Roeulx confusion?

[Leo van de Pas]

The du Roeulx family seems to have a few problems, I wonder if anyone can solve some of these.

ES VIII Tafel 45b gives a fairly good outline, but how good is it?

The last lord is called Eustache Canivet, Seigneur de Roeulx, de Silly et de Trazegnies, he died unmarried about December 1287/27 March 1288. He had two sisters, Marie who married Hugo IV of Gent and Agnes who married Birk V van Beveren, Burggraaf van Dixmuiden.

The father of these three was Eustace who died in 1288, son of Eustache Campulus died about 12872 son of another Eustache Canivet.

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ES Volumne XVIII Tafel 116 gives us Jacques de Conde dit de Bauilleul, Sire de Morialme who before 8 September 1235 married Agnes de Roeulx, who died after 30 September 1247 and was a daughter of Eustache Canivet, Seigneur de Roeulx.

Who are these two and where do they fit in?
Eustace Canivet, Seigneur de Roeulx, died circa 1224 and married Marie of Doornick and they had three children : Eustache Campulus, Nicholas and and an unnamed daughter who married "NN d'Ecaussines".
Son Eustace Campulus, Seigneur de Roeulx, died about April 1282 and had married Marie de Trith, they are shown with four sons Eustace, Gilles Rigaud (possibly the same as Payn Roet the father of Catherine Swynford), Arnauld and Thierry.

the eldest son Eustache married (1) Philippe d'Antoing (2) Agnes de Trazegnies and by his second wife had three children : Eustache Canivet the last Seigneur de Roeulx of this family, Marie and Agnes.

This Agnes is marked off as having married Dietrich/Dirk V van Beveren. Sadly it is very hard to find information on this van Beveren family. As a result I have descendants to the present only via Marie wife of Hugo IV of Gent. This couple are ancestors of
Ian Fettes, Peter de Loriol, Tony Hoskins, Tim Powys-Lybbe, Brice Clagett, John Steele Gordon
as well as of Gateway Ancestors
Capt John West, Hon. George Percy, Herbert Pelham, Elizabeth Bosvile, Col. Edward Digges, Anne Humphrey, Charles Calvert, 3rd Lord Baltimore, Col. War4ham Horsmanden, Maria Joanna Somerset, James Clifton, Thomas Hamilton, Wiseman Clagett, William Tryon, Hon. Robert Monckton, John Nelson, Eyre Coote Croker, John Alston, Leighton Wilson, Janet Graham, James Stirling.

[Frebault]

Dear Leo,

you can use Diederick, Dirk, Dietrich, Thierry but not Birk van Beveren,
burggraaf van Diksmuide (Dixmude), now in Belgium

Regards
Henri Frebault

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Dear Monsieur Frebault,
I wonder if perhaps Paon als Gilles de
Roeulx might not be a son of one of the three younger sons as this Eustache
Campulus or perhaps a natural son of the first born as before1282 seems too
long a period for him to be the father of Katherine who is supposed to have been
born around 1350. Did Eustache, son of Eustache Campulus have issue by his 1st
wife Philippe d`Antoing who were excluded from the succession ? Paon Roet /
de Roeulx had a daughter named Philippe, wife of Geoffrey Chaucer. I had
always considered the reason for the use of that name to be Queen Philippe of
England, yet perhaps instead She was named for the wife of a near relative or even
Paon`s own mother.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA

[Frebault]

Dear Leo,

unfortunatly you got only half of the answer. Here the more important part:

we have 2 different Agnès:
Eustache II le Valet 1140-1186 & Berthe de Gavre
Eustache III Canivet 1170-1224 & Marie de Mortagne-du-Nord (or de
Tournai = Doornick)
Agnès +1247 & Jacques de Condé 1210-1259
Eustache IV Campulus 1206-1282 & Marie de Trith
Eustache V 1230-1288 &1247 Philippa d'Antoing 1225-1255
Eustache V 1230-1288 & Agnès de Trazeignies +1270
Eustache VI Canivet +1288
Marie 1260 & Hugues IV de Gand 1235-1288
Agnès & Dirk = Thierry V de Beveren

Regards
Henri Frebault

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