Warren of Ightfield
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anything in print is accurate. But here is the descent as it is usually given:
1. William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, son of Hameline "Plantagenet."
2. Griffin de Warren, illegitimate son, dead 1286, m. Isabel de Pulford, sister
of Robert, rector of Coddington, Cheshire, widow 1286 and 1298.
3. John de Warren, lord of Ightfield jure ux (through marriage), liv. 1289, m.
Audelin, daughter and heir of Griffin de Albo Monasterio/Whitchurch [these
earliest two generations seem kind of suspicious].
4. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Wynifred, d. & coh. of William Broxlon of
Chester.
5. John de Warren of Ightfield, liv. 1314, 1335, m. Ellen, d. of John
Chorleton.
6. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, d. 1356, m. Maud/Matilda, d. of Fulke, Lord
Strange of Blackmere, afterwards married Sir Piers (or Peter) de Cornwall, lord
of Kinlet, Shropshire.
7. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Margaret Corbet, daughter of Sir Piers de
Corbet.
8. John Warren of Ightfield, d. ca. 1413, m. Matilda/ Margaret/ Emma, daughter
of Sir John Cheney of Willaston.
9. Margaret Warren, sister and coheir, m. William Mainwaring, d. 1498/9, had
Ightfield, Shropshire, and Stratton, in Tilston, Cheshire, with lands in
Broxton.
But I don't have Morris's notes to the pedigree so I don't know what further
evidence he uses to estrablish the line.
pcr
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> I haven't checked the following against original sources, so I'm not sure if
> anything in print is accurate. But here is the descent as it is usually given:
>
> 1. William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, son of Hameline "Plantagenet."
>
> 2. Griffin de Warren, illegitimate son, dead 1286, m. Isabel de Pulford, sister
> of Robert, rector of Coddington, Cheshire, widow 1286 and 1298.
Eyton discusses the origin of this family. He concludes that Griffin de
Warren, husband of Isabel de Pulford, was son of William de Warenne als.
de Albo Monasterio als. de Whitchurch, d.c.1240. That William was son
of a Ranulf de Warenne, who Eyton concluded was brother of William de
Warenne and Reginald de Warenne of Wormsgay. (Early Yorkshire Charters
argues that this last affiliation is not correct, that there was an
earlier Ranulf at Whitchurch, and that this earlier Ranulf dates back to
Domesday. He cannot be accurately placed among the family, but based on
use of the names Ranulf and William was likely related to the senior
line.) This Griffin is said by Eyton to have fl. 1240, 1263, 1272.
> 3. John de Warren, lord of Ightfield jure ux (through marriage), liv. 1289, m.
> Audelin, daughter and heir of Griffin de Albo Monasterio/Whitchurch [these
> earliest two generations seem kind of suspicious].
In light of the above, your concern seems warrented - Griffin de Warren
was Griffin de Whitchurch. Eyton gives dates of 1284/5 and 1310 for
John.
> 4. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Wynifred, d. & coh. of William Broxlon of
> Chester.
>
> 5. John de Warren of Ightfield, liv. 1314, 1335, m. Ellen, d. of John
> Chorleton.
>
> 6. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, d. 1356, m. Maud/Matilda, d. of Fulke, Lord
> Strange of Blackmere, afterwards married Sir Piers (or Peter) de Cornwall, lord
> of Kinlet, Shropshire.
Here is where things get a bit confusing. Eyton next mentions a Griffin
in 1356, and I have a note (of unknown source) which says that in 1356
Griffin entails land to his grandson Griffin, son of his son John.
Eyton also says that Griffin's wife was named Elizabeth, but it is
unclear from my notes if this refers to the grandfather or the grandson.
Next I have a Plea Roll pedigree dating to 9/10 Richard II (ca.1386/7)
which reports the following pedigree:
Griffin=Isabel de Pulford temp. Edward II
John
Griffin
John
Griffin - the plaintiff 9/10 Richard II
Now if this hasn't dropped two generations, then the Visitation pedigree
has added two, because the Griffin d. 1356 would have to be the middle
one (if this death date is accurate).
> 7. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Margaret Corbet, daughter of Sir Piers de
> Corbet.
>
> 8. John Warren of Ightfield, d. ca. 1413, m. Matilda/ Margaret/ Emma, daughter
> of Sir John Cheney of Willaston.
The ipm of John, heir of Griffin de Warren reports his death 4 Feb.
1412/3, leaving son and heir Griffin aged 13. Griffin's ipm reports his
death 5 Oct. 1415, heir sister Margaret aged 13. A couple of years
later, her proof of age gave her bapt. 11 Jun. 1401.
> 9. Margaret Warren, sister and coheir, m. William Mainwaring, d. 1498/9, had
> Ightfield, Shropshire, and Stratton, in Tilston, Cheshire, with lands in
> Broxton.
>
> But I don't have Morris's notes to the pedigree so I don't know what further
> evidence he uses to estrablish the line.
I remember at least one of the middle Griffins being named in a Hunt
article discussing a possible descent from princess Joan (and
specifically in relation to the Strange family), but I haven't been able
to find it. All of these wives appear to derive from the Shropshire
Visitation, which is untrustworthy.
taf
G . EDWARD ALLEN
Thanks for the additions and corrections.
Hunt's article is TAG :32.
There is another Warren family in Cheshire, perhaps they have been
grafted.
Kay Allen AG all...@pacbell.net
G . EDWARD ALLEN
> >
> > 6. Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, d. 1356, m. Maud/Matilda, d. of Fulke, Lord
> > Strange of Blackmere, afterwards married Sir Piers (or Peter) de Cornwall, lord
> > of Kinlet, Shropshire.
>
> Here is where things get a bit confusing. Eyton next mentions a Griffin
> in 1356, and I have a note (of unknown source) which says that in 1356
> Griffin entails land to his grandson Griffin, son of his son John.
> Eyton also says that Griffin's wife was named Elizabeth, but it is
> unclear from my notes if this refers to the grandfather or the grandson.
That is Eyton's Antiquities of Shropshire, vol IX(?):210 which gives the
entail. Elizabeth is the wife of Griffin Jr.
TAG 35:32. Kay Allen AG all...@pacbell.net