Wahull to Osbaldeston: the manor of Chadlington
Clagett, Brice
wife of Sir Richard de Haudlo, the sister of Amaury
de St. Amand, 2d Lord St. Amand. CP 6:400 calls Isabel
the DAUGHTER of Aumarie de St. Amand. I think Douglas
is right, and though he didn't mention it this involves
another error in CP. If Isabel and Richard were married
by Dec. 16, 1330 (CP 6:400), she could not be the
daughter of Amauri de St. Amand if, as asserted at CP
11:299, he ws aged 15 at his father's death in 1329/30.
Sister works fine.
Douglas, I'd be curious to know whether you arrived at
your view on the basis of the chronology, or whether
you found a source that has it right. Burke's _Extinct
Peerage_ p. 32 does have it right.
Chris Phillips asks how Thomas Griffin got to be a
claimant to Braybrook lands. The only Griffin-Braybrook
connection I can find is extremely remote and apparently
not by blood, but it does seem to involve property.
Thomas Griffin, who was de jure 11th Lord Latimer (CP 7:459),
was 9th in descent from Thomas Le Latimer, 1st Lord
Latimer, of Braybrook, Northants, whose mother was Christian
Ledet, widow of Henry de Braybrook. CP 7:450-51. The
Latimers owned Braybrook for at least several generations;
the descent of the lordship is said to be treated in W.P.
Baildon, _Braybrook_ (1923) (not seen). But how this made
Thomas Griffin an heir to the Braybrooks who were de jure
Lords St. Amand (CP 11:301-02) is unclear to me. Perhaps
it was simply an unfounded claim based on the historic
association summarized above.
Douglas Richardson
You can find Isabel de Saint Amand (wife of Richard de Haudlo)
identified as the daughter of John de Saint Amand, Lord Saint Amand
(died 1330) in the following source:
H.E. Salter, Boarstall Cartulary (1930), pp. 74, 191.
As touching Thomas Griffin's kinship to Richard Beauchamp, it
evidently was based on kinship through Richard Beauchamp's Braybrooke
ancestry, as Braybrooke manors were claimed in the Chancery suit I
posted. I believe the connection is rather remote, however.
Richard Beauchamp's nearest Braybrook relatives were the Brooke family
who descended from Joan Braybrooke, daughter of Reginald Braybrook,
Knt. Richard Beauchamp was descended from Reginald Braybrook's
brother, Gerard Braybrooke. For interest sake, the following colonial
immigrants descend from Joan Braybrooke:
1. Henry & William Randolph.
2. Henry Fleete.
3. Hawte Wyatt.
The next closest set of Braybrooke relatives to Richard Beauchamp were
the descendants of Nichole Braybrooke, wife of Thomas Chaworth, Knt.
Nichole was the half-sister of Reginald and Gerard Braybrooke above.
For interest sake, the following colonial immigrants descend from
Nichole Braybrooke:
1. Richard & William Bernard.
2. Mary Launce.
3. Anne Mauleverer.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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