VAUX GENEALOGY
Christina Hilton
> > > VAUX GENEALOGY
> > > William Vaux ob. 1405, m. Eleanor, dau. & heir of Thos. Drakelow of
> > > Wilby, Kt.
> > > Their children were:
> > > A. Sir William Vaux, ob. 1460 m. Maud da. & heir of
> > > Goeffrey Lucy of Richard's Castle (Hereford)
> > >
> > > B. Margaret m. William Harrowden
> > >
> > > C. Isobel m. William Tresham
> > >
> > > The children of A. Sir William were:
> > > 1A. Sir William Vaux, ob. 1471 m. Catherine da.
> > > of Gregory Penison of Courtesello (Italy).
> > >
> > > 2A. Philippa m. Thomas Shugborough
> > >
> > > The children of 1A Sir William Vaux were:
> > >
> > > 1AB. Nicholas 1st. Baron Vaux ob. 1523 m. (1st.) Eliz. dau of
> > > Henry Lord Fitzhugh. Their children were:
> > > 1. Alice, 2.Anne, 3. Catherine**
> > > He m. (2nd) Anne, da. & heir of Thomas Green.
> > > The children of Nicholas 1st Baron & Ann Green were:
> > > 1ABC. Thomas 2nd Baron Vaux, ob. 1595
> > > m. Eliz. Cheney. Their children were:
> > > 1ABCD. William 3rd Baron Vaux ob. 1595
> > > 2ABCD. Nicholas
> > > 3ABCD. Maud
> > > 4ABCD. Anne
> > > 5ABCD. Catherine
> > > 2AB. Jane m. (1) Sir. Rich. Guildford (2) Anthony Pointz
> > >
> > > The family of Nicholas, 1st Baron Vaux (d. 14 May, 1523): He married first
> > > (1483-6) Elizabeth, dau. and heir of Henry Lord Fitzhugh, and widow of Sir
> > > William Parr. She was alive in Oct. 1501. They had issue:
> > > 1. Alice, who married (1501) Sir Richard Sapcote of Elton
> > > (Hunts) and died 1543.
> > > 2. Anne, who married (1501) Sir Thos. Lestrange of
> > > Hunstanton (Norfolk).
> > > 3. ** Catherine, who married Sir George Throckmorton of
> > > Coughton (Warwick), and died 1571.{IN MY OPINION THIS IS THE LINE
> > > WHICH TOOK THE BARONET TITLE NAME OF VAULX AND ARE KNOWN IN AMERICA
> > > AS THE VAULX(S) TO THIS DAY. Can anyone prove me right or wrong?}
> > >
> > > He married second (1507) Anne, dau. and co-heir of Thomas Green of Green's
> > > Norton (Northants). She was born c. 1490, and died before 1523. They had
> > > issue:
> > > 1. Thomas, 2nd Baron Vaux, born 25 April 1509, q.v.
> > > 2. William, living in May 1523.
> > > 3. Margaret, who married Sir Francis Poultney of Misteron (Leics).
> > > 4. Maud, who married Sir John Fermor of Easton Neston (Northants),
> > > and died 14 April 1569.
> > > 5. Bridget, who married (before 1538) Maurice Walsh of Sudbury
> > > (Glos.).
> > >
> > > The family of Thomas 2nd Baron Vaux (d. Oct. 1556). He married (before 1523)
> > > Eliz, dau. and heir of Thomas Cheney of Irthlingborough (Northants). She was
> > > born 1505 and died 20 Nov. 1556. They had issue:
> > > 1. Maud married Anthony Burrows of Burrow-on-the-Hill (Leics). and
> > > died c. 1581.
> > > 2. William, 3rd Baron Vaux, b. Aug. 1535 q.v.
> > > 3. Nicholas, living 1542, married REGINALD BRAY of Stean and
> > > Hinton (Warw). and died 7 May 1619.
> > > 5. Catherine.
