Sir Walter Raleigh
Stewart, Peter
(?) visitation of Devonshire by Henry St George (used by Vivian), with a few
additions from 'The Life of Sir Walter Raleigh' by Edward Edwards (1868)
where this is reproduced, and remarks about the Raleigh arms in 'Notes &
Queries', 3rd series, volumes 3-5, with a couple of dates from CP.
Earlier requests on this site have not elicited much information. It seems a
bit rum to me that the ancestry of such an important & interesting figure in
the history of the western hemisphere isn't better known & more readily
accessible. Someone is bound to have details including the particular
individuals of e.g. Champernoun, Ferrers, Carew and Beaumont families.
Can anyone please add to this, correct it or otherwise comment?
Peter Stewart
1 Sir Walter Raleigh, born between June & November 1554, executed 20
October 1618
2 Walter Raleigh, of Fardell & Hayes, Devon
3 Katherine Champernoun
4 Wimond Raleigh
5 Elizabeth Edgecombe
6 Sir Philip Champernoun, of Modbury, Devon
7 Katherine Carew
8 Walter Raleigh, of Fardell, Devon
9 Katherine Champernoun
10 Sir Richard Edgecombe, of Edgecombe, Glos
11 NN
14 Sir Edmund Carew
15 Katherine Huddesfield
16 John Raleigh, of Fardell
17 Elizabeth Coplestone
18 William Champernoun
19 NN
28 Nicholas Carew
29 Margaret Dinham
30 Sir William Huddesfield
31 Elizabeth Bozom
32 Sir John Raleigh, of Fardell
33 Matilda Ferrers
58 John, Lord Dinham, born 1406, died 25 January 1456/7
59 Joan Arches, born ca 1410, died 20 April 1497
64 Sir Peter Raleigh, of Smallridge
65 Mary Dawney
116 John, Lord Dynham, born 1359/60, died 25 December 1428
117 Philippa Lovel, born ca 1391, died 15 May 1465
118 Sir Richard Arches, of Eythorpe, Buckinghamshire, born ca 1384, died
5 September 1417
119 Lucy (surname unknown)
128 Sir John Raleigh, of Smallridge
129 Elizabeth Bamville
256 Sir Henry Raleigh, of Smallridge
257 Isabel de Beaumont
512 John Raleigh
513 Joanna Newton
1024 Sir Hugh Raleigh, of Smallridge
1025 NN
1026 William Newton, of Fardell
1027 Ellen FitzWarine
2054 Juhel FitzWarine
2055 NN
4108 Warine FitzJuhel
4109 NN
Don Stone
>
> Below is a sketchy ancestor table for Sir Walter Raleigh, based on the 1623
> (?) visitation of Devonshire by Henry St George (used by Vivian), with a few
> additions from 'The Life of Sir Walter Raleigh' by Edward Edwards (1868)
> where this is reproduced, and remarks about the Raleigh arms in 'Notes &
> Queries', 3rd series, volumes 3-5, with a couple of dates from CP.
> Can anyone please add to this, correct it or otherwise comment?
>
> October 1618
>
> 2 Walter Raleigh, of Fardell & Hayes, Devon
> 3 Katherine Champernoun
>
> 4 Wimond Raleigh
> 5 Elizabeth Edgecombe
> 6 Sir Philip Champernoun, of Modbury, Devon
> 7 Katherine Carew
>
> 8 Walter Raleigh, of Fardell, Devon
> 9 Katherine Champernoun
> 10 Sir Richard Edgecombe, of Edgecombe, Glos
> 11 NN
> 14 Sir Edmund Carew
> 15 Katherine Huddesfield
I have notes taken primarily from Vivian's Devon (not the most reliable
source) that would add the following:
12 Sir John Champernowne of Dartington and Modbury, Devon, d. 1503
13 Margaret Courtenay
26 Sir Philip Courtenay of Molland, Sheiff of Devon, 1471
27 Elizabeth Hingeston
52 Sir Philip Courtenay of Powderham, d. 1463
53 Elizabeth Hungerford
104 Sir John Courtenay
105 Joan (Champernowne) Chudleigh, d. 1419
106 Sir Walter Hungerford, K.G., Lord Treasurer of England
[etc.]
