MARJORIE NATURAL DAUG OF ALEXANDER11 OF SCOTLAND

[Nsulis]

MARJORIE MARRIED ALAN DURWARD AND HAD A DAUGHTER ERMENGARDE WHO MARRIED A --DE
SOULES THEY HAD A SON NICHOLAS DE SOULES

SEEKING INFORMATION ON THESE PEOPLE AND ANY DESCENDENTS

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In a message dated 11/7/1999 7:58:06 PM EDT, nsu...@home.com writes:

> MARJORIE MARRIED ALAN DURWARD AND HAD A DAUGHTER ERMENGARDE WHO MARRIED A --
> DE
> SOULES THEY HAD A SON NICHOLAS DE SOULES
>

He was known as Nicholas de Soules (or Soulis) the competitor. He married a
daughter of Alexander Comyn, Earl of Buchan and Elizabeth de Quincy.

What is the connection between Nicholas de Soules and William de Soules,
Constable of Scotland, last vestige of the pro-Comyn faction in Scotland in
1321
and signer of the Declaration of Arbroath?

Sincerely,
MichaelAnne

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The Soulis family history is discussed in an article by Thomas M'Michael
entitled "The Feudal Family of de Soulis" Article 16 in Transactions of the
Dumfriesshire & Galloway Natural History & Antiquarian Society, XXVI
(1947/48) 3rd Series, pp.163-193. There are some puzzles in this account
over the marriage(s) of Sir John Soulis. I have extracted the pedigree as
follows:
_____________________________ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
RANDOLPH (I) William Juliana oo NN
d.<1170 | |
pincerna regis | |
________________|_____________ |
RANDOLPH (II) Richard William de Haya
d.1208 pincerna regis

FULCO d.<1243 (? <1223)
pincerna regis
|
|
NICHOLAS (I) d.1264 at Rouen, p.r.
oo Annora dau./coheir John de Normanville
___________________________________|_____________________________________
Sir WILLIAM (I) p.r. Sir John (I) Sir Thomas d.1300/04
d.< Nov 1293 oo d.<1311;[oo1 Hawise oo Alicia dau./heir
Ermengarde dau./heir sister of Sir James John de Mulcastre &
Alan Durward by Margery FitzAlan Steward of niece/heir Benedict de
natural dau. of k. Scotland] oo?2 Mulcastre lord of
Alexander II Margaret wid. of Hugh Cockermouth
| de Peresby & dau./heir
| Merleswain lord of
| Ardross & Innergelly in
| Fife (she survived her
| 2nd husband)
| |
NICHOLAS (II) d.1296 [by 1] Muriella oo Richard
oo Margaret dau. lord Lovel
Alexander Comyn earl
of Buchan
____|____________________________________________
WILLIAM (II) d.1320/21 Sir John (II) d.1318

CP VIII:206 indicates the mother of Muriel was Hawise sister of James
Steward of Scotland. M'Michael indicates only one marriage (that to
Margaret dau. of Merleswain). Richard Lovel was probably born before May
1291 (his father Hugh died before that date and Richard was a minor). Sir
John (I) was his first guardian. Sir John's marriage to Margaret probably
took place about 1292/93. My guess is that Hawise was Sir John's first wife.

The capitalised names indicate succession. The royal butlership (pincerna
regis) became hereditary in the family with Fulco (who was certainly dead
by 1243 and may have died before 1223). The relationship between Fulco and
his predecessor, Randolph (II) is not known.

William (II) was the Arbroath Declaration man.

I hope this is of some help and interest.