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C.P. Correction: Joan de Cherleton, wife of John de Beauchamp, Knt, (died 1389), of Powick, Worcestershire
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Douglas Richardson
Oct 8, 2013, 4:40:53 PM10/8/13
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Complete Peerage 2 (1912): 46, footnote f (sub Beauchamp of Powick) includes information regarding the extended ancestry of John Beauchamp, K.G., 1st Lord Beauchamp of Powick (died 1475).
The footnote identifies John Beauchamp's father, Sir William Beauchamp, Knt. (died 1420), of Powick, Worcestershire as "son and heir of John [de Beauchamp], who died between 1378 and 1401, by Elizabeth, who died 1411 ..." END OF QUOTE.
Some years ago I identified the first wife of the elder John de Beauchamp, Knt. (died 1389), of Powick, Worcestershire, as Joan de Cherleton, daughter of John de Cherleton, Knt., 2nd Lord Cherleton of Powis, by Maud, daughter of Roger de Mortimer, Knt., 1st Earl of March. Conclusive evidence of this marriage is provided by a fine dated 2 May 1351 published in Stokes et al., Warwickshire Feet of Fines 3 (Dugdale Soc. 18) (1943): 20; see also National Archives, E 210/9492.
Previous accounts of the Beauchamp family (as Complete Peerage above) have assumed that Sir John de Beauchamp had his children by his 2nd surviving wife, Elizabeth, presumably because Elizabeth referred to Sir John’s children, William and Walter, as her “sons” in her will. In this period, however, it was customary for a widow to address either her son or step-son as “son” in her last will and testament. As such, Elizabeth’s will can not be used as evidence that she was the mother of William and Walter. As for evidence that Sir John de Beauchamp’s 1st wife, Joan de Cherleton, was mother of Sir John’s children, research indicates that Walter’s son, Richard Beauchamp, Bishop of Salisbury, was repeatedly styled “king’s kinsman” by King Edward IV of England [see Rymer Fœdera 12 (1727): 93; C.P.R. 1467–1477 (1900): 368, 563, 573; C.P.R. 1476–1485 (1901): 276]. King Edward IV was a descendant of Edmund de Mortimer, uncle of Joan de Cherleton. If Bishop Richard was Joan de Cherleton’s grandson, it would readily explain the kinship between the two men; otherwise, no apparent link exists between the king and Bishop Richard.
In more recent time I've determined that Sir William Beauchamp, another son of Walter and brother of Bishop Richard, was styled “cousin” by Humphrey Stafford, Duke of Buckingham in a letter dated c.1449–57 [Reference: Surrey Hist. Centre: More, later More Molyneux Fam. of Loseley Park, Guildford, Loose Correspondence & Papers, Part I, LM/COR/1/19]. Sir William was likewise styled “cousin” by Henry [Beauchamp], Earl [later Duke] of Warwick in a letter dated ?1442 [Reference: Surrey Hist. Centre: More Molyneux Fam. of Loseley Park, Hist. Corr. Volumes, 6729/2/14]. Duke Humphrey and Duke Henry are both great-grandsons of Thomas de Beauchamp, K.G., Earl of Warwick (died 1369), and his wife, Katherine, daughter of Roger de Mortimer, Knt., 1st Earl of March. Accepting that Sir William de Beauchamp's grandmother was Joan de Cherleton, he would be near related to both dukes in the 4th degree, that is, third cousins. Otherwise there would be no near kinship between these men.
As for identity of Elizabeth (died 1411), 2nd wife of Sir John Beauchamp (died 1389), a contemporary record shows that Elizabeth shared property interests at Willian, Hertfordshire with Joan, 1st wife of Robert de Freville, of Little Shelford, Cambridgeshire, presumably her sister [see C.C.R. 1374–1377 (1913): 220]. As such, it is possible that Elizabeth de Beauchamp and Joan de Freville were hitherto unknown daughters of Nicholas Peyvre (or Pever), Knt., 3rd Lord Peyvre, who held the manor of Willian, Hertfordshire at his death in 1361 [For the Peyvre family, see C.P. 10 (1945): 516 (sub Peyvre); VCH Bedford 2 (1912): 440; VCH Buckingham 3 (1925): 394)]. In any event, care must be taken to distinguish Elizabeth, 2nd wife of John de Beauchamp, of Powick, with a contemporary Isabel (or Elizabeth) Attwood, wife of John de Beauchamp (died c.1367), of Holt, Worcestershire, for whom see VCH Worcester 3 (1913): 403–404.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the numerous 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from John de Beauchamp, Knt. (died 1389), of Powick, Worcestershire, and his wife, Joan de Cherleton:
Robert Abell, Dorothy Beresford, Thomas Booth, Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Charles Calvert, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Edward Foliot, Edmund, Edward, Matthew, & Richard Kempe, Thomas Ligon, Nathaniel Littleton, Thomas Owsley, Mary Johanna Somerset, Hawte Wyatt, Amy Wyllys.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Complete Peerage 2 (1912): 46, footnote f (sub Beauchamp of Powick) includes information regarding the extended ancestry of John Beauchamp, K.G., 1st Lord Beauchamp of Powick (died 1475).
