Montagu (Montacuto) In Britian pre 1066
Karen Repko
I am hoping that someone from gen-med can help me prove a point.
The topic is pre norman conquest, and wether there were Montagus in
england prior to the year 1066.
I have been challenged by a somewhat rude family historian, who
argues that the first Montagus in england were really from Ireland.
Now, this is a new one on me, so I am hoping that someone in the
group can help me on this one. I have never heard of this, has anyone
else?
Cheers,
Karen
D. Spencer Hines
Put the Burden of Proof on HIM ---- where it belongs.
Let's see his evidence.
You have NO responsibility to DISPROVE what he says.
_Au contraire_, HE has the responsibility to PROVE it.
CP IX, sub nomine Montagu, does not take the approach your respondent
seems to be following.
But, what you have told us is so vague and untextured ---- it's
difficult to tell.
HE has the responsibility for clarifying the vagueness, if possible ----
not YOU.
Deus Vult.
"Have you ever heard of Harry Houdini? Well, he wasn't like today's
magicians only interested in television ratings. He was an artist. He
could make an elephant disappear in a theater filled with people. And
do you know how he did that?"
"Misdirection." -- Gabriel [John Travolta]
"What the [----] are you talking about?" -- Stanley [Hugh Jackman]
"Misdirection."
"What the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes." -- Gabriel
[John Travolta]
"Swordfish" [2001] -- Directed By Dominic Sena -- Written By Skip Woods
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"Karen Repko" <kar...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Sutliff
Don't allow this guy to upset you. He has clearly created a delusional
ancestry which he believes. Unfortunately what he has placed on his web site
is not grounded in much reality or truth. It is so bad, I wouldn't know
where to begin.
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/5550/descend/montague.htm
As surnames were uncommon before the 12th century, the very suggestion of a
Scandinavian Montagu family in the sixth century is not based in reality.
Several names like Robert, Earl of Morton (should be Robert, Comte de
Mortain), the claimed descent from Rollo, missing and wrong wives, arbitrary
and wrong dates show this is not based on anything scholarly.
If he were interested in the truth he would have consulted respected
sources. Since he is not, forget him. Your effort and time are too valuable
to help this one.
Henry Sutliff
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Chris Phillips
> I am hoping that someone from gen-med can help me prove a point.
>
> The topic is pre norman conquest, and wether there were Montagus in
> england prior to the year 1066.
>
> I have been challenged by a somewhat rude family historian, who
> argues that the first Montagus in england were really from Ireland.
Keats-Rohan, Domesday People (p.180) shows Drogo de Montagud (who seems to
be the earliest Montague mentioned in the Complete Peerage) as a "Norman,
tenant of Robert de Mortain at the Domesday Survey ... His toponym came to
be associated with the Mortain castle and barony at Montacute in Somerset,
but possibly originally referred to a Norman Montaigu; Le Melletier suggests
Montaigu-les-Bois, Manche, cant. Gavray"
Presumably her identification of him as a Norman is based primarily on the
fact he was a tenant of Robert de Mortain, as she allows some doubt as to
whether the name "Montaigu" has a Norman origin. (Of her Drogos, one is a
Fleming, and the rest Normans.)
I don't understand how the statement about an Irish origin could arise.
Chris Phillips
ADRIANC...@cs.com
writes:
> Dear group,
>
> I am hoping that someone from gen-med can help me prove a point.
>
> The topic is pre norman conquest, and wether there were Montagus in
> england prior to the year 1066.
>
> I have been challenged by a somewhat rude family historian, who
> argues that the first Montagus in england were really from Ireland.
>
> Now, this is a new one on me, so I am hoping that someone in the
> group can help me on this one. I have never heard of this, has anyone
> else?
>
> Cheers,
> Karen
>
No, its Norman. The Domesday family came from either Montaigu-le-bois or
from Mantaigu (Le Manche); see, for example, the Oxford "A Dictionary of
English Surnames".
Although the name is Norman, I note that in (not to be trusted) O'Hart's
"Irish Pedigrees", he states that the Irish name MacTague was anglicised
Montague. I suppose it is possible that there was a branch of the MacTague's
who, for one reason or another, changed their name to Montague, but the name
itself is Norman.
BTW, if anyone is thinking of purchasing the CD "The Irish and Anglo-Irish
Landed Gentry", it seems to me everything therein is, word-for-word,
contained in O'Hart's Irish Pedigrees 1892. (reprinted 1976 and 1989).
