Plantagenet Ancestry question
N3XBU
might be my latest (most modern) ancestor who might be listed there, if any?
My line goes like this:
Edward I and Princess Margaret of France/Princess Joan of Acre and Gilbert
DeClare/Margaret DeClare and Lord Hugh Audley/Margaret Audley and Lord Ralph
Destafford/Joan DeStafford and Lord John Cherleton/Lord Edward Cherleton and
Maude DeChaworth/Joyce Cherleton and Baron John Tibetot/Joan DeTibetot and Sir
Edward DeInglethorpe/Isabelle DeInglethorpe and Sir John DeNeville Marquis
Montagu/Lucy DeNeville and Sir Anthony Browne/Sir Anthony Browne and Alice
Gage/Anthony Browne and Jane Radcliff/Anthony Browne and Mary Dormer/Dorothy
Browne and Edward Lee/Dorothy Lee and Sir John Temple, Bart of Stowe or
Stantonbury/Dorothy Temple and John Alston/John Alston of Parvenham and Ann
Wallis/
Family Emigrated to North Carolina 1694:
Colonel John Alston and Mary Clark/Elizabeth Alston and Samuel Williams/Samuel
Williams Jr. and Mary Dudley/William Williams and Catherine Tyre/John Williams
and Susannah Martin/Joseph John Williams and Sarah Sullivant/Isaac Marshall
Williams and Ellen Jane Bennett/Sallie Ann Williams and Robert DeBelle
Ashford/Ellen DeBelle Ashford and James Ogatha Yost/James Robert Yost and Doris
Palmer/Diana Lee Yost and Thomas Crow/Brian Lee Crow
Thanks, Brian
William Addams Reitwiesner
>Regarding Faris's book; Plantagenet Ancestry, can anyone please tell me which
>might be my latest (most modern) ancestor who might be listed there, if any?
>
>My line goes like this:
>
>Edward I and Princess Margaret of France/Princess Joan of Acre and Gilbert
>DeClare/Margaret DeClare and Lord Hugh Audley/Margaret Audley and Lord Ralph
>Destafford/Joan DeStafford and Lord John Cherleton/Lord Edward Cherleton and
>Maude DeChaworth/Joyce Cherleton and Baron John Tibetot/Joan DeTibetot and Sir
>Edward DeInglethorpe/Isabelle DeInglethorpe and Sir John DeNeville Marquis
>Montagu/Lucy DeNeville and Sir Anthony Browne/Sir Anthony Browne and Alice
>Gage/Anthony Browne and Jane Radcliff/Anthony Browne and Mary Dormer/Dorothy
>Browne and Edward Lee/Dorothy Lee and Sir John Temple, Bart of Stowe or
>Stantonbury/Dorothy Temple and John Alston
The line down to here (Dorothy Temple and John Alston) can be found in the
second edition of Faris's book, on p. 252.
>/John Alston of Parvenham and Ann
>Wallis/
>
>Family Emigrated to North Carolina 1694:
>
>Colonel John Alston
Faris mentions (on p. 252) that Dorothy and John (above) had a grandson
John Alston, baptised at Pavenham, co. Bedford, on 25 Feb. 1668, who was
"probably" the emigrant to St. John's Parish, Berkeley Co., South Carolina.
Faris also mentions another grandson of Dorothy and John, also named John
Alston, baptised at Felmersham, co. Bedford, on 31 Dec. 1673, who "may have
been" the settler of that name in Chowan Co., North Carolina.
In other words, there was a John Alston who was descended from Edward I,
and there was a John Alston of North Carolina, and they may have been the
same person (but then again they may not).
>and Mary Clark/Elizabeth Alston and Samuel Williams/Samuel
>Williams Jr. and Mary Dudley/William Williams and Catherine Tyre/John Williams
>and Susannah Martin/Joseph John Williams and Sarah Sullivant/Isaac Marshall
>Williams and Ellen Jane Bennett/Sallie Ann Williams and Robert DeBelle
>Ashford/Ellen DeBelle Ashford and James Ogatha Yost/James Robert Yost and Doris
>Palmer/Diana Lee Yost and Thomas Crow/Brian Lee Crow
>
>
>Thanks, Brian
William Addams Reitwiesner
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"Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc."
