the Montfichet family of Cargill & c.

547 views
Skip to first unread message

John P. Ravilious

unread,
Apr 25, 2009, 1:12:25 PM4/25/09
to
Saturday, 25 April, 2009

Dear Pat, Tim, Todd, Chris, et al.,

Some time ago there was discussion on the subject of the Clare
chevrons and the Montfichet family. A question was raised as to
whether the use of chevrons by the Montfichet family was adequate -
let along significant - evidence as to an alleged Montfichet descent
from the de Clare family.

The evidence that Margaret, wife of William de Montfichet, was
not only a daughter of the de Clare family is found in the Rotuli de
Dominabus (1185), where the following is given:

' Margareta de Muntfichet, que fuit filia
Gileberti filii Ricardi de Clara, est de
donatione Domini Regis, et est .lx. annorum
et amplius. Gilebertus de Muntfichet est
ejus filius et heres, et preter eum habuit
.iij. infantes. Terra sua de Barenton valet
.xiij. l.; et si esset bene instaurata,
valeret .xvj. l. ' [1]

The foregoing proves Margaret's parentage: she was in fact a
daughter of Gilbert fitz Richard, and a sister of Richard de Clare
(lord of Tonbridge) and his younger brother Gilbert, 1st earl of
Pembroke. She was also evidently the namesake of her maternal
grandmother, Margaret de Roucy.

In addition, the 1185 record indicates that she had 3 other
children in addition to Gilbert de Montfichet ('et preter eum
habuit .iij. infantes'). The names of these children are not given,
but I am led to the conclusion that one of these was Richard de
Montfichet, the founder of the family in Scotland. Richard de
Montfichet had a grant of Cargill, co. Perth ca 1165x1195:

' An exemplified copy is preserved in the Perth
charter-chest of a very old charter, by which
William the Lion grants "Richardo Mountfecht"
the lands of "Kergill et praeterea Kincardin,
juxta Strivelyn, cum socca et sacca, cum furca
et fossa, cum thal et them, et infanganthef,"
to be held in free barony for the service of
one knight. ' [2]

' Ricardo de Munfichet ' was of sufficient rank and regard in
Scotland by 1178 that he was a witness to a charter of that year,
named before Saier de Quincy and Malise, son of the Earl of Strathearn
[3]. ' Ricard' de Mu'ficheth ' was subsequently a witness [together
with "Walt'o olif' . Justic' . Nesso fil' Will'i . Will'o de lyndes' .
Walt' de Berkel' . Ricard' de Mu'ficheth . Joh'e de Lund' "] to a
charter of King William granting a toft outside the burgh of Perth to
Arbroath priory, ca. 1178-1188 [4].

Thanks to the above mentioned and other documents - with special
thanks to the editors and publishers (original and online) of the
Victoria County History series - I have been able to develop a
pedigree of Montfichet of Cargill, co. Perth from this generation to
that of Mary de Montfichet, heiress of Cargill & c. and the mother of
Annabela Drummond, Robert III's queen. This pedigree is outlined
below, with a more detailed account to come in a following post.
Should anyone have additional relevant documentation, as well as
comment or criticism, that would be most welcome.

Cheers,

John

Gilbert de Clare = Adeliza de Clermont
d. ca. 1117 I
________________________I____
I I III I
Richard Gilbert <sibs> Margaret = William de
de Clare I Montfichet
d. ca.1189 I d. 1137
________________________________I
I I
Gilbert Richard de Montfichet
of Stansted, of Cargill and Kincardine-
Essex in Menteith
I I
V I Laurence de
William Abernethy
d. aft 2 Mar = Dervorguilla
1215 of Galloway
_________________I I
I I I
Richard Sir William Patrick
sheriff of Perth, de Abernethy
1240 I
I _________I_____
I I I
1) Sir Walter = Devorgilla Sir Hugh
d. bef 19 I = 2) David Abernethy
Jan 1261 I Olifard I
________________I___________________ V
I I I I I
William Laurence John Hugh Devorgilla
prob. d. bef. fl. 1287
1287 I_____________
I_____ I
I I
William John
b. bef 1266; fl. 1287
grantor of lands, 1287
d. bef 28 Aug 1296
I
I
Sir William de Montfichet
of Cargill and Auchterarder
b. bef Mar 1290;
forfeited and d. bef 1345
____I_____________________________
I I I
Mary Devorgilla Margaret
= Sir John
de Drummond
__I______________________
I I I
Sir Malcolm Sir John Annabela = Robert III
Drummond Drummond I K of Scots
I I
V V


NOTES

[1] John Walmsley, ed., Widows, Heirs and Heiresses
in the Late Twelfth Century: the Rotuli de
Dominabus et Pueris et Puellis, in Medieval
and Renaissance Texts and Studies, vol. 308
(Tempe: Arizona Center for Medieval and
Renaissance Studies, 2006), p. 126, no. 219.
The extracted text is courtesy Googlebooks.

[2] The New Statistical Account of Scotland
(Edinburgh: William Blackwood and Sons, 1845),
X:1259.

[3] Charter of King William granting a tenth of
his 'returns' in Moray to the Bishop of Moray,
witnessed by " Jocelino episcopo Glascuensi .
Matheo episcopo Aberdonensi . comite Dunecano
justiciario . comite Gilleb' de
Stratheren . M . comite Ethol . Jocelino
archidiacono Dunkeldensi . Ricardo de Morauill
constabulario . Waltero Olifard . Ricardo de
Munfichet . Serer de Quincj . Malis filio
comitis Ferteth . Ricardo et Philippo
Marscaldo " [Cosmo Innes, ed., Registrum
Episcopatus Moraviensis (Edinburgh: printed
for the Bannatyne Club, 1837), p. 7, no. 7].
The charter can be dated ca. 1177 x ca 1178:
Joscelin was archdeacon of Dunkeld, 1177-1194,
and Richard de Morville, constable of
Scotland, died in 1189. Walter Olifard
became Justiciar of Lothian ca. 1178, and is
not identified as Justiciar in this charter.

[4] Cosmo Innes, ed., Liber S. Thome de Aberbrothoc
(Edinburgh: T. Constable, for the Bannatyne
Club, 1848), I:13, no. 10.

John P. Ravilious

unread,
Apr 25, 2009, 1:29:49 PM4/25/09
to

On Apr 25, 1:12 pm, "John P. Ravilious" <ther...@aol.com> wrote:
> Saturday, 25 April, 2009
>
> Dear Pat, Tim, Todd, Chris, et al.,
>
>      Some time ago there was discussion on the subject of the Clare
> chevrons and the Montfichet family.  A question was raised as to
> whether the use of chevrons by the Montfichet family was adequate -
> let along significant - evidence as to an alleged Montfichet descent
> from the de Clare family.

==================

Dear Pat et al.,

Following is the detailed pedigree.

