CP Correction: Margaret, wife of Sir John de Dinham (d. 1332)
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Hello All,
The account for Sir John de Dinham (d. bef 15 April 1332) in CP
provides no positive identification for his wife, stating in the
text (and notes):
" He m., in or before 1310, Margaret (b).... She d. 28 Nov.
1361 (e). "
NOTES:
" (b) Joan, their firstborn da., was born a few weeks before
7 July 5 Edw. II [sic, but 1311 is meant]. (Ch. Inq.
p.m., Edw. III, file 37, no. 3). It is usually stated
that the wife of this John de Dynham was Joan or
Margaret, da. of Sir Guy de Briene, but this is an
error, arising from the fact that a Joan de Briene
married Oliver de Dynham (Close Roll, 26 Edw. III,
m. 29; Patent Roll, 42 Edw. III, p. 2, m. 30), which
Oliver, who died 29 June 1351 (Ch. Inq. p.m., Edw. III,
file 113, no. 10), was s. and h. of another Oliver,
yr. br. of the said John de Dynham. " [1]
Dr. Hannes Kleineke had advised previously that she was in fact
Margaret Botreaux, or de Botreaux, as evidenced by certain
documents in the Cornwall Record Office. Dr. Kleineke advised this
morning that this identification is documented in his thesis, 'The
Dinham Family in the Later Middle Ages' (London Univ. Ph.D., 1998),
p. 27, n. 99. One specific example which Dr. Kleineke gave
evidencing this identification is Lady Margaret Dinham's seal
attached to CRO AR 1/397 [2], which seal " a tree surmounted by two
shields of arms, one of the Dinham arms, the other 'chequy, a
bend', which obviously matches the Botreaux arms of 'chequy or and
gules, a bend vair' admirably." [3]
As Dr. Kleineke also noted, the close association of Lady
Margaret Dinham to Sir Reginald de Botreaux and his son Sir
William is this particular document points further to a familiar
relationship. Based upon Lady Margaret's likely range of birth
dates between say 1292 [her husband born 14 Sept 1295] and no later
than 1297 [her daughter Joan being b. in 1331 - CP IV:373(b)], I
would place her as a daughter of William de Botreaux of Boscastle,
d. ca. 1342 [son of William de Botreaux and Dionisia de
Champernoun] and sister of
(A) Sir Reginald de Botreaux of Boscastle, who d. 1346 [the
supporter in her plea of 'amesurement', in note [2] below],
and
(B) Dionisia, wife of Sir William Basset of Terhidy (fl. 1300-
1340) [4].
All credit, and my thanks, are due to Dr. Hannes Kleineke for
making this identification, and providing the citations for the
same.
Cheers,
John *
NOTES
[1] CP IV:373, sub _Dinham_, and note (b).
[2] PRO, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice
[AR/1/1 - AR/1/527] , AR/1/397:
: Lady Margaret 'de Dyneham' entered into Agreement for
adjustment of dower with her son John, 29 Mar 1343 [Saturday
after Annunciation, 23 Edw III ]:
' Agreement for adjustment of dower
Lady Margaret who was wife of Sir John de Dyneham, knight (1)
Sir John [de Dyneham], son and heir of Sir John (2)
Recites: plea of 'amesurement' [assessment?] of dower betweeen (1)
and (2) at Launceston in the church of St Stephen, by Sir Reginald
de Botriaux, Sir William de Botriaux, Oliver de Carmynou, Sir John
Petit, knights, Master Walter de Botriaux and others on the part of
(1), and Sir Roger abbot of Hertilond, Sir John de Ralegh de
Beaudeport and Oliver de Dyneham on the part of (2); appointment of
4 men to assess the lands of Sir John, and if they could not agree,
then Thomas de Crouthorn to be the fifth; if (1) was found to have
more than was reasonable, then she should return it to (2), and
enjoy the rest peaceably.
' As they could not agree, Thomas appointed a day at Exeter,
Saturday 11th Jan 1343 (Saturday after Epiphany 16 Edw III); (1)
was found to have £11 2s 8 1/2d more than she ought, so that she
made livery of the manor of Bodardel to (2) (its 35 tenants
listed), making yearly 102s 8 1/2d; also half the turbary of the
moor there, worth £6 yearly, and sale of the moor (la vente de la
diste more) to be agreed yearly between them, together with 4s 4d
from certain plots of pasture beside the moor in Halgras, Denetz
[?] and Henbond and the way beside Halgras, to the share of (2),
and the remainder of the pastures, worth 2s 2d, to remain to (1).
[Witnesses : ] Sir Reginald de Botreaux, Sir William de Botreaux,
Sir John de Ralegh, knights, Walter de Sutton, John Fraunceys and
Walter de Horton.
' Seal of (1) ('Sigill' Marga... ...nham').'
[3] Dr. Hannes Kleineke, <RE: Dinham - Brightleigh, Devon; and
the Botreaux connection>, email dated 1 May 2004.
[4] Mark Harry, <Re: CP Addition: Ancestry of the Lords
Botreaux>, SGM, 30 April 2004.
* John P. Ravilious