Re: First wife of Rev. William Skipper of Massachusetts named Jane ...?
Douglas Richardson
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Dora Smith
who researched it, and who commissioned it? Does it happen to include his
German Polish Jewish grandfather? If not I'm not particularly interested
in what it has to say.
Kerry is the man whose grandfather was a German/ Polish Jew, who could care
less and couldn't even say so straight out. First thing that clued me in
that this man probably can't tell the truth about anything to save himself
and lacks the emotional capacity for leadership, all of which was borne out
in his campaign.
I wouldn't trust genealogical information even associated with John Kerry.
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Dora Smith
Austin, TX
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"John Brandon" <starb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Reitwiesner's AT of Sen. John Kerry shows ...
>
> # 7550 Rev. William Skepper, b. ... [bapt. Boston, co. Lincs., 27
> Nov. 1597], d. ... [before 1646]
> m. ... [by 1639]
> # 7551 ...... , b. ... , d. ...
>
> Their child, Jane Skepper, wife of Abraham Brown of Boston, Mass, is
> shown as follows:
>
> # 3775 Jane Skepper, b. ... [bapt. Thorpe-in-the-Marsh, co. Lincs.,
> 9 Jan. 1634/5], d. ... [after 1682]
>
> http://www.wargs.com/political/kerry.html
>
> Maddison's _Lincs. Pedigrees_ gives similar scanty information on Rev.
> William Skipper, showing his wife as only "..... dau. of .....":
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA883&dq=%22william+skepper%22+boston#PPA884,M1
>
> Another child of Rev. William and his unknown first wife was almost
> certainly a Catherine Skipper, who married John Maverick and second
> John Johnson of Charlestown and Haverhill (probably my ancestor by his
> earlier, Maverick wife, a sister-in-law of future wife Catherine).
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=4YEAAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA252&dq=%22katherine+skipper%22+william#PPA252,M1
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=5PnyCHQz2ooC&pg=RA5-PA635&dq=%22katherine+skipper%22+william#PRA5-PA635,M1
>
> There are a number of patron-submitted entries in the IGI for this
> Catherine, most showing her born 1637 or 1637, married to a John
> Johnson, and one even explicitly stating she was the daughter of Rev.
> William Skipper by later wife Sarah Fisher. One IGI extracted entry
> is of particular interest, however:
>
> Old Bolingbroke, co. Lincoln
> --Catherin Skepper, dau. of Willm and Jane, bapt. 1637 [is part of
> this entry illegible or missing?]
>
> As Old Bolingbroke is very close to Thorpe-in-the-Marsh, co. Lincoln,
> where daughter Jane had been baptized two years earlier, I think it is
> safe to assume that Rev. William's first wife was named Jane as well.
>
Dora Smith
Kerry's history, on a single web page.
http://www.wargs.com/political/kerry.html
He does include full information on the Polish German Jewish grandfather,
which he got from the people who researched it, which contributes immensely
to the credibility of his site. John Kerry had nothing whatever to do with
any part of it.
Unfortunately the information is extremely sketchy, gives no sources, adn
includes no notes.
Most of the sources mentioned here are unreliable and give little
information. IGI is hardly a reliable source of information - except where
it extracts from local records.
Is that what is meant by "IGI extracted entry"?
If so, maybe this is the correct couple and child, and maybe it is not.
There is reason to wonder, but it is completely inconclusive. Nevertheless
I'll add it to my notes.
Tim
> > As Old Bolingbroke is very close to Thorpe-in-the-Marsh, co. Lincoln,
> > where daughter Jane had been baptized two years earlier, I think it is
> > safe to assume that Rev. William's first wife was named Jane as well.
>
> Skipper's sister-in-law Mary (Cater) Skipper remarrying "at
> Bolingbroke, 28 Oct. 1639, Richard Smyth."
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA883&dq=%22william+...
I've always found John Kerry to be an honest, conscientious, and
effective Senator. His genealogy was not researched until he ran for
president in 2004 and he himself apparently had little or no knowledge
of his Eastern European Jewish heritage until then. His paternal
grandparents were Austrian (Czechoslovakian) jews who converted to
Christianity before emigrating to the United States. They also changed
their name from Kohn to Kerry. I believe Senator Kerry has referred to
it publicly a few times since then. His maternal line goes back to
Gov. Winthrop of early colonial Massachusetts.
