Philip Mowbray, Gov. of Stirling Castle
Don Duncan
the battle of Bannockburn, known?
I've looked through my copy of "The Edinburgh History of Scotland" vol. 2 by
Nicholson, I've have read through many web sites on the subject, I've googled
both the archives of this group and generally on the internet, and have come
up short. There is complete agreement that Philip Mowbray (generally not
referred to, apparently, as Philip de Mowbray) was the governor, and his
famous pact with Edward Bruce to delay the surrender of the castle is well
documented. I just can't figure out how he connects to the larger Mowbray
family. Can anyone help?
Thanks,
Don Duncan
John P. Ravilious
Dear Don,
I have not found a direct link between the English and Scots
Mowbray (or Moubray) families; possibly another example of the
many disconnected, vs. the few (Bruce for one) where the connections
are known. Following is what little I've developed concerning the
descent and relationships of the Moubrays of Barnbougle, &c.
The most intriguing individual to me is Sir Roger de Moubray
[1.1.1.1.1.2.2 below], who had a dispensation to marry Margaret
de Abernethy in 1313. Whether the marriage occurred or not, I
do not know. The relationship between this family and the
Abernethys is not resolved - possibly a relationship through the
Comyns. Should anyone have a solution (conjectured or otherwise)
as to this relationship, I would be glad to hear of it.
Cheers,
John
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1 Waltheof (Waldeve) of Dunbar
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Death: aft 1125
Occ: lord of Allerdale
Father: Gospatric, earl of Northumbria [Earl of March 1072-1075]
Mother: NN
lord of Papcastle (Allerdale below Derwent), Cumberland
'In the reign of Henry I Waldeve held a small part
of Egremont from William le Meschin. This later
became the honour of Cockermouth' (Sanders, p. 134)[1]
cf. SP III:243-4[2]
Associated with: NN [not married]
Children: Gospatric (->1139)
Other Spouses: Sigrid [mother of Gunnhild of Allerdale, &c.]
1.1 Gospatric of Dunbar
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Death: aft 16 Aug 1139[3]
of Bolton, Bassenthwaite and Derwentwater, co. Cumbs.[2]
illegitimate son [Bain II:16[4]]
witness (together with his half-brother Alan) to a charter of King
David of Scots, 16 Aug 1139 [Durham, Misc. Charter 571[3];
SP III:244, cites Raine's North Durham, Ap. Nos. xix, xx[2]]
Children: Waldeve (->1186)
1.1.1 Waldeve fitz Gospatric
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Death: aft 1186[5]
of Bolton and Bassenthwaite, co. Cumbs.
record from the Pipe Rolls, 32 Hen. III (1186):
' Waldeve son of Gospatric renders account of 40s. for a
disseizin. He has paid it into the treasury and is quit. '
[VCH I:359[5], extract from Pipe Roll 32 Hen. II, Roll 7, mem. 1d]
granted the church of Bassenthwaite, co. Cumbs. to the monks of
Jedburgh [SP III:244-5[2]]
Children: Christiana, m. Duncan de Lascelles
Galiena
1.1.1.1 Galiena 'filia Waldevi'
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coheir of her father
her lands included Inverkeithing and Balmeny
cf. SP III:245[2]
Spouse: Philip de Moubray
Children: Roger (->1233)
1.1.1.1.1 Roger de Moubray
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Death: aft 1233[2]
of Barnbougle, Inverkeithing and Balmeny
confirmed a grant of his grandfather Waldeve of the church of
Dalmeny to the monks of Jedburgh, after 1233 [SP III:245, cites
Gen. Reg. House, No. 34[2]]
Children: Roger (-<1268)
Geoffrey (->1296) [see below, 1.1.1.1.1.2]
1.1.1.1.1.1 Roger de Moubray
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Death: bef 23 Jan 1268[6]
' Roger de Mubray ', one of the jurors who [together with Earl of
Strathern, Robert de Brus, William, son of Earl Patric, William
Giffard, Roger de Mubray, John de Keht, Nes Fraser, Laurence
Fraser, Robert de Mubray, David de Graham, William, son of the
Earl, Adam de Gordun, Alan de Sayncleir, Thomas de Normanville,
Walran his brother, John de Hirdmanistone, David Olifard, William
de Baillol, Simon Lokkard, and others] supported Patrick, Earl of
Dunbar in his oath (together with Walter Comyn, Earl of Menteith)
before King Henry III of England, 'Circa 1244' :
' 2671. The form of oath taken by the Earls Patric, and Walter
Cumin, viz., that they were neither of counsel or aid, when on
their part any people were sent to attack or lay waste the K.