R J Valentine
] n3...@aol.com (N3XBU) wrote:
]
]>Regarding Faris's book; Plantagenet Ancestry, can anyone please tell me which
]>might be my latest (most modern) ancestor who might be listed there, if any?
]>
]>My line goes like this:
]>
]>Edward I and Princess Margaret of France/Princess Joan of Acre and Gilbert
[<snip>]
]>Stantonbury/Dorothy Temple and John Alston
]
] The line down to here (Dorothy Temple and John Alston) can be found in the
] second edition of Faris's book, on p. 252.
...
I had Joan of Acre born in 1272 (and married in 1290) the daughter of
Edward I and of (E)Leonor (died 1290, daughter of (San) Fernando III),
rather than of Edward's second wife, who I have marrying him in 1299 (she
being younger than Joan). Is that wrong? When was Margaret born?
--
R. J. Valentine <mailto:r...@clark.net?subject=%3Cnews:soc.genealogy.medieval%3E%20>
N3XBU
The Alston line in North Carolina was definitively identified by Adelle Harper
Bartlett before 1973. Her research found ship passages, wills, Bibles and etc.
that positively identified John Alston, baptised at Felmersham, co. Bedford, on
31 Dec. 1673, as the settler who "may have been" the settler of that name in
Chowan Co., North Carolina.
See her book: Title: Adelle Bartlett Harper's family lines; a Loving Tribute to
Our Southern Heritage Author(s): Harper, Adelle Bartlett Published: Atlanta,
1973 Description: xvi, 346 p. illus. 24 cm. Subjects: Harper family. Bartlett
family LC Call No.: CS71.H2891973 Dewey Class No.: 929/.2/0973 Format: Book
LCCN: 73-174096
Brian
Jon Meltzer
"N3XBU" <n3...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks for your help on my question.
>
> The Alston line in North Carolina was definitively identified by Adelle
Harper
> Bartlett before 1973. Her research found ship passages, wills, Bibles and
etc.
> that positively identified John Alston, baptised at Felmersham, co.
Bedford, on
> 31 Dec. 1673, as the settler who "may have been" the settler of that name
in
> Chowan Co., North Carolina.
>
How does one "positively identify" someone who "may have been" ?
N3XBU
name in Chowan Co., North Carolina.
It is apparent then that Faris didn't know if it was or wasn't the same person;
hence he wrote; "may have been."
At this point, we have positively identified the individual in question through
Wills, Baptismal records, collateral family connections, and documents, land
grants, etc. as definitely being the same John Alston that Faris referred to.
Therefore the statement: "may have been" the settler of that name, has been
researched, and the researchers and I are confident that he "definitely was"
the settler of that name.
Brian
William Addams Reitwiesner
>William Addams Reitwiesner <reitw...@stop.mail-abuse.org> wrote:
>
>] n3...@aol.com (N3XBU) wrote:
>]
>]>Regarding Faris's book; Plantagenet Ancestry, can anyone please tell me which
>]>might be my latest (most modern) ancestor who might be listed there, if any?
>]>
>]>My line goes like this:
>]>
>]>Edward I and Princess Margaret of France/Princess Joan of Acre and Gilbert
>
>[<snip>]
>
>]>Stantonbury/Dorothy Temple and John Alston
>]
>] The line down to here (Dorothy Temple and John Alston) can be found in the
>] second edition of Faris's book, on p. 252.
>...
>
>I had Joan of Acre born in 1272 (and married in 1290) the daughter of
>Edward I and of (E)Leonor (died 1290, daughter of (San) Fernando III),
>rather than of Edward's second wife, who I have marrying him in 1299 (she
>being younger than Joan). Is that wrong? When was Margaret born?
I didn't bother with the early parts of the line, as presented by
<n3...@aol.com>, mostly because he was asking for his "latest (most modern)
ancestor" listed there, and not about the validity of the entire line.
There are other errors in that line as well (Edward Cherlton's wife is
wrong, it's usually "Ingaldesthorpe" not "DeInglethorpe", etc.).
William Addams Reitwiesner
If you bring your source to the attention of Mr. Faris, he might be willing
to change his description of that descent in the next edition of his book
Ed Mann
>
> Regarding Faris's book; Plantagenet Ancestry, can anyone please tell me which
> might be my latest (most modern) ancestor who might be listed there, if any?
