New subscriber posting
Shanna Jones
I am a new subscriber, and here are my interests at the moment. My
line, (or my great great grandmother's) as far as I know goes like
this:
Harriet Temperance Utley 1835- (& William Carter)
Samuel Walton Utley 1799- (& Maria Berry)
Sarah Walton 1779- (& Little John Utley)
Elizabeth Smith 1745- (& William Walton)
Samuel Smith 1709- (& Edith Whitefield)
John Smith 1684- (& Elizabeth Whitfield)
Mary Warner 1664- (& John Smith)
Mildred Reade 1643 (& Augustine Warner)
George Read 1608 (& Elizabeth Martiau)
Mildred Windebank 1585 (& Robert Reade)
Frances Dymoke 1539- (& Thomas Windebank)
Edward Dymoke 1508
Robert Dymoke 1461
Thomas Dymoke 1432
This is where I think it is problematic with dates and things, but then
it supposedly goes to Johanna Conyers
Christopher Robert Conyers
Baron William Conyers
Alice Neville
William Neville, Earl of Kent
Joan de Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland 1375 (there are a few too
many generations for only 57 years here between Dymoke & Joan de
Beaufort)
John, Duke of Lancaster, Edward III, Edward II, etc.
If you can shed some light on my connections, I would really appreciate
it.
Thank you for your time.
Shanna Jones
sjo...@redrock.net
St. George, Utah
ED MANN
>
> Hello,
> I am a new subscriber, and here are my interests at the moment. My
> line, (or my great great grandmother's) as far as I know goes like
> this:
> Harriet Temperance Utley 1835- (& William Carter)
> Samuel Walton Utley 1799- (& Maria Berry)
> Sarah Walton 1779- (& Little John Utley)
> Elizabeth Smith 1745- (& William Walton)
> Samuel Smith 1709- (& Edith Whitefield)
> John Smith 1684- (& Elizabeth Whitfield)
Don't have anything on those above, but I do have from Mary Warner back
to Edward III as follows:
Direct Descendants of Edward III of England
1 King Edward III of England b: 13 Nov 1312 d: 21 Jun 1377 ref #:
F229:12
+Philippa de Hainault b: 24 Jun 1311 d: 15 Aug 1369 ref #:
Ä103-34
2 Prince Lionel Plantagenet aka: Lionel of Antwerp / Duke of Clarence
b: 29 Nov 1338 d: 17 Oct 1368 ref #: F230:11
+Elizabeth de Burgh b: 6 Jul 1332 d: 10 Dec 1363 ref #: F43:12i
3 Philippa Plantagenet b: 16 Aug 1355 d: 5 Jan 1381/82 ref #:
F231:10
+Sir Edmund de Mortimer aka: 3d Earl of March & Ulster b: 1 Feb
1351/52 d: 27 Dec 1381 ref #: W36-9
4 Elizabeth de Mortimer b: 12 Feb 1370/71 d: 20 Apr 1417 ref #:
F148:10
+Sir Henry de Percy aka: "Harry Hotspur" b: 20 May 1364 d: 21 Jul
1403 ref #: F219:9i
5 [4] Sir Henry Percy aka: 2d Earl of Northumberland b: 3 Feb 1392/93
d: 22 May 1455 ref #: F149:9
+[3] Alainor Neville b: Abt. 1407 d: 1472 ref #: F15:11ivf
6 Sir Henry Percy aka: 3d Earl of Northumberland b: 25 Jul 1421 d: 29
Mar 1461 ref #: F149:8
+Alianor Poynings b: Abt. 1422 d: Feb 1483/84 ref #: BxP:211
7 [2] Margaret Percy b: Abt. 1447 ref #: F238:5
+[1] William Gascoigne b: Abt. 1445 d: 4 Mar 1486/87 ref #:
F204:7i
8 Elizabeth Gascoigne b: Abt. 1471 d: 1559 ref #: F238:4
+Sir George Tailboys aka: Lord Kyme b: Abt. 1467 d: 21 Sep 1538
ref #: F262:5i
9 Anne Tailboys b: Abt. 1508 ref #: F238:3
+Sir Edward Dymoke b: 1508 d: 16 Sep 1566 ref #: F95:4i
10 Frances Dymoke b: Abt. 1550 d: Aft. 1610 ref #: F238:2
+Sir Thomas Windebank b: Abt. 1550 d: 24 Oct 1607 ref #: AAP:3
11 Mildred Windebank b: 1584 d: 1656 ref #: F239:1
+Robert Reade b: 1551 d: 1626 ref #: AAP:2
12 Col. George Reade b: 25 Oct 1608 d: 20 Oct 1671 ref #: F239:1iv
+Elizabeth Martiau b: 1625 d: Bef. 24 Jan 1686/87 ref #: AAP:1
13 Mildred Reade d: Abt. 1694 ref #: F239:1ivf
+Col. Augustine Warner, Jr. b: 3 Jun 1642 d: Jun 1681 ref #:
AAP:1
14 Mary Warner ref #: AAP:347
+John Smith, Jr. ref #: AAP:347
15 Mildred Smith b: 1682 ref #: AAP:347
*2nd Husband of Anne Tailboys:
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth de Mortimer:
*2nd Wife of Lionel Plantagenet:
2 Sir John of Gaunt aka: John Plantagenet b: Mar 1339/40 d: 3 Feb
1398/99 ref #: F15:11
*2nd Wife of John of Gaunt:
*3rd Wife of John of Gaunt:
+Katherine Röet aka: Katherine Swynford b: 1350 d: 10 May 1403
3 Joan Beaufort b: Abt. 1379 d: 13 Nov 1440 ref #: F15:11iv
+Sir Robert de Ferrers aka: 2d Baron Ferrers of Wemme b: Abt. 1373
d: 1396 ref #: W102-8
4 Mary de Ferrers aka: Margery de Ferrers b: Abt. 1394 d: 25 Jan
1457/58 ref #: F15:11iva
+Sir Ralph Neville b: Abt. 1392 d: 26 Feb 1457/58 ref #: F204:9
5 John Neville b: Abt. 1416 d: 17 Mar 1481/82 ref #: F204:8
+Elizabeth Newmarch b: Abt. 1420 ref #: BxP:394
6 Joan Neville aka: Jane Neville b: Abt. 1443 ref #: F204:7
+William Gascoigne b: Abt. 1439 d: 1463 ref #: (F204:7)
7 [1] William Gascoigne b: Abt. 1445 d: 4 Mar 1486/87 ref #: F204:7i
+[2] Margaret Percy b: Abt. 1447 ref #: F238:5
*2nd Husband of Joan Neville:
*2nd Husband of Joan Beaufort:
+Sir Ralph de Neville aka: 1st Earl of Westmorland b: Abt. 1364 d:
21 Oct 1425 ref #: W45-7
4 [3] Alainor Neville b: Abt. 1407 d: 1472 ref #: F15:11ivf
*2nd Husband of [3] Alainor Neville:
