Hungarian Ancestors for Prince Charles

[Leo van de Pas]

After a lifes time of work, in 1977 appeared the two huge books on the ancestors of Prince Charles, Prince of Wales. I believe Gerald Paget was then in his 90s and the publication was only possible with the co-operation of A. C. Addington.

I am one of those fortunate people who has these two volumes.
I wonder whether others agree with me that the Hungarian ancestors seems to have been cut in geneation K, after that those Hungarian ancestors of Queen Mary no longer appear.

Sadly, in the 1976 edition of the Freiherrliche Haeuser at least one of these lines, Banffy de Losoncz, is shown till about 1200.

I have made an attachment containing those details. If anyone is interested let me know.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas

[John Higgins]

Leo:

I, too, am lucky enough to have a copy of Paget's work - courtesy of
Heraldry Today. The ancestry of Queen Mary's grandmother, Countess Claudine
Rhédey de Kís-Rhéde, doesn't entirely stop at generation K - it goes on
(although incomplete) through generations L and M. Gary Boyd Roberts, in a
review of Paget's work in The Genealogist in 1980, noted that it's possible
to carry this ancestry further back beyond M with some interesting results -
including most notably a link to the family of Dracula. I'm glad you've put
this together - I'd appreciate a copy.

John Higgins
jthi...@surfree.com

[Laszlo Rhedey]

I also would be interested to see what you have put together.

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[Renia]

I have no idea which particular pedigree is being discussed here, but from
"Royal Highness, Ancestry of the Royal Child" by Sir Iain Moncreiffe of that
Ilk, Bt, Hamish Hamilton, London, 1982 (published shortly before the birth of
Prince William), the following two tables might be of interest:

Table 32 (ROMANIA: VALACHIA, House of Basarab)
BASARAB, Voivode of Valachia (prob son of Toktemir, gt-grandson of Juchi, son of
Genghis Khan)
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ALEXANDER I, Voivode of Valachia, d 1360
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RADU I the Black, Voivode of Valachia 1372-83 (bro of Voivode Vlad I, 1360-72)
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MIRCEA the old, Voivode of Valachia & Despot of the Dobrudja, d 1418
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VLAD II Dracul 'the Dragon', Voivode of Valachia, 1430-46, Granted Order of the
Dragon by Emp Sigismund
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Voivode VLAD IV the Mond, d 1507 (natural bro of Voivode Vlad Dracula the
Impaler, who was slain 1476)
|
RADU IV the Great, Voivode of Valachia 1495-1508
|
MIRCEA III the Shepherd, Voivode of Valachia, d 1560, mar Chiaina, dau of Peter
III of Moldavia
|
STANCA Basarab of Valachia (sister of Voivodes Alexander II d 1577; & peter II
who also ruled Modavia) mar John Norcocza, Logofat of Pitesti, Great Chancellor
of Valachia 1589, d a refugee in Transylvania 1599
|
ZAMPHIRA Logofat de Szaszebes, dc 1602, mar Peter Racz de Galgo, Ambasador of
Transylvania & Poland to Sublime Porte (Turkey) 1571-83
|
ADAM Racz de Galgo, living 1609, Transylvanian noble
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PETER Racz de Galgo, living 1672, Transylvanian noble
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CHRISTINA Racz de Galgo, m Nicholas Kuun de Osdola
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CATHERINE Kuun de Osdola, mar Caspar Kendeffy de Malomviz
|
AGNES Kendeffy de Malomviz, mar George Baron Inczedy de Nagy-Varad
|
GREGOR, Baron Inczedy de Nagy-Varad, d 1816
|
Baroness AGNES Inczedy de Nagy-Varad, d 1856, mar Laszlo, Count Rhedey de
Kis-Rhede, d 1835
|
Countess CLAUDINE Rhedey de Kis-Rhede, created Countess von Hohenstein, d of
fall from horse 1841, mar Duke Alexander of Wurttemberg, Austrian General of
Cavalry, d 1885
|
FRANCIS, Duke of Teck, GCB, d 1900, mar Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge
|
Princess MARY of Teck, Queen Consort of Great Britain, d 1953, mar George V,
King of Great Britain, Emp of India, d 1936
|
GEORGE VI
|
ELIZ
|
CHARLES

Table 22 (HUNGARY: Arads, Khazars, Cumans)
ALMOS, chosen as best of the 7 Magyar nomad princes
|
ARPAD, Duke of the Magyars, d 907
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ZSOLTNA, Duke of Hungary, d 947
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TAKSONY, Duke of Hungary D 972
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MICHAEL, Magyar prince
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VASZOLY, pagan Magyar prince blinded by K.Stephen before 1038
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BELA I, King of Hungary 1061-3
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GEYTSA I, King of Hungary 1074-77
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ALMOS, Duke of Croation, d 1129
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BELA II, blind King of Hungary 1131-41
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GEYSA II, King of Hungary 1141-61
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BELA III, King of Hungary 1173-96, m Agnes, dau of Renaud of Chatillon (beh by
Saladin in person 1187)
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ANDREW II, King of Hungary 1205-35
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BELA IV, King of Hungary 1235-70
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STEPHEN V, King of Hungary 1270-72, m Elisabeth, bapt dau of Kutyen, Khan of the
Kuns (Cumans)
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MARY of Hungary, Queen of Naples, d 1323 (sister of Ladislas IV, K of Hungary
1272-90) m Charles II, King of Naples, d 1309
|
BIANCA of Naples, Queen of Aragon d 1310 (aunt of Carobert, K of Hungary
1310-42), mar James II, K of Sicily 1285-96, K of Aragon 1291-1327
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ALFONSO IV, King of Aragon 1327-36
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PEDRO IV, King of Aragon 1336-36
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ELEANOR of Aragon, Queen of Castile, d 1382, mar John I, King of Castile 1379-90

|
HENRY III, King of Castile 1390-1406
|
JOHN ii, King of Castile 1406-54

Hope this helps (and hope there's no typos!)

Renia

[Leo van de Pas]

Dear Renia,
I think I was not correct enough because there were some Hungarian lines
that would link back further. It was a generalisation because in one part
(most of Mary of Tecks) it was almost as though a knife had gone through it.
In a Freiherrliche Haeuser I found how the Banffy de Losoncz could be
continued to about 1200. I wanted it to be known to more people, who do not
have access to that one specific Freiherrliche Haeuser 1976B. I own that
book by Moncreiffe of That Ilk. There are also other lines touching Hungary
but it is this ignored Banffy de Losoncz line I wanted to share.

Best wishes
Leo van de Pas

[P A MagLOCHLAINN]

With a name like yours, Laszlo, I'm not surprised. Surely at least one of
Prince Charles's ancestors bears a remarkably similar name? Would you by
any chance be cousins?

I would also love to learn more about Charles's Hungarian ancestry.

P A MagLOCHLAINN
in Belfast, Northern Ireland
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