>
> My line goes like this:
>
> Edward I and Princess Margaret of France/Princess Joan of Acre and Gilbert
> DeClare/Margaret DeClare and Lord Hugh Audley/Margaret Audley and Lord Ralph
> Destafford/Joan DeStafford and Lord John Cherleton/Lord Edward Cherleton and
> Maude DeChaworth/Joyce Cherleton and Baron John Tibetot/Joan DeTibetot and Sir
> Edward DeInglethorpe/Isabelle DeInglethorpe and Sir John DeNeville Marquis
> Montagu/Lucy DeNeville and Sir Anthony Browne/Sir Anthony Browne and Alice
> Gage/Anthony Browne and Jane Radcliff/Anthony Browne and Mary Dormer/Dorothy
> Browne and Edward Lee/Dorothy Lee and Sir John Temple, Bart of Stowe or
> Stantonbury/Dorothy Temple and John Alston/
I can get you this far, but there are multiple lines:
Selected Descendants of Edward I of England
1 Edward I of England aka: "Longshanks" b: 17 Jun 1239 d: 1307 ref #:
BRF:81
+Alianore de Castile b: 1240 d: 28 Nov 1290 ref #: Ä110-30
2 Joan Plantagenet aka: Joan of England; Joan of Acre b: 1272 d: 23
Apr 1307 ref #: F60:12
+Gilbert de Clare aka: 3d Earl of Gloucester; 7th Earl of Hertford
b: 2 Sep 1243 d: 7 Dec 1295 ref #: W28-4
3 Alainor de Clare b: Oct 1292 d: 30 Jun 1337 ref #: F61:11
+Hugh le Despencer aka: 2d Lord Despencer d: 24 Nov 1326 ref #:
W14-6
4 Edward le Despencer d: 30 Sep 1342 ref #: F62:10
+Anne de Ferrers d: 8 Aug 1337 ref #: BxP:198
5 Edward le Despencer aka: 1st Baron Despencer b: 24 Mar 1335/36 d:
11 Nov 1375 ref #: F62:9
+Elizabeth de Burghersh b: 1342 d: Abt. 26 Jul 1409 ref #: W13-9
6 Elizabeth le Despencer d: 11 Apr 1408 ref #: (PA50:10)
+John de Arundel aka: 2d Lord Arundel b: 30 Nov 1364 d: 14 Aug
1390 ref #: PA50:10
7 Thomas de Arundel aka: Knt. d: Abt. 1431 ref #: PA50:9
+Joan Moyne ref #: (PA50:9)
8 Alianor de Arundel ref #: PA50:8
+Thomas Browne aka: Knt. d: 20 Jul 1460 ref #: (PA50:8)
9 [2] Anthony Browne aka: Knt. d: Aft. 24 Sep 1505 ref #: PA51:7
*2nd Wife of [2] Anthony Browne:
+[1] Lucy Neville b: 1468 d: 25 Mar 1534 ref #: (PA51:7)
10 Anthony Browne aka: Knt. / K.G. b: Abt. 1500 d: 6 May 1548 ref #:
PA51:6
+Alice Gage d: Aft. Jul 1540 ref #: (PA51:6)
11 [4] Anthony Browne aka: Knt. / K.B. / K.G. / 1st Viscount
Montacute b: 29 Nov 1528 d: 19 Oct 1592 ref #: PA52:5
+[3] Jane Radcliffe b: Abt. 1532 d: 22 Jul 1552 ref #: F201:5
12 Anthony Browne b: 22 Jul 1552 d: 29 Jun 1592 ref #: PA52:4
+Mary Dormer d: Bef. 24 Nov 1637 ref #: (PA52:4)
13 Dorothy Browne ref #: (PA52:4)
+Edmund Lee ref #: (PA52:4)
14 Dorothy Lee d: 1625 ref #: F202:2
+John Temple b: 1593 d: 23 Sep 1632 ref #: AAP:239
15 Dorothy Temple b: Abt. 1616 d: Dec 1668 ref #: F202:2iii
+John Alston d: 15 Aug 1687
3 Margaret de Clare b: Oct 1292 d: 9 Apr 1342 ref #: F5:13
*2nd Husband of Margaret de Clare:
+Hugh de Audley aka: 2d Baron Audley; 8th Earl of Gloucester b:
Abt. 1289 d: 10 Nov 1347 ref #: W150-6
