De Iryshe Medieval Line
Stefan Ramonat
Could someone please check this line from the crusader Sir Adam De
Ireys to John Irish the immigrant? It is directly taken from
"Descendants of John Irish the Immigrant 1629 - 1963 and Related
Familes" by Willis Luther Irish and Stella Bertha (Putnam) Irish
(Published 1964). It is taken from pages 8 to 9
1. Sir Adam de Ireys, born about 1070, was the earliest known
ancestor. He accompanied Godfrey of Bouillon to the Holy Land on the
First Crusade, and had an active part in the taking of Jerusalem in
1099. During the Crusade, he slew a Saracen leader of high rank,
severing his head from his body by one blow of his sword. For his
service in the Crusade, he was knighted and given the right to a Coat
of Arms. Sir Adam was a member of the Knights of St. John of
Jerusalem, which was organized about 1100, to care for the wounded
soldiers at Jerusalem and other places in the Holy Land (Ref. 2)
"Adam de Ireys was with Godfrey de Bouillon at Aescalon". (Ref. 3.)
The battle of Aescalon, Southwest of Jerusalem, was fought in 1099
resulting in the Moslems being defeated by Godfrey of Bouillon. The
first time the name appears in the "Domes Day Book" was during the
reign of Henry I (1100-1135). Adam de Ireys is mentioned as a witness
to certain land grants. (Ref. 1) Sir Adam de Ireys married Joan
Stutville.
2. Hugh D'Iryshe, born about 1115, married Gertrude Tidial (Tiliol),
of an ancient and noble family.
3. Edmund D'ryshe, born about 1150, accompanied Richard the
Lion-Hearted on the Third Crusade (1189-1192) and died near Jerusalem.
It was he who was awarded the St. Georges Cross which appears on the
shield of the family Coat of Arms. Edmund married a daughter of
Randolph Dudley of Yarwick, Warwick County.
There were three other traces of the IRISH line at this time:
1. Sir Geffery de Ireys, of Ireys, in the time of Henry II.
(1154-1189).
2. Richard Iryshe (probably a close relative of Edmund), who also
accompanied Richard the Lion-Hearted on the Third Crusade. (Ref.
1).
3. The transfer of one virgate of land from Thomas de Ireys to
Robert Arundel, in the year 1206. (Ref. 7)
4. Stephen D'Iryshe, born about 1180, married Joan Dacre. They had two
sons, Randolph and Roger. Randolph became Bishop of Carlisle (about
1220), then later died. Roger succeeded him as the Bishop.
5. Roger Iryshe, born about 1210. He was Bishop of Carlisle after his
brother, Randolph died. Roger had a son, William.
6. William Iryshe, born about 1240; married Grace Hammer of
Flintshire, North Wales.
7. Roger Irishe, born about 1270, and living in 1317, married Susannah
Braithwaite, daughter of Sir John Braithwaite, of Unthank.
8. Adam Irishe, born about 1300, married Hester Copeland, daughter and
heiress of Sir Robert Copeland of Berkeley, Staffordshire, Somerset
County, and had two sons, – the older one being Richard.
9. Richard Irishe, born about 1330, married Margaret Broughton,
daughter of John Broughton of Staffordshire.
10. Christopher Irishe, of Ireys, born about 1360, married Matilda
Redman (Redman), daughter of Richard Ridman (Redman) of Sherwood
Castle in Dorset County.
11. Nathaniel Irishe, of Ireys, born about 1390, married Mary Dykes,
the daughter of William Dykes of Wardell.
12. John Irishe, born about 1420, died about 1470; living at the time
of Edward the IVth., (1461-1482); married Ann Lamplaugh, daughter of
Sir Thomas Lamplaugh of Doverly Castle. They had several daughters and
one son, William.
13. William Irishe, born about 1450, died about 1493; was an aide to
the Duke of Gloucester in 1493. He married a daughter of Fleming of
Rydell.
14. Sir William Irishe, born about 1480, was knighted from the Earl of
Surrey after the battle of Flodden Field, England, on September 9,
1513. He was killed at Kelso, Scotland, in l513 at the time that
Surrey was restored. Sir William Irishe is responsible for the twelve
billets on the shield of the family Coat of Arms.
