Randolph
ED MANN
>
> I wonder if we are looking at the same Randolphs.
>
> The Randolphs of Virginia, who were very active in colonial politics, can be
> traced back to King Edward the III:
>
> Edward III
> John of Gaunt = Katherine Roet
> Ralf Neville Earl of Westmoreland = Joan Beuafort Plantagenet
> Edward Neville = Catherine Howard
> Robert Tanfield = Catherine Neville
> William Tanfield = Isabelle Stavely
> Francis Tanfield = Briget Cave
> Clement Vincent = Ann Tanfield
> Richare Lane = Elizabeth Vincent
> William Randolph 1571.1660 = Dorathy Lane
>
> William's father was Robert Randolph born in Sussex, died in 1602 = Rose
> Roberts
> Robert's father was John Randall = Johan Webb (Note the name change from
> Randall or possibly Randoll, to Randolph)
> Robert's father was John Randall died in 1522.
>
> This is as far back as I have with the Randolph, Randall Randoll name.
>
> Is this the same family that you say is connected to Robert the Bruce ?
> Could you provide the cocnnecitons ?
Both lines I have are through Dorothy Lane:
1 King Edward III of England b: 13 Nov 1312 d: 21 Jun 1377 ref #:
F229:12
+Philippa de Hainault b: 24 Jun 1311 d: 15 Aug 1369 ref #:
Ä103-34
2 [1] Sir John of Gaunt aka: John Plantagenet b: Mar 1339/40 d: 3 Feb
1398/99 ref #: F15:11
*2nd Wife of [1] Sir John of Gaunt:
*3rd Wife of [1] Sir John of Gaunt:
+Katherine Röet aka: Katherine Swynford b: 1350 d: 10 May 1403
3 [2] Joan Beaufort b: Abt. 1379 d: 13 Nov 1440 ref #: F15:11iv
*2nd Husband of [2] Joan Beaufort:
+Sir Ralph de Neville aka: 1st Earl of Westmorland b: Abt. 1364 d:
21 Oct 1425 ref #: W45-7
4 [3] Sir Edward Neville aka: Baron Bergavenny b: Abt. 1417 d: 18 Oct
1476 ref #: F15:11ive
*2nd Wife of [3] Sir Edward Neville:
+Katherine Howard b: Abt. 1414 d: Aft. 1478 ref #: F197:8ii
5 [6] Katherine Neville ref #: F197:8iib
+[5] Robert Tanfield b: Abt. 1461 ref #: F235:7
6 William Tanfield b: Abt. 1489 d: 6 Apr 1529 ref #: F236:6
+Isabel Stavely
7 Francis Tanfield b: Abt. 1508 d: 21 Nov 1558 ref #: F236:5
+Bridget Cave d: 20 Jun 1583
8 Anne Tanfield ref #: F236:4
+Clement Vincent
9 Elizabeth Vincent ref #: F236:3
+Richard Lane ref #: AAP3:98
10 Dorothy Lane b: Bef. 4 Sep 1589 ref #: F236:2
2 [7] Edmund Plantagenet aka: 1st Duke of York b: 5 Jun 1344 d: 1 Aug
1402 ref #: F291:9
+Isabella de Castile b: 1355 d: 23 Nov 1393 ref #: BRF:109
3 [4] Constance Plantagenet b: Abt. 1374 d: 29 Nov 1416 ref #:
F210:8
*2nd Husband of [4] Constance Plantagenet:
+Sir Edmund de Holand aka: Earl of Kent b: 6 Jan 1382/83 d: 15 Sep
1408 ref #: F140:8i
4 Alianor Holand b: Abt. 1405
+Sir James Tuchet aka: 5th Lord Audley b: Abt. 1398 d: 23 Sep 1459
ref #: W12-11
5 Elizabeth Tuchet ref #: F270:9ii
+Sir Edward Brooke aka: 6th Lord Cobham d: Bef. 1464 ref #:
F287:6
6 Elizabeth Brooke d: 1525 ref #: F235:8
+Robert Tanfield d: 22 Feb 1483/84
7 [5] Robert Tanfield b: Abt. 1461 ref #: F235:7
+[6] Katherine Neville ref #: F197:8iib
*2nd Wife of [7] Edmund Plantagenet:
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FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Ś = Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
ED MANN
>
> In a message dated 6/8/99 6:53:58 PM Central Daylight Time,
> EDL...@MAIL2.LCIA.COM writes:
>
> << 5 Elizabeth Tuchet ref #:
> F270:9ii
> +Sir Edward Brooke aka: 6th Lord Cobham d:
> Bef. 1464 ref #:
> F287:6 >>
>
> you have anything on his ancestry?
