Children of Sir John SULYARD Chief Justice of England
Louise Staley
I have been trailing through the archives looking for information
about the children of Sir John Sulyard (Sulliard) and came across what
may be conflicting information.
Robert O'Connor on 26 August 1999 Subject: Sir John Sulyard
Sir John Sulyard, Kt., of Weston, Norfolk., Admitted to Lincoln's
Inn.
Appointed Serjeant-at-law. Appointed a Judge of the Court of King's
Bench,
22 Oct. 1484. Lord Chief Justice of England. M 1st Anne, d. of John
Hungate. M 2nd Anne, d. of John Andrews, of Bayleham, Suffolk, & his
wife
Elizabeth Stratton (See COURTENAY). Died 18 March 1488. Bur.
Wetherden
Church. He had issue by his 2nd wife: Faris, p 174 Foss, p 644-5
Weis, p 16
1.Edward Sulyard, Admitted to Lincoln's Inn, 1477.
2.Elizabeth Sulyard, M Sir Edward Baynton, Kt., of Bromham, Wilts. (He
was
Vice Chamberlain to three of Henry VIII's Queens, Anne Boleyn, Jane
Seymour
& Anne of Cleves, & was present at the marriage of the King to
Katherine
Parr. Died 27 Nov. 1544) (See ECHYNGHAM). She had issue: Faris, pp 11
& 174
3.Anne Sulyard, M Roger Appleton, of Dartford, Kent. She had issue:
Faris, p 272
Don McArthur on 16 April 2000 Subject: KNAPP, Eliz b Suffolk c 1570
22 John GARNEYS d 11 Jun 1524 of Kenton
23 Elizabeth SULYARD d 2 Apr 1539 bur Badley
44 Thomas GARNEYS Esq., of Kenton, m bef 3 Sep 1451, d 12 Dec
1458
45 Margaret FRANCEYS [dau & coh] d 3 Jun 1492
46 John SULYARD, Kt., 1484 Chief Justice of England d 18 Mar 1488
of
Wetherden
47 Agnes HUNGATE, of YKS
citing the Visitations and Muskett's SFK Manorial Families
Adrian Channing 12 August 2001 Subject: Brownes, (Lord) mayors of
London
Thomas, brother of these Tirrel sisters, m Margaret d of Sir John
Sulyard
of Wetherdon, Suffolk. She m2 Sir Anthony Browne of Essex, another
Browne
family for which I also have quite a few generations - but from
Burke's I
think.
From the above, we have three children of Sir John Sulyard and Anne
Hungate, Edward, Elizabeth and Anne and a fourth daughter of Sir John,
Margaret whose mother is not disclosed. However, Faris says Elizabeth
married Sir Edward Baynton while the Visitation has her marrying John
Garneys. Did she marry twice, first to John Garneys and then to Edward
Baynton? Or is this a different Elizabeth? And where does Margaret fit
in? Is she the daughter of this Sir John Sulyard or another one and
who is her mother?
regards
Louise
Louise Staley
Louise Staley
I have now had a look at Testamenta Vetusta where the will of Lady
Elizabeth Andrews appears. She was the mother of Anne Andrews, the
second wife of Sir John Sulyard. In that will (dated 18 October 1474)
she mentions various Sulyards:
"the residue of my goods, &c. after the payment of my debts, &c. I
bequeath to my two daughters, Elizabeth, the wife of Thomas Wyndesore,
and Anne, the wife of John Suliarde. And I make and ordain my
executors John Suliarde, Thomas Wyndesore, Elizabeth and Ann their
wives..."
"to my daughter Anne a crimson gown single, and a furr of grey, and a
single gown of velvett and furr of white; to Andrew Suliard a pair of
beads of gold; to Ann Suliard, my daughter's daughter, a girdle of
green, harnessed with silver ..."
I have also had another look at Faris PA2 (Baynton:3 and Ludlow:7)
which mention the daughter Anne who married Roger Appleton and the
daughter Elizabeth (II) who married Edward Baynton and states that
John Sulyard and Anne Andrews had two sons and three daughters.
From the above, it appears that Edward and Elizabeth (I) were the
children of Agnes (Anne) Hungate, while Anne, Elizabeth (II), another
2 unnamed sons and another unnamed daughter were the children of Anne
Andrews. I don't think the Andrew mentioned in the will is a son, I
suspect he is John Sulyard's brother. From the will it is possible
that only Anne was born by the time her grandmother died, although it
may be that she was the only one old enough to leave adult clothing
to.
From A2A there are a few more clues:
FILE - Deed of Release - ref. Hare 875 190 x 2 - date: 1515
Andrew Sulyard, Esq., John Vavasour of Kyrkeby super Wharff (York),
Esq., John Sulyard, Esq., John Bagard and John Flegge at request of
Sir Andrew Wyndesore, Kt. to Guy Palmes, Seriant at law and William
Duffeld
FILE - Lady Francys Jernegan - ref. JER/333, 55 x 2 - date: 1574 or
1575
Sir John Sulyard, outlining the verdict of the Master of the Rolls in
a dispute re the wardship of Elizabeth Garneyes, and reminding her of
her promise to share the costs involved, 25 January. (Historical
Manuscripts Commission reference 44)
This is now where I am with the children of Sir John Sulyard.