Adrian
Sean MacLochlainn
> Although the name is Norman, I note that in (not to be trusted) O'Hart's
> "Irish Pedigrees", he states that the Irish name MacTague was anglicised
> Montague. I suppose it is possible that there was a branch of the
> MacTague's who, for one reason or another, changed their name to
> Montague, but the name itself is Norman.
Assuming O Hart is correct (!), this would have occurred post-1169 rather
than pre-1066.
Sean
Karen Repko
Sean, Henry, Chris, Rosie, Adrian, et al..
Thank you all for your much appreciated opinions on this topic.
Henry, you amaze me...how did you surmise which site I was refering
to, have you perhaps been talking to Rosie... ;o)
A friend of mine asked me to check out this website, and give him my
evaluation. He is writing an article on "Family Web Sites" for the
local genealogical society, this one had been refered to him, "as one
of the best on the web". My first reaction was to cringe, secondly to
laugh, and finally to challenge the sources.
If you each don't mind, I would like to add the opinions of those of
you who have viewed this site along with mine when I tender the
evaluation?
Aside from the bells and whistles on this site, it lacks much in the
way of good genealogy. The fantasy connection between the immigrant
ancestor and the Earls of Salisbury tend to cheapen the overall effect
as far as I am concerned.
On a score of 1 to 5 stars, I give this site a weak 2, and that only
for the bells and whistles.
Cheers,
Karen
Karen Repko
> [N.B. Subject line corrected. ---- DSH]
>
> Put the Burden of Proof on HIM ---- where it belongs.
>
> Let's see his evidence.
>
> You have NO responsibility to DISPROVE what he says.
>
> _Au contraire_, HE has the responsibility to PROVE it.
>
> CP IX, sub nomine Montagu, does not take the approach your respondent
> seems to be following.
>
> But, what you have told us is so vague and untextured ---- it's
> difficult to tell.
>
> HE has the responsibility for clarifying the vagueness, if possible ----
> not YOU.
>
> Deus Vult.
>
> >
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
> Vires et Honor.
>
Hi Spencer,
Thank you for your sentiments, and opinions. I agree completely.
I had been asked by a friend, to evaluate the following web site for
a publication in the local genealogical society newsletter. My friend
knowing that I am a Montagu descendant, felt I was perhaps better
qualified to render a more indepth evalualtion on the content then he
could.
The site is for a Skiles Fielding Montague, of the Boveney
Buckinghamshire Montagues. The site has a few nice bells and
whistles, but falls apart on the medieval genealogy. Especially weak
is the biographical origin section of the site. Take a look at it and
tell me what you think, if you have the time that is. I do value your
opinion, and would welcome any re-enforcement, or repudiation of my
own opinion of this site.
http://www.geocities.com/baja/1903/homepage.htm (homepage)
http://www.geocities.com/baja/5550/descend/montague.htm (genealogy)
Cheers,
Karen
D. Spencer Hines
I get messages that these pages don't exist on Yahoo! GeoCities.
So, I certainly agree with you ---- they seem to be quite inferior...
Even to the point of disappearance...
Perhaps you frightened him into withdrawal...
Cheers,
Spencer
"Have you ever heard of Harry Houdini? Well, he wasn't like today's
magicians only interested in television ratings. He was an artist. He
could make an elephant disappear in a theater filled with people. And
do you know how he did that?"
"Misdirection." -- Gabriel [John Travolta]
"What the [----] are you talking about?" -- Stanley [Hugh Jackman]
"Misdirection."
"What the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes." -- Gabriel
[John Travolta]
"Swordfish" [2001] -- Directed By Dominic Sena -- Written By Skip Woods
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Vires et Honor.
"Karen Repko" <kar...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Marayong
<http://www.montaguemillennium.com>, which may be worth a look for any
who're interested. This site makes no mention of norse fantasy. :) It's
not a genealogical site as such, rather a history site.
The site also runs a mail-list (which I'm on) and there was a post to
the list a few days back (well sourced) which 'comprehensively' (caveat
emptor) proves wrong the claimed lineage of the Boveney Montagu's from
the Montecute's. A key individual in the claimed lineage has been found
to have died childless ("Probate Court of Canterbury Calendarium IPM,
4:127; VCH Wilts. 15:30" is the key source given for this). The 1634
Bucks Visitation also noted that the Boveney Montgu's coat of arms was
not legitimate and the family was fined for use of a coat of arms
without a grant to do so.