Cheers,

John


----------------------

1 Gilbert de Clare
----------------------------------------
Death: ca 11171,2
Occ: lord of Clare, Tonbridge and Cardigan
Father: Richard fitz Gilbert de Clare (-ca1090)
Mother: Rohese Giffard

Lord of Clare
lord of Ceredigion (Cardigan) by grant from King Henry I, ca 11103

'...domino Gileberto Ricardi filio, avunculi eius..' (mortuary roll of
Abbot Vitalis of St. Swithin's, Winchester - as uncle of Meen de
Fougeres)4

Spouse: Adeliza de Clermont5
Father: Hugh de Clermont (-1101)
Mother: Margaret de Roucy

Children: Richard de Clare (-1136)
Gilbert de Clare, Earl of Pembroke (-ca1147)
Adeliza (-ca1163), m. Aubrey de Vere
Rohese (-<1166), m. Baderon de Monmouth
Margaret (?1110-ca1189)
Baldwin fitz Gilbert (-ca1154), of Bourne, co. Lincs.


1.1 Margaret de Clare
----------------------------------------
Birth: ? 1110
Death: ca 11896

'Margaret, daughter of Gilbert fitz Richard de Clare...' (DD 595)6

she fl. 1185:


' Margareta de Muntfichet, que fuit filia Gileberti filii Ricardi de
Clara, est de donatione Domini Regis, et est .lx. annorum et amplius.
Gilebertus de Muntfichet est ejus filius et heres, et preter eum
habuit .iij. infantes. Terra sua de Barenton valet .xiij. l.; et si

esset bene instaurata, valeret .xvj. l. ' [Rotuli de Dominabus, in
Walmsley, Widows, Heirs and Heiresses p. 126, no. 2197]

the tenancy-in-chief of the barony of Robert Gernon acquired by her
husband William de Montfichet before 1129:
possibly part of her maritagium or marriage-portion (DD 595)6

' Margareta de Munfichet', granted 5 acres in my manor of Ginges ['
villa mea de Ginges '] to one Fulk, for 1 pound of peper to be
rendered at the vigil of St. John the Baptist, ca. 1170 - witnessed by
Warin de Bassingbourne, Alexander his brother, and others [Thorley, p.
518]
____________________________

re: her husband:

'Willelm de Montfichet', acquired the tenancy-in-chief of the barony
of Robert Gernon before 1129 (DD 5956)

' Willielmus de Montefixo', confirmed grants to the church of St. Mary
of Ham [Westham priory], of which he is the alleged founder; witnessed
by his wife Margaret ["Hiis testibus Margareta uxore mea"] and others
[Weever, Antient Funeral Monuments, p. 3589]

the carta for his barony returned in his name, 1166 instead of his son
(DD, citing Sanders p. 83)6

Spouse: William de Montfichet
Death: 11376,10

Children: Gilbert (?1130-ca1187)
Richard (?1135->1177)


1.1.1 Gilbert de Montfichet
----------------------------------------
Birth: ? 1130
Death: ca 11876,10

of Stansted [Stansted Montfichet], Essex

founder of a nunnery at Ankerwyke, co. Bucks. before 1163 (DD 595
citing Mon. Ang. iv, 230-31)6

record from the Pipe Roll of 11 Hen II for Essex and Hertfordshire [19
Dec 1164-19 Dec 1165]:
" Gilleb' de Munfichet redd' Comp' de .xxv. li. de firma de
Westmelna . de .ii. annis 't dim. In th' .xv. li. Et deb' .x.
li." [Pipe Roll Soc. VIII:1611]

' Gilbert de munfichet', witness [together with Arnulph de Caio, Roger
de gauchin, Gilbert de munfichet, Henry de chaumunt and others] to a
charter of Matthew, count of Boulogne granting the tolls and customs
'exacted in Wissant, Boulogne or 'Niewene' from those crossing' to the
Priory of Canterbury, exempting the Priory from same, 'for the love of
God and the honour of St. Thomas Becket...', undated [date 29 Dec 1170
x 25 Dec 1173] [A2A, Canterbury Cathedral Archives, Dean and Chapter
Archive, CCA-DCc-ChAnt/F/13212]

: Thomas Becket was murdered on 29 Dec 1170; Matthew, count of
Boulogne d. 25 Dec 1173.


re: his parentage, the editor of Bishop Gilbert Foliot's letters
wrote,
' Robert Gernun's honour passed to William de Muntfichet and then to
his son Gilbert, whose guardian and uncle, Earl Gilbert (de Clare),
tried to oust the abbey...' [Letters and Charters of Gilbert Foliot,
p. 41613]

record in the Rotuli de Dominabus (1185):


' Margareta de Muntfichet, que fuit filia Gileberti filii Ricardi de
Clara, est de donatione Domini Regis, et est .lx. annorum et amplius.
Gilebertus de Muntfichet est ejus filius et heres, et preter eum
habuit .iij. infantes. Terra sua de Barenton valet .xiij. l.; et si

esset bene instaurata, valeret .xvj. l. ' [Routli de Dominabus, in
Walmsley, Widows, Heirs and Heiresses p. 126, no. 2197]

Spouse: Avelina de Lucy
Father: Richard de Lucy (-1179)
Mother: Rohese de Boulogne

Children: Richard de Montfichet, of Stansted [Stansted Montfichet],
Essex (-1203)
Rohese (->1193)


1.1.2 Richard de Montfichet
----------------------------------------
Birth: ? 1135
Death: aft 117714,15

of Cargill and Kincardine in Menteith, co. Perth

had a grant of Cargill, co. Perth ca 1165x1195:
' An exemplified copy is preserved in the Perth charter-chest
of a very old charter, by which William the Lion grants
"Richardo Mountfecht" the lands of "Kergill et praeterea
Kincardin, juxta Strivelyn, cum socca et sacca, cum furca
et fossa, cum thal et them, et infanganthef," to be held in

free barony for the service of one knight. ' [Stat. Account
of Scotland X:125916. Dated 'ca 1165x1214', but see
the following]

: Prof. Barrow wrote of the knights' fees created by King William the
Lion,
' We may put in the same class Cargill on the Tay and Kincardine in
Menteith, both afterwards parishes, which together made a knight's fee
for Richard de Montfiquet (Muschet) before 1196.' [Barrow, The Kingdom
of the Scots, p. 26217, cites RRS ii, no. 334]

' Ricardo de Munfichet ', witness [together with Jocelino episcopo


Glascuensi . Matheo episcopo Aberdonensi . comite Dunecano
justiciario . comite Gilleb' de Stratheren . M . comite Ethol .
Jocelino archidiacono Dunkeldensi . Ricardo de Morauill
constabulario . Waltero Olifard . Ricardo de Munfichet . Serer de

Quincj . Malis filio comitis Ferteth . Ricardo et Philippo Marscaldo ]
to a charter of King William 'the Lion' granting a tenth of his
returns in Moray to the Bishop of Moray, dated ca. 1177x ca 1178 [Reg.
Epis. Moraviensis p. 7, no. 714]

: Joscelin was archdeacon of Dunkeld, 1177-1194. Richard de Morville,
constable of Scotland d. in 1189. Walter Olifard became Justiciar of
Lothian, ca. 1178.