Direct Descendants of Edward I of England
1 [3] King Edward I of England aka: "Longshanks" b: 17 Jun 1239 d:
1307 ref #: BRF:81
+Princess Alianore de Castile b: 1240 d: 28 Nov 1290 ref #: Ä110-30
2 [1] Elizabeth Plantagenet b: 7 Aug 1282 d: 5 May 1316 ref #:
F24:12
*2nd Husband of [1] Elizabeth Plantagenet:
+Sir Humphrey de Bohun VIII aka: 4th Earl of Hereford & Essex b:
Abt. 1276 d: 16 Mar 1321/22 ref #: W18-5
3 Margaret de Bohun b: 3 Apr 1311 d: 16 Dec 1391 ref #: F72:10
+Sir Hugh de Courtenay aka: K.G. / 2d Earl of Devon b: 12 Jul 1303
d: 2 May 1377 ref #: W126-5
4 Margaret de Courtenay d: 2 Aug 1385 ref #: F286:10
+Sir John de Cobham aka: 3d Lord Cobham d: 10 Jan 1407/08 ref #:
BxP:125
5 Joan Cobham d: Abt. 1388 ref #: F286:9
+John de la Pole ref #: BxP:440
6 [2] Joan de la Pole d: 13 Jan 1433/34 ref #: F286:8
*2nd Husband of [2] Joan de la Pole:
+Reynold Braybrooke b: Abt. 1356 d: 20 Sep 1405
7 Joan Braybrooke b: Abt. 1404 d: 24 Nov 1442 ref #: F287:7
+Sir Thomas Broke aka: Knt. b: Abt. 1392 d: 12 Aug 1439 ref #:
BxP:76
8 Sir Edward Brooke aka: 6th Lord Cobham d: Bef. 1464 ref #: F287:6
DavidBotts
From my notes for John Cobham (from Plantagenet Ancestry...)
AKA John de Cobham
AKA Johanni de Cobeham (de Kent)
3rd Lord Cobham
Married when a minor and very young
Impeached at Shrewsbury in Januaary 1397/8 and condemned to hang, but pardoned
on condition of banishment to Jersey. Returned in two years under King Henry
IV
Buried at Grey Friars', London, England
Cobham Church has a contemporary brass of him holding the church in his hand
Dave
Robert O'Connor
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THOMAS BROOKE, of Brooke Ilchester, Somerset, & Holditch, Devon., M
Constance Markenfield. Died 1367. He had issue: HoP, 1386-1421, II, p 377
Sir THOMAS BROOKE, Kt., M.P., J.P., of Holditch & Weycroft, Devon., Born
1355. M Joan (Died 10 April 1437), d. of Simon Hanham, of Glouc., & widow
of Robert Cheddar, M.P. Commissioner to Requisition Ships, Bristol, March
1385. Knighted before 1386. Various other Royal Commissions, 1389 to
1410. Member of Parliament for Somerset, 1386, 1388, 1391, 1393, 1395,
1397, 1399, 1402, 1404, 1407, 1410 & 1413. Justice of the Peace for
Somerset, 15 July 1389 to Nov. 1417, for Devon, 26 Jan. 1394 to July 1397,
& for Dorset, 26 Nov. 1404 to 1417. High Sheriff of Somerset & Dorset, 15
Nov. 1389 to 7 Nov. 1390. High Sheriff of Devon, 13 Nov. 1393 to 11 Nov.
