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Bill McCulloch

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Jun 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/4/99
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I am looking for information on Charles Cosby, the fourth son of Sir
Alexander Cosby and Dorcus Sidney, the daughter of Sir William Sidney and
cousin of Sir Philip Sidney. Charles left Ireland in 1628 and came to York
County, Virginia. His mother arranged a grant of land there through her
connections with the Zouches, I have been told.


jf...@geocities.com

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Jun 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/4/99
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I'm looking for similar information about a duaghter....ANNE COSBY
married Griffeth Dickerson? Anybody got anything?
Charleen Scott


Bill McCulloch

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Jun 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/4/99
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Your Ann Cosby was the daughter of John Cosby II and Martha Garland,
daughter of Edward Garland of the Sussex, England Garlands. She was born in
1720. John Cosby's father, John Cosby I was the son of Charles Cosby and he
was born in Ireland in 1623 and was named for uncles who died young. His
mother was Mary Loftus, the daughter of Adam Loftus, the Archbishop of
Armagh, Lord Chancellor of Ireland and once chaplain to Queen Elizabeth I.
John Cosby I married twice and the mother of his children was Sarah_____,
She is the person in whom I have the most interest. I would like to obtain
more information on her. All of the afore mentioned my be found documented
in Henry Duke, Councilor. The author, Walter Garland Duke, gives his
sources. I have verified them and found other supporting documents as well.

Leo van de Pas

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Jun 4, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/4/99
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At 08:11 PM 6/4/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Your Ann Cosby was the daughter of John Cosby II and Martha Garland,
>daughter of Edward Garland of the Sussex, England Garlands. She was born in
>1720. John Cosby's father, John Cosby I was the son of Charles Cosby and he
>was born in Ireland in 1623 and was named for uncles who died young. His
>mother was Mary Loftus, the daughter of Adam Loftus, the Archbishop of
>Armagh, Lord Chancellor of Ireland

Dear Bill,
I have him as Archbishop of Dublin, or is
that the same? This Adam is (genealogically)
quite interesting. His father is Edward Loftus, of Swineshead, county York.
Adam was born
in 1533 and died 1 April 1605. He married
Jane Purdon, of Lurgan Race. They had twenty
children of which seven died young. You have
added Mary to my list of known names of
children. I had Alice, Anne, Isabella, Martha
Dudley and Thomas. Now a line of descend
which, I hope, is of interest.

Adam Loftus
1533-1605
\
Isabella Loftus
\
Arthur Ussher
\
Mary Ussher
\
Richard Colley Wesley
1st Baron Mornington
1690-1758
\
Garret Wesley
1st Earl of Mornington
1735-1781
\
--------------------------------
Richard Wellesley Arthur Wellesley
Marquess Wellesley Duke of Wellington
1760-1842
\
Anne Wellesley
1788-1875
\
Rev.Charles Cavendish-Bentinck
1817-1865
\
Nina Cecilia Cavendish-Bentinck
1862-1938
\
Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon
The Queen Mother
1900-
\
Elizabeth II
Queen of Great Britain
1926-

If Charleen Scott is descended from Anne Cosby
and Griffeth Dickerson, this would make her
a cousin of QEII. Will you let us know?
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas

Reedpcgen

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Jun 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/5/99
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The Cosby family, of Stradbally, co. Queens, Ireland, ancestors of Lord Sidney
of Leix, trace descent from Francis Cosby (b. 1510, d. 8 Sep. 1580),
purportedly by Lady Mary Seymour, daughter of the Lord Protector by Anne
Stanhope. This is shown in many pedigrees, including: one notarized by William
Hawkins, Ulster King of Arms on 28 Nov. 1767 (Ire. MS. 161, ff. 54-6, 61 [FHL
#100,122]), in a detailed account of the family citing fiants, inquisitions and
other primary sources (The Gentleman's Magazine [London, 1834], i:179-82), and
in a later account of the family drawn up by Lord Fitzwaryn ("Autobiography of
Pole Cosby, of Stradbally, Queen's County," Journal of the County Kildare
Archaeological Society, v. 5, no. 5 [Dublin, Jan. 1908], chart facing p. 317).