" Ricard' de Mu'ficheth ", witness [together with "Walt'o olif' .


Justic' . Nesso fil' Will'i . Will'o de lyndes' . Walt' de Berkel' .

Ricard' de Mu'ficheth . Joh'e de Lund' "] to charter of King William
granting a toft outside the burgh of Perth to Arbroath priory, done at
Forfar, ca. 1178-1188 [Liber S. Thome de Aberbrothoc I:13, no. 1015]

' Between 1195 and 1199 the king confirmed a grant by Richard de
Monfiquet to William, son of Alexander.... of a toft and croft between
the castle and the church, an oxgang and one toft beside Leyston, and
a half ploughgate in Whitefield ' [South-East Perth, p. 11318, cites
Reg. Reg. Scot., ii., no. 377]

cf. Chart. Inchaffray, p. 27919
Chalmers, Caledonia II:59320

Children: William (?1165->1215)

1.1.2.1 William de Montfichet
----------------------------------------
Birth: ? 1165
Death: aft 26 Mar 121521

of Cargill and Kincardine in Menteith, co. Perth

' Willelmus de Munfichet', gave a charter to Coupar priory granting
full pasture for 40 beasts from Keithick on his pasture of Cargill,
and other rights, dated ca. 1220 [Coupar I:70-71, No. XXXI22]

' Willelmo de Muntfichet', witness [together with William de Bosco,
chancellor, William Comyn, earl of Buchan and Justiciar of Scotia,
Thomas Hostiarius and others] to charter of Alexander II confirming a
grant by his brother Robert de Londoniis to the monks of May priory,
dated at Clonin, 26 Mar [1215x1233] [Records of the Priory of the Isle
of May, p. 12, no. 1921]

: Alexander II became king in 1214; William Comyn d. 1233.


cf. Chalmers, Caledonia II:59320

Children: Richard (->1244)
Sir William (<1205->1241)

1.1.2.1.1 Richard de Montfichet
----------------------------------------
Death: aft Aug 124423

' Richard de Munfichet ', one of the jurors who [together with
Nicholas de Sules, Gilbert de la Hay, Robert de Mayneres, John
Comin, David Comin, Richard de Munfichet, Malcolm, son of the
Earl, Dunckan Sibald, Randulf de Bonekil, Henry de Graham, William
de Valoniis, Alexander de Strivelin, William de La hay, Walter de
Bonckil, Henry de Wyntone, John de Fentone, Henry de Halibortone and
others] supported Walter Comyn, Earl of Menteith in his oath (together
with Patrick, Earl of Dunbar) before King Henry III of England, 'Circa
1244' :
' 2671. The form of oath taken by the Earls Patric, and Walter
Cumin, viz., that they were neither of counsel or aid, when on their
part any people were sent to attack or lay waste the K. of England's
land in Ireland, or elsewhere, to the K.'s dishonour; nor ever
received any of his enemies, especially William de Mariscis and his
son.' [Bain, I:551-323]

- probably ca. 14 Aug 1244, when the Treaty of Newcastle between
Alexander II of Scots and Henry III of England resolved the dispute
[DNB I:26324]


1.1.2.1.2 Sir William de Montfichet
----------------------------------------
Birth: bef 31 Mar 120525
Death: aft 18 Apr 124122

of Cargill and Kincardine in Menteith, co. Perth

Sheriff of Perth, 1240

record of his seal:
' 2. Ermine 3 chevronells William M 1220 ' [Bruce McAndrew, cites
Stevenson, SHS 52626]

Alexander II granted a charter [witnessed by comite Patricio . comite
Malcolmo de Fyffe . Alano filio Rollandi constabulario . Waltero filio
Alani senescallo . Waltero Olifard justiciario Laodonie . Henrico de
Bayllol camerario . Ingeram de Bayllol vicecomite de Berewyke .
Johanne de Haya vicecomite de Perth . Willelmo de Munfichet] of the
lands of Rathmorchus to the bishop of Moray, dated at Stirling, 31 Mar
1226 [Illus. Aberdeen and Banff II:13825]

'Willelmo de Munfichet', witness [together with 'Willelmo electo
Glasguensi Cancellario Henrico de Strivelin filio Comitis Waltero
Byset Davide de Hastengys Willelmo de Munfichet Willelmo Byset Anselmo
de Camelin'] to a charter of King Alexander II confirming a convention
between Bernard Fraser and the Priory of the Isle of May, dated at
Stirling, 17 Aug 1233 [Records of the Priory of the Isle of May, p.
13, no. 2021]

: William de Bondington was elected bishop of Glasgow in May or June
1233; he was not consecrated until 11 Sept 1233.


' Willelmo de munfichet ', witness [together with William de Mar, John
de Cameron and others] to a charter of King Alexander II confirming
the donation by William de Haya of lands in the Carse of Gowrie to
Coupar priory, dated at Forfar, 18 Apr 1241 [Coupar I:106-7, No.
XLVI22]

' domini Willelmi de Munthfichet vicecomitis de Perth', together with
Sir Walter de Ruthven and Sir William Olifard, sealed the charter of
John son of Matheus Lorimarius, clerk, granting a quitclaim to the
priory of Scone, 5 May 1240 [Liber Ecclesie de Scon, pp. 60-61, no.
9527]

' Will'o de Munifichet ', witness [together with Walter Comyn, earl of
Menteith, Alan 'hostiario', David de Lindesey, 'patr fil Will'i',
William de Munifichet, and Robert Biset] to charter of King Alexander
II granting 2 acres in Scone to the priory of Scone, dated at Scone, 5
Feb 27 Alex [1240/41] [Liber Ecclesie de Scone, pp. 45-46, no. 7427]

Children: Walter (-<1261)


1.1.2.1.2.1 Sir Walter de Montfichet
----------------------------------------

of Stobhall, Cargill and Auchterarder, co. Perth


" Divorgilla Oliphant gave to Divorgilla daughter of Sir Walter
Montfichet (Montefixo) all the lands in Armiston which she held by
gift of Roger Wallenger, with remainders to Divorgilla Montfichet's
brothers Laurence and John. (fn. 21) "[VCH Northampton 3:227-23129,
cites Buccleuch Deeds]

Spouse: Devorgilla de Abernethy
Death: aft 3 Feb 129531
Father: Patrick de Abernethy (-<1244)
Mother: NN

Children: William (<1287)
Laurence
John
Hugh
Devorgilla

1.1.2.1.2.1.1 William de Montfichet
----------------------------------------

Death: bef 1287, d.v.m.