> > >
> > > The family of William 3rd Baron Vaux (d. 20 Aug. 1595). He married first
> > > (before 18 March 1557) Elizabeth dau. of John Beaumont of Grace Dieu
> > > (Leics.). She was buried 12 Aug. 1562. They had issue:
> > > 1. Henry, died unmarried Nov. 1587
> > > 2. Eleanor, married (c. 1577) Edward Brooksby of Shoby (Leics.)
> > > and died c. 1625.
> > > 3. Elizabeth, a Poor Clare. {nun}
> > > 4. Anne, bapt. 19 July 1562.
> > >
> > > He married secondly (1563-4), Mary dau. of John Tresham of Rushton
> > > (Northants). She died 28 Dec. 1597. They had issue:
> > > 1. George, bapt. 27 Sept. 1564. q.v.
> > > 2. Catherine bapt. 25 Feb. 1566, died prob. ante 1597
> > > 3. Muriel bapt. 26 Jan, 1570. Married (before Sept. 1597) George
> > > Fulshurst.
> > > 4. Edward, died unmarried 25 July, 1585.
> > > 5. Ambrose b. July 1570 married (April 1612) Elizabeth Wyborne,
> > > widow. Died 25 April 1626.
> > >
> > > The family of George Vaux (d. 13 July 1594). He married (25 July 1585)
> > > Elizabeth, dau. of Sir John Roper of Linstead (Kent). They had issue:
> > > 1. Mary b. 1587? m. (1604) Sir George Simeon of Baldwin Brightwell
> > > (Oxon). She died before 1624.
> > >
> > > 2. Edward 4th Baron Vaux b. 13 Sept. 1588, d. 8 Sept. 1661 {m. Eliz.
> > > (1586-1658) dau. of Thomas Howard Earl. of Suffolk; widow of Lord
> > > William Knollys who had inherited his fathers estates. His eldest
> > > brother having died without sons in 1583. William was privy
> > > councillor and comptroller of the royal household; in 1602 was
> > > treasurer of the household. He became Baron Knollys in 1603 under
> > > King James I and Viscount Wallingford in 1616, created Earl of
> > > Banbury 1626. He died in London in 1632. (Ency. Brit. 1911 bk.15
> > > pg) 870.}
> > >
> > > 3. William d. 1590 d. ante 1661
> > >
> > > 4. Henry b. 1591 d. 20 Sept. 1663.
> > >
> > > 5. Joyce. A "Mary Ward" nun. Buried 16 May 1667.
> > >
> > > 6. Catherin b. 1593-4. Married (c. 1614) Henry Nevill, Lord
> > > Abergavenny. He was bur. 24 Dec. 1641. She was bur. 7 July, 1649.
> > >
> > > ** From the Throckmorton "pedigree" the name Vaux is spelled
> > > "Vaulx", when it refers to the wife of Sir George Throckmorton; Catherine,
> > > "da(ughter) to the Lo(rd) Vaulx..... That spelling was then used when that
> > > line attained their baronet title under the right of the parental
> > > grandfather having borne arms. In this case the mother's (Catherine
> > > Vaux) grandfather; Sir William Vaux who obtained 1471. The two names are
> > > continually interchanged but it is my belief that the Vaulx(s) of America
> > > probably originated from the George Throckmortons, who married into the Vaux
> > > family and it is that line who use the name "Vaulx". The book "THe Vaulx
Road for 900 Years" by James G. Horsfall explains much about the
Vaulx
family. But he could not deside which of the Vaux families began
the
Vaulx line. It seems clear it is the Harrowden branch. Correct
me if
I am wrong, please. My ancestors [descendants of Samuel Timson,
died
Jan. 23; 1694/5, buried in the floor of Burton Church in
Williamsburg, Va..] were in possession of both Vaux Hall
plantation
(on or near Jamestown Island) and Vaulx Hall plantation
(on or near Queens Creek in York county, and are related to
both Throckmortons (Vaulx) and Vaux.) The information on the
Throckmorton branch is found on line at the Swem library from
William and Mary College, under "JSTOR demo" or their
publications;
"The William and Mary College Quarterly".
