Nicola de la Hay
Sarah Doyle
Does anyone out there have any information on Nicola de la Hay, the lady who
was involved in the defence of Lincoln Castle during the Fair of Lincoln in
c.1216? I'm interested in where she came from, how old she was during the
"Fair" and things like that.
Cheers,
Sarah Doyle
ED MANN
I have:
Descendants of Richard de la Haye
1 Richard de la Haye ref #: BxP:100
2 Nichola de la Haye d: 1230 ref #: BxP:100
+Gerard de Camville d: Abt. 1212
3 Richard de Camville d: 1226 ref #: BxP:100
+Eustacia Bassett ref #: BxP:100
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
ED MANN
>
> Ed
> What can you tell us about the ancestry of Richard Delahaye
That was all I had.
> and also concerning Gerard de Camville????
Descendants of Gerard de Camville
1 Gerard de Camville b: Abt. 1090 d: Abt. 1140 ref #: BxP:100
+
2 Richard de Camville b: Abt. 1110 d: Abt. 1170 ref #: BxP:100
+Milicent de Rethel b: Abt. 1118 ref #: Ä246A-25
3 Gerard de Camville b: Abt. 1150 d: Abt. 1212
+Nichola de la Haye b: Abt. 1150 d: 1230 ref #: BxP:100
3 Richard de Camville ref #: BxP:100
+Milicent ref #: BxP:261
3 William de Camville d: 1260 ref #: BxP:100
+Albreda de Marmion ref #: BxP:100
3 Matilda de Camville ref #: BxP:100
+William de Ros ref #: BxP:100
2 Walter de Camville ref #: BxP:100
3 Maud de Camville aka: Matilda de Camville ref #: BxP:100
+Thomas de Astley ref #: BxP:100
ray montgomery
What can you tell us about the ancestry of Richard Delahaye and also
concerning Gerard de Camville????
Sincerely
Ray
>Sarah Doyle wrote:
>>
>> Hi there!
>>
>> Does anyone out there have any information on Nicola de la Hay, the
>lady who
>> was involved in the defence of Lincoln Castle during the Fair of
>Lincoln in
>> c.1216? I'm interested in where she came from, how old she was
>during the
>> "Fair" and things like that.
>
>I have:
>
>Descendants of Richard de la Haye
>
> 2 Nichola de la Haye d: 1230 ref #:
>BxP:100
> +Gerard de Camville d: Abt. 1212
> 3 Richard de Camville d: 1226 ref #:
>BxP:100
>
>--
>FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
>
>Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
>
>References:
> Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
> AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
> the Princess of Wales_, [page].
> AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
> [Pres. # : page].
> BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
> BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
> BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
> BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
> EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
> EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
> [page].
> EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
> [page].
> F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
> S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
> W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
> WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
> WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
>
>
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Todd A. Farmerie
>
> ray montgomery wrote:
> >
> > Ed
> > What can you tell us about the ancestry of Richard Delahaye
>
>
>
>
> 1 Gerard de Camville b: Abt. 1090 d: Abt. 1140 ref #: BxP:100
> +
> 2 Richard de Camville b: Abt. 1110 d: Abt. 1170 ref #: BxP:100
> +Milicent de Rethel b: Abt. 1118 ref #: Ä246A-25
> 3 Gerard de Camville b: Abt. 1150 d: Abt. 1212
> +Nichola de la Haye b: Abt. 1150 d: 1230 ref #: BxP:100
> 3 Richard de Camville ref #: BxP:100
> +Milicent ref #: BxP:261
> 3 William de Camville d: 1260 ref #: BxP:100
> +Albreda de Marmion ref #: BxP:100
> 3 Matilda de Camville ref #: BxP:100
> +William de Ros ref #: BxP:100
> 2 Walter de Camville ref #: BxP:100
> 3 Maud de Camville aka: Matilda de Camville ref #: BxP:100
> +Thomas de Astley ref #: BxP:100
>
You have the same wife listed for 2 Richard, and for 3 Richard. Doesn't
it concern you that 3 William died in 1260, while his brother 3 Gerard
was born about 1150?