of Stobhall, Cargill and Auchterarder, co. Perth

possibly ' William de Munificheth ', granted lands of 'Leisington' to
Bernard
de Kergylle, 128332

his son succeeded his father (or grandfather) as lord of Cargill
before 1288: in a charter dated 1287,


Children: William (<1267-<1296)
David (->1296)
Richard (->1296)


1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1 William de Montfichet
----------------------------------------
Birth: bef 1267
Death: bef 28 Aug 1296


possibly ' William de Munificheth ', granted lands of 'Leisington' to
Bernard
de Kergylle, 128332

{this was either his father, or himself}

b. before 1267:
he succeeded his father (or grandfather) as lord of Cargill as shown
in a charter dated 1287,
' .. William de Mufichet is noted as "William Lord of Kergill in
Scotland, next heir to the lady Devorgoll, Lady of Lilleford in Co
Northet". [Alex Findlater31, cites BM Add Ch 21505]

~ the seal of William de Montfichet, from the same record:

' William Munfichet, al. de Monte Fixo,
"Lord of Kergell' in Scotland," Cargill, co. Perth,
"next heir to the Lady Dervorgoll' Olifart,
Lady of Lillefor, in co. Northt."

16,673. [A.D. 1287.] Dark-green: somewhat indistinct in
places. 13/16 in. [Add. ch. 21,505.]
A demi-lion rampant, contourne. Background replenished
with cinquefoils.

S' WILL'MI + MVFICHET . ' [Birch, Cat. Seals IV:517,
no. 16,67333]

" In 1242-3 the heir of Walter Oliphant (as though Walter were dead)
is said to hold one fee in Lilford of the Earl of Albemarle of the
Honour of Huntingdon. (fn. 17) This heir was apparently David
Oliphant, one of the magnates of Scotland, who in 1244 was returned as
holding one fee in Northamptonshire of William de Forz, Earl of
Albemarle, and Christine his wife. (fn. 18) It would seem that this
David was dead without issue before 1266 when Walter de Moray
(Moravia), apparently one of his heirs, presented to the church of
Lilford. (fn. 19) Divorgilla his widow, described as Lady of Lilford,
held the manor of Lilford for life by gift of Walter de Moray, who
reserved the advowson of the church. (fn. 20) Divorgilla Oliphant gave
to Divorgilla daughter of Sir Walter Montfichet (Montefixo) all the
lands in Armiston which she held by gift of Roger Wallenger, with
remainders to Divorgilla Montfichet's brothers Laurence and John. (fn.
21) In 1287 William Montfichet, Lord of Kirgill (Kirkhill) in
Scotland, and heir of the Lady Divorgilla Oliphant, Lady of Lilford,
granted the lands he had received from her to Laurence son of Sir
Walter de Montfichet, his kinsman, with reversion to John son of the
said Laurence. (fn. 22) In 1296 Divorgilla claimed the advowson of the
church of Lilford against William son of Walter de Moray, and the King
presented because the lands of Scottish magnates had been taken into
his hands. (fn. 23) However, in 1299, the presentation was quashed as
having been made in error, the patronage belonging to William de
Moray. (fn. 24) "[VCH Northampton 3:227-23129, cites Buccleuch Deeds]

he evidently d. before 28 August 1296, as David and Richard de
Montfichet ('Mufchet') - evidently his brothers - swore allegiance to
Edward I of England at Berwick [Ragman Roll34 ]

Children: Sir William (?1290-<1345)

1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.1 Sir William de Montfichet
----------------------------------------
Birth: ? 1290
Death: bef 134535

knt., of Stobhall, Cargill and Auchterarder, co. Perth

probably a younger son of William de Montfichet, and a minor in August
1296 (David and Richard de Montfichet only appear swearing fealty to
Edward I at Berwick, 28 August 1296) [Ragman Roll34 ]

' [Lord] Willelmo de monte fixo [knight]', witness (together with
David, Earl of Athol, Sir Alexander de Abernethy, Roger de Mortimer
and others) to a charter of Michael de Miggil granting free passage
through his lands to Coupar priory, dated 1306x1317 - but most likely
between 1307 and 1312 [Coupar I:190-191, No. LXXXVIII22]

' [Lord] Willelmo de monte fixo [knight]', witness (together with
David, Earl of Athol, Sir Alexander de Abernethy, Roger de Mortimer
and others) to a charter of John de Inchmartin granting free passage
through his lands to Coupar priory, dated 1307x1317 - but most likely
between 1307 and 1312 [Coupar I:192-3, No. LXXXIX22]

' [Lord] Willelmo de monte fixo [knight]', witness (together with
David, Earl of Athol, Sir Alexander de Abernethy, Roger de Mortimer
and others) to a 2nd charter of John de Inchmartin granting free
passage through his lands to Coupar priory, dated 1307x1317 - but most
likely between 1307 and 1312 [Coupar I:193, No. XC22]

order of King Edward II directed ' to his dear and faithful William de
Montfichet ' ["dilecto et fideli suo Willielmo de Monte Fychet"] to
break the Convention made with the Scots to surrender Dundee, dated at
York, 2 Mar 1311/12 [Chart. Dundee, p. 4, no. 636]

: subsequent order of King Edward II dated at York 21 Mar 1311/12,
appointing William de Montfichet ['Willielmi de Mountfitchet"] and
David de Brechin Governors of the Town of Dundee [Chart. Dundee, p. 7,
no. 1036]

' William de Monte Fixo ', subject of an order of King Edward II
dated at Westminster, 25 Oct 1316:
' To the same [who supplies the place of the treasurer and to the
barons of the exchequer]. Order to cause allowance to be made to the
above collectors [Nicholas and Thomas de Karliolo] for 100 marks that
the king ordered them to pay to William de Monte Fixo for the arrears
of his wages when he was in the king's service in Scotland, and for
53l. that the king ordered them to pay to Ingreram Coloigne for 236
quarters of barley bought from him for the expenses of the king's
household at Newcastle-on-Tyne in April, in the fifth year of the
reign. ' [CCR 7 Edw II, p. 18, mem. 2237]

he came into King Robert's peace before 1319:
Justiciar north of the Forth, 1319-1333 [Coupar p. 19122, cites REM,
p. 471]

' Willelmus de Montefixo ', Surety of the Arbroath Declaration, 6
April 1320 (Barrow pp. 424-8)38

witness to charters of King Robert I, 30 Jan 1323/4 to 4 Mar 1327/8
[Coupar p. 19122, cites RMS i. App. 1, 77 and RMS ii. 3737]