If anyone wants a copy of the article and it's followup, email me and I
will forward privately.
cheers,
David
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Karen Repko
> There's a site on this surname titled 'Montague Millennium',
> <http://www.montaguemillennium.com>, which may be worth a look for any
> who're interested. This site makes no mention of norse fantasy. :) It's
> not a genealogical site as such, rather a history site.
>
> The site also runs a mail-list (which I'm on) and there was a post to
> the list a few days back (well sourced) which 'comprehensively' (caveat
> emptor) proves wrong the claimed lineage of the Boveney Montagu's from
> the Montecute's. A key individual in the claimed lineage has been found
> to have died childless ("Probate Court of Canterbury Calendarium IPM,
> 4:127; VCH Wilts. 15:30" is the key source given for this). The 1634
> Bucks Visitation also noted that the Boveney Montgu's coat of arms was
> not legitimate and the family was fined for use of a coat of arms
> without a grant to do so.
>
> If anyone wants a copy of the article and it's followup, email me and I
> will forward privately.
>
> cheers,
> David
Hello David,
The post to the montaguemillennium site was posted Oct. 2001, by me.
I had been researching this Montague family in conjunction with my
own Montagu ancestry, and felt this was worth discussion on the list.
It has taken seven months for the original posting to get
through...amazing.
This subject has been covered many times over in this group, the
duscussions can be found in the archives if you would care to access
them. I believe one of the topic headings is "Boveney Montagues" or
"Coat of Arms".
I appreciate your praise concerning how well the posting was
sourced, but if I remember correctly I actually referenced Myrtle
Stevens Hyde's research, and quoted abstracts from her article in the
NEHGR.
The reference to the coat of arms was infact two fold, first it was
to show the possible assumption of the arms prior to the 1634
visitation, as the arms attributed to this family does not have an
actual grant per the C of A officer I spoke with last year. Nor is
this Montague family in the previous 1566 visitation for
Buckinghamshire; therefore the arms were probably an assumption
accepted by the herald, but noted with a differencing mark (3 ogress')
in the 1634 Visitation of Buckinghamshire. The C of A heraldic
officer I discussed this with (Windsor), said there was a notation
pertaining to the payment of a fine, but could give me no further
information aside from some pencil notations on the record available
to them.
The remarks pertaining to the coat of arms which do not belong to
the Boveney Montague's and their descendants, was in reference to the
fantasy arms for sale on the millennium homepage. This is a
quartering of four coats, three of which have no relation to the
Boveney Montague family. The first is the Montague, of Boveney arms,
second and fourth are the two Montacute arms, and thirdly are what
appear to be the arms of the Isle of Man. This fantasy coat of arms
also attributes a crest, supporters and the motto of the Dukes of
Manchester as well, none of which would even remotely apply to the
Boveney Montague family or their descendants. A discussion of this
fantasy coat of arms can be found on rec-heraldry, also listed under
"Coat of Arms".
This coat of arms is advertized as the rightful coat of arms for all
descendants of Peter and Richard Montague, and is being sold to
generate income for the montaguemillennium web page.
For anyone interested, the montaguemillennium website is the link to
Skiles Fielding Montague's web site, which I have been asked to
critique for a local genealogical newsletter. David is correct in
that the millennium web site is more a generalized Montagu/e history
site. Skiles F. Montague's web site can be accessed by using the
upper right hand button on the millennium homepage, and this is where
the medieval Montacute biographical text is located
which I have introduced into discussion here.
Cheers,
Karen Repko
Karen Repko
> Hmmmmmmm.
>
> I get messages that these pages don't exist on Yahoo! GeoCities.
>
> So, I certainly agree with you ---- they seem to be quite inferior...
>
> Even to the point of disappearance...
>
> Perhaps you frightened him into withdrawal...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Spencer
>
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
> Vires et Honor.
>
Perhaps your right~ <g> I just tried it myself, and surprise...it's
not there anymore. I assure you it was working yesturday afternoon,
honest it was.
Perhaps he withdrew it to clean up his act... hmmmmm
Do you think it is a coincidence that this web site is suddenly
unavailable, just after a post I made to the montaguemillennium list
is suddenly posted after being in hyperspace limbo for seven months?