"The Vaux of Harrowden, a Recusant Family" is
found at the Library of Congress Genealogy Room.
> > > Does anyone know the arms of Sir John Roper Baron Teynham KB
> Nov. 3, 1616 afterwards 3rd Lord Teynham; or more history or
> geneology of the Christopher Roper married Blore branch which
includes Sir John? and there different arms?
> Regards to all, Carol Timpson and Christina V. Hilton
G . EDWARD ALLEN
>
> >
> > > > VAUX GENEALOGY
> > > > William Vaux ob. 1405, m. Eleanor, dau. & heir of Thos. Drakelow of
> > > > Wilby, Kt.
> > > > Their children were:
> > > > A. Sir William Vaux, ob. 1460 m. Maud da. & heir of
> > > > Goeffrey Lucy of Richard's Castle (Hereford)
Miscelanea Genealogica et Heraldica, 5th Ser., 4:102 et seq. "The Early
Pedigree of Vaux of Harrowden". G. Andrews Moriarty.
Maud was sister of Wm. Lucy, I believe, of Charlecote, Warwicks. I am
not aware of a connection to Richard's Castle. In any case, she, in her
son, was heir to her brother William, not of her father.
If you haven't consulted the Complete Peerage for Vaux of Harrowden and
for Vaulx, I would recommend that you do so. The Complete Peerage is
available on microfilm through the Family History Center system.
Kay Allen AG all...@pacbell.net
> > > >
> > > > B. Margaret m. William Harrowden
> > > >
> > > > C. Isobel m. William Tresham
William's sisters were Eleanor, who married Thomas Giffard of Twyford,
Bucks.; and possibly Isabel, who married Sir William Tresham. I see no
mention of a Margaret.
Cristopher Nash
data lurking here concerning the wives and earlier line of
Sir Oliver (de) Vaux of Freston
John (de) Vaux of Freston &/or Walton
Maud (de) Vaux who m. William Ld Ros/Roos of Hamlake
(who d. 1316/17)
(DNB ['William de Ros'] says John (de) Vaux not of Freston
but of Walton, but agrees Maud & gives Maud & William's ch.)
Thanks (Kay?)!
Cris
G . EDWARD ALLEN
Mostly from Moriarty's Notebooks at NEHGS, Boston.
1. Maud.
2. John of Freiston; b. bef. 1231; d. 1287.
3. Sibyl Longchamps. Perhaps a step-dtr. of Pernel's ?
4. Sir Oliver of Pentney, Norfolk and Wisset, Suffolk; b. bef. 1211; d.
1235/44.
5. Pernel de Craon of Freiston; d. 1259/62.
8. Robert of Pentney; d. after 1190.
10. Guy de Craon of Freiston; d. ca. 1205.
11. Isabel Basset of Headington, Oxon.
16. William of Pentney; d. after 1150.
20. Maurice de Craon, d. 1186/7.
21. Clarice.
22. Thomas Basset; d. 1182.
23. Alice de Dunstanville of Shiplake, Oxon.; d. after 1181.
32. Robert of Pentney.
33. Agnes.
64. Robert of Pentney; d. after 1086.
65. --- Mountchensey.
130. Hubert de Mountchensey.
Hope this elucidates.
Kay Allen AG all...@pacbell.net
James C. Woodard
TIA
Jim
Leslie Mahler wrote in message <36D34E30...@worldnet.att.net>...
>A few years back, there was a study of the maternal ancestry of Thomas
>Dudley in NEHGR,
>and it adds some information to the following line:
>
>>22. Thomas Basset; d. 1182.
>1181.