+[4] Sir Henry Percy aka: 2d Earl of Northumberland b: 3 Feb
1392/93 d: 22 May 1455 ref #: F149:9
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
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References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
Alan B. Wilson
Jones) wrote:
> Hello,
> I am a new subscriber, and here are my interests at the moment. My
> line, (or my great great grandmother's) as far as I know goes like
> this:
> Harriet Temperance Utley 1835- (& William Carter)
> Samuel Walton Utley 1799- (& Maria Berry)
> Sarah Walton 1779- (& Little John Utley)
> Elizabeth Smith 1745- (& William Walton)
> Samuel Smith 1709- (& Edith Whitefield)
> John Smith 1684- (& Elizabeth Whitfield)
> Mary Warner 1664- (& John Smith)
> Mildred Reade 1643 (& Augustine Warner)
> George Read 1608 (& Elizabeth Martiau)
> Mildred Windebank 1585 (& Robert Reade)
> Frances Dymoke 1539- (& Thomas Windebank)
> Edward Dymoke 1508
> Robert Dymoke 1461
> Thomas Dymoke 1432
> This is where I think it is problematic with dates and things, but then
> it supposedly goes to Johanna Conyers
> Christopher Robert Conyers
> Baron William Conyers
> Alice Neville
> William Neville, Earl of Kent
> Joan de Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland 1375 (there are a few too
> many generations for only 57 years here between Dymoke & Joan de
> Beaufort)
> John, Duke of Lancaster, Edward III, Edward II, etc.
>
> If you can shed some light on my connections, I would really appreciate
> it.
> Thank you for your time.
> Shanna Jones
> sjo...@redrock.net
> St. George, Utah
I think you are right to question the chronology of the connections
between Dymoke, Conyers, and Neville. From Faris [#368 in list of
references below], p. 71, I find the following:
John Conyers = Alice Neville
( -1469) | (ca 1437- )
|
Mary le Scrope = (1) William Conyers (2) = Anne Neville
(1468-1524)
|
| 1515
Christopher Conyers = Anne Dacre
( -1538) ( - 1548)
Joan Conyers must have been born by about 1410 (as her son was born
in 1428). She could hardly have been a granddaughter of Christopher
Conyers who died in 1538. The following appears in Faris [368], pp.
94-95:
Sir Robert Conyers
|
Phillip Dymoke = Joan Conyers
|
Thomas Dymoke = Margaret de Welles
(1428-1470) ( -1480)
However, if your descent from Mary Warner and John Smith has been
well documented, you probably have many lines leading to medieval noble
and royal families. The following ancestries are outlined in Roberts
[90]. Although some errors have been found in Roberts, as a secondary
source it is quite sound, and it provides both a road map and some
bibliographies which you can use as points of departure in your efforts to
confirm or extend these lines.
Below are ten generations of the ancestry of John Smith with
references pointing to sources. I've added another four generations with
names only to whet your appetite.
First Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
1 John SMITH.[510]
Second Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
2 John SMITH Jr.[509, p. 347],[90, p. 468]
3 Mary WARNER.[509, p. 347],[90, p. 468]
Third Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
4 John SMITH.[90, p. 468]
5 Anne BERNARD.[90, p. 468]
6 Colonel Augustine WARNER Jr.[368, p. 239],[90, pp. 330, 458],[509, pp.
181, 347, 361]
7 Mildred READE.[368, p. 239],[90, pp. 330, 458],[509, pp. 181, 347, 361]
Fourth Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
10 Richard BERNARD.[90, pp. 144, 382, 468],[75, 46:15],[368, p. 21] Born
ca 1608.[75, 46:15 *] Richard died bef 1653; he was 45.[75, 46:15 +]
On 24 Nov 1634 when Richard was 26, he married Anna CORDRAY in St.
Andrew-in-the-Wardrobe.
11 Anna CORDRAY.[90, pp. 144, 382, 468],[75, 46:15],[368, p. 21] Born ca
1608.[75, 46:15 *] Anna died ca 1670; she was 62.[75, 46:15 +]
12 Augustine WARNER.[90, pp. 330, 468],[509, p. 181]
13 Mary TOWNELEY.[90, pp. 330, 468],[509, p. 181]
14 Colonel George READE.[75, 86:16],[90, pp. 183, 458],[368, p. 239],[509,
pp. 180, 361] Born on 25 Oct 1608.[75, 86:16 * (ca 1608)],[368, p. 239 *]
George died ca 1671; he was 62.[75, 86:16 +] Acting Governor of Virginia
{1638-1639}.[75, 86:16]
15 Elizabeth MARTIAU.[75, 86:16],[90, pp. 183, 458],[368, p. 239],[509,
pp. 180, 361]
Fifth Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
20 Richard BERNARD.[90, p. 144],[75, 46:14],[368, p. 20] Richard died in
1613. Buried on 24 Apr 1613.[75, 46:14]
aft 1605 Richard married Elizabeth WOOLHOUSE.[368, p. 21 =]
21 Elizabeth WOOLHOUSE.[90, p. 144],[75, 46:14],[368, p. 21]
22 William CORDRAY.[75, 46:15],[90, p. 382] William died on 9 Sep
1623.[75, 46:15 +]
23 Bridget GODDARD.[75, 46:15],[90, p. 382] Born ca 1602.[75, 46:15 *]
26 Lawrence TOWNELEY.[90, p. 330],[509, p. 181]
27 Jennet HALSTEAD.[90, p. 330],[509, p. 181]
28 Robert READE.[75, See 86:15],[90, p. 183],[368, p. 239],[509, pp. 180,
361] Born in 1551.[368, p. 239 *] Robert died aft 10 Dec 1626; he was