4 Margaret de Audley aka: Baroness b: Abt. 1325 d: 16 Sep 1348 ref #:
F5:12
+Ralph de Stafford aka: 1st Earl of Stafford b: 24 Sep 1301 d: 31
Aug 1372 ref #: W136-6
5 Joan de Stafford d: Bef. 1397 ref #: F57:12
+John Cherleton aka: 3d Baron Cherleton b: Abt. 1334 d: 13 Jul
1374 ref #: BxP:116
6 [26] Edward Cherleton aka: 5th Baron Cherleton b: Abt. 1371 d: 14
Mar 1420/21 ref #: F57:11
+[25] Alainor [I] de Holand b: Bef. 1387 d: Oct 1405 ref #:
F140:8iii
7 Joyce Cherleton b: Abt. 1403 d: 22 Sep 1446 ref #: F58:10
+John Tiptoft aka: 1st Baron Tiptoft d: 1443 ref #: BxP:533
8 Joan Tiptoft b: Bef. 1425 ref #: F58:9
+Edmund Ingoldisthorpe aka: Knt. d: Abt. 1456 ref #: BxP:396
9 [10] Isabel Ingoldisthorpe b: 1441 d: 25 May 1476 ref #: F58:9i
+[9] John Neville aka: Marquess of Montacute b: Abt. 1431 d: 14
Apr 1471 ref #: F194:7
10 [1] Lucy Neville b: 1468 d: 25 Mar 1534 ref #: (PA51:7)
*2nd Husband of [1] Lucy Neville:
+[2] Anthony Browne aka: Knt. d: Aft. 24 Sep 1505 ref #: PA51:7
5 Elizabeth de Stafford b: Abt. 1337 d: 7 Aug 1375 ref #: F102:11
+Fulk le Strange
6 [6] Alianor le Strange
+[5] Edward Burnell d: 25 Oct 1415 ref #: F234:10
7 Katherine Burnell b: Abt. 1407 ref #: F234:9
+John Radcliffe d: 1441
8 [16] John Radcliffe aka: K.G. b: Abt. 1430 d: 28 Mar 1461 ref #:
F234:8
+[15] Elizabeth FitzWalter b: 28 Jul 1430 d: Bef. 22 Aug 1485 ref
#: F109:9i
9 John Radcliffe aka: 1st Lord FitzWalter b: 1 Jan 1451/52 d: 24 Nov
1496 ref #: F234:7
+Margaret Whetehill
10 [8] Robert Radcliffe aka: K.G. / 2d Lord FitzWalter b: Abt. 1483
d: 27 Nov 1542 ref #: F234:7i
*2nd Wife of [8] Robert Radcliffe:
+[7] Margaret Stanley ref #: F200:6
11 [3] Jane Radcliffe b: Abt. 1532 d: 22 Jul 1552 ref #: F201:5
+[4] Anthony Browne aka: Knt. / K.B. / K.G. / 1st Viscount
Montacute b: 29 Nov 1528 d: 19 Oct 1592 ref #: PA52:5
*3rd Husband of Elizabeth de Stafford:
+Reynold de Cobham aka: 2d Lord Cobham of Sterborough d: 6 Jul
1403 ref #: BxP:126
5 Hugh de Stafford aka: 2d Earl of Stafford b: Bef. 1343 d: 16 Oct
1386 ref #: F6:11
+Philippe de Beauchamp d: Bef. 6 Apr 1386 ref #: W5-7
6 Katherine de Stafford d: 8 Apr 1419 ref #: F233:12
+Michael de la Pole aka: 2d Earl of Suffolk b: Bef. 1368 d: 18 Sep
1415 ref #: BxP:441
7 Philippe de la Pole ref #: F233:11
+Hugh Burnell aka: 2d Baron Burnell of Holgate b: Abt. 1347 d: 27
Nov 1420 ref #: BxP:94
8 [5] Edward Burnell d: 25 Oct 1415 ref #: F234:10
+[6] Alianor le Strange
3 Elizabeth de Clare b: Oct 1292 d: 4 Nov 1360 ref #: PA56:13
+John de Burgh b: Abt. 1290 d: 18 Jun 1313 ref #: Ä94A-32
4 William de Burgh aka: 4th Earl of Ulster b: 17 Sep 1312 d: 6 Jun
1333 ref #: PA56:12
+Maud Plantagenet d: 5 May 1377 ref #: (PA56:12)
5 [20] Elizabeth de Burgh b: 6 Jul 1332 d: 10 Dec 1363 ref #:
(PA56:12)
+[19] Lionel Plantagenet aka: Lionel of Antwerp / Duke of Clarence
