist, constantly working in the English language,
> who doesn't even understand what a DESCENDANT is....
>
> Further, Leo is flummoxed, farbissen and farblondjet -- so, he wriggles,
> throws out red herring strawmen and tries to move the goal posts.
>
> His latest gaffe is in confusing Howard Dean of Vermont with Tom Kean of
> New
> Jersey.
>
> Victoria, it just doesn't get any better than this.
>
> And he has some sort of fixation on "trhe East Coast of Europe".
>
> What's THAT All About?
>
> Enjoy!
>
> DSH
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
> Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus
>
> Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
>
>
D. Spencer Hines
A PANTHER is not a SEA animal by ANY means.
And Kirk Douglas is NOT a Stuyvesant Descendant by any means, whereas the
OTHERS ARE. See Below.
'Nuff Said.
DSH
<WJho...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.1662.1188668...@rootsweb.com...
>
> In a message dated 9/1/2007 10:40:32 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> pan...@excelsior.com writes:
>
> Let's use a biological example. We have a list of sea animals here -- a
> dolphin, an oyster, an octopus, a shark, a crab -- AND then we spot a
> PANTHER, the first one on the list.
>
> -----------------
> One of these things is not like the other.
>
> I couldn't resist.
>
> A crab by the way isn't like the other "sea animals" in that its also a
> land
> animal at times.
"Amongst descendants" belong spouses, as otherwise there would be no next
generation. Apparently you have not grasped that fact. I wonder what Kuniko
thinks about this attitude that spouses "do not belong to a family".
Interesting attitude. De Jure Descendants (spouses) are an essential part
of any family." -- Leo van de Pas
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Leo just keeps wriggling and throwing out red herrings. Also, my WIFE has
no part in this discussion. He needs to leave her out of it. I'm not
talking about his BOYFRIENDS in this venue. But if he wants to open up that
unsavory door to a back room, so be it...
1. That's not what Leo originally wrote -- "...belong to a family".
2. THIS is what he wrote:
"A very kind person helped me with information about the Stuyvesant family,
I have digested this and made a file just to see what it brought together
and it is quite amazing (to me) who are to be found amongst the descendants
of this family. Kirk Douglas, Montgomery Clift, Eleanor Roosevelt, Robert
Traill Spence Lowel IV, Adam von Trott zu Solz (involved in the conspiracy
against Hitler), Princess Maria Antonia de Braganca, Infanta of Portugal,
and many others." -- Leo van de Pas
3. ALL the others named above are allegedly DESCENDANTS of a STUYVESANT.
Kirk Douglas is NOT.
Let's use a biological example. We have a list of sea animals here -- a
dolphin, an oyster, an octopus, a shark, a crab -- AND then we spot a
PANTHER, the first one on the list.
Kirk Douglas is the PANTHER. -- He doesn't FIT.
D. Spencer Hines
First it was Kirk Douglas as a Stuyvesant Descendant, then it was "trhe East
Coast of Europe" -- now it is THOMAS HOWARD DEAN.
Leo the Flake is the only one here to have mentioned an alleged _Thomas
Howard Dean_, not I.
My original post is quoted in its entirety below.
Leo The Flake, who has tripped himself up in his own slippery red herrings
and fallen with a resounding thud on his large kawumpus, needs to:
Read, Mark, Learn & Inwardly Digest.
Leo The Flake has one, among several, very nasty and meretricious
traits ---- he makes INSINUATIONS and ACCUSATIONS about what I have written,
but is too much of a COWARD to quote me DIRECTLY, CORRECTLY and VERBATIM --
because he knows he'd look like an even BIGGER FOOL if he dared to do so.
'Nuff Said.
For the nonce, I leave Leo The Flake to play with his BOYFRIENDS, whatever
games they choose to play today -- a Sunday in Australia -- perhaps a Black
Mass on the altar, stickfinger among the bushes in the park, hide the salami
in the back bedroom -- use your imagination.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
"Leo van de Pas" <leov...@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.1664.1188670...@rootsweb.com...
> Tell me who is Thomas Howard Dean? You seem to know him?
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com>
Newsgroups: alt.history.british,soc.genealogy.medieval,soc.history.medieval
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: Fraud Most Foul
> Fraud Most Foul is a bit too severe...
>
> But has Leo screwed the pooch here and confused Howard Dean with the
> former Governor of New Jersey, Tom Kean?
>
> DSH
>
> Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
>
> "Leo van de Pas" <leov...@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
> news:mailman.1617.1188595...@rootsweb.com...
>
> When I realised how many of her descendants were also Stuyvesant
> descendants, this rekindled my interest into her descendants. At the
> moment I have 820 descendants of Anneke Jans in my system.
>
> Amongst the interesting descendants I can find...
>
> Thomas Howard Dean, Governor of New Jersey [sic]
Leo The Flake...
Hoist With His Own Petar Yet Again!
KAWHOMP!
KERSPLAT!
Leo van de Pas
You are just showing what kind of sick puppy you are. They say that
opposites attract, therefor I am presuming that Kuniko is a very kind and
sensible person, no wonder you share your drivel with Victoria, whoever she
is.