1394. Will dated 25 May 1415. Died 23 or 24 Jan. 1418. He had issue:
HoP, 1386-1421, II, p 377
Sir THOMAS BROOKE, Kt., M.P., J.P., of Brooke, Somerset, & of Holditch,
Devon., Born c. 1391. M 1410 Joan, suo jure 5th Baroness Cobham (Died 24
Nov. 1442), d. of Sir Reynold Braybrooke, Kt., M.P., of Cooling Castle &
Cobham, Kent, & his wife Joan de la Pole, 4th Baroness Cobham (See
BRAYBROOKE). Member of Parliament for Dorset, 1413, & for Somerset, 1417,
1421, 1422 & 1427. Knighted 1418. Commissioner of Array for Devon, June
1421. Appointed to various Royal Commissions, 1421to 1425. Justice of the
Peace for Somerset, 12 Feb. 1422 to Feb. 1433, & for Devon, 20 July 1431 to
1439. High Sheriff of Devon, 6 Nov. 1424 to 15 Jan. 1426. Tax Assessor
for Devon, Jan. 1436. Will dated 12 Feb. 1439. Died 12 Aug. 1439. He had
issue: CP, III, p 346 HoP , 1386-1421, II, p 375 Faris, p 287
EDWARD BROOKE, 6th BARON COBHAM., Member of Parliament for Somerset, 1442.
Summoned to Parliament, by right of his maternal descent, as Baron Cobham,
13 Jan. 1444/5 to 28 Feb. 1462/3. He was a staunch Yorkist, fought at the
Battle of St. Albans, 23 May 1455. & was at the Battle of Northampton, 10
July 1460. M Elizabeth, d. of James Tuchet, 5th Baron Audley, & his 2nd
wife Eleanor, illegit. d. Edmund Holand, 4th Earl of Kent, & his mistress
Constance of York (See TUCHET). Died 6 June 1464. He had issue: Burke's
P, 1970, p 591 CP, III, p 346 Faris, pp 270 & 287
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INGEBARD de BRAYBROOKE., M Albreda, d. of Ivo Newmarch, Lord of
Braybrooke. He had issue: Foss, p 118
ROBERT de BRAYBROOKE., of Braybrooke, Northants., Sheriff of Beds. &
Bucks., 1198-1214. Sheriff of Northants., 1209-1214. Sheriff of Rutland,
1211-1214. His name appears as one of the Justiciars, 1200 & 1207.
Received by grant from King John the manor of Coreby, Northants., 1206.
Dugdale records that he was master of King John's wardrobe & a member of
the King's council. Died 1214. He had issue: Foss, pp 118-9 Clutterbuck,
III, p 58
Sir HENRY de BRAYBROOKE, Kt., of Braybrooke, Northants., In 1214 he joined
the Barons in opposition to King John, & took such part in such rebellion
that his lands were seized. However after Louis of France retired he
returned his allegiance to the Crown and in 1217 his lands were restored to
him. Appointed one of the Justices itinerant for Bucks. & Beds., 1224. In
his judicial capacity he levied a fine on Faukes de Breaute, who
consequently rebelled together with the garrison of Bedford Castle & took
him prisoner. He was only released after Bedford Castle was besieged by
King Henry III. M Christina (she M 2nd Gerard de Furnival, d 1241/2, & M
3rd Thomas de Grelley. She Died 1271), d. of Wischard Ledet, d 1221, & his
wife Margaret, d. of Robert Foliot, Lord of Chipping Warden, Northants.
Died before June 1234. He had issue: Foss, p 119 Clutterbuck, III, p 58
Sanders, p 33 Burke's EP, p 219
1.GERARD, of whom we presently.
2.Walter, Lord of Chipping Warden, Northants., He adopted his mother's
surname 'Ledet'. M Ermentrude. He had issue: Sanders, p 33
GERARD de BRAYBROOKE., M Lora. He had issue:
JOHN de BRAYBROOKE., Living 1276. M Joan. He had issue: Foss, p 119
Sir GERARD BRAYBROOKE, Kt., M.P., of Colmworth, Beds. & Horsenden, Bucks.,
Member of Parliament for Bedfordshire. M Laura Wake, of the family of the
Barons Wake (See WAKE). Died c. 1326. He had issue: HoP, 1386-1421, II, p
344
Sir GERARD BRAYBROOKE, Kt., M.P., of Colmworth, Beds. & Horsenden, Bucks.,
M Isabel, d. of Sir Reginald Hampden, Kt., of Great Hampden, Bucks., & his
wife Nichola, d. of John de Grenville, of Wotton, Bucks. (See HAMPDEN).
Member of Parliament for Bedfordshire. He fought at the Battle of Crecy in
the Black Prince's Division, 1346. Died 17 March 1359. He had issue:
HoP, 1386-1421, II, pp 343-4 Clutterbuck, III, p 58
1.GERARD (Sir), Kt., M.P., of whom we presently.