' Sir William Montfichet ', witness [together with Hugh, Earl of Ross,
James, Lord Douglas, Sir Robert Lauder and Sir William Montfichet] to
a charter of King Robert I confirming the ancient rights and
privileges of the Burgh of Dundee, dated at Edinburgh, 4 Mar 1327/28
[Chart. Dundee pp. 9-11, no. 1636]

concerning the lands of the thanage of Auchterarder, Alexander Grant
wrote in part,
' 1328, Robert I gave Sir William Muschet 'all our land of A
[uchterarder], including rents of burgh, in barony, for 1/2 knight's
service (RRS, v, no. 337). 1364, David II gave Malcolm Drummond
(Muschet's son-in-law) services of all freetenants of barony of A
[uchterarder] (RRS, vi, no. 1318). ' [Grant, Thanes and Thanages, from
the Eleventh to the Fourteenth Centuries, p. 8039]

'Willelmo de Monte Fixo', knight, witness (together with John de
Menteith, Malise of Strathearn and others) to a charter from Murdoch,
earl of Menteith for the gift to Walter de Menteith of the lands of
Thom and Lanarkynys in Menteith, and fishing rights in the river
Teith, ca. 1330 [Red Book of Menteith II:225-728]

either he or his daughters were found to have 'gone over' to the
English (or as supporters of Edward Baliol as King) in 1346 or before,
as their lands were forfeited by King David II of Scots [SP VII:
35-3635]

his daughters and coheirs included Mary, wife of Sir John (de)
Drummond:
' She was the eldest of three daughters, co-heiresses of Sir William
Montefichet, and Lord Strathallan affirms that King David, in dividing
their father's estate among his daughters, gave her the greatest
share, while on account of their adherence to the English interest,
her sisters, Devorgilla or Dornagilla, and Margaret, were forfeited,
and their possessions were given to Duncan and William Napier and to
Hew Danielston, which gifts, according to Lord Strathallan, were dated
at Dumbarton in 1366. ' [SP VII:3535]


cf. SP VII:35-36, sub _Drummond, Earl of Perth_35

Children: Mary
Devorguilla
Margaret

1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1 Mary de Montfichet
----------------------------------------

eldest daughter and coheiress
heiress of Cargill and Stobhall

Thompson and Hansen 14(2):208 #115540

Spouse: Sir John de Drummond
Death: aft May 136041
Father: Sir Malcolm de Drummond (-ca1346)

Children: Annabela (?1345-1403)
Malcolm (-<1402)
Sir John (-1428)

1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.1 Annabela Drummond
----------------------------------------
Birth: ? 1345
Death: 1403, Inverkeithing42
Burial: Dunfermline Abbey, Fife42


' 1403.-ROYAL INTERMENT IN THE ABBEY.-Queen Annabella Drummond,
consort of King Robert III., died at Inverkeithing, and was interred
in “haly sepulture” in the Abbey of Dunfermline, but whether in the
original building or in the Choir is not known. This was the last of
the Royal Interments at Dunfermline, excepting the infant son of James
VI. in 1602. (Chalmers’s Gaz. Scot. pp. 584, 585; Chal. Hist. Dunf.
vol. i. p. 137; vol. ii. p. 242.)'42

cf. Scots Peerage (Kings of Scots)35
Thompson and Hansen 6(2):151 #57740

Spouse: Robert III of Scotland
Birth: 1337
Death: 4 Apr 1406, Dundonald Castle, Carrick (co. Ayr)35
Father: Robert II of Scotland (1315-1390)
Mother: Elizabeth Mure (?1317-<1355)
Marr: 13 Mar 1365, date of dispensation1

Children: Elizabeth
Margaret (-<1456)
David (1378-1402)
Princess Mary (?1380->1431)
Robert (-<1406)
James I (-1436)

1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.2 Malcolm Drummond
----------------------------------------
Death: bef Nov 140241,35

of Cargill and Auchterarder, co. Perth
lord of Mar (de jure uxoris)

' Schir Malcom of Drommonde, Lord of Mare,
A manful knycht, bathe wise and war,
That lange befor than weddit was
Withe the Erllys douchtyr of Dowglas
Wilyame, the fyrst erl was he
That beltyt was of that cowntte;
... ' [Wyntoun, Chronicle book IX, Chapter XXI, lines 2315-2320; p.
40343]

supporter of his nephew David, Duke of Rothesay (arrested and
imprisoned 1401/2 d. in prison)41

cf. SP VII:37-3935

Spouse: Isabel Douglas
Death: ca Aug 1408, d.s.p.3
Father: William de Douglas (-1384)
Mother: Margaret of Mar (->1389)

1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.1.1.3 Sir John Drummond
----------------------------------------
Death: 142835

knt., of Cargill and Stobhall, co. Perth

Justiciar of Scotland, 1391


cf. SP VII:3935

Spouse: Elizabeth Sinclair
Father: Henry Sinclair (-1404)
Mother: Jean Haliburton

Children: Sir Walter
Robert

1.1.2.1.2.1.1.2 David de Montfichet
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 28 Aug 1296, d.s.p. ?


' Mufchet, Dauid (del counte de Anegos).', swore allegiance to King
Edward I at Berwick, 28 August 1296 [Ragman Roll34 ]

1.1.2.1.2.1.1.3 Richard de Montfichet
----------------------------------------
Death: aft 28 Aug 1296, d.s.p. ?


'Mufchet, Richard (del counte de Anegos).', swore allegiance to King
Edward I at Berwick, 28 August 1296 [Ragman Roll34 ]

1.1.2.1.2.1.2 Laurence de Montfichet
----------------------------------------

" Divorgilla Oliphant gave to Divorgilla daughter of Sir Walter
Montfichet (Montefixo) all the lands in Armiston which she held by
gift of Roger Wallenger, with remainders to Divorgilla Montfichet's
brothers Laurence and John. (fn. 21) In 1287 William Montfichet, Lord
of Kirgill (Kirkhill) in Scotland, and heir of the Lady Divorgilla
Oliphant, Lady of Lilford, granted the lands he had received from her
to Laurence son of Sir Walter de Montfichet, his kinsman, with
reversion to John son of the said Laurence. (fn. 22) In 1296
Divorgilla claimed the advowson of the church of Lilford against
William son of Walter de Moray, and the King presented because the
lands of Scottish magnates had been taken into his hands. (fn. 23)
However, in 1299, the presentation was quashed as having been made in
error, the patronage belonging to William de Moray. (fn. 24) "[VCH
Northampton 3:227-23129, cites Buccleuch Deeds]