75.[368, p. 239 +]
On 31 Jul 1600 when Robert was 49, he married Mildred WINDEBANK.[368, p. 239 =]
29 Mildred WINDEBANK.[75, 86:15],[90, p. 183],[368, p. 239],[509, pp. 180,
361] Born in 1584.[368, p. 239 *] Mildred died aft 15 Aug 1630; she was
46.[368, p. 239 +]
30 Captain Nicholas MARTIAU.[75, See 86:16]
31 Jane BERKELEY.[75, See 86:16]
Sixth Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
40 Francis BERNARD.[90, p. 144],[75, 46:13],[368, p. 20] Born in 1526.[75,
46:13 *],[368, p. 20 *] Francis died on 21 Oct 1602; he was 76.[75, 46:13
+]
41 Alice HASELWOOD.[90, p. 144],[75, 46:13],[368, p. 20]
42 Anthony WOOLHOUSE.[75, 46:14],[368, p. 21] haberdasher.[75]
43 Millicent STRELLEY.[75, 46:14],[368, p. 21]
46 Sir Edward GODDARD.[75, 46:15],[90, p. 382]
47 Mary KINGSMILL.[75, 46:15],[90, p. 382]
52 Lawrence TOWNELEY.[90, p. 330],[509, p. 181]
53 Margaret HARTLEY.[90, p. 330],[509, p. 181]
56 Andrew READE.[368, p. 239]
58 Sir Thomas WINDEBANK.[75, 86:14See 86:14],[90, p. 183],[509, pp. 180,
361] Thomas died on 23 Oct 1607.[368, p. 238 +]
On 20 Aug 1556 Thomas married Frances DYMOKE.[368, p. 238 =]
59 Frances DYMOKE.[75, 86:14],[90, p. 183],[368, p. 238],[509, pp. 180,
361] Frances died aft 3 Mar 1610/1611.[368, p. 238 +]
Seventh Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
80 John BERNARD.[75, 46:12],[368, p. 20] Born in 1491.[75, 46:12 *] John
died in 1549; he was 58.[75, 46:12 +] Buried in Abington.[368, p. 20 @]
81 Cecily MUSCOTE.[75, 46:12],[368, p. 20] Cecily died in 1557.[368, p. 20
+] Buried in Abington.[368, p. 20 @]
82 John HASELWOOD.[90, p. 144],[193, ³Gascoigne²],[75, 46:13],[368, p. 20]
83 Alice GASCOIGNE.[90, p. 144],[193, ³Gascoigne²],[75, 46:13]
Faris[368, p. 20] says: ³. . . Alice Haslewood, daughter of John
Haslewood, Esq., of Maidwell, co. Northampton, by Katharine, daughter and
heiress of William Marmion, of Ringston, co. Lincoln.²
86 John STRELLEY.[75, 46:14],[368, p. 21] vintner.[75]
94 Sir John KINGSMILL.[90, p. 382]
95 Constance GORING.[90, p. 382]
104 Lawrence TOWNELEY.[90, p. 330],[509, p. 181]
105 Helen HESKETH.[90, p. 330],[509, p. 181]
116 Sir Richard WINDEBANK.[368, p. 238]
117 Margaret ferch Griffith ap Henry.[368, p. 238]
118 Sir Edward DYMOKE.[75, 86:13],[90, p. 183],[368, p. 238],[509, pp.
180, 361] Born in 1508.[368, p. 238 *] Edward died on 16 Sep 1566; he was
58.[75, See 108:13 + (ca 1566)],[368, p. 238 +]
119 Anne TAILBOYS.[75, 108:13; see 86:13],[90, p. 183],[368, p. 238],[509,
pp. 180, 361]
Eighth Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
160 John BERNARD.[75, 46:11],[368, p. 20] Born in 1469.[75, 46:11 *],[368,
p. 20 *] John died on 20 Aug 1508; he was 39.[75, 46:11 + (1508)],[368, p.
20]
161 Margaret DAUNDELYN.[75, 46:11],[368]
162 John MUSCOTE.[368, p. 20]
163 Alice BEAUFEW.[368, p. 20]
166 Sir William GASCOIGNE.[90, p. 144],[193] Born bef 1502.[193, *]
167 Margaret WRIGHT.[90, p. 144],[193]
190 John GORING.[90, p. 382]
191 Constance DYKE.[90, p. 382]
208 Henry TOWNELEY.[90, p. 330],[509, p. 181]
236 Sir Robert DYMOKE.[75, 86:12],[368, p. 95] Born in 1461.[368, p. 95 *]
Robert died on 13 Apr 1544; he was 83.[368, p. 95 +]
237 Anne SPARROW.[75, See 86:12 (Jane)],[368, p. 95]
238 Sir George TAILBOYS Lord Kyme.[75, 108:12],[90, p. 183],[509, pp. 180,
361] Born in 1477.[75, 108:12 *] George died on 21 Sep 1538; he was
61.[75, 108:12 +]
239 Elizabeth GASCOIGNE.[75, See 108:12],[193],[90, p. 183],[509, pp. 180,
361] Elizabeth died in 1559.[75, See 108:12 +],[193, + (1553)]
Ninth Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
320 John BERNARD.[75, 46:10],[368, p. 20] Born ca 1437.[75, 46:10 *] John
died ca 1485/1486; he was 48.[75, 46:10 +]
321 Margaret le SCROPE.[75, 46:10],[368, p. 20] Margaret died aft
1495.[368, p. 20]
322 William DAUNDELYN.[368, p. 20],[75, 46:11 (John)]
326 Christopher BEAUFEW.[368, p. 20]
332 Sir William GASCOIGNE.[90, p. 144],[193] Born ca 1467.[193, *] William
died on 20 Oct 1551; he was 84.[193, +]
333 Alice FROGNALL.[90, p. 144],[193, ³Gascoigne²]
334 Thomas WRIGHT.[193, ³Gascoigne²]
380 John GORING.[90, p. 382]
381 Joan HEWSTER.[90, p. 382]
416 Lawrence TOWNELEY.[90, p. 330],[509, p. 181]
472 Sir Thomas DYMOKE.[75, See 82:11; 86:11],[368, p. 94] Born ca
1428.[75, 82:11 *] Thomas died on 12 Mar 1470; he was 42.[75, 82:11
+],[368, p. 94 +]
473 Margaret de WELLES.[75, 82:11; 86:11],[368, p. 94] Margaret de died on
13 Jul 1480.[75, 82:11 +]
474 John SPARROW.[75, See 86:12],[368, p. 95]
476 Sir Robert TAILBOYS Lord Kyme.[368, p. 262],[74, 224:37],[75,
108:11],[400] Born ca 1451.[75, 108:11] Robert died on 30 Jan 1494/1495;
he was 43.[75, 108:11 +] Buried in Kyme Priory.[368] sheriff of
Lincolnshire.[74]
bef 1467 when Robert was 16, he married Elizabeth HERON.[368]
477 Elizabeth HERON.[75, 8:14; see 108:11],[400],[74, 223:38],[368, p. 262]
"No evidence that Elizabeth is daughter of Sir John Heron and
Elizabeth Heron." Weis AR[74] [223-37].