Francis was reat-great- great- grandfather of William Cosby (b. ca. 1690, d.
10 Mar. 1735/6), Gov. of New York and New Jersey. Francis's grandson, Charles
Cosby (b. 11 Sep. 1585), is supposed to be father of John Cosby (1623-1696), of
York and Warwick Cos., Virginia, but none of the Cosby pedigrees show Charles's
issue and proof is lacking (Charles's wife, Mary Loftus, d. 23 Nov. 1623, so
John's birth about 1623 presents obvious questions which must be answered, in
case he were actually born a year or two later).
The Cosby marriage to Mary Seymour is false. Francis Cosby was in co. Kildare
by 1548 and received a grant of Stradbally Abbey in 1563. There is proof that
he was married to Elizabeth Palmes by 23 Nov. 1563. Their eldest surviving son
and heir, Alexander, received a grant in 1570, and died 19 May 1596 in battle
at Stradbally Bridge, aged forty-nine (b. ca .1547). Francis Cosby died 8 Sep.
1580 at the Battle of Glenmure and was survived by his wife, Elizabeth. (Ire.
MS. 216, f. 61 [FHL #100,134], and the references cited above in this note).
Anthony R. Wagner, as Portcullis, said he thought Elizabeth Palmes was
Francis's only wife, and the marriage to Lady Mary Seymour "extremely
improbable" as the records in the College of Arms only show that Mary wedded
twice, to (1) Andrew Rogers, and (2) Sir Henry Peyton (original letter in misc.
Cosby papers [FHL #29,883]). Records prove the connection impossible. Edward
Seymour married Anne Stanhope between 1530 and 9 Mar. 1534/5 (CP 12:i:64).
Lady Mary Seymour had married Andrew Rogers, of Bryanston, co. Dorset, by 1587,
and after his death in 1599, s.p., was suing for her jointure in 1600 (P. W.
Hasler, The House of Commons, 1558-1603 3[London, 1981]:298-99 [hereafter cited
as Hasler]). Lady Mary married (2) Sir Henry Peyton, of London, "who followed
long the wars in the low countries," son of Thomas Peyton, M. P., of Bury St.
Edmunds, co. Suffolk, by Cecily Bourchier, da. of John, 2nd Earl of Bath (Lady
Mary was granddaughter of Elizabeth Bourchier, John's aunt). Sir Henry was a
gentleman of the Privy Chamber to Prince Henry in 1610 (Joseph Jackson Howard,
The visitation of Suffolke, ...1561... 2[London, 1866]:121). Sir Henry made
his will 11 Apr. 1618. "Yet for the singular love which I beare unto the Ladie
Marie my wife", she was not to be burdened with his debts, and was to receive
any surplus of his estate. His brother Thomas was to be executor, and Pyton
Cooke was a witness (Henry's cousin Elizabeth m. Richard Cooke), but Sir John
Peyton, Sr., one of the creditors, was granted adm. 20 Feb. 1623/4 (Sir Henry
died beyond the seas) (PCC 18 Byrde [FHL #92,095]).

If anyone has specific evidence that John of Virginia was Charles's son, please
do let us know.

pcr

Renia Simmonds

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Jun 7, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/7/99
to Leo van de Pas
Adam Loftus was consecrated Abp of Armagh in 1563, and translated to the see of
Dublin in 1567. That is, he was promoted to Archbishop of Dublin.

Regarding Charles Cosby, Burke’s Landed Gentry 1898 (vol II, Cosby) gives only
that Charles was third of four sons of Alexander Cosbie, and that he "m a dau of
the Loftus family who d 23 Nov 1723"

While I have made no particular study of Loftus, I notice that Burke’s Peerage
(Ely) gives him as son of Edward Loftus of Swineshead co York, and brother to
Robert Loftus. Burke’s also has him married to Jane, dau of Adam Purdon of Lurgan
Race co Louth, and by her had twenty children, of whom seven died young, the
survivors being five sons and eight daughters, of the sons, only two leaving
issue.

However, a contemporary document at Trinity College, Dublin, (TCD MS 1213/63) has
the genealogy quite differently, as follows (gaps means illegible, by me):


DUDLEY LOFTUS had issue:
EDWARD LOFTUS of ... co Wicklow ob an aet 87 married Ann dau Georgij Hartpole de
Shrula and had issue:
a. GEORGUM STOWELL married Jana
b. SAMUEL s.p.
c. ADAM mar Penelopa dau Street and had issue:
1. Hon. LOFTUS de...
a. ANNE married ... King of Armagh
b. ...RIS
c. PHEBE married ... Boudell de Maryland
d. ... s.p.
e. ELIZ?
f. MARIA married Mich Ford
d. MICH (Wylnd?) married Ellen
e. DUDLIY married
f. ROB wm s.p.
g. RUTH s.p.
h. MABELLA s.p.
i. JNO
j. ANNA married Granville, s.p. monasterye


Renia

Antony IvanSmith

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Jun 13, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/13/99
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A re -statement of my Cosby notes and DUKE a primary source with help from
Stradbally..

Charles Cosby 4th son of Alexander Cosby and Dorcas Sydney
Born September 12 1585 Stradbally
Married Mary daughter of Adam Loftus D.D Trinity College Cambridge, second
son of Edward Loftus, Swineshead Yorkshire who obtained grants of land from
Elizabeth and James.
Adam Loftus was Chaplain to Elizabeth made Archbishop of Arnagh 1663, Lord
Chancellor of Ireland in 1578, Provost of University of Dublin. married Jane
Pruden in 1605.
Ann Loftus married Sir henry Colley
Thomas Loftus married Ellen (Harpole) Cosby widow of Francis
Daughter Mary died November 23, 1623 leaving a child John Cosby. Charles
Cosby settled in York County Va... in 1629 with infant son

I do note the difference in the name Pruden or Purden? Any answers

In search of the elusive Alexander Cosby that has defied researcher for over
135 years his fathers name!!!!!!! Whose son General Sir Henry Montague
Augustus Cosby (DNB) claimed in his will his ancestral home as Stradbally

Antony Ivan Smith
San Luis Obispo CA


Renia Simmonds wrote in message <375B2448...@cwcom.net>...

Renia Simmonds

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Jun 14, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/14/99
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According to the posting I sent a few days ago, citing the primary source, Mary
the daughter of Adam Loftus, married Michael Ford.

Renia

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