of England's land in Ireland, or elsewhere, to the K.'s dishonour;
nor ever received any of his enemies, especially William de
Mariscis and his son.' [Bain, I:551-3[4]]
- probably ca. 14 Aug 1244, when the Treaty of Newcastle between
Alexander II of Scots and Henry III of England resolved the
dispute [DNB I:263[7]]
Spouse: Cristiana Fraser
Father: Sir Bernard Fraser
1.1.1.1.1.2 Geoffrey de Moubray
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Death: aft 27 Apr 1296[8]
of Boulton, co. Cumbs., and of Barnbougle, Inverkeithing and Balmeny
' Dominus Galfridus de Mubray ', held the manor of Boltone,
Cumbs. - order of King Edward I dated at Berwick, 27 Apr 1296
following the siege of Dunbar, that ' No Scotchmen to remain upon
the lands of Scotchmen in England ' [Stevenson II:41,
No. CCCLVIII.] [8]
cf. SP I:507, sub _Comyn, Lord of Badenoch_[2]
Spouse: NN Comyn
Father: Sir John Comyn, lord of Badenoch (->1273)
Mother: Eva
Children: Sir John (->1308)
Sir Roger (->1313) [see below]
Sir Philip [see below]
William
Geoffrey
Alexander (->1314)
1.1.1.1.1.2.1 Sir John de Moubray
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Death: aft 23 May 1308[9],[10]
knt., of Boulton, Cumbs.
sought pardon for Alan de Clavering, granted by King Edward I at
Wolvesey, 27 April 1306:
' Pardon, at the instance of Patrick de Dunbar, earl of March,
Ingram de Umframvill, John de Moubray and Alexander de Abernithi,
to Alan de Clavering, in consideration of the service of Robert
son of Roger, for the death of Roger de Clavering his brother.
By p.s. ' [CPR 34 Edw. I, mem. 26, p. 430[10]]
Chief Guardian of Scotland beyond the Forth [for Edward I of
England], 16 Aug 1308[9]
mainperns William, bishop of St. Andrews, 23 May 1308
[Knights III:223[9], cites CCR]
1.1.1.1.1.2.2 Sir Roger de Moubray
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Death: aft 21 May 1313[11]
dispensation dated at Chateauneuf, 12 Kal. June [21 May] 1313:
' To Roger de Mowbray, knight, and Margaret, daughter of Alexander
de Abirnithine, knight, of the diocese of St. Andrews.
Dispensation to intermarry, they being related to one another
in the fourth degree of kindred. ' [CPL II:116[11]]
allied with Robert the Bruce
1.1.1.1.1.2.3 Sir Philip de Moubray
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of Barnbougle, Inverkeithing and Balmeny
Children: Sir John (-1332)
Philippa
Margaret
1.1.1.1.1.2.3.1 Sir John de Moubray
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Death: 16 Dec 1332, d.s.p.
supporter of Edward Baliol as King of Scotland
slain in battle at Annan
1.1.1.1.1.2.3.2 Philippa de Moubray
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coheiress of her brother
Spouse: Sir Bartholomew de Loen
Children: David
1.1.1.1.1.2.3.2.1 David de Loen
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Spouse: Janet Stewart
Father: Robert Stewart, Duke of Albany (1339-1420)
Mother: Margaret Graham (-~1380)
Marr: aft 20 Jul 1372[12]
1. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and
Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
2. Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., "The Scots Peerage," Edinburgh:
David Douglas, 1904-1914 (9 volumes).