478 William GASCOIGNE Sir.[368, p. 238],[74, 3:35; 2:36],[193],[90, pp.
144, 183],[75, 44:10],[509, pp. 180, 361] Of Gawthorpe (Yorks)
England.[74] William died on 4 Mar 1486/1487.[368]
479 Margaret PERCY.[74, 3:35],[368, p. 238],[90, pp. 144, 183],[75,
44:10],[509, pp. 180, 361]
Tenth Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
642 Henry le SCROPE Lord Scrope of Bolton.[75, 46:9],[41],[188],[193] Born
on 4 Jan 1418 in Bolton.[41] Henry died in ae 40 on 14 Jan 1458/1459; he
was 40.[41]
643 Elizabeth SCROPE.[41],[75],[188],[193] Elizabeth died aft 20 Oct 1498.[41]
664 William GASCOIGNE Sir.[368, p. 238],[74, 3:35; 2:36],[193],[90, pp.
144, 183],[75, 44:10],[509, pp. 180, 361] Born in of Gawthorpe (Yorks)
England.[74] William died on 4 Mar 1486/1487.[368]
665 Margaret PERCY.[74, 3:35],[368, p. 238],[90, pp. 144, 183],[75,
44:10],[509, pp. 180, 361]
666 Sir Richard FROGNALL.[193, ³Gascoigne²]
667 Margaret ST. JOHN.[193, ³Gascoigne²]
760 John GORING.[90, p. 382]
761 Margaret RADMYLDE.[90, p. 382]
832 John TOWNELEY.[90, p. 330],[509, p. 181]
833 Isabel SHERBURNE.[90, p. 330],[509, p. 181]
944 Sir Phillip DYMOKE.[75, See 82:11],[368, p. 94]
945 Joan CONYERS.[368, p. 94]
946 Lionel de WELLES Baron.[41, xii(2), 436-450],[74, 202:35],[400],[455,
p. 572],[75, 82:10],[368, p. 277],[90, p. 207] Born in 1406.[41] Lionel
slain at battle of Towton (Yorks) England on 29 Mar 1461; he was
55.[41],[74] Buried in Methley.[368] Governor of Ireland {1438-1442}.
On 15 Aug 1417 when Lionel was 11, he married Joan de WATERTON in St.
Oswald's, Methley (Yorks).[41]
947 Joan de WATERTON.[41, xii(2), 436-450],[74, 202:35],[400],[455, p.
572],[75, 82:10],[90, p. 207],[368, p. 277] Of (Yorks) England.[74] Joan
died aft 18 Oct 1434.[368] Buried in Waterton chapel at Methley.[368]
952 William TAILBOYS Sir.[74, 224:36],[75, 108:10],[400],[368, pp. 28,
262] Born ca 1415 in of Kyme (Lincs) England.[75],[74] William beheaded ca
26 May 1464; he was 49.[75],[74] Buried in Grey Friars, Newcastle.[368]
Lord Kyme.[74]
953 Elizabeth BONVILLE.[74, 261A-39],[75, 22:10; 108:10],[400],[368, pp.
28, 262] Elizabeth died on 14 Feb 1490/1491.[75]
956 William GASCOIGNE Sir.[188],[193],[332],[368],[74],[258],[259],[455,
p. 198],[509, p. 361] Born ca 1427. Of Gawthorp (West Riding, Yorks)
England.[74],[188] William died ca 1464; he was 37.[188]
ca 1458/1460 when William was 31, he married Joan NEVILLE.[74]
957 Joan NEVILLE.[74],[193],[258],[259],[332],[188],[368],[455, p.
198],[509, p. 361] Born ca 1428. Of Oversley (Warwks) & Althorp (Lincs)
England.[74],[188]
958 Sir Henry PERCY Earl of Northumberland.[74],[90, p. 183],[509, pp.
180, 360] Born on 25 Jul 1421.[74] Henry slain at battle of Towton Field
on 29 Mar 1461; he was 39.[74]
ca 25 Jun 1435 when Henry was 13, he married Eleanor POYNINGS.[74]
959 Eleanor POYNINGS.[74],[455, p. 444],[90, p. 183],[509, pp. 180, 360]
Born ca 1422.[74] Eleanor died in Feb 1483/1484; she was 61.[74]
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Eleventh Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
1284 Richard le SCROPE Lord. Richard died on 29 Aug 1420.
1285 Margaret NEVILLE. Margaret died in 1463/1464.
1286 John le SCROPE Lord Scrope. John died on 15 Nov 1455.
1287 Elizabeth CHAWORTH.
1328 William GASCOIGNE Sir. William died ca 1464.
1329 Joan NEVILLE.
1330 Sir Henry PERCY Earl of Northumberland. Henry slain at battle of
Towton Field on 29 Mar 1461.
1331 Eleanor POYNINGS. Eleanor died in Feb 1483/1484.
1334 Oliver ST. JOHN.
1335 Margaret BEAUCHAMP. Margaret died bef 3 Jun 1482.
1522 Ralph RADMYLDE.
1523 Margaret CAMOYS.
1666 Richard SHERBURNE.
1667 Matilda HAMERTON.
1890 Sir Robert CONYERS.
1892 Eudo de WELLES. Eudo died bef 26 Aug 1421.
1893 Maud de GREYSTOKE.
1894 Robert de WATERTON.
1895 Joan de EVERINGHAM.
1904 Walter TAILBOYS Lord Kyme. Walter died on 13 Apr 1444.
1906 William BONVILLE Lord. William beheaded on 18 Feb 1460/1461.
1907 Margaret GREY.
1912 William GASCOIGNE Sir. William died bef 1466.
1913 Margaret CLARELL.
1914 John NEVILLE Lord of Wymersley. John died on 17 Mar 1481/1482.
1915 Elizabeth NEWMARCH. Elizabeth died on 14 May 1487.
1916 Henry PERCY Earl of Northumberland. Henry slain at St. Albans on 22
May 1455.
