giselbert,dux,+939><godila
wim
On the internet (Mittelalter-Genealogie), I read that Giselbert,dux of
Lotharingia,+939 had a first marriage until 928 with a certain Godila
or Godilda (before he married Gerberga, the sister of German-roman
emperor Otto I).
Is anything more known about this first marriage or possible off-spring
?
I try to relate to Godila of Rothenburg, who has as father Werner,+973,
probably the brother of Renaud,+973, on whom Steven Baldwin and Peter
Stewart were so kind to comment 3-4 months agao on this site.
Could a relationship exist with the monastry of Remiremont in Southern
Lotharingia, where Giselbert is known from the death memorial book.
With kind regards, wim van der kooij
Peter Stewart
"wim" <adsl5...@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:1123003442.5...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
There is no definite evidence that Giselbert had another wife before he
married Gerberga in 928 or 929. Most historians, including those cited and
quoted on the website you checked, do not accept that Giselbert married
twice.
The only basis for naming a previous wife is an undated charter for
Echternach abbey given by "Godilda ob amorem Dei et remedium anime domni mei
G.i ducis et anime mee" (Godilda for the love of God and for the good of the
soul of my lord Duke G[iselbert] and of my own soul).
Camille Wampach in his edition of Echternach documents placed this between
915 and 928, but there is no particular reason for the latter date except
his interpretation that by "domnus meus" Godlilda may have meant "my
husband". However, Giselbert was named as "dominus" in addition to his
relevant titles in at least one other charter, for Stavelot-Malmédy dated
927, where the question of a spouse does not arise and he subscribed with
the same formula ("Domno suo et in Christo venerabili viro illustri
Giselberto comiti et abbati...S. domnus Giselbertus comes et abba").
Peter Stewart
Sally Laine
she married Lothair III of Walbeck c980 so dates don't work for her marrying
Giselbert.
Peter Stewart
""Sally Laine"" <sla...@tbaytel.net> wrote in message
news:003501c5992c$af00c080$c208d3d8@c0d9c5...
> Godila of Rothenburg died c1015 daughter of CountWerner
> she married Lothair III of Walbeck c980 so dates don't work for her
> marrying
> Giselbert.
Wim and the Genealogie-Mittelalter website did not suggest that the earlier
Godilda could have been the same person as Godila of Rothenburg, who died
about a century after her namesake was making a gift to Echternach - Wim
said only that he was trying to relate one to the other.
As to his question about a connection to Remiremont, I should have added
that no woman of this name is mentioned in the memorial book in connection
with Duke Giselbert, or given with a title that might have belonged to a
wife of his who had died in 928.
Giselbert's family is recorded there, as follows:
"Dumnus Gisilbertus dux, qui pro re[me]dium anime sue et seniori sui dumni
Henrici et uxori sue et infantibus suis...Dumnus Gisilbertus dux...Dumna
Girberga. Ainricus. Haduidis."
The children mentioned were apparently the two eldest, Henry being evidently
named after Gerberga's father Emperor Henry I (the Fowler). If Giselbert had
a deceased wife before marrying Gerberga, her name would normally occur in
such a context, as would any children from a prior union.
Note also the form of title, reflecting that given in Godilda's charter and
here used at another religious house, "Dumnus Gidilbertus dux".
Peter Stewart