taf
ED MANN
>
> ED MANN wrote:
> >
> > Descendants of Gerard de Camville
> >
> > 1 Gerard de Camville b: Abt. 1090 d: Abt. 1140 ref #: BxP:100
> > +
> > 2 Richard de Camville b: Abt. 1110 d: Abt. 1170 ref #: BxP:100
> > +Milicent de Rethel b: Abt. 1118 ref #: Ä246A-25
> > 3 Gerard de Camville b: Abt. 1150 d: Abt. 1212
> > +Nichola de la Haye b: Abt. 1150 d: 1230 ref #: BxP:100
> > 3 Richard de Camville ref #: BxP:100
> > +Milicent ref #: BxP:261
> > 3 William de Camville d: 1260 ref #: BxP:100
> > +Albreda de Marmion ref #: BxP:100
> > 3 Matilda de Camville ref #: BxP:100
> > +William de Ros ref #: BxP:100
> > 2 Walter de Camville ref #: BxP:100
> > 3 Maud de Camville aka: Matilda de Camville ref #: BxP:100
> > +Thomas de Astley ref #: BxP:100
> >
>
> You have the same wife listed for 2 Richard, and for 3 Richard. Doesn't
> it concern you that 3 William died in 1260, while his brother 3 Gerard
> was born about 1150?
Hmm. Something is clearly awry. Burke's, my source for most of these
references, lists no dates. Rechecking Burkes, I see that Walter should
be a 3, not 2. Back to the drawing board on this one, I see.
Benjamin Hertzel
Ed,
> > 1 Gerard de Camville b: Abt. 1090 d: Abt. 1140 ref #: BxP:100
> > +
> > 2 Richard de Camville b: Abt. 1110 d: Abt. 1170 ref #: BxP:100
> > + Milicent de Rethel b: Abt. 1118 ref #: Ä246A-25
Is this Milicent de Rethel related to Melisind de Rethel (died ca. 1161),
daughter of Baldwin II, who married Fulk V, King of Jerusalem?
(as a Norwegian Minnesotan) I thank you.
Benjamin
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> Ed,
>
> > > 1 Gerard de Camville b: Abt. 1090 d: Abt. 1140 ref #: BxP:100
> > > +
> > > 2 Richard de Camville b: Abt. 1110 d: Abt. 1170 ref #: BxP:100
> > > + Milicent de Rethel b: Abt. 1118 ref #: Ä246A-25
>
> Is this Milicent de Rethel related to Melisind de Rethel (died ca. 1161),
> daughter of Baldwin II, who married Fulk V, King of Jerusalem?
They were first cousins.
taf
ED MANN
Yes - 1st cousins:
Descendants of Hugh I de Rethel
1 Count Hugh I de Rethel b: Bef. 1081 d: Abt. 1118 ref #: Ä103A-24
+Melisende de Montlhery ref #: (Ä103A-24)
2 King Baldwin II of Jerusalem b: Abt. 1058 d: 21 Aug 1131 ref #:
Ä103A-25
+Malfia aka: Moraphia d: Abt. 1127 ref #: (Ä103A-25)
3 Melisende de Rethel d: 11 Sep 1161 ref #: (Ä118-24)
+King of Jerusalem Foulques V de Anjou aka: "Le Jeune" b: 1092 d: 10
Nov 1143 ref #: Ä118-24
2 Gervase de Rethel b: Abt. 1088 d: 1124 ref #: (Ä246A-24)
+Elizabeth de Namur aka: Isabell de Namur ref #: Ä246A-24
3 Milicent de Rethel b: Abt. 1118 ref #: Ä246A-25
+Richard de Camville ref #: BxP:100
*2nd Husband of Milicent de Rethel:
+Robert Marmion b: Abt. 1092 d: Abt. 1144 ref #: (Ä246A-25)
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
ED MANN
>
> Ed,
>
> Sorry, one answer always seems to lead to another question:
>
> > 2 Gervase de Rethel b: Abt. 1088 d: 1124 ref #: (Ä246A-24)
> > +Elizabeth de Namur aka: Isabell de Namur ref #:Ä246A-24
>
> 1139) - is there a connection with your Elizabeth listed above?
Half-sister:
Descendants of Godfrey de Namur
1 Count Godfrey de Namur aka: Godfrey de Dagsburg b: Abt. 1067 d: 19
Aug 1139 ref #: Ä246A-23
+Sybille de Château-Porcien ref #: (Ä246A-23)
2 Elizabeth de Namur aka: Isabell de Namur ref #: Ä246A-24
+Gervase de Rethel b: Abt. 1088 d: 1124 ref #: (Ä246A-24)
*2nd Husband of Elizabeth de Namur:
+Clarembald de Rosoy d: Aft. 1141 ref #: (Ä246A-24)
*2nd Wife of Godfrey de Namur:
+Ermesende de Luxemburg b: Abt. 1075 d: 1141 ref #: (Ä163-26)
2 Alix de Namur aka: Alice de Namur d: 1169 ref #: ESvii:68
+Count Baudouin IV de Hainault b: Abt. 1110 d: 8 Nov 1171 ref #:
Ä163-26
Cristopher Nash
>Descendants of Hugh I de Rethel
>
> 1 Count Hugh I de Rethel b: Bef. 1081 d: Abt.