Thats something to think about isn't it.
non.semper.ea.sunt.quae.videntur (Phaedrus)
nam.et.ipsa.scientia.potestas.est (Bacon)
Cheers,
Karen
D. Spencer Hines
I think it quite probable that there is a correlation.
In the immortal words of Mr. Justice Brandeis:
"Sunshine is the best disinfectant."
It appears that your sunlight may well have penetrated the fog...and
frightened him into withdrawing the material and *attempting* to clean
up his act ---- or at least to avoid the ravages of ridicule and
excoriation, which were about to descend on his pointy little head ----
if what you said about his site is true.
Deus Vult.
"Have you ever heard of Harry Houdini? Well, he wasn't like today's
magicians only interested in television ratings. He was an artist. He
could make an elephant disappear in a theater filled with people. And
do you know how he did that?"
"Misdirection." -- Gabriel [John Travolta]
"What the [----] are you talking about?" -- Stanley [Hugh Jackman]
"Misdirection."
"What the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes." -- Gabriel
[John Travolta]
"Swordfish" [2001] -- Directed By Dominic Sena -- Written By Skip Woods
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----------
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Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor.
"Karen Repko" <kar...@aol.com> wrote in message
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| "D. Spencer Hines" <D._Spence...@aya.yale.edu> wrote in message
Marayong
>
> The post to the montaguemillennium site was posted Oct. 2001, by me.
> I had been researching this Montague family in conjunction with my
> own Montagu ancestry, and felt this was worth discussion on the list.
> It has taken seven months for the original posting to get
> through...amazing.
I'll try to be charitable. *g* I think the list itself has been in
limbo. I actually thought it'd vanished - I sent a post to it last year
and it never surfaced. Who knows where your article was dug up from!
> This subject has been covered many times over in this group ..
I know .. which is why I made only a rather brief reply for the benifit
of any who hadn't thought to check the archives.
> The remarks pertaining to the coat of arms which do not belong to
> the Boveney Montague's and their descendants, was in reference to the
> fantasy arms for sale on the millennium homepage...
It's been quite some time (years) since I last looked at the site .. I
have no idea of the context of the arms. I do know another fmaily I
research often has a coat of arms advertised in it's printed newsletter,
but it's made very clear it's not connected with the family and is only
a historical curiosity (it was once believed there was a connection).
The newsletter also only carries the advert .. it doesn't sell them
itself (or should I say the editor doesn't).
Karen Repko
> Absolutely!
>
> I think it quite probable that there is a correlation.
>
> In the immortal words of Mr. Justice Brandeis:
>
> "Sunshine is the best disinfectant."
>
> It appears that your sunlight may well have penetrated the fog...and
> frightened him into withdrawing the material and *attempting* to clean
> up his act ---- or at least to avoid the ravages of ridicule and
> excoriation, which were about to descend on his pointy little head ----
> if what you said about his site is true.
>
> Deus Vult.
>
>
> All original material contained herein is copyright and property of the
> author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an
> attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly
> given, in writing.
> ----------
>
> D. Spencer Hines
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>
> Vires et Honor.
>
Hello Spencer,
The site in question is up and running once more, with no alterations.
Perhaps they were just performing scheduled maintenance.
Check out the monograph for the Montague origins, then tell me what you think.
Cheers,
Karen
D. Spencer Hines
Yes, it's obviously quite flakey:
http://www.geocities.com/baja/5550/descend/montague.htm
1. "The Kings and I" wording is the first clue.
2. The grossly-oversized, schmaltzy, statuary of "The Family" is the
second clue.
3. Then for the coup de grace ---- just read these three ridiculous
paragraphs, which I have broken up for easier reading:
"The first MONTAGUE surname we know of came from Scandinavia.
To differentiate between Eric from the valley and Eric from the mountain
they called the Eric from the mountain Eric Montague, in Latin (Eric de
Monte Acuto) translated to "Eric of the Mountain Peak"."
[N.B. Since when is "Eric de Monte Acuto" Latin? ---- DSH]
Some of these Montague's [sic] traveled to a section of France called
Normandy that had been settled by the Northmen. In France their name
was spelled Montagu or Montague.
When William Duke of Normandy decided to wage war against England in
1066 he took his brother Robert and friend Drogo as his right hand [sic]
men."