2.Robert, Bishop of London., Dean of Salisbury, 1380. Secretary to King
Richard II, 1377-1381. Appointed Bishop of London, 9 Sept. 1381, in which
office he performed the marriage ceremony of King Richard II to Anne of
Bohemia. Lord Chancellor of England, 9 Sept. 1382 to 10 March 1383.
Attempted to reconcile the King with Thomas of Woodstock, Duke of
Gloucester. Sailed to Ireland with King Richard II, Sept. 1394. Died 27
Aug. 1404. Foss, p 119 HoP, 1386-1421, II, p 344
3.Joan, M – Thirning (d 1413).
Sir GERARD BRAYBROOKE, Kt., M.P., of Colmworth, Beds. & Horsenden, Bucks.,
Born c. 1332. M 1st before Easter 1350 Margaret, d. & heir of John
Longueville, M.P., of Orton Longueville, Hunts. (See LONGUEVILLE). M 2nd
c. May 1369 Isabel (She M 1st Sir Thomas Shirley, M.P., of Lower Ettington,
Warw. - See SHIRLEY – She Died 25 April 1393), natural d. of Ralph, 2nd
Baron Basset, of Drayton, Staffs. (See BASSET). He joined the entourage of
the Black Prince as an esquire, serving both in the Gascon expedition,
1355-7, which culminated in the Battle of Poitiers, & on a subsequent
campaign in 1359. Knighted before May 1361. Commissioner for Oyer &
Terminer for Beds., Feb. 1363 & June 1371. Appointed to various other
Royal Commissions, 1371 to 1402. Member of Parliament for Beds., 1377 &
1390. Died 1 Feb. 1402/3. He had issue by his 1st wife: HoP, 1386-1421,
II, pp 343-6, III, p 277 & IV, p 1386 Faris, p 286
1.Gerard (Sir), Kt., M.P., of Colmworth, Beds. & Horsenden, Bucks., Born
before 1354. M 1st Eleanor (Died 24 Dec. 1389), d. of Amauri, 4th Baron
St. Amand. M 2nd by June 1391 Elizabeth. Knighted before June 1380.
Appointed to various Royal Commissions, 1382 to 1422. Member of Parliament
for Beds., 1388 & 1399, & for Essex, 1402 & 1417. Keeper of Salcey Forest,
Northants., 20 Oct. 1391. Constable of Pleshey Castle, Essex, Oct. 1399 to
June 1400. Sheriff of Essex & Herts., 5 Nov. 1406 to 30 Nov. 1407. Will
dated 12 March 1428. Will Proved 11 July 1429. He had issue: HoP,
1386-1421, II, pp 346-9 Payling, p 37 Burke's EP, p 464
2.REYNOLD (Sir), Kt., M.P., of whom we presently.
Sir REYNOLD BRAYBROOKE, Kt., M.P., of Cooling Castle & Cobham, Kent, &
Castle Ashby & Chadstone, Northants., Born c. 1356. By Sept. 1382 he was
acting as Marshall of the Household of his uncle, Robert Braybrooke, Bishop
of London. Appointed Keeper of Salcey Forest, Northants., 13 Oct. 1389.
Knighted between Oct. 1389 & Aug. 1390. Commissioner for Array, Kent, Jan.
1400, July 1402 & Aug. 1403. Justice of the Peace for Kent from 16 May
1401. Member of Parliament for Kent, 1404. Served at sea against the
French, 1404. He sailed with Thomas of Lancaster to Flanders, May 1405,
where during an unsuccessful attack on the citadel of Sluys he received a
fatal wound. He was carried to Middleburg where he lingered for four
months & where he died. M 1391 Joan, 4th Baroness Cobham (Died 13 Jan.
1434), d. & heir of Sir John de la Pole, Kt., of Chrishall, Essex & Castle
Ashby, Northants., & his wife Joan, d. of John, 3rd Baron Cobham (See POLE
of SUFFOLK). Died 20 Sept. 1405. He had issue: HoP, 1386-1421, II, pp
349-50. Burke's P, 1972, p 591. CP, III, p 345 Faris, p 286
JOAN BRAYBROOKE, 5th BARONESS COBHAM., M Sir THOMAS BROOKE, Kt., M.P., of
Brooke, Somerset (d 1439). Died 25 Nov. 1442. Inq. P.M., 28 Oct. 1443.
She had issue: (See BROOKE) CP, III, p 346 Faris, p 287 Inq PM