>1118 ref #: Ÿ103A-24
> +Melisende de Montlhery ref #:
>(Ÿ103A-24)
> 2 King Baldwin II of Jerusalem b: Abt. 1058 d:
>21 Aug 1131 ref #:
>Ÿ103A-25
> +Malfia aka: Moraphia d: Abt. 1127 ref #:
>(Ÿ103A-25)
> 3 Melisende de Rethel d: 11 Sep 1161 ref
>#: (Ÿ118-24)
> +King of Jerusalem Foulques V de Anjou aka: "Le Jeune" b:
>1092 d: 10
>Nov 1143 ref #: Ÿ118-24
>
> 2 Gervase de Rethel b: Abt. 1088 d: 1124 ref
>#: (Ÿ246A-24)
> +Elizabeth de Namur aka: Isabell de Namur
> ref #: Ÿ246A-24
> 3 Milicent de Rethel b: Abt. 1118 ref
>#: Ÿ246A-25
> +Richard de Camville ref #: BxP:100
> *2nd Husband of Milicent de Rethel:
>
> +Robert Marmion b: Abt. 1092 d: Abt. 1144 ref
>#: (Ÿ246A-25)
Ed, following your exchanges on this thread I see you're hard at work on
this one. Might it help confuse things if I mention that according to
various accounts including VCH-Oxfordshire, XII (1990), 274, Richard de
Camville (d. ca. 1176) is the 2d husb of Millicent, widow of Robert Marmion
(who, as you say, d. ca. 1144)? I thought so.
Cheers,
Cris
ED MANN
>
> Dear Ed,
> Is this Robert Marmion of Tamworth Castle? Thanks, LSR
> > +Richard de Camville ref #: BxP:100
> > *2nd Husband of Milicent de Rethel:
No idea.
ED MANN
>
> Ed, following your exchanges on this thread I see you're hard at work on
> this one. Might it help confuse things if I mention that according to
> various accounts including VCH-Oxfordshire, XII (1990), 274, Richard de
> Camville (d. ca. 1176) is the 2d husb of Millicent, widow of Robert Marmion
> (who, as you say, d. ca. 1144)? I thought so.
Marriage dates?
My source (Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.) reflects the order you
show but no dates. My software arbitrarily assigns an order unless I
have at least the date of the 2d marriage.
Cristopher Nash
>Cristopher Nash wrote:
>>
>> Ed, following your exchanges on this thread I see you're hard at work on
>> this one. Might it help confuse things if I mention that according to
>> various accounts including VCH-Oxfordshire, XII (1990), 274, Richard de
>> Camville (d. ca. 1176) is the 2d husb of Millicent, widow of Robert Marmion
>> (who, as you say, d. ca. 1144)? I thought so.
>
>Marriage dates?
>
>show but no dates. My software arbitrarily assigns an order unless I
>have at least the date of the 2d marriage.
Understand and sympathize!
Cris
Cristopher Nash
>>
>> Dear Ed,
>> Is this Robert Marmion of Tamworth Castle? Thanks, LSR
>> > +Richard de Camville ref #:
>>BxP:100
>> > *2nd Husband of Milicent de Rethel:
>> > +Robert Marmion b: Abt. 1092 d: Abt. 1144
>
>No idea.
It is.
Cris
Don & Melissa Alexander
Oxenbridge Pedigree Medievel Chart, showing descendent lines to Ursala mar.
Sir John Monson and to The Preacher, John Oxenbridge of 1st Church, Boston"
citing Sources: Penfolds Pedigrees of Sussex, Sussex Arch. Coll. VIII,
Harlequin Papers, and Sussex Chronicles-P.B.O. 1998. Also shows that Susan
Oxenbridge, of this line, married Sir. Thos. Cecil as her second husband.
This pedigree does not list any of Susan's children.
It is very long and covers seven generations, starting with John de
Oxenbridge of Atte Gale, Beckley, "Jurer 1329 and 1341." (What does the
term Jurer mean?)
Will send a copy via a generic word file as transcribed to my database to
all who request, because it is really too long for general posting.
Melissa Thompson Alexander
www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/l/e/Melissa-T-Alexander/
listowner: CEC...@rootsweb.com; KRUTSI...@rootsweb.com
Edmonds, WA USA