1917 Eleanor NEVILLE. Eleanor died in 1463.
1918 Richard de POYNINGS.
Twelfth Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
2568 Roger le SCROPE Baron Scrope. Roger died on 3 Dec 1403.
2569 Margaret de TYBOTOT. Margaret died in 1431.
2570 Ralph NEVILLE Earl of Westmorland. Ralph died in Raby Castle (Dur)
England on 21 Oct 1425.
2571 Margaret STAFFORD. Margaret died on 9 Jun 1396.
2572 Stephen le SCROPE Sir. Stephen died on 25 Jan 1405/1406.
2573 Margery de WELLES. Margery died on 29 May 1422.
2574 Thomas CHAWORTH Sir. Thomas died on 17 Feb 1458/1459.
2575 Nicole BRAYBROKE.
2656 William GASCOIGNE Sir. William died bef 1466.
2657 Margaret CLARELL.
2658 John NEVILLE Lord of Wymersley. John died on 17 Mar 1481/1482.
2659 Elizabeth NEWMARCH. Elizabeth died on 14 May 1487.
2660 Henry PERCY Earl of Northumberland. Henry slain at St. Albans on 22
May 1455.
2661 Eleanor NEVILLE. Eleanor died in 1463.
2662 Richard de POYNINGS.
2670 John BEAUCHAMP Sir. John died ca 1412.
2671 Edith STOURTON.
3046 Sir Richard CAMOYS.
3047 Joan POYNINGS.
3332 Richard BAYLEY (alias SHERBURNE).
3333 Agnes STANLEY.
3784 John de WELLES. John died on 26 Aug 1421.
3785 Eleanor de MOWBRAY. Eleanor died on 8 Apr 1426.
3786 Ralph de GREYSTOKE Lord. Ralph died in Apr 1418
3787 Katherine CLIFFORD. Katherine died on 23 Apr 1413.
3790 William de EVERINGHAM.
3808 Walter TAILBOYS Sir. Walter died in Sep 1417.
3809 Margaret.
3812 John BONVILLE Sir. John died on 21 Oct 1396.
3813 Elizabeth FitzROGER. Elizabeth died on 15 Apr 1414.
3814 Reynold GREY Sir. Reynold died on 18 Oct 1440.
3815 Margaret de ROS. Margaret died in 1448.
3824 William GASCOIGNE Sir. William died on 28 Mar 1422.
3825 Joan WYMAN.
3826 Thomas CLARELL. Thomas died on 1 May 1442.
3827 Matilda MONTGOMERY.
3828 Ralph NEVILLE Sir. Ralph died on 26 Feb 1457/1458.
3829 Mary de FERRERS. Mary died on 25 Jan 1457/1458.
3830 Robert NEWMARCH Baron.
3832 Henry "Hotspur" PERCY Sir. Henry "Hotspur" slain at Shrewsbury on 21
Jul 1403.
3833 Elizabeth MORTIMER. Elizabeth died on 20 Apr 1417.
3834 Ralph NEVILLE Earl of Westmorland. Ralph died in Raby Castle (Dur)
England on 21 Oct 1425.
3835 Joan BEAUFORT. Joan died in Howden (Yorks) England on 13 Nov 1440.
Thirteenth Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
5136 Sir Richard le SCROPE. Richard died on 30 May 1403.
5137 Blanche de la POLE. Blanche died aft 1378.
5138 Robert de TYBOTOT Sir. Robert d.s.p.m. on 13 Apr 1372.
5139 Margaret DEINCOURT. Margaret died on 2 Apr 1380.
5140 John NEVILLE. John died in Newcastle-upon-Tyne on 17 Oct 1388.
5141 Maude PERCY. Maude died bef 18 Feb 1378/1379.
5142 Hugh STAFFORD Earl. Hugh died in Isle of Rhodes, Greece on 6 Oct 1386.
5143 Philippa de BEAUCHAMP. Philippa died bef 6 Apr 1386.
5144 Henry SCROPE Sir. Henry died on 31 Jul 1391.
5146 John de WELLES. John died on 26 Aug 1421.
5147 Eleanor de MOWBRAY. Eleanor died on 8 Apr 1426.
5148 William CHAWORTH Sir.
5149 Alice CALTOFTE.
5150 Gerard BRAYBROKE Sir.
5312 William GASCOIGNE Sir. William died on 28 Mar 1422.
5313 Joan WYMAN.
5314 Thomas CLARELL. Thomas died on 1 May 1442.
5315 Matilda MONTGOMERY.
5316 Ralph NEVILLE Sir. Ralph died on 26 Feb 1457/1458.
5317 Mary de FERRERS. Mary de died on 25 Jan 1457/1458.
5318 Robert NEWMARCH Baron.
5320 Henry "Hotspur" PERCY Sir. Henry "Hotspur" slain at Shrewsbury on 21
Jul 1403.
5321 Elizabeth MORTIMER. Elizabeth died on 20 Apr 1417.
5322 Ralph NEVILLE Earl of Westmorland. Ralph died in Raby Castle (Dur)
England on 21 Oct 1425.
