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Bronwen Edwards
Jan 20, 2014, 7:13:21 PM1/20/14
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Dorcas Sydney (d. 1606) was the mother of Mabel Cosbie (1598-1632), wife of George Hartpole, Esq. of Shrule (d. 1632). Dorcas married Alexander Cosbie of Stradbally Abbey, co. Laios, who was killed in the 1596 Battle of Stradbally Bridge. His mother was Mary Seymour (d. 1570), daughter of the Duke of Somerset - thus it would appear that they were of some ranking in some way. Burke's Commoners stated that Dorcas was maid in waiting to Elizabeth I (it actually said "maid of honour" but no wedding on the part of the queen is implied). I have been trying to find something of Dorcas' ancestry. Her father is said to be William Sydney of Otford, Kent, and her mother is only known as Elizabeth. I have searched in the usual places without success. If anyone has worked with this family I would be grateful for any direction in which to go. I am intrigued that her mother-in-law was the daughter of a duke and can't help but wonder if she was connected to the Sydney family that was of some importance in the Tudor era and included names such as Walsingham. It is also noted that her father-in-law, Francis Cosbie, was executed in 1580 for the killing of Richard Burke of Castleconnell. Thank you in advance, Bronwen
al...@mindspring.com
Jan 21, 2014, 6:55:13 AM1/21/14
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On Monday, January 20, 2014 7:13:21 PM UTC-5, Bronwen Edwards wrote:
> Dorcas Sydney (d. 1606) was the mother of Mabel Cosbie (1598-1632), wife of George Hartpole, Esq. of Shrule (d. 1632). Dorcas married Alexander Cosbie of Stradbally Abbey, co. Laios, who was killed in the 1596 Battle of Stradbally Bridge. His mother was Mary Seymour (d. 1570), daughter of the Duke of Somerset - thus it would appear that they were of some ranking in some way. Burke's Commoners stated that Dorcas was maid in waiting to Elizabeth I (it actually said "maid of honour" but no wedding on the part of the queen is implied). I have been trying to find something of Dorcas' ancestry. Her father is said to be William Sydney of Otford, Kent, and her mother is only known as Elizabeth. I have searched in the usual places without success. If anyone has worked with this family I would be grateful for any direction in which to go. I am intrigued that her mother-in-law was the daughter of a duke and can't help but wonder if she was connected to the Sydney family that was of some importance in the Tudor era and included names such as Walsingham. It is also noted that her father-in-law, Francis Cosbie, was executed in 1580 for the killing of Richard Burke of Castleconnell. Thank you in advance, Bronwen
There are a number of posts here (Brad Verity, Paul Reed) about the mother of Alexander. His mother was Elizabeth Palmes not Mary Seymour.
> Dorcas Sydney (d. 1606) was the mother of Mabel Cosbie (1598-1632), wife of George Hartpole, Esq. of Shrule (d. 1632). Dorcas married Alexander Cosbie of Stradbally Abbey, co. Laios, who was killed in the 1596 Battle of Stradbally Bridge. His mother was Mary Seymour (d. 1570), daughter of the Duke of Somerset - thus it would appear that they were of some ranking in some way. Burke's Commoners stated that Dorcas was maid in waiting to Elizabeth I (it actually said "maid of honour" but no wedding on the part of the queen is implied). I have been trying to find something of Dorcas' ancestry. Her father is said to be William Sydney of Otford, Kent, and her mother is only known as Elizabeth. I have searched in the usual places without success. If anyone has worked with this family I would be grateful for any direction in which to go. I am intrigued that her mother-in-law was the daughter of a duke and can't help but wonder if she was connected to the Sydney family that was of some importance in the Tudor era and included names such as Walsingham. It is also noted that her father-in-law, Francis Cosbie, was executed in 1580 for the killing of Richard Burke of Castleconnell. Thank you in advance, Bronwen
Doug Smith
al...@mindspring.com
Jan 21, 2014, 7:12:11 AM1/21/14
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See John Nichols, The Gentleman's Magazine, Volume 151, p 214 for that Sydney family:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Na3PAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA214&lpg=PA214&dq=William+Sydney+Elizabeth+Otford+Kent&source=bl&ots=RntXVF7mI7&sig=B6w7-rT_ZGejfVACld3SgL-MME8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0GHeUuKXEo2ysASwoYBo&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=William%20Sydney%20Elizabeth%20Otford%20Kent&f=false
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http://books.google.com/books?id=Na3PAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA214&lpg=PA214&dq=William+Sydney+Elizabeth+Otford+Kent&source=bl&ots=RntXVF7mI7&sig=B6w7-rT_ZGejfVACld3SgL-MME8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0GHeUuKXEo2ysASwoYBo&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=William%20Sydney%20Elizabeth%20Otford%20Kent&f=false
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Bronwen Edwards
Jan 21, 2014, 2:57:38 PM1/21/14
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Thank you, guys. I see that the Mary Seymour connection is false but, golly, it's painful to throw out a night's work on gathering her pedigree! This all leaves the original question, apparently unsolved by this group in the early posts, of who my Dorcas Sydney was. My connection to her is through Mabel Cosby's marriage to George Hartpole. Their son, Sir Robert Hartpole, married (?Bridget) Domville. Their daughter was Domville Hartpole (d. c.1735) who was the wife of Captain Piers Butler of Newtown & Urlingford. Their son, Captain Edmond Butler of Newtown & Borrismore, married Anne Skellern. Their daughter, Bridget Butler, married Theobald "Big Toby" Butler of Drom. And so on down to me about 8 generations later. Now to unravel the Cosbys if I can't find the Sydneys! Thanks again, Bronwen (sorry to let the post ooze out of the late medieval period)
Bronwen Edwards
Jan 21, 2014, 4:17:15 PM1/21/14
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Hello again. In looking at a different issue of the Gentlemans Magazine (Vol 151), I stitched together a provisional pedigree for Dorcas Sydney. However, it is not easy to wade through the verbiage (at least not for me, this morning, with my eyes). I'll try it out in erasable ink:
Dorcas, sole dau. and heiress of William Sydney, holder of lands in co. Queens.
This William the son of Humfrey Sydney and Elizabeth Lewknor, daughter of Thomas Lewknor, son of Sir Thomas Lewknor who was alive in 1446. Humfrey Sydney the son of William Sydney, apprentice to the law, and NN FitzHamon. This William the son of William Sydney, Lord of Kingesham by Chichester, and Isabella/Elizabeth St. John. She is stated to be the second of three wives, the first wife called a "great heiress".
Does any of this hold together? Thank you, Bronwen
Dorcas, sole dau. and heiress of William Sydney, holder of lands in co. Queens.
This William the son of Humfrey Sydney and Elizabeth Lewknor, daughter of Thomas Lewknor, son of Sir Thomas Lewknor who was alive in 1446. Humfrey Sydney the son of William Sydney, apprentice to the law, and NN FitzHamon. This William the son of William Sydney, Lord of Kingesham by Chichester, and Isabella/Elizabeth St. John. She is stated to be the second of three wives, the first wife called a "great heiress".
Does any of this hold together? Thank you, Bronwen
al...@mindspring.com
Jan 21, 2014, 5:14:30 PM1/21/14
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Doug Smith
al...@mindspring.com
Jan 21, 2014, 5:16:46 PM1/21/14
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From: John Higgins
Subject: Re: William Sidney (d.1449) of Kingsham, Sussex and Cranley, Surrey
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