[N.B. Hmmmm. How curious that the writers of CP, and especially
Geoffrey H. White, have never heard about Drogo as the right-hand friend
of William The Conqueror, who allegedly fought at Hastings. But see CP
IX:75, note b. ---- DSH]
"So as not to be confused with Montague's [sic] already in England who
had come from Ireland, Drogo took the Latin spelling of his name and
became known as Drogo De Monte-Acuto. His descendants changed the
spelling to Montacute and after the Plantagenet's [sic] lost power they
changed their name back to Montague."
[N.B. "The Plantagenets" didn't "lose power" ---- they simply
"evolved." Edward IV and Richard III, the Yorkist Kings, were
"Plantagenets" and so, in his way, was Henry VII, distantly, through his
mother, Margaret Beaufort ---- a descendant of Edward III. ---- DSH]
"The second MONTAGUE surname came from Ireland.
The ancestors of these Montague's [sic] were named Tague. The son of
Tague was called MacTague and the Irish Montague was derived from this.
Descendants of the Irish Montague's were dispersed all over the British
Isles and were already inhabiting England before the Battle of Hastings
in 1066.
The third MONTAGUE surname came from Germany as Montag which means
Monday in German."
-------------Cordon Sanitaire---------------------
Blithering idiocy.
I particularly loved that last one. By the same crazy logic, one could
say"
"The fourth MONTAGU surname came from Spain as _Montero_, which means
hunter in Spanish."
Not worth wasting any more time over.
Internet Genealogical Sites generally have low standards and lead to
diminishing returns. There are *very* few exceptions. I just use them
as finding aids, at best, and exemplars for excoriation and ridicule, at
worst.
Things should always be *confirmed* in print sources ---- *several*
print sources ---- authored by credible, credentialed, vetted, writers
and *publishers* ---- in my considered opinion.
That's another reason why I don't think that putting a lot of work into
an _Ancestors of Henry II_ or _Ancestors of Edward III_ Internet site is
such a good idea.
Cheers,
Spencer
Vide infra.
"Have you ever heard of Harry Houdini? Well, he wasn't like today's
magicians only interested in television ratings. He was an artist. He
could make an elephant disappear in a theater filled with people. And
do you know how he did that?"
"Misdirection." -- Gabriel [John Travolta]
"What the [----] are you talking about?" -- Stanley [Hugh Jackman]
"Misdirection."
"What the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes." -- Gabriel
[John Travolta]
"Swordfish" [2001] -- Directed By Dominic Sena -- Written By Skip Woods
All replies to the newsgroup please. Thank you kindly.
All original material contained herein is copyright and property of the
author. It may be quoted only in discussions on this forum and with an
attribution to the author, unless permission is otherwise expressly
given, in writing.
----------
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor.
"Karen Repko" <kar...@aol.com> wrote in message
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| "D. Spencer Hines" <D._Spence...@aya.yale.edu> wrote in message
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| > Absolutely!
| >
| > I think it quite probable that there is a correlation.
| >
| > In the immortal words of Mr. Justice Brandeis:
| >
| > "Sunshine is the best disinfectant."
| >
| > It appears that your sunlight may well have penetrated the fog...and
| > frightened him into withdrawing the material and *attempting* to
| > clean up his act ---- or at least to avoid the ravages of ridicule
| > and excoriation, which were about to descend on his pointy little
| > head ---- if what you said about his site is true.
| >
| > Deus Vult.
| > D. Spencer Hines
| >
| > Lux et Veritas et Libertas
| >
| > Vires et Honor.
| >
|
| Hello Spencer,
|
| The site in question is up and running once more, with no
| alterations.
|
| Perhaps they were just performing scheduled maintenance.
|
| Check out the monograph for the Montague origins, then tell me what
| you think.
Please? I didn't hear _Please_.
What I see supra is two imperatives ---- "Check out..." and "then tell
me..." That's the way people talk to dogs and small children ----
sometimes.
Do you have small children and dogs, Karen ---- or just a pliant
husband? <g>
| Cheers,
| Karen
D. Spencer Hines
Karen,
Yes, it's obviously quite flakey:
http://www.geocities.com/baja/5550/descend/montague.htm
1. "The Kings and I" wording is the first clue.
2. The grossly-oversized, schmaltzy, statuary of "The Family" is the
second clue.
3. Then for the coup de grace ---- just read these three ridiculous
paragraphs, which I have broken up for easier reading:
"The first MONTAGUE surname we know of came from Scandinavia.
