Prince of Powis; King Tewdwr; Carew; Prater
Aslanite
Dear List Members:
I was given the following ancestry of my husband, but with no "proof," much
less any references or sources. I have looked through several books and
have not found Brockwell Yscitheor mentioned. Could anyone suggest
references? Also on the Carew line?
1.
Mardudd
to Madog
to Brockwell Yscitheor, Prince of Powis (or Brockwell ap Brochwd, Cadell,
Powys) [to me the "ap" would indicate that the father of Brockwell
couldn't be Madog]
to a daughter that married a Prater of Eaton Water, Wiltshite, possibly
Guilliumus Prater
2.
Tewdwr - King of South Wales
to Rhys ap Tewdwr, King
to Nesta who m. Gerald of Windsor, the Kings "Lord" in Wales
to either Sir William de Carew or a dau. who married Sir William
to Sir Maurice of Carew
to Sir Nicholas, Lord Carew / Carew Castle
to a daughter that married a Prater of Eaton Water (and supposedly the
grand-daughter of Brockwell Yscitheor above)
Thank you
Mac McCoy (permanent e-mail address at asla...@usa.net)
Nathaniel Taylor
In article <3.0.1.32.1998061...@mail.io.com>, asla...@io.com
(Aslanite) wrote:
This material is circulated by Mr. Gary Benton Prather of Sulphur,
Oklahoma, to correspondents descended from Thomas Prather, 1622 emigrant
to Virginia. As far as I'm concerned, this material is unsupportable.
The identity of the Virginia immigrant Thomas Prather as the Thomas Prater
who was baptized at Saint Mary's, Marlborough, Wiltshire on 26 December
1606, son of Thomas Prater, gent. The best source on this family (and one
which much of Mr. G. B. Prather's material seems to have been drawn from)
remains John William Prather, _Prathers in Wiltshire, 1480-1670_
(Hendersonville, North Carolina, 1987), though that, too, presents the
immigrant's connection in a more optimistic light than is supportable.
The Wiltshire Prather ancestry, as given by J. W. Prather, cannot be
demonstrated to go back to these early Welsh notables, though Jeff Duvall,
another occasional contributor to this list, has noted another possible
significant noble descent in the Wiltshire Prather ancestry. Perhaps he
can restate it for the list.
Finally, note also that if you descend, as I do, from Jonathan Prather of
Maryland, that his identity as son of Thomas Prather of Virginia is
equally as speculative as Thomas' as son of Thomas Prater, gent., of
Wilts.
Nat Taylor
Nathaniel Taylor
I wrote:
<snip>
>The identity of the Virginia immigrant Thomas Prather as the Thomas Prater
>who was baptized at Saint Mary's, Marlborough, Wiltshire on 26 December
>1606, son of Thomas Prater, gent. The best source on this family ...
<snip>
This first sentence should end "... is only conjectural."
Nat Taylor
David Nash Ford
Mac McCoy wrote:
> I have looked through several books and
> have not found Brockwell Yscitheor mentioned. Could anyone suggest
> references?
>
> 1.
> Mardudd
> to Madog
> to Brockwell Yscitheor, Prince of Powis (or Brockwell ap Brochwd, Cadell,
> Powys) [to me the "ap" would indicate that the father of Brockwell
> couldn't be Madog]
> to a daughter that married a Prater of Eaton Water, Wiltshite, possibly
> Guilliumus Prater
Brochfael (alias Brochwel) Ysgythrog (of the Tusks), King of Powys, was the son
of Cyngen Glodrydd (the Renowned) and lived in the early 6th century. His
biography can be read at:
http://freespace.virgin.net/david.ford2/powys.html#Brochfael
His pedigree can be found at:
http://freespace.virgin.net/david.ford2/powped.html#Brochfael
> 2.
> Tewdwr - King of South Wales
> to Rhys ap Tewdwr, King
> to Nesta who m. Gerald of Windsor, the Kings "Lord" in Wales
> to either Sir William de Carew or a dau. who married Sir William
> to Sir Maurice of Carew
> to Sir Nicholas, Lord Carew / Carew Castle
> to a daughter that married a Prater of Eaton Water (and supposedly the
> grand-daughter of Brockwell Yscitheor above)
Tewdr Mawr (the Great) (d.1077) was not a Welsh Monarch, though his son, Rhys,
was King of Deheubarth (SW Wales). Their ancestry can be found at:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/2444/Einion.htm
They descend in the male line directly from Rhodri Mawr (the Great), King of
Gwynedd, Powys & Seisyllwg in the late 9th century. His ancestry can be found
at:
http://freespace.virgin.net/david.ford2/coel.html#RhodriMawr
David Ford
Binfield
Berkshire
UK
Early British Kingdoms Web Site
http://freespace.virgin.net/david.ford2/Early%20British%20Kingdoms.html