Medieval Sicilian Genealogy
ABB
middle ages/rennaisance/early modern era? My excellent researcher in
SLC Kathy Kirkpatrick (see her website gentracer.com) has done a great
job extending my known Sicilian lines back to the late 17th early 18th
century and I'm wondering if anyone else has tackled earlier Sicilian
families. So far the more interesting characters uncovered in my lines
were Master Builders living in a small mountain village called
Montemaggiore Belsito 70 km from Palermo just south of Termini Imeresi
on the Northern Coast of the island near San Pellegrino.
Interestingly, so far as has been documented, for two centuries the
family married into other local famillies all within the confines of
this small village of around 3000 people - not surprising given the
circumstances of that period and location but very different from my
American ancestry in the North East of the same period where each
marriage brought with it a family from a different region and of
different ethnic origin. In all, this Sicilian project as been
refreshingly different from the rest of my family tree. I am also
keeping my fingers crossed that perhaps at least one individual in
this growing Sicilian branch of mine might present a gateway to
Sicilian medieval ancestry. As many know, Sicilians are a "mixed
breed" the island having been at the cross roads of Mediterranean
commerce and war fare for millenia - my great grandfather from MB had
interesting features not uncommon to some Sicilians, pale skin, blue
eyes and black hair - quite a difference from his spouse who hailed
from a different part of Sicily, of decidely lower social/economic
status and dark complexioned, more "stereotypical" looking. They
certainly would never have met and married had they not both ended-up
living in NY as expats and neighbors.
Adrian Benjamin Burke
New York City
Tony Hoskins
My only useful (handy) source has been this:
I used it extensively for some of the southern Italian ancestry of my ancestress Jacquette de Luxembourg (c1416-1472), whose mother (del Balzo) and grandmother Orsini)'s lines (and many others) are abundantly covered here. There are I know many Sicilian noble lines included. But, this source is of course secondary and derivative, so caveat emptor.
Tony
J.L.Fernandez Blanco
Unfortunately, sardimpex's site is now restricted ONLY
J.L.Fernandez Blanco
Sorry, hit "enter" before finishing...
I was saying that, unfortunately, sardimpex's site is now restricted
ONLY to Italian nationals living in Italy. Kinda chauvinist, I dare
say.
There is another mirror site: www.genmarenostrum.com, which began
offering free and remarkable genealogies as other free databases, but
now it looks like greediness all caught up with them so they charge
ridiculous amounts to become full member, and, for the most part, the
genealogies are an exact copy of those originally published by
sardimpex (Davide Sham'a). It's a pity Italians have become so
niggardly sharing data.
Regards,
JL
ABB
thanks for the info!
Janko Pavsic
Even if I do not know the social statute of your Sicilian ancestors,
the following book (in french) could be helpfull...
Gérard Delille - Famille et propriété dans le royaume de Naples (XVe-
XIXe siècle) - École française de Rome - Rome et Paris, 1985. First
civil registers in the Kingdom of Sicily starts in the mid XIIIth
century but few of those still exists. I also have some Italians
ancestors, but in the area of Trieste (middle class). I can trace them
up to the end of XVth. If you are lucky, you can expect same.
Regards...
Janko Pavsic
Montréal
John Dobson
I own a copy of Genealogie medioevali di Sardegna, ed. Lindsay L.
Brook, Francesco C. Casula; et al. (1984), which I don't think has been
mentioned earlier in this thread. I'd be glad to check it for the names
in which you're interested, but not surprisingly it only covers
aristocratic families.
Best wishes,
John
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Regards...
Janko Pavsic
Montréal
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mentioned is of course about Sardinia, not Sicily, and thus irrelevant.
I shall try to read more carefully in the future!
John Blythe Dobson
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Hi Adrian,
I own a copy of Genealogie medioevali di Sardegna, ed. Lindsay L.
Brook, Francesco C. Casula; et al. (1984), which I don't think has
been
mentioned earlier in this thread. I'd be glad to check it for the
names
in which you're interested, but not surprisingly it only covers
aristocratic families.
Best wishes,
John
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Regards...
Janko Pavsic
Montréal
ABB
> My apologies to everyone who has been following this thread. The book I
> mentioned is of course about Sardinia, not Sicily, and thus irrelevant.
> I shall try to read more carefully in the future!
>
> John Blythe Dobson
>
>
> Hi Adrian,
>
> I own a copy of Genealogie medioevali di Sardegna, ed. Lindsay L.
> Brook, Francesco C. Casula; et al. (1984), which I don't think has
> been
> mentioned earlier in this thread. I'd be glad to check it for the
> names
> in which you're interested, but not surprisingly it only covers
> aristocratic families.
>
> Best wishes,
> John
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No problem John - all those similar sounding italian islands can get
confusing at times! no problem. I WISH I had sardinian ancestry...they
had an amazing ancient culture that is to this day little known of off-
island, even in Italy.
ABB
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Hi thanks I was not aware of this book. I would be very happy to trace
some of my lines back to the late 15th century - I would be happy even
with early 17th century actually! I suspect that if I am lucky,
perhaps one of the wives in my family tree came from a family of minor
nobility and thus it would be possible to trace that line back to the
late middle ages...but at this point I'm still waiting for more
results, the earliest found so far are late 17th century - but the
predominance of "Master" craftsmen suggests that perhaps one of these
wealthy artisans married a younger daughter of a local gentryman....I
shall update this post if I or when (I hope) more info is found.
ABB
John Dobson
Just let me know if you ever need a lookup. The book isn't easy to
find, and was quite expensive, so I'm glad to share.
John
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antoine barbry
I've digged into Middle ages' Sicilia for the past two years and, to my
knowledge, the most thorough, comprehensive and reliable work on early Middle
Ages for this region is the "Repertorio della feudalita siciliana 1282-1390" by
Antonino Marrone. His work is fully downloadable at
http://www.storiamediterranea.it/darts_md1_page.php?p=idl&idlibro=45
But of course, one needs to get to 1390 first...
For the history of the island, many of the most knowledgeable experts are
actually French. I can give you a few names if you are interested at a later
stage.
www.genmarenostrum.com provides of course useful help for the later period.
However, one needs to be aware of the context in which this website was
created... You can check the archives of the mailing list if you wish...
Best regards,
Antoine Barbry
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