you must realize that world has always had these sorts of people who pretend
to some (invented) identity
and the efficacy of internet has brought a number of such to wider
circulation
I took a look at her web page. Wow! This is a woman who is severely
reality challenged when it comes to genealogy. She not only claims
descent from an invented son of Emp. Frederick II, but also from
"Griffen, son of Charles Martel". I bet this goes over well with her
colleagues in that collection of charlatans and freaks calling
themselves the European Council of Princes.
She is also in serious need of some guidance on web page design.
taf
> I took a look at her web page. Wow! This is a woman who is severely
> reality challenged when it comes to genealogy. She not only claims
> descent from an invented son of Emp. Frederick II, but also from
> "Griffen, son of Charles Martel".>>
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The french Wikipedia here (in translation)
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&
u=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffon_%28carolingien%29&ei=xWnLS4uRFYO2swPF48SQAw&sa=X&oi=translate&
ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CBAQ7gEwAg&
prev=/search%3Fq%3DGriffin,%2Bson%2Bof%2B%2522Charles%2BMartel%2522%26num%3D50%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26client
%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DcvG%26sa%3DX%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official
states that a Griffin did exist who was son of Charles Martel.
Are you saying that:
1) No such Griffin existed, he is made up OR
2) A Griffin existed but he was not son of Charles Martel OR
3) He existed and he was son of Charles Martel but he left no children
Will, Prince of Seborga
> In a message dated 4/18/2010 10:10:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> t...@clearwire.net writes:
>
> > I took a look at her web page. Wow! This is a woman who is severely
> > reality challenged when it comes to genealogy. She not only claims
> > descent from an invented son of Emp. Frederick II, but also from
> > "Griffen, son of Charles Martel".>>
> ------------------
>
> The french Wikipedia here states that a Griffin did exist who was son of Charles Martel.
>
> Are you saying that:
> 1) No such Griffin existed, he is made up OR
> 2) A Griffin existed but he was not son of Charles Martel OR
> 3) He existed and he was son of Charles Martel but he left no children
Yes, there is a well-attested duke Griffo, son of Charles Martel. But
of him Settipani & Van Kerrebrouck say "no marriage or children are
known for him for certain, although, based on a commemorative list from
Remiremont, one might attribute to him two sons, named Griffo and
Charles, whose names immediately follow his own." (_La prehistoire des
Capetiens_, 178).
This 'Princess Yasmin' is a rather lame fantasist. She should NOT have
a Wikipedia page -- notability fail. Her only press notice comes from a
puff piece in the Telegraph ('O, those wacky foreigners') which was only
run as a followup to a previous puff piece on the tourist-micronation of
Seborga.
Nat Taylor
a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://www.nltaylor.net/sketchbook/
>Sometimes I can't understand the wikipedia, Why accept fake things about
>fake people? Nice...
wikipedia is the best and the worst at the same time.
The best since it will cover nearly all subjects after some time, and
with references in most cases.
The worst because anyone can write anything. I know someone who knows
about nothing in genealogy and history and who put his own biography
in wikipedia where he pretends to be an historian. Then he can use
this piece of invention as a part of his presentation. Nobody will
control this kind of selfish page.
Also, the worst because using rephrasing, they can make years of work
almost useless and remove users from your site.
The worst because if the general or average opinion about a fact is
wrong, then someone writing something true (even with an explanation
or an analysis) will be considered as vandalizing the page or will
require a lot of debates to set the case.
Denis
--
Denis Beauregard - généalogiste émérite (FQSG)
Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - www.francogene.com/genealogie--quebec/
French in North America before 1722 - www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/
Sur cédérom à 1775 - On CD-ROM to 1775
Diana
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