5323 Joan BEAUFORT. Joan died in Howden (Yorks) England on 13 Nov 1440.
5340 Roger de BEAUCHAMP Sir. Roger died on 3 May 1406.
5341 Joan CLOPTON.
5342 John STOURTON Sir.
6094 Richard POYNINGS Baron Poynings.
6095 Isabel FitzPAYN.
6664 Richard BAYLEY.
6665 Margaret SHERBURNE.
7568 John de WELLES. John died on 11 Oct 1361.
7569 Maud de ROS. Maud died on 9 Dec 1388.
7570 John de MOWBRAY Baron. John died in Thrace slain by Saracens on 9 Oct 1368.
7571 Elizabeth de SEGRAVE. Elizabeth died bef 9 May 1369.
7572 William de GREYSTOKE. William died in Brancepeth (Dur) on 10 Jul 1359.
7573 Joan FitzHenry. Joan FitzHenry died on 1 Sep 1403 in Clerkenwell (London).
7574 Roger de CLIFFORD Lord. Roger died on 13 Jul 1389.
7575 Maud de BEAUCHAMP. Maud died in 1402/1403.
7616 Henry TAILBOYS. Henry died on 23 Feb 1368/1369.
7617 Eleanor de BOROUGHDON Baroness Kyme.
7624 William BONVILLE Sir. William died in 1408.
7625 Margaret de ALBEMARLE.
7626 John FitzROGER. John died bef 1373.
7627 Alice. Alice died on 27 Mar 1426.
7628 Reynold de GREY. Reynold died in 1388.
7629 Alianore Lestrange. Alianore died in 1396.
7630 Thomas de ROS Sir. Thomas died in Uffington (Lincs) England on 8 Jun 1384.
7631 Beatrice de STAFFORD.
7648 William GASCOIGNE Sir. William died on 6 Dec 1419.
7649 Elizabeth MOWBRAY.
7650 Henry WYMAN. Henry died on 5 Aug 1411.
7652 William CLARELL.
7653 Elizabeth REYGATE.
7654 Nicholas MONTGOMERY Sir.
7655 Margery FOLJAMBE. Margery died on 17 Mar 1456/1457.
7656 Ralph NEVILLE Earl of Westmorland. Ralph died in Raby Castle (Dur)
England on 21 Oct 1425.
7657 Margaret STAFFORD. Margaret died on 9 Jun 1396.
7658 Robert de FERRERS Sir. Robert died bef 27 Nov 1396.
7659 Joan BEAUFORT. Joan died in Howden (Yorks) on 13 Nov 1440.
7664 Henry PERCY Earl. Henry slain Bramsham Moor (Yorks) on 19 Feb 1407/1408.
7665 Margaret de NEVILLE. Margaret died in May 1372.
7666 Edmund de MORTIMER Earl of March. Edmund died in Dominican Friary at
Cork, Ireland on 27 Dec 1381.
7667 Philippe of Clarence Countess. Philippe of Clarence died in 1378/1379.
7668 John NEVILLE. John died in Newcastle-upon-Tyne on 17 Oct 1388.
7669 Maude PERCY. Maude died bef 18 Feb 1378/1379.
7670 John of Gaunt Duke. John of Gaunt died in Leicester Castle on 3 Feb
1398/1399.
7671 Catherine ROET. Catherine died in Lincoln on 10 May 1403.
Fourteenth Generation
‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹‹
10272 Sir Henry le SCROPE. Henry died on 7 Sep 1336.
10273 Margaret Fitz WALTER. Margaret died on 17 Oct 1357.
10274 William de la POLE. William died on 21 Jun 1366.
10275 Catherine de NORWICH. Catherine died on 28 Jan 1381/1382.
10276 John de TYBOTOT. John died on 13 Apr 1367.
10277 Margaret BADLESMERE. Margaret died on 3 Dec 1344/1347.
10278 William DEINCOURT Lord of Blankney. William died on 2 Jun 1364.
10279 Milicent la ZOUCHE. Milicent died on 22 Jun 1379.
10280 Ralph NEVILLE. Ralph died on 5 Aug 1367.
10281 Alice AUDLEY. Alice died on 13 Jan 1374/1375 in Greystoke (Nthumb)
England.
10282 Henry PERCY. Henry died in Warkworth in Feb 1351/1352.
10283 Idonea CLIFFORD. Idonea died on 24 Aug 1365.
10284 Ralph de STAFFORD Earl. Ralph died in Tunbridge Castle on 31 Aug 1372.
10285 Margaret de AUDLEY Baroness. Margaret died on 16 Sep 1348.
10286 Thomas de BEAUCHAMP Earl of Warwick. Thomas died in Calais on 16 Nov 1369.
10287 Katherine de MORTIMER. Katherine died in 1371.
10288 Geoffrey SCROPE Sir. Geoffrey died in Ghent in Dec 1340.
10289 Ivetta ROOS.
10292 John de WELLES. John died on 11 Oct 1361.
10293 Maud de ROS. Maud died on 9 Dec 1388.
10294 John de MOWBRAY Baron. John died in Thrace slain by Saracens on 9
Oct 1368.
10295 Elizabeth de SEGRAVE. Elizabeth died bef 9 May 1369.
10296 Thomas CHAWORTH.
10297 Margaret.
10298 Sir John CALTOFTE.
10624 William GASCOIGNE Sir. William died on 6 Dec 1419.
10625 Elizabeth MOWBRAY.
10626 Henry WYMAN. Henry died on 5 Aug 1411.
10628 William CLARELL.
10629 Elizabeth REYGATE.
10630 Nicholas MONTGOMERY Sir.
10631 Margery FOLJAMBE. Margery died on 17 Mar 1456/1457.
10632 Ralph NEVILLE Earl of Westmorland. Ralph died in Raby Castle (Dur)
England on 21 Oct 1425.
10633 Margaret STAFFORD. Margaret died on 9 Jun 1396.
10634 Robert de FERRERS Sir. Robert died bef 27 Nov 1396.
10635 Joan BEAUFORT. Joan died in Howden (Yorks) England on 13 Nov 1440.
10640 Henry PERCY Earl. Henry slain Bramsham Moor (Yorks) on 19 Feb 1407/1408.
10641 Margaret de NEVILLE. Margaret died in May 1372.
10642 Edmund de MORTIMER Earl of March. Edmund died in Dominican Friary at
Cork, Ireland on 27 Dec 1381.
10643 Philippe of Clarence Countess. Philippe died in 1378/1379.
10644 John NEVILLE. John died in Newcastle-upon-Tyne on 17 Oct 1388.
10645 Maude PERCY. Maude died bef 18 Feb 1378/1379.
10646 John of Gaunt Duke. John of Gaunt died in Leicester Castle on 3 Feb
1398/1399.
10647 Catherine ROET. Catherine died in Lincoln on 10 May 1403.
10680 Roger de BEAUCHAMP. Roger died bef Jan 1379/1380.
10682 William CLOPTON.
12190 Robert FitzPAYN (formerly GREY) Baron FitzPayn.
12191 Elizabeth de BRIAN.
13330 Sir Richard SHERBURNE.
13331 Alice de PLUMPTON. Alice died aft 21 Mar 1400.
15136 Adam de WELLES. Adam died in Feb 1344/1345.
15137 Margaret BARDOLF.
15138 William III de ROS. William III died on 3 Feb 1342/1343.
15139 Margery de BADLESMERE. Margery died on 18 Oct 1363.
15140 John de MOWBRAY Baron. John died on 4 Oct 1361.
15141 Joan PLANTAGENET. Joan died on 7 Jul 1349.
15142 John de SEGRAVE Baron. John died on 1 Apr 1353.
15143 Margaret PLANTAGENET. Margaret died on 24 Mar 1398/1399.
15144 Ralph de GREYSTOKE Lord Greystoke. Ralph poisoned at Gateshead on 14
Jul 1323.