b: 29 Nov 1338 d: 17 Oct 1368 ref #: (PA56:12)
6 Philippa Plantagenet b: 16 Aug 1355 d: 5 Jan 1381/82 ref #:
F231:10
+Edmund de Mortimer aka: 3d Earl of March & Ulster b: 1 Feb
1351/52 d: 27 Dec 1381 ref #: W36-9
7 Elizabeth de Mortimer b: 12 Feb 1370/71 d: 20 Apr 1417 ref #:
F148:10
+Henry de Percy aka: "Harry Hotspur" b: 20 May 1364 d: 21 Jul 1403
ref #: F219:9i
8 [24] Henry Percy aka: 2d Earl of Northumberland b: 3 Feb 1392/93 d:
22 May 1455 ref #: F149:9
+[23] Alainor Neville b: Abt. 1407 d: 1472 ref #: (PA14:10)
9 Henry Percy aka: 3d Earl of Northumberland b: 25 Jul 1421 d: 29 Mar
1461 ref #: F149:8
+Alianor Poynings b: Abt. 1422 d: Feb 1483/84 ref #: BxP:211
10 Anne Percy ref #: F149:7ii
+Thomas Hungerford d: 1469 ref #: F32:9
11 [12] Mary Hungerford b: Abt. 1467 d: Bef. 10 Jul 1533 ref #:
F32:9i
+[11] Edward Hastings aka: Lord Hastings of Hungerford b: 26 Nov
1466 d: 8 Nov 1506 ref #: F134:7
12 [14] Anne Hastings d: May 1550 ref #: F200:7
+[13] Thomas Stanley aka: 10th Baron Strange of Knockyn / 2d Earl
of Derby b: Bef. 1485 d: 23 May 1521 ref #: F108:8i
13 [7] Margaret Stanley ref #: F200:6
+[8] Robert Radcliffe aka: K.G. / 2d Lord FitzWalter b: Abt. 1483
d: 27 Nov 1542 ref #: F234:7i
*2nd Husband of Joan Plantagenet:
+Ralph de Monthermer aka: 1st Lord Monthermer b: 1262 d: 5 Apr
1325 ref #: BxP:378
3 Thomas de Monthermer aka: 2d Lord Monthermer b: 4 Oct 1301 d: 24
Jun 1340 ref #: F192:12
+Margaret d: May 1349
4 Margaret de Monthermer aka: Baroness Monthermer b: 14 Oct 1329 d:
24 Mar 1394/95 ref #: F192:11
+John de Montacute aka: Lord Montagu d: 1390 ref #: BxP:372
5 John de Montacute aka: 3d Earl of Salisbury b: 1350 d: 5 Jan
1399/00 ref #: (PA60:6)
+Maud Francis d: 1424
6 [28] Thomas de Montacute aka: 4th Earl of Salisbury b: Abt. 1388 d:
3 Nov 1428 ref #: F193:9
+[27] Alainor [II] de Holand b: 1387 d: Aft. 1413 ref #: F140:8iv
7 [22] Alice Montacute b: Abt. 1408 d: Bef. 9 Dec 1462 ref #: F193:8
+[21] Richard Neville aka: Earl of Salisbury b: Abt. 1400 d: 30
Dec 1460 ref #: (PA14:10)
8 [9] John Neville aka: Marquess of Montacute b: Abt. 1431 d: 14 Apr
1471 ref #: F194:7
+[10] Isabel Ingoldisthorpe b: 1441 d: 25 May 1476 ref #: F58:9i
8 Katherine Neville b: Abt. 1435 d: Bef. 25 Mar 1504 ref #: (PA38:7)
*2nd Husband of Katherine Neville:
+William Hastings aka: 1st Lord Hastings b: Abt. 1431 d: 14 Jun
1483 ref #: (PA38:7)
9 [11] Edward Hastings aka: Lord Hastings of Hungerford b: 26 Nov
1466 d: 8 Nov 1506 ref #: F134:7
+[12] Mary Hungerford b: Abt. 1467 d: Bef. 10 Jul 1533 ref #:
F32:9i
8 [18] Alainor Neville b: Abt. 1438 d: Bef. 1474 ref #: F193:6iv
+[17] Thomas Stanley aka: 2d Lord Stanley / 1st Earl of Derby b:
Abt. 1435 d: 29 Jul 1504 ref #: F107:9
9 George Stanley aka: K.B. / K.G. / Lord Strange b: Abt. 1460 d: Dec
1503 ref #: F108:8