3. "Durham Cathedral Muniments: Miscellaneous Charters," Durham
University Library Archives & Special Collections,
http://flambard.dur.ac.uk:6336/dynaweb/handlist/ddc/dcdmisch/
@Generic__BookTextView/10523
4. Joseph Bain, ed., "Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland,"
Edinburgh: Her Majesty's General Register House, 1881 (Vol. I),
full title: Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland,
Preserved in Her Majesty's Public Record Office, London.
5. "A History of Cumberland," Vol. I, London: Archibald Constable
and Company Limited, Vol. I, Appendix: The Pipe Rolls.
6. Joseph Bain, "Notes on the Trinitarian or Red Friars in Scotland,
and on a Recently Discovered Charter of Alexander III.
Confirming the Foundation of Houstoun by Cristiana Fraser,
widow of Sir Roger de Moubray," Proceedings of the Society
of Antiquaries, 12 December 1887, pp. 26 et seq.
7. "Alexander II, King of Scotland," Dictionary of National
Biography, New York: MacMillan and Co. (London: Smith,
Elder & Co.), Vol. I (1885), pp. 261-264.
8. Joseph Stevenson, "Documents illustrative of the history of
Scotland from the death of King Alexander the Third to the
Accession of Robert Bruce," Edinburgh: H. M. General Register
House, 1870 (Vol. I), 1870 (Vol. II).
9. Rev. Charles Moor, D.D., F.S.A., "Knights of Edward I," Pubs.
of the Harleian Society, 1929-1930, 3 Vols. (Vols. 80-83 in
series).
10. "Calendar of the Patent Rolls," preserved in the Public Record
Office, Edward I. A.D. 1301-1307, London: for the Public
Record Office, 1898, (reprinted 1971, Kraus-Thomson,
Liechtenstein).
11. W. H. Bliss, ed., "Calendar of Entries in the Papal Registers
Relating to Great Britain and Ireland," Papal Letters, Vol. II
(A.D. 1305 - 1342), London: for the Public Record Office, 1895,
(reprinted 1971, Kraus-Thomson, Liechtenstein).
12. William Fraser, "The Red Book of Menteith," Edinburgh: 1880,
.pdf image files provided by Genealogy.com
www.genealogy.com, history and evidences concerning the Earls
and Earldom of Mentieth.
WJho...@aol.com
writes:
<< 1.1.1.1.1.2.3.2.1 David de Loen
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Spouse: Janet Stewart
Father: Robert Stewart, Duke of Albany (1339-1420)
Mother: Margaret Graham (-~1380)
Marr: aft 20 Jul 1372[12] >>
I have these parents Robert and Margaret as m AFT 9 Sep 1361. Margaret
Graham's just previous husband John Drummond of Concraig was yet living in May
1360. So Janet above cannot have been older then ten in 1372.
It would be interesting to try her chronology in further descent, some of
these generations have very large year ranges.
Will Johnson
John P. Ravilious
> In a message dated 2/4/07 3:04:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, ther...@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << 1.1.1.1.1.2.3.2.1 David de Loen
> ----------------------------------------
Exactly so. The text of the marriage contract for David de Loen
and Janet Stewart can be found in Fraser, The Red Book of Menteith II:
258, and is dated 20 July 1372. Not sure if this is accessible via
Google books; however, my notes clearly show Janet was identified as
Robert's legitimate daughter by Margaret Graham; ergo, this was a
marriage contracted by the parents for two minors. Murdoch Stewart is
usually accorded a birthdate of 1362; if this is true, Janet was born
in 1363 or later.
Cheers,
John