Children: John

1.1.2.1.2.1.3 John de Montfichet
----------------------------------------

" Divorgilla Oliphant gave to Divorgilla daughter of Sir Walter
Montfichet (Montefixo) all the lands in Armiston which she held by
gift of Roger Wallenger, with remainders to Divorgilla Montfichet's
brothers Laurence and John. (fn. 21) In 1287 William Montfichet, Lord
of Kirgill (Kirkhill) in Scotland, and heir of the Lady Divorgilla
Oliphant, Lady of Lilford, granted the lands he had received from her
to Laurence son of Sir Walter de Montfichet, his kinsman, with
reversion to John son of the said Laurence. (fn. 22) In 1296
Divorgilla claimed the advowson of the church of Lilford against
William son of Walter de Moray, and the King presented because the
lands of Scottish magnates had been taken into his hands. (fn. 23)
However, in 1299, the presentation was quashed as having been made in
error, the patronage belonging to William de Moray. (fn. 24) "[VCH
Northampton 3:227-23129, cites Buccleuch Deeds]

1.1.2.1.2.1.4 Hugh de Montfichet
----------------------------------------

' Hugone de Montefixo ', witness to a charter [witnessed by Sir
Gilbert de Hay of Erol, Sir John Cameron of Ballegarno, Sir John de
Inchmartin and others] from John of Glassary to his sister Margaret
and her husband Dougal Campbell of 'Knocnagullaran' and others lands,
dated ca. 1315 [Glassarie Writs pp. 132-134, No. VI44]


1.1.2.1.2.1.5 Devorgilla de Montfichet
----------------------------------------

' Divorgilla Oliphant gave to Divorgilla daughter of Sir Walter
Montfichet (Montefixo) all the lands in Armiston which she held by
gift of Roger Wallenger, with remainders to Divorgilla Montfichet's
brothers Laurence and John. (fn. 21) "[VCH Northampton 3:227-23129,
cites Buccleuch Deeds]


1. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215,"
Baltimore: Gen Pub Co., 5th ed., 1997 (W. L. Sheppard Jr & David
Faris).
2. Elisabeth M. C. Van Houts, ed., "The Gesta Normannorum Ducum of
William of Jumieges, Orderic Vitalis, and Robert of Torigni," Oxford:
Clarendon Press, 1995 (Vol. II - Books V-VIII) [reprinted 2003],
Oxford Medieval Texts, courtesy LiveSearch.
3. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 - [microprint,
1982 (Alan Sutton) ], The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland
Great Britain and the United Kingdom.
4. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday People," The Boydell Press,
1999, Vol. I: A Prosopography of Persons Occurring in English
Documents 1066-1166, cites Robert de Torigni, Interpolations to Gesta
Normannorum Ducum of Guillaume of Jumieges, (ed. van Houts, ii, 270)
and identification of Gilbert fitzRichard as uncle of Meen, seigneur
de Fougeres (Rouleau Mortuaire du B. Vital abbe de Savigni, edition
phototypique par L. Delisle Paris (1909), titre no. 182).
5. Stewart Baldwin, "Oldest Female Line?," Nov 20, 1996, GEN-MEDIEVAL-
L...@rootsweb.com.
6. K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday Descendants," The Boydell Press,
Woodbridge, 2002, cited by Rosie Bevan, 'Re: de Stuteville' Jul 2,
2002, p. 723 (Osmund de Stuteville), full title: Domesday Descendants:
A Prosopography of Persons, Occurring in English Documents 1066-1166:
Pipe Rolls to Cartae Baronum.
7. John Walmsley, ed., "Widows, Heirs and Heiresses in the Late


Twelfth Century: the Rotuli de Dominabus et Pueris et Puellis,"