Similarly, the ancestry of 28 Sir Nicholas Carew can be extended:
56 Sir Thomas Carew of Mohun's Ottery, Devon
57 Joan Carminow
112 Sir Nicholas Carew, b. 1408, d. 1446
113 Joan Courtenay, b. 1411
[etc.]
The Courtenays above (104 and 113) are descended from Hugh de Courtenay,
Earl of Devon, whose wife Margaret de Bohun was a granddaughter of King
Edward I, and Sir Nicholas Carew (112) was descended from Sir Gilbert de
Clare, Earl of Gloucester and Hertford, whose wife Joan of Acre was a
daughter of King Edward I.
-- Don Stone
Ivor West
Devon? Raleigh of Fardel should take your sketch back to Walter de
Ralegh who died at Hastings, viz.,
Walter de Ralegh (d. 1066) m. Beatrix - Walter de Ralegh of Pilton -
Walter de Ralegh (temp. Will.II and Hen.I) - Richard de Ralegh (heir
to his brother Hugh, Sheriff of Devon, 7-14 Hen.II) - Warine de Ralegh
of Nettlecombe - Warine de Ralegh (succeeded his brother Ralph who was
deprived by K.John) - Wimond de Ralegh m. Constance Chelton of
Collaton - Wimond de Raleigh of Collaton Raleigh and Smallridge - Sir
Hugh Rawleigh of Smallridge ...
Brushfield in Trans.Dev. Assoc., vol 32, 330, compares Holland III
Pedigree (Harl. MS. 1500 (1602); W. Wyrley, Rouge Croix (1604 - 1618),
(Bodl. Lib. MS. Rawl. B.88); Pole, Hist. of Devon. (1604 - 35);
Visitation of Devon, 1620. Edwards' Life of Sir W. R.(i. 8). There
are several variations in the pedigrees.
Reichel's devolution of Fardel shows that William de Neweton held in
1303. He married Alice FitzJoel, daughter of Joel FitzWarin of
Fardel. Warin FitzJoel held in 1219. Richard Pauncefot held in 1218
and was married to Matilda de Ferrers of Bere. So it might reasonably
be supposed that an heiress of Pauncefot had carried Fardel to Warin
FitzJoel. Roger de Ferrers held before Richard Pauncefot so it appears
that Pauncefot received Fardel from Matilda. Ralph de Ferrers held
before Roger.
Reginald de Vautortes held Fardel of the Count of Mortain at the time
of DB (Devon 15,67) - unless you follow Exon. 1,23 which has Godfrey
de Vautortes, who may have been Reginald's father. In DCNQ 20, John
Benson takes Alice FitzJoel back to the Valletorts (Vautortes) of
North Tawton, i.e., William de Newton m. Alice FitzJoel - Joel
FitzWarin of Fardel - Warine FitzJoel (1195 - 1244) - Joel II de
Valletort m. Emma de Bottreaux - Ralph de Valletort. Benson
questions, probably rightly, Pole's identification of Ralph's father
as Reginald de Valletort. A more likely descent might be Godfrey de
Valletort - Reginald I de Valletort - Reginald II de Valletort - Ralph
de Valletort (bro. of Joel I) - Joel II - Warin fitzJoel - Joel
FitzWarin - Alice FitzJoel.
What is required now is more input concerning other Raleigh wives. In
particular, Beaumont (of Gittisham or Youlston?), Newton,
Chelton/Chilton.
Ivor West
Stewart, Peter <Peter....@crsrehab.gov.au> wrote in message
news:BE9CF8DEAB7ED311B05...@v003138e.crsrehab.gov.au..
> Below is a sketchy ancestor table for Sir Walter Raleigh, based on
the 1623
> (?) visitation of Devonshire by Henry St George (used by Vivian),
with a few
> additions from 'The Life of Sir Walter Raleigh' by Edward Edwards
(1868)
> where this is reproduced, and remarks about the Raleigh arms in
'Notes &
> Queries', 3rd series, volumes 3-5, with a couple of dates from CP.