1-Sir John Sulyard Chief Justice of England
born: 1420, Wetherden, SFK, ENG
died: 18 Mar 1488
+Agnes Hungate of Yorkshire
died: Bef 1463
...2-Elizabeth Sulyard (I)
died: 2 Apr 1539, (Badley, SFK, ENG)
+John Garneys of Kenton Hall, SFK
born: Abt 1444 (aged 48 in 1492)
died: 11 Jun 1524
.........3-Alice Garneys
...2-Edward Sulyard (Lincoln's Inn 1477)
born: Abt 1461
died: 1516, (High Laver, ESS, ENG)
+Anne Norries
died: 1531
+Anne Andrews co-heiress (2nd wife of John Sulyard)
born: 1432
died: 25 Jul 1520, Wetherden, SFK, ENG
...2-Anne Sulyard
+Roger Appleton
...2-Elizabeth Sulyard (II)
+Sir Edward Baynton Knt., of Bromham, Wilts.
born: Abt 1480
died: 27 Nov 1544, France
...2-Son Sulyard
...2-Daughter Sulyard
...2-Son Sulyard
Louise
Reedpcgen
Let me post in abbreviated form what the annotated version of the Visitation of
Suffolk, 1561, says about the children of Sir John Sulyard, Lord Chief Justice
of the Common Pleas [HS new series, with good documentation].
Sir John Sulyard, by his first wife, Agnes Hungate, had:
(1) Edward, ahed 28 in 1488/9, brass at High Laver.
(2) Elizabeth, m. John Garneys, brass in Kenton, wer will proved 1539, PCC 13
Crumwell.
Issue by second wife, Anne Andrews,
(3) Andrew, granted land, etc., in Weston, Norfolk, by his mother 8 Aug.
1493/4, being about to marry his wife.
(4) John.
(5) Anne, m. Roger Appleton.
(6) Alice, m. Sir William Rous (of Dennington).
(7) Elizabeth, m. Sir Edward Bainton.
The original visitation reads:
"Sir John Sulyard knyght Lorde cheyfe Justyce of England ... maryed to his
first wyfe Agnes Daugter and heyre of Hungatt of [blank] in the counte of Yorke
esquyre & by her had yssu Edward Sulyard sonne and heyre and Elizabeth Sulyard
maryed to John Garnyshe of kenton in the counte of Suffolke esquyre.
"After the sayde Sir John ... maryed to his second Wyfe Anne Daughter and one
of theyres of John Andrewes of Baylam in the counte of Suff esquyre and by her
had yssu Andrew Sulyard [struck through: second Sonne] John Sulyard third sonne
Anne maryed to Roger Apulton of Dertford in the counte of kent esquyre Alys
maryed to Sir Wyllyam Rowse of Denyngton in the counte of Suff knyght Elizabeth
maryed to Sr Edward Beynton of Bromham in the counte of Wyltshyre knyght."
Paul
iain wallace
"Louise Staley" <car...@bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
news:9wXYa.21711$bo1....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> I got the formatting wrong so here it is again.
>
> Dear Group,
>
> I have been trailing through the archives looking for information
> about the children of Sir John Sulyard (Sulliard) and came across what
> may be conflicting information.
>
> 3.Anne Sulyard, M Roger Appleton, of Dartford, Kent. She had issue:
> Faris, p 272
Just a couple of points on the children of Anne Sulyard:
Regarding Elizabeth Apiltun (or Appleton) who married Henry Elham of Elham
in Crayford, there is a possible, though unproven, descent to the Harman
family of Crayford, discussed on this group in a recent thread "Spurious
bastard child of King Edward IV?"
Regarding Henry Apilton (or Apulton, Appleton) who married Margaret Roper;
by their son Roger they had a grandson William whose marriage or marriages
have been the subject of some doubt, with Mary Fisher perhaps being a second
wife in sucession to another Mary who died three months before their
marriage. I recently went over the Crayford registers in some detail. It
appears that around the time of the marriage of Mary Fisher and William
Appleton the registers were not written up regularly. Subsequently blocks of
baptisms, marriages and burials were entered in the register. As far as I
can tell, the history of Mary Fisher is:-
Baptised 17/8/1561, Crayford (d. of Thomas Fisher and Jane Fowler)
Married William Appleton 22/5/1581, Crayford.
Buried 6/2/1581-2, Crayford. (as Maria Appleton wife of Willm Appleton
gent.)
So the apparent two wives called Mary were one and the same person, the
burial and marriage entries being out of order and the matter not helped by
the old style dates.
Ian.