Medieval and Renaissance Texts and Studies, vol. 308, Tempe: Arizona
Center for Medieval and Renaissance Studies, 2006, courtesy
Googlebooks.
8. John Thorley, "Documents in Medieval Latin," Ann Arbor: Univ. of
Michigan Press, 1998.
9. John Weever, "Antient Funeral Monuments of Great-Britain, Ireland,
and the Islands Adjacent," London: W. Tooke, 1767, courtesy
GoogleBooks.
10. I. J. Sanders, "English Baronies: A Study of Their Origin and
Descent, 1086-1327," Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1960.
11. The Pipe Roll Society, "The Great Roll of the Pipe for the
Eleventh year of the Reign of King Henry the Second, A.D. 1164-1165,"
London: printed by Wyman and Sons, 1887 (vol. VIII), courtesy
Search.live.com.
12. "Access to Archives," http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/, extracted 7
October, 2002, DEEDS OF TITLE AND COGNATE PAPERS, Nottinghamshire, DD/
4P/22/250 - re: Aldeby and minority, William de Morley (1 March
1339/40), Girlington: from Warwickshire County Record Office: Mordaunt
of Walton, Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: The Iveagh
(Phillipps) Suffolk Manuscripts, ref. HD 1538/172/3 - date: 6 Aug 1272
(re: Weyland), Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch: The Iveagh
(Phillipps) Suffolk Manuscripts, Thredling and Stow Hundreds, HD
1538/15 Vol.15/fol.17/4 - date: 28 Dec 1394, (ref. to Robert Morley,
knt.), Hastings: from Norfolk Record Office: Hastings Family of
Gressenhall, charters and other documents re: Hastings of Elsing, from
FILE - Charter - Grant - ref. MR 72 241 x 3, also, Norfolk Record
Office: Collecton of Manorial Documents relating to Gressenhall and
Hunstanton, (includes COLLECTION of MANORIAL DOCUMENTS relating to
GRESSENHALL and HUNSTANTON).
13. Christopher N. L. Brooke, ed., "The Letters and Charters of
Gilbert Foliot," Cambridge: Cambridge Univ. Press, 1967, courtesy
Googlebooks.
14. Cosmo Innes, ed., "Registrum Episcopatus Moraviensis," Edinburgh:
printed for the Bannatyne Club, 1837, courtesy Googlebooks, URL
http://books.google.com/books?id=7NMKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA4&dq=alan+penigtone&ei=cChCR6ffMI7O7gLxiKWBBw&ie=ISO-8859-1#PPA13,M1.
15. Cosmo Innes, ed., "Liber S. Thome de Aberbrothoc," Edinburgh: T.
Constable, for the Bannatyne Club, 1848, Registrorum Abbacie de
Aberbrothoc, Pars Vetus Munimentaque eidem coctanea complectens, 1178
- 1329, courtesy Canadian Libraries Archive http://www.archive.org/.
16. "The New Statistical Account of Scotland," Edinburgh: William
Blackwood and Sons, 1845 (Vol. X).
17. G. W. S. Barrow, "The Kingdom of the Scots: Government, Church and
Society from the eleventh to the fourteenth century," Edinburgh:
Edinburgh Univ. Press, 2003 (2nd edition; 1st ed., 1973).
18. P. Corser et al., eds., "South-East Perth: An Archaeological
Landscape," London: published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office,
1994, courtesy Googlebooks.
19. William Alexander Lindsay, K.C., Windsor Herald; John Dowden,
D.D., LL.D.; and John Maitland Thomson, LL.D., eds., "Charters, Bulls
and Other Documents relating to the Abbey of Inchaffray," 3rd Series,
Vol. 56, Edinburgh: T. and A. Constable, 1908.
20. George Chalmers, "Caledonia, Or, A Historical and Topographical
Account of North Britain," Paisley: Alexander Gardner, 1887 (Vol. II).
21. John Stuart, LL.D., ed., "Records of the Priory of the Isle of
May," Society of Antiquaries of Scotland, Edinburgh: printed for the
Society by R. Clark, 1868, courtesy Googlebooks.
22. D. E. Easson, ed., "Charters of the Abbey of Coupar Angus,"
Edinburgh: T. and A. Constable, Ltd., for the Scottish History
Society, 1947.
23. Joseph Bain, ed., "Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland,"
Edinburgh: Her Majesty's General Register House, 1881 (Vol. I), full
title: Calendar of Documents relating to Scotland, Preserved in Her
Majesty's Public Record Office, London.
24. "Alexander II, King of Scotland," Dictionary of National
Biography, New York: MacMillan and Co. (London: Smith, Elder & Co.),
Vol. I (1885), pp. 261-264.
25. The Spalding Club, "Illustrations of the Topography and
Antiquities of the shires of Aberdeen and Banff," Aberdeen: printed
for the Spalding Club, 1847 (vol. II), courtesy Google books.
26. John H. Stevenson and Marguerite Wood, eds., "Scottish Heraldic
Seals: Royal, Official, Ecclesiastical, Burghal, Personal," Glasgow:
James Maclehose & Sons, 1940.
27. William Smythe, ed., "Liber Ecclesie de Scon," Edinburgh: printed
for the Maitland Club by T. Constable, 1843, full title: Liber
Ecclesie de Scon: Munimenta Vetustiora Monasterii Sancte Trinitatis et
Sancti Michaelis de Scon, courtesy Googlebooks.
28. William Fraser, "The Red Book of Menteith," Edinburgh: 1880, .pdf
image files provided by Genealogy.com www.genealogy.com, history
and evidences concerning the Earls and Earldom of Mentieth.
29. "A History of the County of Northampton," Vol. 3: 'Parishes:
Lilford-with-Wigsthorpe', 1930, Vol. 3 pp. 227-231, online available,
courtesy British History Online, URL http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=66293.
30. John Riddell, Esq., "Inquiry into the Law and Practice in Scottish
Peerages, Before and After the Union," Edinburgh: Thomas Clark, Law-
Bookseller, 1842 (vol. II).
31. Alex Maxwell Findlater, "Re: SP Addition: the Ancestry of Margaret
Danielston (conjectured)," 6 November 2005, GEN-MEDIEVAL-
L...@rootsweb.com, cites BM Add Ch 21505, charter of 1287, and CDS Vol
II, No 725, re evidence concerning Devorgilla/Devorgoll, widow of Sir
David Olifard, whose heir was "William Lord of Kergill in Scotland".
32. "The Clan Cargill/Cargile Association," John Cargile,
http://www.angelfire.com/al/metaphysicsgalore/Cargile.html, cites
'Oliphants, p. 3'.
33. Walter de Grey Birch, "Catalogue of Seals in the Department of
Manuscripts in the British Museum," London: Longmans and Co., 1894
(Vol. III), 1895 (Vol. IV), Printed by Order of the Trustees.
34. "Clan Stirling," http://www.clanstirling.org/uploads/ragmanrolls.pdf,
provides .pdf file of the names of those who swore allegiance to
Edward I of England at Berwick, 1296 (the 'Ragman Rolls').
35. Sir James Balfour Paul, ed., "The Scots Peerage," Edinburgh: David
Douglas, 1904-1914 (9 volumes).
36. William Hay, ed., "Charters, Writs, and Public Documents of The
Royal Burgh of Dundee," Dundee: D. R. Clark and Son, 1880, courtesy
Googlebooks.
37. "Calendar of the Close Rolls," Edw II (1313-1318), London: Printed
for His Majesty's Stationery Office by Eyre and Spottiswoode, 1893.
38. G. W. S. Barrow, "Robert Bruce and the Community of the Realm of
Scotland," Edinburgh University Press, 1976 (2nd ed.).
39. Alexander Grant, "Thanes and Thanages, from the Eleventh to the
Fourteenth Centuries," Alexander Grant and Keith J. Stringer, eds.,
Medieval Scotland: Crown, Lordship and Community, Edinburgh: Edinburgh
Univ. Press, 1993, pp. 39-81.
40. Neil D Thompson and Charles M Hansen, ""A Medieval Heritage: The
Ancestry of Charles II, King of England"," The Genealogist, 2:157-168,
3:25-44, 3:175-194, 4:144-158, 5:64-72, 5:226-239, 6:100-103,
6:148-165,, 7-8:137-143, 9:40-44, 10:73-85, 11:63-72, 11:184-193,
12:83-90, 12:250-256, 13:92-99, 13:252-256, 14:81-84, 14:207-210,
15:99-103, 15:220-224, 16:93-98, 16:227-231, 17:61-64, a graphical
summary of this ambitious project provided by the Foundation for
Medieval Genealogy, URL: http://fmg.ac/Projects/CharlesII/.
41. Stephen I Boardman, "The Early Stewart Kings: Robert II and Robert
III, 1371-1406," East Linton: Tuckwell Press, 1996, (The Stewart
Dynasty in Scotland Series, Vol. I).
42. Ebenezer Henderson, LL.D, "The Annals of Dunfermline and Vicinity,
from the Earliest Authentic Period to the Present Time, A.D. 1069 -
1878," Glasgow: John Tweed, 1879, text available courtesy of Electric
Scotland, http://www.electricscotland.com/history/dunfermline/.
43. F. J. Amours, ed., "The Original Chronicle of Andrew of Wyntoun,"
Edinburgh: William Blackwood and Sons, 1908 (Vol. VI), courtesy Google
Books, URL
http://books.google.com/books?id=5T1at996UA0C&pg=PA313&dq=wyntoun+chronicle+Chapter+VI&lr=&ei=70F1R-aPBYXoiQG90LT3AQ&ie=ISO-8859-1#PPR2,M1.
44. J. R. N. MacPhail, K.C., "Highland Papers," Edinburgh: T. and A.
Constable, Vol. II: 1916, printed for the Scottish History Society.


the...@aol.com

unread,
Apr 27, 2009, 8:17:32 AM4/27/09
to GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
[Part I of 2]

On Apr 25, 1:12=A0pm, "John P. Ravilious" <ther...@aol.com> wrote:
> Saturday, 25 April, 2009
>
> Dear Pat, Tim, Todd, Chris, et al.,
>

> =A0 =A0 =A0Some time ago there was discussion on the subject of the
Clare
> chevrons and the Montfichet family. =A0A question was raised as to


> whether the use of chevrons by the Montfichet family was adequate -
> let along significant - evidence as to an alleged Montfichet descent
> from the de Clare family.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Dear Pat et al.,

Cheers,

John


----------------------

re: her husband:

Children: William (?1165->1215)

Sheriff of Perth, 1240

Children: Walter (-<1261)

Death: bef 1287, d.v.m.