To differentiate between Eric from the valley and Eric from the mountain
they called the Eric from the mountain Eric Montague, in Latin (Eric de
Monte Acuto) translated to "Eric of the Mountain Peak"."
[N.B. Since when is "Eric de Monte Acuto" -- Latin? ---- DSH]
Some of these Montague's [sic] traveled to a section of France called
Normandy that had been settled by the Northmen. In France their name
was spelled Montagu or Montague.
When William Duke of Normandy decided to wage war against England in
1066 he took his brother Robert and friend Drogo as his right hand [sic]
men."
[N.B. Hmmmm. How curious that the writers of CP, and especially
Geoffrey H. White, have never heard about Drogo as the right-hand friend
of William The Conqueror, who allegedly fought at Hastings. But see CP
IX:75, note b. ---- DSH]
"So as not to be confused with Montague's [sic] already in England who
had come from Ireland, Drogo took the Latin spelling of his name and
became known as Drogo De Monte-Acuto. His descendants changed the
spelling to Montacute and after the Plantagenet's [sic] lost power they
changed their name back to Montague."
[N.B. "The Plantagenets" didn't "lose power" ---- they simply
"evolved." Edward IV and Richard III, the Yorkist Kings, were
"Plantagenets" and so, in his way, was Henry VII, distantly, through his
mother, Margaret Beaufort ---- a descendant of Edward III. ---- DSH]
"The second MONTAGUE surname came from Ireland.
The ancestors of these Montague's [sic] were named Tague. The son of
Tague was called MacTague and the Irish Montague was derived from this.
Descendants of the Irish Montague's [sic] were dispersed all over the
British Isles and were already inhabiting England before the Battle of
Hastings in 1066.
The third MONTAGUE surname came from Germany as Montag which means
Monday in German."
-------------Cordon Sanitaire---------------------
Blithering idiocy.
I particularly loved that last one. By the same limp-brained "logic",
one could say:
"The fourth MONTAGUE surname came from Spain as _Montero_, which means
hunter in Spanish."
Not worth wasting any more time over.
Internet Genealogical Sites generally have low standards and lead to
diminishing returns. There are *very* few exceptions. I just use them
as finding aids, at best, and exemplars for excoriation and ridicule, at
worst.
Things should always be *confirmed* in print sources ---- *several*
print sources ---- authored by credible, credentialed, vetted, writers
and *publishers* ---- in my considered opinion.
Any jerk can throw up a genealogical web-site, without much effort ----
or cost.
The Barriers To Entry [BTE] for web-sites are absurdly low and indeed
virtually non-existent. Where there is even a slight will, coupled to
pride, there is a way.
Publishing a reputable book from a reputable publisher is *somewhat*
more difficult ---- and far more costly ---- hence there are some useful
Barriers To Entry [BTE] ---- not enough, to be sure.
That's another reason why I don't think that putting a lot of work into
an _Ancestors of Henry II_ or _Ancestors of Edward III_ Internet
web-site is such a good idea.
Cheers,
Spencer
Vide infra.
"Misdirection."
D. Spencer Hines
Vires et Honor.
Spencer
| Cheers,
| Karen
Karen Repko
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> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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> Vires et Honor.
> D. Spencer Hines
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> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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> Vires et Honor.
Dear Spencer,
I do apologize, I forgot myself <g>
Here is a much deserved Please, and an even more appreciated
Thank-you <g>
While I do have dogs; my husband is anything but pliant, I wish he
were on occasion <g>
I agree with your critique of this web-site completely. In my
opinion, it may serve its purposes for the latter generations, but the
medieval genealogy falls apart when viewed with any form of collegiate
thinking.
I am afraid that my rating of this site is still a 2, and that is
for the bells and whistles only.
Again, thank you~
Cheers,
Karen
D. Spencer Hines
You're generous.
I'd give the site a .5 = 1/2 ---- on a scale of ten.
Not to worry about the imperatives. I was just kidding.
You're welcome.
Aloha,
Spencer
"Have you ever heard of Harry Houdini? Well, he wasn't like today's
magicians only interested in television ratings. He was an artist. He
could make an elephant disappear in a theater filled with people. And
do you know how he did that?"
"Misdirection." -- Gabriel [John Travolta]
"What the [----] are you talking about?" -- Stanley [Hugh Jackman]
"Misdirection."
"What the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes." -- Gabriel
[John Travolta]
"Swordfish" [2001] -- Directed By Dominic Sena -- Written By Skip Woods
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