15145 Alice AUDLEY. Alice died on 13 Jan 1374/1375.
15146 Henry FitzHENRY. Henry died on 24 Sep 1352.
15147 Joan de FOURNEUX. Joan died in Sep 1349.
15148 Robert de CLIFFORD.
15149 Isabel de BERKELEY. Isabel died in 1362.
15150 Thomas de BEAUCHAMP Earl of Warwick. Thomas died in Calais on 16 Nov 1369.
15151 Katherine de MORTIMER. Katherine died in 1371.
15232 William TAILBOYS.
15233 Margaret.
15234 Gilbert de BOROUGHDON.
15235 Elizabeth de UMFRAVILLE.
15248 Nicholas de BONVILLE. Nicholas died ca 1354.
15249 Joan de CHAMPERNON.
15250 William de ALBEMARLE Sir. William died in 1361.
15251 Agnes de Meriet.
15252 Henry FitzROGER Sir. Henry died in 1352.
15253 Elizabeth de HOLAND. Elizabeth died on 13 Jul 1387.
15256 Roger de GREY Sir. Roger died on 6 Mar 1352/1353.
15257 Elizabeth de HASTINGS.
15258 Roger LESTRANGE Sir. Roger died on 23 Aug 1382.
15259 Aline FitzALAN. Aline died on 20 Jan 1385/1386.
15260 William III de ROS. William III died on 3 Feb 1342/1343.
15261 Margery de BADLESMERE. Margery died on 18 Oct 1363.
15262 Ralph de STAFFORD Earl. Ralph on 31 Aug 1372.
15263 Margaret de AUDLEY Baroness. Margaret died on 16 Sep 1348.
15296 William GASCOIGNE..
15297 Agnes FRANKE.
15298 Alexander MOWBRAY.
15299 Elizabeth MUSTERS.
15304 Thomas CLARELL Sir. Thomas died bef 1363.
15305 Isabella ST. PHILIBERT.
15310 Godfrey FOLJAMBE Sir.
15311 Margaret de VILERS.
15312 John NEVILLE. John died on 17 Oct 1388.
15313 Maude PERCY. Maude died bef 18 Feb 1378/1379.
15314 Hugh STAFFORD Earl. Hugh died on 6 Oct 1386.
15315 Philippa de BEAUCHAMP. Philippa died bef 6 Apr 1386.
15316 Robert de FERRERS Sir. Robert died ca 31 Dec 1380.
15317 Elizabeth le BOTILLER. Elizabeth died on 19 Jun 1411.
15318 John of Gaunt Duke. John of Gaunt died on 3 Feb 1398/1399.
15319 Catherine ROET. Catherine died on 10 May 1403.
15328 Henry de PERCY. Henry died ca 18 May 1368.
15329 Mary PLANTAGENET. Mary died on 1 Sep 1362.
15330 Ralph NEVILLE. Ralph died on 5 Aug 1367.
15331 Alice AUDLEY. Alice died on 13 Jan 1374/1375.
15332 Roger de MORTIMER Earl. Roger died on 26 Feb 1359/1360.
15333 Philippe de MONTAGU. Philippe died on 5 Jan 1381/1382.
15334 Lionel of Antwerp Duke of Clarence. Lionel died in Alba, Piedmont,
Italy on 17 Oct 1368.
15335 Elizabeth de BURGH Lady. Elizabeth died on 10 Dec 1363.
15336 Ralph NEVILLE. Ralph died on 5 Aug 1367.
15337 Alice AUDLEY. Alice died on 13 Jan 1374/1375.
15338 Henry PERCY. Henry died in Warkworth in Feb 1351/1352.
15339 Idonea CLIFFORD. Idonea died on 24 Aug 1365.
15340 Edward III of Windsor King of England. Edward III died in Sheen
Palace Richmond (Surrey) on 21 Jun 1377.
15341 Philippa of Hainault. Philippa died in Windsor Castle, Windsor
(Berks) England on 15 Aug 1369.
15342 Payne of Guienne ROET Sir.
--
Alan B. Wilson
abwi...@uclink2.berkeley.edu
gmsb...@snowcrest.net
has a block buster going and Spence is shinning in his new revised edition>
RWB
>
>This exchange is quite interesting and has ramifications beyond the
>immediate ancestors and descendants shown infra.
>
>As gentle readers have noted, we have yet another descent from Edward III, a
>rather famous one here.
>
>Does anyone have a *Stammreihe* [Descendants List] (including the younger
>sons and daughters) for Thomas Warner [b. 1580 Hoe, Norfolk County, England;
>d. ?] who reportedly married Elizabeth Southerton in St Mary's, Hellesdon,
>Norfolk County, England on 15 Oct 1602? Elizabeth [Southerton] Warner was
>born circa 1582 and allegedly died after 1629.
>
>Thomas and Elizabeth were reportedly the Parents of Colonel Augustine
>Warner, Sr. [1611-1674] who married Mary Towneley [1614-1662] in 1635.
>
>Just five generations, i.e., Thomas and Elizabeth Warner plus four
>generations of descendants would be most helpful.
>
>Thank you.
>--
>
>D. Spencer Hines --- "I said in 1992 he's a bright young guy in business, I
>might put him somewhere and train him to be a middle manager. Right now I
>wouldn't have him third shift in a hamburger stand responsible for cleaning
>out the sink after everybody had gone home." --- H. Ross Perot, Texas
>billionaire, who spent $65 million of his own money in 1992 defeating
>President George Herbert Walker Bush and opening the door to President
>William Jefferson Clinton. [9/26/98]
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ED MANN <EDL...@MAIL2.LCIA.COM>
>To: GEN-R...@rootsweb.com <GEN-R...@rootsweb.com>
>Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 2:34 PM
>Subject: Re: New subscriber posting
>
>
>Shanna Jones wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> I am a new subscriber, and here are my interests at the moment. My
>> line, (or my great great grandmother's) as far as I know goes like
>> this:
>> Harriet Temperance Utley 1835- (& William Carter)
>> Samuel Walton Utley 1799- (& Maria Berry)
>> Sarah Walton 1779- (& Little John Utley)
>> Elizabeth Smith 1745- (& William Walton)
>> Samuel Smith 1709- (& Edith Whitefield)
>> John Smith 1684- (& Elizabeth Whitfield)
>> Mary Warner 1664- (& John Smith)
>> Mildred Reade 1643 (& Augustine Warner)
>
>Some famous cousins:
>
>Descendants of Augustine Warner, Jr.
