Tellez de Meneses family
maria emma escobar
"And - how about the origin of the Teles de Meneses?
As
I said, my family name oscillated between Meneses
Doria and Costa Doria; the Meneses connection is
through the Monizes Barretos de Meneses, through the
Dias de Meneses family, and through a bastard line of
the Teles da Silva e Meneses."
On the origin of the family Téllez de Meneses is
better to forget the famous
Pedro Bernardo or Bernardez. No personage of
importance with that name neither as origin of the
Téllez family nor like origin of the Bernaldo de
Quirós existed. The origin of the name of Meneses
comes from a small town called thus in ,"Tierra de
Campos" near Valladolid, probably founded by
emigrants of the Valley of Mena, in the north of
Castile, emigrated by its fights with Fernán González.
That town was the center of the possessions of the
Téllez de Meneses.
Almost all the authors accept like origin of the
family the marriage formed by Tello Perez and
Gontrodo García (married in 1.161) and to its
children Alfonso, García, Tello, Suero and Teresa.
1 Alfonso,( Garcia , Suero, Tello and Teresa)
2 Tello Pérez
3 Gontrodo Garcia (married 1.161)
4 Pedro Martinez
6 García Perez
7 Teresa Pérez (with his husband, founders of Gradefes
monastery)
8 Martín Pérez de Tordesillas (second husband of:
9 Mayor Pérez
12 Pedro Martínez
13 María Gómez
18 Pedro Ansúrez
19 Elo Alfonso
24 Martín Flainiz
25 Sancha Fernández
36 Assur. Diaz..
38 alfonso Muñoz
50 Fernando..
51 Tigridia Gutierrez
76 Munio Alfonso
102 Gutier Alfonso
I copy that because the brothers Munio and Gutier
Alfonso: "The Alfonso" were the richest owners in
Tierra de Campos in XI century and a part of their
properties are of the Tellez a century later. The only
problem is that there is not any proof of the relation
between Pedro Martínez (# 4) and his possible son
Tello Perez (# 2) The names matches with the family
names: (Gutier Alfonso had a son named Tello and Suero
is a form of Asur).
On the other hand there are another families, all
connected with "The Alfonso":Gutier and Munio, that
could be the ancestor of the Tellez family and the
link had been lost.
There is a Tello Tellez, married with Mayor Suarez
(before 1.111) and they had a son named Alfonso and a
brother with the same name. There are another
brothers: Gutier and Tello Perez, who fight in 1.109
for the possession of a property of Munio Alfonso.
As you can see the problem has not a solution at this
moment. They are part of "The Alfonso" lineage, but
¿How? ¿Where is the link?
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Francisco Antonio Doria
Thanks for the answer, Maria Emma. This certainly
subverts everything I know (or knew) about the Teles
de Meneses.
Do you mean that there is no documentary evidence,
either direct or indirect, for Pero Bernardes? About
three years ago I posted here (to gen-med) the
traditional line from the Asturias to this Pero
`Bernardes.' (It has been examined by Salazar y
Castro, I think, but appears in all Portuguese
lineage books from the 17th century onwards.) Manoel
Cesar Furtado, of Portugal-L, contributed several
references to charts with one or several counts
Bernardo in the Leonese court c. 1100, and Todd did a
thorough criticism of it. I then collected all
material and published it, certainly with due and
explicit acknowledgment to these people and to gen-med
in a book that appeared in print in 2000.
Braancamp Freire, who is almost always inordinately
cautious, begins their line in D. Afonso Teles, lord
of Alburquerque, whom he dates 1218, and mentions that
he was the son of D. Tel Pérez. They were already
grandees at that time...
One question: are you the `mariar' from the Portuguese
forum Sapo?
chico
--- maria emma escobar <memae...@yahoo.es>
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