>
> Earlier requests on this site have not elicited much information. It
seems a
> bit rum to me that the ancestry of such an important & interesting
figure in
> the history of the western hemisphere isn't better known & more
readily
> accessible. Someone is bound to have details including the
particular
> individuals of e.g. Champernoun, Ferrers, Carew and Beaumont
families.
>
> Can anyone please add to this, correct it or otherwise comment?
>
> Peter Stewart
>
>
> 1 Sir Walter Raleigh, born between June & November 1554, executed 20
> October 1618
>
> 2 Walter Raleigh, of Fardell & Hayes, Devon
> 3 Katherine Champernoun
>
> 4 Wimond Raleigh
> 5 Elizabeth Edgecombe
> 6 Sir Philip Champernoun, of Modbury, Devon
> 7 Katherine Carew
>
> 8 Walter Raleigh, of Fardell, Devon
> 9 Katherine Champernoun
> 10 Sir Richard Edgecombe, of Edgecombe, Glos
> 11 NN
> 14 Sir Edmund Carew
> 15 Katherine Huddesfield
>
Stewart, Peter
Hastings combatant, but I find his "additions" to the visitation records are
better left out when his extraneous source(s) are unclear and the actual
heralds' information is often suspect anyway.
The great Sir Walter commissioned pedigrees at different times from the
Clarenceaux king-of-arms Cooke and a someone named Hooker, apparently trying
to justify his quartering of the arms of grander families than the Raleighs
& particularly to substantiate his purported descent from a Damory de Clare
after whom he named a son Damerei. Hooker obliged, I don't know about Cooke.
Several people have posted information over the past year on the Beaumont,
Ferrers and Champernourn families in Devon without including the various
Raleigh wives credited in Henry St George's visitation record, so I'm still
hoping for more useful leads on this site. Thanks for yours, Mr West.
Peter Stewart
> ______________________________
>
Colin Bevan
Bridget Raleigh, daughter of Sir Edward Raleigh and Ann Chamberlain? She
married Sir John Cope d. 1557 of Canons Ashby. Do these Raleighs connect
with the Devon Raleighs?
Cheers
Rosie
John Steele Gordon
>
> As we are on the subject of the Raleighs, can anyone tell me the ancestry of
> Bridget Raleigh, daughter of Sir Edward Raleigh and Ann Chamberlain? She
> married Sir John Cope d. 1557 of Canons Ashby. Do these Raleighs connect
> with the Devon Raleighs?
Her ancestry can be seen on my website, address below, back eight
generations from her in the Raleigh line. She has a royal descent from
Edward I through Gilbert de Clare and Joan of Acre. She is ancestral to
Kenelm Cheseldyne of Maryland and Anne and Katherine Marbury of
Massachusetts, all of whom have many American descendants.
I believe any connection to the family of Sir Walter Raleigh is
conjectural and, if true, distant.
JSG
--
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jsggenealogy/Jsgordon
Kay Allen AG
John Steele Gordon wrote:
>
> Colin Bevan wrote:
> >
> > As we are on the subject of the Raleighs, can anyone tell me the ancestry of
> > Bridget Raleigh, daughter of Sir Edward Raleigh and Ann Chamberlain? She
> > married Sir John Cope d. 1557 of Canons Ashby. Do these Raleighs connect
> > with the Devon Raleighs?
>
> Her ancestry can be seen on my website, address below, back eight
> generations from her in the Raleigh line. She has a royal descent from
> Edward I through Gilbert de Clare and Joan of Acre. She is ancestral to
F. N. Craig is repudiating the Greene marriage which brings in this
ancestry. I am not convinced. There is a Chancery case which may (or
may not) answer this question.
> Kenelm Cheseldyne of Maryland and Anne and Katherine Marbury of
> Massachusetts, all of whom have many American descendants.
Also Grace Chetwode, wife of Rev. Peter Bulkele of Concord, Mass.
Kay Allen AG
Brice Clagett
Stewart, Peter
related in my first post on this subject could not date from 1623 as
suggested - he was born in 1625, & even for a highly imaginative genealogist
a 2-years pre-natal start would be going too far.
Peter Stewart