DNA Test Results arrived

[Douglas Richardson]

Dear Newsgroup ~

I got the results of my Y-Chromosome DNA Test this past week. I
plugged the results into Whit Athey's Y-Haplogroup Predictor at
https://home.comcast.net/~whitathey/predictorinstr.htm. The program
indicates that I'm descended from the fabled Viking (R1a) Haplogroup.

... Grabs his chain mail and double edged sword. Now I'm ready.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

P.S. I also compared my results against someone who descends from the
colonial immigrant, Thomas Richardson, of Westmill, Hertfordshire and
Massachusetts. Our results didn't match. If so, it seems a good
likelihood that my male line immigrant ancestor, Mr. Amos Richardson
(c. 1618-1683), of Boston, Massachusetts and Stonington, Connecticut,
was not related to his fellow immigrants, Thomas Richardson and his
brothers, Samuel and Ezekiel, at least in the male line. All the same,
comparing the DNA test results like this vaguely reminds me of a Jerry
Springer TV show.

[Gordon Banks]

I think these DNA results are quite fascinating. My Banks DNA is R1b,
which is common in Celts. My closest matches include people from Spain.
It is postulated that R1b originated in Spain during the ice age. That
population moved up into western Europe following the melting of the
glaciers. Some, obviously, didn't move up and stayed in Spain.
Unfortunately, I have not matched with any other Banks.

My cousin, however, who is a Devenport (also R1b), has matched closely
with Thomas Davenport of Dorchester and Rev. John Davenport descendants.
Our Devenports can only be traced back to pre-Revolutionary North
Carolina, so we don't know where the connection was. English Davenports
who can trace ancestry from a couple of manors in Cheshire also matched
these lines. The earliest known founder of the Cheshire line was
apparently Orme de Davenport in the 11th-12th centuries who was a
Norman. Carl Boyer's books cover Orme and some of his descendants who
were knights. So that DNA connected me through my mother's line to some
medieval folks, although I can't fill in the missing links.

[Doug McDonald]

Douglas Richardson wrote:

> Dear Newsgroup ~
>
> I got the results of my Y-Chromosome DNA Test this past week. I
> plugged the results into Whit Athey's Y-Haplogroup Predictor at
> https://home.comcast.net/~whitathey/predictorinstr.htm. The program
> indicates that I'm descended from the fabled Viking (R1a) Haplogroup.
>
> ... Grabs his chain mail and double edged sword. Now I'm ready.
>

Yes, but are you a Somerled Person like me? What's your haplotype ...
if you have 37 markers, what are you at YCAII? If you are 19,21,
then you likely are. Are you on Ysearch? I'm PUAP2.

Doug McDonald

[Douglas Richardson]

Dear Doug ~

Thank you for your prompt reply. Much appreciated.

My YCAII values are 19, 23 which I believe are typical for both R1a and
R1b haplogroups (as per Whit Athey's Haplogroup Predictor).

>From a post of your's dated August 28, 2004 copied below, you state
that 19,23 for those who are of the R1a haplogroup is "dominant in the
Anglo-Saxon area," whereas your own 19,21 values indicate that your
progenitor comes from Norway.

Can you explain this a bit further? What do you mean by Anglo-Saxon
area? Denmark?

If I understand my DNA test results correctly, I could also be
descended from someone who accompanied William the Conqueror whose own
ancestry was Viking. Is that right?

Have any R1a values been worked out for people of Viking or Danish
descent who resided in Normandy before coming to England? I ask this
question because my former wife's maiden name is Somerville, which
family came into England and Scotland from Normandy. If so, I suppose
it might also be Viking in origin.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Website: www.royalancestry.net

Doug McDonald wrote:

< That's the "expected way". The unexpected part is in the
< 19,21 values at YCAII. This shows clearly that our
< progenitor came from Norway, as everybody thought from history,
< rather than from the Anglo-Saxon area where 19, 23 is
< dominant.
<
< Doug McDonald
<

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[Doug McDonald]

Douglas Richardson wrote:

> Dear Doug ~
>
> Thank you for your prompt reply. Much appreciated.
>
> My YCAII values are 19, 23 which I believe are typical for both R1a and

> R2b haplogroups (as per Whit Athey's Haplogroup Predictor).

>
>>From a post of your's dated August 28, 2004 copied below, you state
> that 19,23 for those who are of the R1a haplogroup is "dominant in the
> Anglo-Saxon area," whereas your own 19,21 values indicate that your
> progenitor comes from Norway.
>
> Can you explain this a bit further? What do you mean by Anglo-Saxon
> area? Denmark?
>

Yes, Denmark, but also all the nearby areas, including northern Germany,
southern Sweden, and the low countries.

> If I understand my DNA test results correctly, I could also be
> descended from someone who accompanied William the Conqueror whose own
> ancestry was Viking. Is that right?

Yes. Only R1a with YCAII = 19,21 is a strong sign of "Northern" Viking
ancestry. R1a with YCAII = 19,23 is is sign of some sort of Viking
invader or other invader from the northern part of Europe, east of
where France now touches Belgium. Theoretically it could even be Polish
or Russian based on what you tell about the DNA.

It would be better to continue this discussion on the Rootsweb
genealogy-dna-l mailing list. This is one of the continuing topics.
To say more than that we need your whole haplotype list, so we can
compare it to the known databases.

But R1a in somebody from Britain gives a lot more room for
information than the ubiquitous R1b.

Doug McDonald

[Tony Hoskins]

I would think that those of us with this "Viking" haplogroup would
statistically be more likely to descend from the Danes whose incursions
into England pre-dated (and outnumbered?) William and his Normans.

Tony Hoskins (originally: Hodgkinson, of Preston, Lancashire)

Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404

707/545-0831, ext. 562

[mj...@btinternet.com]

Douglas Richardson schrieb:

> Dear Newsgroup ~
>
> I got the results of my Y-Chromosome DNA Test this past week.

Thanks for sharing this. Although my brain generally starts to hurt at
the mention of things scientific, this is fascinating stuff and of
great potential for genealogical research (and argument).

>
> P.S. I also compared my results against someone who descends from the
> colonial immigrant, Thomas Richardson, of Westmill, Hertfordshire and
> Massachusetts. Our results didn't match. If so, it seems a good
> likelihood that my male line immigrant ancestor, Mr. Amos Richardson
> (c. 1618-1683), of Boston, Massachusetts and Stonington, Connecticut,
> was not related to his fellow immigrants, Thomas Richardson and his
> brothers, Samuel and Ezekiel, at least in the male line.

Or, indicative of a break in the male line chain between 1683 and today
[not meaning to cast any aspersions on your or you ancestors!]. I say
this in the knowledge that my own patrilineal ascent can only be traced
four generations before an affair outside of marriage leads to a
question mark regarding the identification of my Y-chromosome ancestry.

Regards

Michael

[Gordon Banks]

Sure. In most family DNA studies there are matches with people with
other surnames. Surnames haven't been around that long, after all.

On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 12:33 -0700, Terry wrote:
> I have a question, if I where to get my DNA testing done and there are no
> other people with my surname, or a similar one on the net with DNA tests, if
> there where some one with the same markers as I but with a different name
> could that be found?
> If that makes sense
> Terry L. Mair
> Mair's Photography
> 158 South 580 East
> Midway, Utah 84049
> 435-654-3607
> www.mairsphotography.com