+Joan le Strange aka: Baroness Strange of Knockyn b: Abt. 1463 d:
20 Mar 1513/14 ref #: BxP:516
10 [13] Thomas Stanley aka: 10th Baron Strange of Knockyn / 2d Earl
of Derby b: Bef. 1485 d: 23 May 1521 ref #: F108:8i
+[14] Anne Hastings d: May 1550 ref #: F200:7
2 Elizabeth Plantagenet b: 7 Aug 1282 d: 5 May 1316 ref #: PA33:12
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth Plantagenet:
+Humphrey de Bohun VIII aka: 4th Earl of Hereford & Essex b: Abt.
1276 d: 16 Mar 1321/22 ref #: W18-5
3 Alianor de Bohun b: 17 Oct 1304 d: 7 Oct 1363 ref #: PA59:10
*2nd Husband of Alianor de Bohun:
+Thomas de Dagworth aka: 1st Baron Dagworth d: Bef. Sep 1350 ref
#: BxP:153
4 Alianor de Dagworth d: Aft. 1374 ref #: (PA59:10)
+Walter FitzWalter aka: 4th Baron FitzWalter b: 31 May 1345 d: 26
Sep 1386 ref #: BxP:213
5 Walter FitzWalter aka: 5th Baron FitzWalter b: 5 Sep 1368 d: 16 May
1406 ref #: F109:10
+Joan Devereux b: Abt. 1380 d: May 1409 ref #: BxP:213
6 Walter FitzWalter aka: 7th Baron FitzWalter b: Abt. 1401 d: 25 Nov
1431 ref #: F109:9
+Elizabeth Chidiock d: 14 Jun 1464
7 [15] Elizabeth FitzWalter b: 28 Jul 1430 d: Bef. 22 Aug 1485 ref
#: F109:9i
+[16] John Radcliffe aka: K.G. b: Abt. 1430 d: 28 Mar 1461 ref #:
F234:8
3 William de Bohun aka: Knt. / K.G. / 1st Earl of Northampton b: Abt.
1312 d: 16 Sep 1360 ref #: PA34:11
+Elizabeth de Badlesmere b: 1313 d: 8 Jun 1356 ref #: W36-7
4 Elizabeth de Bohun d: 3 Apr 1385 ref #: (PA34:11)
+Richard FitzAlan aka: K.G. / 10th Earl of Arundel b: 1346 d: 21
Sep 1397 ref #: F106:12
5 Elizabeth FitzAlan b: 1375 d: 8 Jul 1425 ref #: F106:11
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
*3rd Husband of Elizabeth FitzAlan:
+Robert Goushill d: 21 Jul 1403 ref #: (Ä57-36)
6 Joan Goushill aka: Jean Goushill b: Abt. 1401 d: Aft. 1459 ref #:
F107:10
+Thomas Stanley aka: 1st Baron Stanley of Lathom b: Abt. 1405 d:
20 Feb 1458/59 ref #: W103-10
7 [17] Thomas Stanley aka: 2d Lord Stanley / 1st Earl of Derby b:
Abt. 1435 d: 29 Jul 1504 ref #: F107:9
+[18] Alainor Neville b: Abt. 1438 d: Bef. 1474 ref #: F193:6iv
2 Edward II of England b: 25 Apr 1284 d: 21 Sep 1327 ref #: F228:13
+Isabelle de France aka: "Isabelle the Fair" b: 1292 d: 22 Aug
1358 ref #: Ä101-31
3 Edward III of England b: 13 Nov 1312 d: 21 Jun 1377 ref #: F229:12
+Philippa de Hainault b: Abt. 1314 d: 15 Aug 1369 ref #: Ä103-34
4 [19] Lionel Plantagenet aka: Lionel of Antwerp / Duke of Clarence
b: 29 Nov 1338 d: 17 Oct 1368 ref #: (PA56:12)
+[20] Elizabeth de Burgh b: 6 Jul 1332 d: 10 Dec 1363 ref #:
(PA56:12)
4 John of Gaunt aka: John Plantagenet b: Mar 1339/40 d: 3 Feb 1398/99
ref #: PA14:11
*3rd Wife of John of Gaunt:
+Katherine de Röet aka: Katherine Swynford b: 1350 d: 10 May 1403
ref #: (PA14:11)
5 Joan Beaufort b: Abt. 1379 d: 13 Nov 1440 ref #: PA14:10
*2nd Husband of Joan Beaufort:
+Ralph de Neville aka: 1st Earl of Westmorland b: Abt. 1364 d: 21
Oct 1425 ref #: W45-7
6 [21] Richard Neville aka: Earl of Salisbury b: Abt. 1400 d: 30 Dec
1460 ref #: (PA14:10)
+[22] Alice Montacute b: Abt. 1408 d: Bef. 9 Dec 1462 ref #:
F193:8
6 [23] Alainor Neville b: Abt. 1407 d: 1472 ref #: (PA14:10)
*2nd Husband of [23] Alainor Neville:
+[24] Henry Percy aka: 2d Earl of Northumberland b: 3 Feb 1392/93
d: 22 May 1455 ref #: F149:9
*2nd Wife of Edward I of England:
+Marguerite de France b: 1279 d: 1317 ref #: Ä155-30
2 Edmund Plantagenet aka: Edmund of Kent b: 5 Aug 1301 d: 19 Mar
1329/30 ref #: F226:14xvii
*2nd Wife of Edmund Plantagenet:
+Margaret Wake aka: Lady Wake b: Abt. 1299 d: 29 Sep 1349 ref #:
W114-5
3 Joan Plantagenet aka: "Fair Maid of Kent" b: 29 Sep 1328 d: 7 Aug
1385 ref #: F139:9
+Thomas de Holand aka: 1st Earl of Kent d: 26 Dec 1360 ref #:
W90-7
4 Thomas de Holand aka: 2d Earl of Kent b: Abt. 1350 d: 25 Apr 1397
ref #: F140:8
+Alice FitzAlan d: 17 Mar 1415/16 ref #: F105:13iv
5 [25] Alainor [I] de Holand b: Bef. 1387 d: Oct 1405 ref #:
F140:8iii
*2nd Husband of [25] Alainor [I] de Holand:
+[26] Edward Cherleton aka: 5th Baron Cherleton b: Abt. 1371 d: 14
Mar 1420/21 ref #: F57:11
5 [27] Alainor [II] de Holand b: 1387 d: Aft. 1413 ref #: F140:8iv
+[28] Thomas de Montacute aka: 4th Earl of Salisbury b: Abt. 1388
d: 3 Nov 1428 ref #: F193:9
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:INET...@atlantic.net
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
NK2 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_Two_, [page].
Π= Hardy, Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America, [pg].
PA = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, 2d ed. [page:para].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat lector.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat lector.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page] Caveat lector.
Atsarisborn
"R J Valentine" <r...@clark.net> wrote in message
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> I had Joan of Acre born in 1272 (and married in 1290) the daughter of
> Edward I and of (E)Leonor (died 1290, daughter of (San) Fernando III),
> rather than of Edward's second wife, who I have marrying him in 1299 (she
> being younger than Joan). Is that wrong? When was Margaret born?
This is certainly correct.
Joan was born in Acre (hence her name) where Edward and Eleanor were on
Crusade. They were on the way home later that year, visiting Eleanor's
half-brother, Alfonso X el Sabio, when news arrived of the death of Edward's
father, Henry III.
Margaret herself was about the same age as Joan.
Jean Coeur de Lapin
D. Spencer Hines
Joan of Acre, born in 1272, was seven years older than Marguerite de
France.
--
D. Spencer Hines
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