Douglas Richardson
>
< I've always found John Kerry to be an honest, conscientious, and
< effective Senator. His genealogy was not researched until he ran for
< president in 2004 and he himself apparently had little or no
knowledge
< of his Eastern European Jewish heritage until then. His paternal
< grandparents were Austrian (Czechoslovakian) jews who converted to
< Christianity before emigrating to the United States. They also
changed
< their name from Kohn to Kerry. I believe Senator Kerry has referred
to
< it publicly a few times since then. His maternal line goes back to
< Gov. Winthrop of early colonial Massachusetts.
Dear Tim ~
I have a personal interest in Senator Kerry's ancestry, as we both
descend from the colonial governor, John Winthrop the Elder. My
Winthrop line comes through my great-grandmother, Avyette (Taylor)
Richardson.
As an aside, my direct male line ancestor, Amos Richardson (c.
1618-1683), first showed up in records in America in 1639 as a witness
for a deed for Governor John Winthrop the Elder. Amos was subsequenty
a life long friend of Governor John Winthrop the Younger, who
eventually induced Amos to leave Boston and move to Connecticut. I
get the impression that Governor Winthrop the Younger was a very
decent person and quite intelligent. As for Amos, I've found him
called "honest Mr. Richardson" in at least two private letters. A
good trait - honesty.
DR
Dora Smith
Whatever.
> I've always found John Kerry to be an honest, conscientious, and
> effective Senator.
That makes one of us.
> I have a personal interest in Senator Kerry's ancestry, as we both
> descend from the colonial governor, John Winthrop the Elder. My
> Winthrop line comes through my great-grandmother, Avyette (Taylor)
> Richardson.
Whatever.
< A
> good trait - honesty.
Obviously an idiot is someone whose parents taught her what honesty is.
I lost interest in Kerry's ancestry when I realized he lacks the fundamental
capacity to be honest to save his life. Obviously I share ancestry with
him too - too bad.
Enough with Mr. WhtasitBoat's ancestry.
Double whatever.
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Dora Smith
Austin, TX
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"Tim" <A.Win...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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D. Spencer Hines
General and Secretary of Defense?
DSH
"Dora Smith" <vill...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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Douglas Richardson
< Does this link you genetically to Eliot Richardson, the former
Attorney
< General and Secretary of Defense?
<
< DSH
Dear Spencer ~
I don't know. I doubt it, though.
D. Spencer Hines
Eliot R. was also a descendant of John Winthrop The Elder, as I recall.
DSH
"Douglas Richardson" <royala...@msn.com> wrote in message
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Tim
> Hmmmmmmm...
>
> Eliot R. was also a descendant of John Winthrop The Elder, as I recall.
>
> DSH
>
>
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>
>
>
> > On Sep 15, 9:29 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <pant...@excelsior.com> wrote:
> > < Does this link you genetically to Eliot Richardson, the former
> > Attorney General and Secretary of Defense?
> > <
> > < DSH
>
> > Dear Spencer ~
>
> > I don't know. I doubt it, though.
>
>
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William Reitweisner's genealogy of Senator Kerry lists 4 members of
the Weld family: #3748 Joseph Weld (died 1646) ; #1923 Elizabeth Weld
(died 1715, aged about 91 yrs.) ; #1874 Daniel Weld (born 1642, died
1690) ; #937 Elizabeth Weld (born 1675, died 1770). These individuals
must be members of the Weld family of early colonial Massachusetts.
(The Elizabeth Welds must have good longevity genes).
Senator Kerry's opponent in the 1996 Massachusetts Senatorial election
was William Weld, then Governor of Massachusetts, a descendant of that
family. Kerry was a well-respected Democratic Senator. Weld was a well-
respected Republican Governor. The election was quite exciting as both
candidates had well-established power bases and the race was quite
close, with Kerry as the victor, retaining his Senatorial seat.
Senator Kerry and Governor Weld evidently shared some colonial
ancestry.