Genuine Gateway Ancestors--New France
John P. DuLong
to European royalty. I believe the three best documented ones are for
Catherine Baillon, Jean François de Billy, and Charles de St-Étiene de
La Tour (see René Jetté, _Traité de généalogie_ (Montréal: Les Presses
de l'Unviersité de Montréal, 1991), pp. 112-116 and 586-592, with the
Baillon line corrected in the René Jetté, John P. DuLong, Roland-Yves
Gagné, and Gail F. Moreau, "De Catherine Baillon à Charlemagne,"
_Mémoires de la Société généalogique canadienne-française_ 48 (Autumn
1997): 190-216). Thousands of French Canadians and Acadians in North
America descend from these three people.
In addition, there were many other nobles who came to New France and
left descendants in North America. Some of them might have connections
back to European royalty. For partial lists of these nobles you can
consult Lorrain Gadoury, _La Noblesse de Nouvelle-France, familles et
alliances_ (Québec: Éditions Hurtubise HMH Ltée., 1992), pp. 162-197.
I believe Denis Beauregard's web site has a list of other proven or
suspected royal gateways for French Canada. Denis, I know you read this
list, perhaps you could supply the URL for it.
I suspect over the next few years that French Canadians will discover
some new royal gateways going through the minor nobles and bourgeois who
settled in New France. With so much of our genealogy known in Québec,
published, and computerized, those researchers wanting a challenge now
find themselves digging for their roots in France. Some of these
researchers will probably make additional breakthroughs leading to a
gateway ancestor.
I am familiar with two research projects, one involving the Le Neuf
brothers that I participate on, the other the D'Anglure family, which
are attempting to find royal connections. Although I am skeptical of
the D'Anglure lineage, I am more hopeful for the Le Neuf lineage because
I have seen the progress we have been able to make on that family
(actually through associated maternal lines back in France).
I am optimistic. I just fear the bogus and poorly documented lines that
will emerge, for example, the weak royal claims of the the David and
Leblanc families based on no substantial evidence.
Anyway, any list of Genuine Gateway Ancestors should include those based
in Canada, and dare I add Mexico, since so many Americans now have roots
in these countries. Are there any Mexican gateway ancestors?
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John P. DuLong <dul...@habitant.org> wrote in message
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| There are several lineages found in Québec and Acadia that are
gateways
| to European royalty. I believe the three best documented ones are for
| Catherine Baillon, Jean François de Billy, and Charles de St-Étiene de
| La Tour (see René Jetté, _Traité de généalogie_ (Montréal: Les Presses
| de l'Unviersité de Montréal, 1991), pp. 112-116 and 586-592, with the
| Baillon line corrected in the René Jetté, John P. DuLong, Roland-Yves
| Gagné, and Gail F. Moreau, "De Catherine Baillon à Charlemagne,"
| _Mémoires de la Société généalogique canadienne-française_ 48 (Autumn
| 1997): 190-216). Thousands of French Canadians and Acadians in North
| America descend from these three people.
Who are the most recent French [or other] monarchs from whom these three
persons descend?
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Steven C. Perkins
have been claimed to be Huguenot nobelmen from France, see,
"Historical Southern Families". Both are so listed by the Huguenot
Society.
I have found Tonnelier families in London but not in Yorkshire where
Guillaume Tonnellier supposedly married Lady Ann Howard.
Instead, I have found a marriage in MD of William Tunnell and
Arlantia Howard. William Tunnell is a descendant of Lt. Thomas
Tunnell of Lord Baltimore's guard from the 1650's.
The Brasseur/Brashear family has been claimed to descend from
the Brassier de Jocas family. This has never been proven and
current work says they are not so descended. A Robert Brasseur
was a sailor on an early voyage to VA. The family in VA descends
from Robert Brasseur of Norfolk and Lower Norfolk Co., VA. When
he died, his land escheated and was then granted to his children,
Robert, Benois, and Susannah. Benois went to MD around 1660
and was called "a subject of the King of France" when he got Letters
of Denization" from Lord Baltimore. He is believed to have married
a Mary Richeford or Rickford.
Any info on these families would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Steven C. Perkins
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> There are several lineages found in Québec and Acadia that are
> gateways to European royalty. I believe the three best documented
> ones are for Catherine Baillon, Jean François de Billy, and Charles de
> St-Étiene de La Tour (see René Jetté, _Traité de généalogie_
> (Montréal: Les Presses de l'Unviersité de Montréal, 1991), pp. 112-116
> and 586-592, with the Baillon line corrected in the René Jetté, John
> P. DuLong, Roland-Yves Gagné, and Gail F. Moreau, "De Catherine
> Baillon à Charlemagne," _Mémoires de la Société généalogique
> canadienne-française_ 48 (Autumn 1997): 190-216). Thousands of French
> Canadians and Acadians in North America descend from these three
> people.