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com>
Newsgroups: alt.history.british, sci.military.naval,
soc.culture.scottish,soc.genealogy.medieval, soc.history.medieval,
us.military.army
To: <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: Counting Descendants
D. Spencer Hines
Leo prefers to hang out with his boyfriends and his niece.
DSH
"Leo van de Pas" <leov...@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.1667.1188683...@rootsweb.com...
> Spencer,
>
> You are just showing what kind of sick puppy you are. They say that
> opposites attract, therefor I am presuming that Kuniko is a very kind and
> sensible person, no wonder you share your drivel with Victoria, whoever
> she is.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.history.british, sci.military.naval,
> soc.culture.scottish,soc.genealogy.medieval, soc.history.medieval,
> us.military.army
> To: <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 5:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Counting Descendants
>
>> What is Leo The Flake babbling about now?
>>
>> First it was Kirk Douglas as a Stuyvesant Descendant, then it was "trhe
>> East Coast of Europe" -- now it is THOMAS HOWARD DEAN.
Leo The Flake, hoist with his own petar re THOMAS HOWARD DEAN.
Hilarious!
>> Leo the Flake is the only one here to have mentioned an alleged _Thomas
>> Howard Dean_, not I.
>>
>> My original post is quoted in its entirety below.
>>
>> Leo The Flake, who has tripped himself up in his own slippery red
>> herrings
>> and fallen with a resounding thud on his large kawumpus, needs to:
>>
>> Read, Mark, Learn & Inwardly Digest.
>>
>> Leo The Flake has one, among several, very nasty and meretricious
>> traits ---- he makes INSINUATIONS and ACCUSATIONS about what I have
>> written, but is too much of a COWARD to quote me DIRECTLY,
>> CORRECTLY and VERBATIM -- because he knows he'd look like
>> an even BIGGER FOOL if he dared to do so.
>>
>> 'Nuff Said.
Yep, he came a cropper on that one too. He simply can't come up with a
verbatim quotation from me that proves his point. So, he runs for the tall
grass.
Leo van de Pas
a much more fixed fixation on homosexuality, I am not the first one to
remark on that. It seems he has a secret desire but is too much of a coward
to indulge. This surprises me, as in general sailors have the reputation to
indulge on both sides of the fence, but then has our housing officer ever
been _a real_ sailor? I start to doubt it.
This is what I referred to, Hines can't help himself, he thinks he is so
clever and humerous, but he isn't. And, sickly, he thinks he should have the
last word. Just for once, have the sense and stop with _your_ fixation on
me.
----- Original Message -----
From: "D. Spencer Hines" <pan...@excelsior.com>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-me...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Counting Descendants
Leo van de Pas
D. Spencer Hines
Well, it took many sharp blows upside the head with my trusty 2 by 4 to
bring Leo around to SEEING THE LIGHT...
Of course he is still FAR too cowardly and duplicitous to admit it publicly.
But Leo has FINALLY twigged to the fact that he needs to write MICHAEL
DOUGLAS in the list of alleged DESCENDANTS below NOT KIRK DOUGLAS.
Mission (Partially) Accomplished.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
"Leo van de Pas" <leov...@netspeed.com.au> wrote in message
news:mailman.1670.1188693...@rootsweb.com...
At the moment I have only 866 descendants, even though millions are claimed.
Like what happened to Kenau Simonsdr. Hasselaer in The Netherlands, the
descendants of Anneke Jans gave her a reputation, her reputation was being
descended from William the Silent even though no evidence has ever been
produced.
However it is the descendants that are varied and fascinating. To begin with
a list of interesting descendants (which has grown)
Philip Livingston Jr, Signer of the declaration of Independence
William Livingston, 1st Governor of New Jersey
Henry Brockholst Livingston, US Supreme Court Justice
Herman Melville
Louisa May Alcott
Henry Fonda
Eleanor Roosevelt
Floyd Delafield Crosby, cinematographer
Thomas Howard Kean, Governor of New Jersey
Adam von Trott zu Solz
Jane Fonda
Peter Fonda
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Peter Stewart
> Excellent!
>
> Well, it took many sharp blows upside the head with my trusty 2 by 4 to
> bring Leo around to SEEING THE LIGHT...
>
> Of course he is still FAR too cowardly and duplicitous to admit it
> publicly.
>
> But Leo has FINALLY twigged to the fact that he needs to write MICHAEL
> DOUGLAS in the list of alleged DESCENDANTS below NOT KIRK DOUGLAS.
>
> Mission (Partially) Accomplished.
>
> DSH
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
> Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
This is Narcissistic Personality Disorder, served neat.
Leo has posted a "list of interesting descendants", quite a different
statement from his last one about people found "amongst descendants". The
wilful misreading of this by Hines, forgetting the example of "a house
amongst trees", was proof of nothing but his own blinkered pedantry.
But harping about his phoney "mission...accomplished" is even more idiotic
than his Republican idol George W. Bush making a similarly risible claim
about the US mission in Iraq.
Peter Stewart