[end, Part I of 2]

the...@aol.com

unread,
Apr 27, 2009, 8:19:35 AM4/27/09
to GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
[Part 2 of 2]


1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1.1 Sir William de Montfichet
----------------------------------------

Children: Mary
Devorguilla
Margaret

in =93haly sepulture=94 in the Abbey of Dunfermline, but whether in the


original building or in the Choir is not known. This was the last of
the Royal Interments at Dunfermline, excepting the infant son of James

VI. in 1602. (Chalmers=92s Gaz. Scot. pp. 584, 585; Chal. Hist. Dunf.

cf. SP VII:37-3935

Justiciar of Scotland, 1391


cf. SP VII:3935

Children: Sir Walter
Robert

1.1.2.1.2.1.1.2 David de Montfichet
----------------------------------------


Death: aft 28 Aug 1296, d.s.p. ?


' Mufchet, Dauid (del counte de Anegos).', swore allegiance to King
Edward I at Berwick, 28 August 1296 [Ragman Roll34 ]

1.1.2.1.2.1.1.3 Richard de Montfichet
----------------------------------------


Death: aft 28 Aug 1296, d.s.p. ?


'Mufchet, Richard (del counte de Anegos).', swore allegiance to King
Edward I at Berwick, 28 August 1296 [Ragman Roll34 ]

1.1.2.1.2.1.2 Laurence de Montfichet
----------------------------------------

" Divorgilla Oliphant gave to Divorgilla daughter of Sir Walter


Montfichet (Montefixo) all the lands in Armiston which she held by
gift of Roger Wallenger, with remainders to Divorgilla Montfichet's
brothers Laurence and John. (fn. 21) In 1287 William Montfichet, Lord
of Kirgill (Kirkhill) in Scotland, and heir of the Lady Divorgilla
Oliphant, Lady of Lilford, granted the lands he had received from her
to Laurence son of Sir Walter de Montfichet, his kinsman, with
reversion to John son of the said Laurence. (fn. 22) In 1296
Divorgilla claimed the advowson of the church of Lilford against
William son of Walter de Moray, and the King presented because the
lands of Scottish magnates had been taken into his hands. (fn. 23)
However, in 1299, the presentation was quashed as having been made in
error, the patronage belonging to William de Moray. (fn. 24) "[VCH
Northampton 3:227-23129, cites Buccleuch Deeds]


Children: John

1.1.2.1.2.1.3 John de Montfichet
----------------------------------------

" Divorgilla Oliphant gave to Divorgilla daughter of Sir Walter


Montfichet (Montefixo) all the lands in Armiston which she held by
gift of Roger Wallenger, with remainders to Divorgilla Montfichet's
brothers Laurence and John. (fn. 21) In 1287 William Montfichet, Lord
of Kirgill (Kirkhill) in Scotland, and heir of the Lady Divorgilla
Oliphant, Lady of Lilford, granted the lands he had received from her
to Laurence son of Sir Walter de Montfichet, his kinsman, with
reversion to John son of the said Laurence. (fn. 22) In 1296
Divorgilla claimed the advowson of the church of Lilford against
William son of Walter de Moray, and the King presented because the
lands of Scottish magnates had been taken into his hands. (fn. 23)
However, in 1299, the presentation was quashed as having been made in
error, the patronage belonging to William de Moray. (fn. 24) "[VCH
Northampton 3:227-23129, cites Buccleuch Deeds]

1.1.2.1.2.1.4 Hugh de Montfichet
----------------------------------------

' Hugone de Montefixo ', witness to a charter [witnessed by Sir
Gilbert de Hay of Erol, Sir John Cameron of Ballegarno, Sir John de
Inchmartin and others] from John of Glassary to his sister Margaret
and her husband Dougal Campbell of 'Knocnagullaran' and others lands,
dated ca. 1315 [Glassarie Writs pp. 132-134, No. VI44]


1.1.2.1.2.1.5 Devorgilla de Montfichet
----------------------------------------

' Divorgilla Oliphant gave to Divorgilla daughter of Sir Walter


Montfichet (Montefixo) all the lands in Armiston which she held by
gift of Roger Wallenger, with remainders to Divorgilla Montfichet's
brothers Laurence and John. (fn. 21) "[VCH Northampton 3:227-23129,
cites Buccleuch Deeds]


=0C1. Frederick L. Weis, Th. D., "The Magna Carta Sureties, 1215,"

http://books.google.com/books?id=3D7NMKAAAAYAAJ&pg=3DPA4&dq=3Dalan+penigton=
e&ei=3DcChCR6ffMI7O7gLxiKWBBw&ie=3DISO-8859-1#PPA13,M1.

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/r=
eport.asp?compid=3D66293.

http://books.google.com/books?id=3D5T1at996UA0C&pg=3DPA313&dq=3Dwyntoun+chr=
onicle+Chapter+VI&lr=3D&ei=3D70F1R-aPBYXoiQG90LT3AQ&ie=3DISO-8859-1#PPR2,
M1=
..

maxwellf...@hotmail.com

unread,
May 1, 2009, 3:18:07 AM5/1/09
to
Dear John

Thank you for this very useful collection and analysis of the
descent. It is interesting to see the Montfichet's adopting arms
similar to their Clare brother-in-law/uncle/cousin at almost the same
time that we see the same in the case of the de Mandevilles and de
Veres. In both cases it seems probable that the new husband adopted
arms relating to his wife's family. The implication is that neither
the de Vere's nor the Mountfichets had arms themselves, or that those
arms were so little-known that they quickly put them aside. I think
that the former is more likely, and it suggests that the early 1100s
was indeed the period when armory became firmly established on an
hereditary basis. If on the other hand, the de Vere and Mountfichet
arms had already existed then, it would allow for an early start for
heraldry, although there is little to no (remaining) corroborative
evidence for this.

It is also interesting that despite inheriting probably the greater
part of their lands and thus their position in Scotland, the Drummonds
never quartered the Mountfichet arms. The only family, which
inherited extensive lands at this period, to quarter those arms was
Douglas (Mar), although the broadly contemporary Stewarts, Lindsays
and Leslies (Abernethy) did so soon after but effectively
retrospectively. It was only in the generation which flourished ca
1400x1430 that this became more common, eg the heirs of the senior
Lindsay line (Herries and Colville) quartered Lindsay.

eastwoo...@gmail.com

unread,
Apr 17, 2020, 5:15:23 AM4/17/20
to
Can I email you please regarding the de Montifichet family as they appear to be my 18x plus great grandparents. Kr, Stuart (eastwoo...@gmail.com)
Reply all
Reply to author
Forward
0 new messages