>
Steven C. Perkins sper...@rci.rutgers.edu
http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~sperkins/genealogy.html
http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~sperkins/hdtv.html
Josephine Lindsay Bass
Charles Brashear Email: bras...@mail.sdsu.edu Author of " A
BRAZIER/BRASHER SAGA". (Brasher is pronounced BRAY-shur, as well as
BRASH-er.). Ok to write to him if you wish.
my direct line HUGENOTS are:
Jacques BRIAND (BRYANT) (sometimes BRIANT), desc of Stephan, ex-noble
Ministre to La Milliere near Versailles 1678-1685, refuged in Holland and
was present at the Walloon Synode of Rotterdam in 1686. (Isaac and his
wife Marie Benoist were refugees at Broxton, Cheshire, England).
LEFEVER (Isaac was the First Professor of Mathematics and Physics at
William and Mary College, arr. on the Peter & Anthony in 1700.. There is
also an Isaac who came to PA in 1686, don't know if he is related)
GUERRANT - Peter son of Daniel & Marie L"Orange (Of Principality Of
Orange, Just North Of Avignon, France) has been said Peter is desc of Henry
GUERIN (Henri was broken at the wheel in France in 1696 following the
revocation of the Edict of Nantes by Louis XIV.
The Guerin family settled in Anjou, France, between 1520-1550. Guerande,
abt 50 miles west of Nantes and a short distance North of La Baule and west
of St. Nazaire, is an old town with an unbroken line of ramparts from the
14th & 15th centuries. It was once a major political and trading center.
Saintonge is mentioned frequently in Garrison, Janine, "L'Edit de Nantes et
sa Revocation". Following the political assembly of the Huguenots at La
Rochelle in Dec 1620, where the decision was made to take up arms under the
command of de Rohan. In March 1622, the royal army descended upon le
Poitou and la Saintonge.
In 1683, Saintonge remained among the more militant areas. The Huguenots
who left Saintonge before 1685 and in the year following the revocation
went mostly to England.
"The GUERRANTS are the ancient and grand nobility, one of them being among
the 200 chevaliers who defended Mont St. Michel against the English in
1427. This family settled in Anjou France from 1520 - 1550. Its descendants
have continuously occupied the ancient Chateaux fief and lordship of Grand
Lannay (?) whose rule extended over three parishes -- Braine, Carne and
Anderd".
TRABUE - Anthony, Previous accounts of the Trabue family have stated that
Antoine married Magdalene Flournoy, daughter of Jacob Flournoy, in Holland
in 1699. This has been disproved, and is now unacceptable to The Huguenot
Society, as well as current historians. Jacob Flournoy was her
step-father. The account of the maiden name as Flournoy was first given in
The Huguenot V. 5, then changed to the currently acceptable name Verrueil
in The Huguenot V. 24.
Moise VERRUEIL and his family came to Virginia aboard the "Peter and
Anthony" in 1700. The ship passenger lists Moise, his wife, and five
children. He was a French Merchant at Rouen. He was from the canton of
Berne, Switzerland. Son of Jean Vereul & Madelaine Du Fay of Rouen,
Normandy. wife was:
PRODON (PRODHOMME) Madelena, Her father Nicholas Louis m. to Magdalena
TEVENIN, dau of Died in Zuid, Netherlands, body buried in Saint Eloi
quartier,Rouen, 82 years. Parent's name's might be Florentin TEVENIN &
Renee NEPVEU of Rouen (she died years of age in 1634). Magdalene's father
was from the Canton of Berne, Switzerland and her grandfather was a
minister of Lausanne from Rouen, Normandy.
I have these gps back to earl 1500s.
VERSON, DUCHESNE, COUILLARD, NEPVEU, AUBER, ROUSSELIN, BOUCHARD, DONNET
appreciate any info. thanks, josie
At 08:22 AM 10/11/1999 -0400, Steven C. Perkins wrote:
>My best BGAs are Guillaume Tonnellier and Robert Brasseur. Both
>have been claimed to be Huguenot nobelmen from France, see,
>"Historical Southern Families". Both are so listed by the Huguenot
>Society.
>
>I have found Tonnelier families in London but not in Yorkshire where
>Guillaume Tonnellier supposedly married Lady Ann Howard.
>Instead, I have found a marriage in MD of William Tunnell and
>Arlantia Howard. William Tunnell is a descendant of Lt. Thomas
>Tunnell of Lord Baltimore's guard from the 1650's.
>
>The Brasseur/Brashear family has been claimed to descend from
>the Brassier de Jocas family. This has never been proven and
>current work says they are not so descended. A Robert Brasseur
>was a sailor on an early voyage to VA. The family in VA descends
>from Robert Brasseur of Norfolk and Lower Norfolk Co., VA. When
>he died, his land escheated and was then granted to his children,
>Robert, Benois, and Susannah. Benois went to MD around 1660
>and was called "a subject of the King of France" when he got Letters
>of Denization" from Lord Baltimore. He is believed to have married
>a Mary Richeford or Rickford.
>
>Any info on these families would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Steven C. Perkins
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