The footnote identifies John Beauchamp's father, Sir William Beauchamp, Knt. (died 1420), of Powick, Worcestershire as "son and heir of John [de Beauchamp], who died between 1378 and 1401, by Elizabeth, who died 1411 ..." END OF QUOTE.
Some years ago I identified the first wife of the elder John de Beauchamp, Knt. (died 1389), of Powick, Worcestershire, as Joan de Cherleton, daughter of John de Cherleton, Knt., 2nd Lord Cherleton of Powis, by Maud, daughter of Roger de Mortimer, Knt., 1st Earl of March. Conclusive evidence of this marriage is provided by a fine dated 2 May 1351 published in Stokes et al., Warwickshire Feet of Fines 3 (Dugdale Soc. 18) (1943): 20; see also National Archives, E 210/9492.
Previous accounts of the Beauchamp family (as Complete Peerage above) have assumed that Sir John de Beauchamp had his children by his 2nd surviving wife, Elizabeth, presumably because Elizabeth referred to Sir John’s children, William and Walter, as her “sons” in her will. In this period, however, it was customary for a widow to address either her son or step-son as “son” in her last will and testament. As such, Elizabeth’s will can not be used as evidence that she was the mother of William and Walter. As for evidence that Sir John de Beauchamp’s 1st wife, Joan de Cherleton, was mother of Sir John’s children, research indicates that Walter’s son, Richard Beauchamp, Bishop of Salisbury, was repeatedly styled “king’s kinsman” by King Edward IV of England [see Rymer Fœdera 12 (1727): 93; C.P.R. 1467–1477 (1900): 368, 563, 573; C.P.R. 1476–1485 (1901): 276]. King Edward IV was a descendant of Edmund de Mortimer, uncle of Joan de Cherleton. If Bishop Richard was Joan de Cherleton’s grandson, it would readily explain the kinship between the two men; otherwise, no apparent link exists between the king and Bishop Richard.
In more recent time I've determined that Sir William Beauchamp, another son of Walter and brother of Bishop Richard, was styled “cousin” by Humphrey Stafford, Duke of Buckingham in a letter dated c.1449–57 [Reference: Surrey Hist. Centre: More, later More Molyneux Fam. of Loseley Park, Guildford, Loose Correspondence & Papers, Part I, LM/COR/1/19]. Sir William was likewise styled “cousin” by Henry [Beauchamp], Earl [later Duke] of Warwick in a letter dated ?1442 [Reference: Surrey Hist. Centre: More Molyneux Fam. of Loseley Park, Hist. Corr. Volumes, 6729/2/14]. Duke Humphrey and Duke Henry are both great-grandsons of Thomas de Beauchamp, K.G., Earl of Warwick (died 1369), and his wife, Katherine, daughter of Roger de Mortimer, Knt., 1st Earl of March. Accepting that Sir William de Beauchamp's grandmother was Joan de Cherleton, he would be near related to both dukes in the 4th degree, that is, third cousins. Otherwise there would be no near kinship between these men.
As for identity of Elizabeth (died 1411), 2nd wife of Sir John Beauchamp (died 1389), a contemporary record shows that Elizabeth shared property interests at Willian, Hertfordshire with Joan, 1st wife of Robert de Freville, of Little Shelford, Cambridgeshire, presumably her sister [see C.C.R. 1374–1377 (1913): 220]. As such, it is possible that Elizabeth de Beauchamp and Joan de Freville were hitherto unknown daughters of Nicholas Peyvre (or Pever), Knt., 3rd Lord Peyvre, who held the manor of Willian, Hertfordshire at his death in 1361 [For the Peyvre family, see C.P. 10 (1945): 516 (sub Peyvre); VCH Bedford 2 (1912): 440; VCH Buckingham 3 (1925): 394)]. In any event, care must be taken to distinguish Elizabeth, 2nd wife of John de Beauchamp, of Powick, with a contemporary Isabel (or Elizabeth) Attwood, wife of John de Beauchamp (died c.1367), of Holt, Worcestershire, for whom see VCH Worcester 3 (1913): 403–404.
For interest's sake, the following is a list of the numerous 17th Century New World immigrants that descend from John de Beauchamp, Knt. (died 1389), of Powick, Worcestershire, and his wife, Joan de Cherleton:
Robert Abell, Dorothy Beresford, Thomas Booth, Elizabeth Bosvile, George, Giles & Robert Brent, Charles Calvert, Frances, Jane & Katherine Deighton, Edward Foliot, Edmund, Edward, Matthew, & Richard Kempe, Thomas Ligon, Nathaniel Littleton, Thomas Owsley, Mary Johanna Somerset, Hawte Wyatt, Amy Wyllys.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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