>
>1 Col. Augustine Warner, Jr. b: 3 Jun 1642 d: Jun 1681 ref #: AAP:1
> +Mildred Reade d: Abt. 1694 ref #: F239:1ivf
>2 Mildred Warner b: Abt. 1671 d: 1701 ref #: W86-18
> +Capt. Lawrence Washington b: Sep 1659 d: Feb 1697/98 ref #:
>F275:1ia
>3 Capt. Augustine Washington b: Abt. 1694 d: 12 Apr 1743 ref #:
>W86-19
> +Jane Butler
>4 Lawrence Washington b: 1718 d: Jul 1752
> +Anne Fairfax aka: Nancy Fairfax
>*2nd Wife of Augustine Washington:
> +Mary Ball b: Abt. 1708 d: 25 Aug 1789 ref #: AAP:1
>4 Gen. George Washington aka: 1st President of the United States b:
>22 Feb 1731/32 d: 14 Dec 1799 ref #: W86-20
> +Martha Dandridge b: 21 Jun 1731 d: 22 May 1802 ref #: AAP:1
>4 Elizabeth Washington b: 20 Jun 1733 d: 31 Mar 1797 ref #: W86-20
> +Col. Fielding Lewis
>*2nd Husband of Mildred Warner:
> +George Gale ref #: AAP:1
>2 Mary Warner ref #: AAP:347
> +John Smith, Jr. ref #: AAP:347
>3 Mildred Smith b: 1682 ref #: AAP:347
> +Robert Porteus b: Abt. 1679 d: 1758 ref #: AAP:347
>4 Rev. Robert Porteus, Jr. b: Abt. 1705 d: 1754 ref #: AAP:347
> +Judith Cockayne b: 1702 d: 1789 ref #: AAP:347
>5 Mildred Porteus b: 1744 ref #: AAP:347
> +Robert Hodgson b: 1740 ref #: AAP:347
>6 Very Rev. Robert Hodgson b: Abt. 1776 d: 1844 ref #: AAP:347
> +Mary Tucker b: Abt. 1778 ref #: AAP:347
>7 Henrietta Mildred Hodgson ref #: AAP:347
> +Oswald Smith b: 1794 d: 1863 ref #: AAP:347
>8 Frances Dora Smith b: 1830 d: 5 Feb 1922 ref #: AAP:347
> +Sir Claude Bowes-Lyon aka: 13th Earl of Strathmore & Kinghorne b:
>21 Jul 1824 d: 16 Feb 1904 ref #: AAP:347
>9 Sir Claude George Bowes-Lyon aka: 14th Earl of Strathmore &
>Kinghorne b: 1855 d: 7 Nov 1944 ref #: AAP:347
> +Nina Cecilia Cavendish-Bentinck b: 11 Sep 1862 d: 23 Jun 1938
>ref #: BPci:1759
>10 Elizabeth Angela Marguerite Bowes-Lyon b: 4 Aug 1900 ref #:
>AAP:347
> +King George VI of England b: 14 Dec 1895 d: 6 Feb 1952 ref #:
>AAP:347
>11 Queen Elizabeth II of England aka: Queen of Great Britain b: 21
>Apr 1926 ref #: AAP:347
> +Prince Philip Glücksberg b: 10 Jun 1921 ref #: AAP:347
>12 HRH Prince Charles Philip Arthur George Windsor b: 14 Nov 1948
>ref #: AAP:347
> +Diana Frances Spencer b: 1 Jul 1961 d: 31 Aug 1997 ref #:
>AAP:347
>13 William Arthur Philip Louis Windsor b: 21 Jun 1982 ref #:
>AACPW:22.8
>13 Henry Charles Albert David Windsor b: 1984 ref #: AAP:347
>12 Anne Elizabeth Alice Louise Windsor b: 1950
> +Timothy Lawrence
>*2nd Husband of Anne Elizabeth Alice Louise Windsor:
> +Mark Anthony Peter Phillips
>13 Peter Mark Andrew Phillips
>13 Sara Anne Elizabeth Phillips
>12 Andrew Albert Christian Windsor b: 1960 ref #: BRF:333
> +Sarah Margaret Ferguson b: 15 Oct 1959 ref #: (BRF:333)
>13 Beatrice Elizabeth Mary Windsor b: 8 Aug 1988 ref #: BRF:333
>13 Eugenie Victoria Helena Windsor b: 23 Mar 1990 ref #: BRF:333
>12 Edward Antony Richard Louis Windsor b: 10 Mar 1964
>11 Margaret Rose Windsor b: 1930
> +Anthony Armstrong-Jones
>12 David Armstrong-Jones b: 1961
>12 Sarah Elizabeth Frances Armstrong-Jones b: 1964
>
>--
>FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
>
>Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
>
Reedpcgen
The earlier Corderoy ancestry, with a new connection to the Seymour family, is
the subject of an article by me in July TAG, and continuing in October TAG.
I have also worked on the Dymoke ancestry before, but do not have the files
here. I believe the source you have used has connected to the wrong Conyers
line. The correct line does not connect to any remarkable royalty. Maddison
(HS 55:1204) says that Sir Thomas Dymoke, aged 27 in 33 Henry VI [1455],
Champion [by way of descent from the Marmions] of Edward IV, was son of Sir
Philip Dymoke (aged 22 in 10 Henry V, died 23 Sep. 1455), Champion of Henry VI,
by his wife, Joane Conyers, daughter of Christpher Conyers of Sokbourne, co.
Durham. Surtees History of the County of Durham has a good account of the
Conyers family.
But for some reason I seem to recall that another source gave her as daughter
of Robert Conyers, of a completely different family. If I can find the files,
I'll post more.
The most direct connection to royalty for this line of descent comes through
Sir Thomas Dymoke's wife, Margaret, 3rd daughter and coheir of Lyon Welles,
Lord Welles.
pcr