15. John Irishe, born about 1500, died about 1531; married Ann
Middleton, daughter of William Middleton, of Stokeld, Dorsetshire. He
was High Sheriff of Dorsetshire in the 22nd year of the reign of Henry
VIII (1531). Thus he served in the public service of England.
16. Charles Irishe, born about 1525; married in 1545, Eleanor Mallory,
daughter of Sir William Mallory of Malpas, Chestershire. (Ref. 1 & 2)
17. Jonathan Irishe, of Ireys, born about 1560, married Elizabeth
Kirby, daughter of Gilbert Kirby of Gillcross. This Jonathan is the
direct ancestor of the John Irish, who came to Plymouth, Massachusetts
in 1629 and the James Irish, who came to Gorham, Maine in 1710. (Ref.
5)
18. John Irish, born about 1600 in the parish of Clisdon, County of
Somerset, England; died in 1677. He married Elizabeth Risley, who died
August 28, 1687. John was the first of the family in America. He was
living in Duxbury, Plymouth Colony, Massachusetts in 1629. He came to
Plymouth with John Bradford, the son of the Governor of Plymouth
Colony, William Bradford. He was of considerable note in Duxbury, as
a surveyor of lands. He left much property in Seaconnet, Rhode
Island. He was a volunteer for the Pequot War (1633-1637). They had
two sons, – John and Elias.
The following sources are given for this discent:
Harleian Manuscripts found in the British Museum.
Page 247, Fisher's Outline of Universal History
History of Hampshire, England, by Page
Page 19 in the Bowler Family Genealogy.
Stefan Ramonat
mhol...@mac.com
II:1068: "In the 1991 volume George E. Irish reaches several dubious
conclusions, a number of which are overturned in the Supplement. In
particular, his proposed parentage for the immigrant is shown in the
Supplement to be incorrect. The Supplement shows that a pedigree
supposedly taking the Irish family back to the time of William the
Conquereror was created out of thin air by changing the family name on
a pedigree of the Irton family."
Sorry. John Irish of Duxbury's origins are unknown, his parents
unknown, and his wife's maiden name is also unknown.
WJho...@aol.com
sjra...@gmail.com writes:
>
> 4. Stephen D'Iryshe, born about 1180,
> 5. Roger Iryshe, born about 1210.
> 6. William Iryshe, born about 1240;
> 7. Roger Irishe, born about 1270,
> 8. Adam Irishe, born about 1300,
> 9. Richard Irishe, born about 1330,
> 10. Christopher Irishe, of Ireys, born about 1360,
> 11. Nathaniel Irishe, of Ireys, born about 1390,
> 12. John Irishe, born about 1420,
> 13. William Irishe, born about 1450,
> 14. Sir William Irishe, born about 1480,
To believe that 11 generations were all born exactly 30 years apart tests the
limits of incredulity. Hopefully you can see that, and see through this
fictitious lineage.
Will
teiri...@gmail.com
taf
> 1. Sir Adam de Ireys, born about 1070, was the earliest known
> ancestor. He accompanied Godfrey of Bouillon to the Holy Land
> on the First Crusade, and had an active part in the taking of
> Jerusalem in 1099. During the Crusade, he slew a Saracen
> leader of high rank, severing his head from his body by one
> blow of his sword. For his service in the Crusade, he was
> knighted and given the right to a Coat of Arms.
> The first time the name appears in the "Domes Day Book" was
> during the reign of Henry I (1100-1135).
> Adam de Ireys is
> mentioned as a witness to certain land grants. (Ref. 1) Sir
> Adam de Ireys married Joan Stutville.
> 2. Hugh D'Iryshe, born about 1115, married Gertrude Tidial
> (Tiliol), of an ancient and noble family.
> 3. Edmund D'ryshe, born about 1150, accompanied Richard the
> Lion-Hearted on the Third Crusade (1189-1192) and died near
> Jerusalem. It was he who was awarded the St. Georges Cross
> which appears on the shield of the family Coat of Arms.
> Edmund married a daughter of Randolph Dudley of Yarwick,
> Warwick County.
I am not going to go through the rest of it, I have seen enough. The genealogical details are not referenced to contemporary material, while the biographical details are confused/dubious. Unfortunately, your source is not adequately trustworthy to be accepted.
taf