>
>44. Gilbert Basset
>46. Alan de Dunsterville, d 1156
>93. Adelina de Insula
>186. Humphrey de Insula, living in 1086
>
>Leslie
>
Leslie Mahler
Cristopher Nash
>Cristopher Nash wrote:
>>
>> Noting postings under this header, I wonder whether there might be fuller
>> data lurking here concerning the wives and earlier line of
>>
>> Sir Oliver (de) Vaux of Freston
>> John (de) Vaux of Freston &/or Walton
>> Maud (de) Vaux who m. William Ld Ros/Roos of Hamlake
>> (who d. 1316/17)
>>
>> (DNB ['William de Ros'] says John (de) Vaux not of Freston
>> but of Walton, but agrees Maud & gives Maud & William's ch.)
>Mostly from Moriarty's Notebooks at NEHGS, Boston.
>
>1. Maud.
>2. John of Freiston; b. bef. 1231; d. 1287.
>3. Sibyl Longchamps. Perhaps a step-dtr. of Pernel's ?
>4. Sir Oliver of Pentney, Norfolk and Wisset, Suffolk; b. bef. 1211; d.
>1235/44.
>5. Pernel de Craon of Freiston; d. 1259/62.
>8. Robert of Pentney; d. after 1190.
>10. Guy de Craon of Freiston; d. ca. 1205.
>11. Isabel Basset of Headington, Oxon.
>16. William of Pentney; d. after 1150.
>20. Maurice de Craon, d. 1186/7.
>21. Clarice.
>22. Thomas Basset; d. 1182.
>23. Alice de Dunstanville of Shiplake, Oxon.; d. after 1181.
>32. Robert of Pentney.
>33. Agnes.
>64. Robert of Pentney; d. after 1086.
>65. --- Mountchensey.
>130. Hubert de Mountchensey.
>
>Hope this elucidates.
>
>Kay Allen AG all...@pacbell.net
Thanks very much, Kay! I gather from this that there's a lot unresolved
and more needs to be done. I'll have a look at M's notes when next in the
States and able to get back to the NEHGS. Meantime I'll check out his
MiscGen&Her piece (Ser.5, 4:102ff) at the Bod., tho I'm unclear what
relation there is, if any, between the Harrowden fam. and these of
Suff/Norf. (And of course the CP article - as a 'late starter' - doesn't
develop it). I assume M. proposes none. I'll have a look at the relev.
VCH's too for starters. Can you tell, by the way, the relative dates of
M's work on these two lines (i.e. do the notes postdate the published
article, as though arising out of the Harrowden work)?
Should we take it that you're so-far unsettled yourself on the
Harrowden/Suff-Norf question (or perhaps it's been only of tangential
interest for you)...?
Christina Hilton's reference, viz.
>"The Vaux of Harrowden, a Recusant Family" is found at the Library
of Congress
Genealogy Room<
sounds intriguing, though judging by the allusion to recusancy, the period
discussed is at least C16-18, not earlier. Is that right, Christina? Any
author for this?
I assume that
>3. Sibyl Longchamps. Perhaps a step-dtr. of Pernel's ?<
appears without identification of a Longchamps marriage for Sibyl.
Anyway, many thanks again, Kay.
Cris
G . EDWARD ALLEN
Moriarty does not propose a connection between these two Vaux families.
I do not see any connection either. I descend from both Vaux families.
I'll have a look at the relev.
> VCH's too for starters. Can you tell, by the way, the relative dates of
> M's work on these two lines (i.e. do the notes postdate the published
> article, as though arising out of the Harrowden work)?
Moriarty's Notebooks end at about 1965, so they would post-date his
Harrowden article.
>
> Should we take it that you're so-far unsettled yourself on the
> Harrowden/Suff-Norf question (or perhaps it's been only of tangential
> interest for you)...?
As mentioned earlier, I do not believe ther is a connection.
>
> Christina Hilton's reference, viz.
> >"The Vaux of Harrowden, a Recusant Family" is found at the Library
> of Congress
> Genealogy Room<
> sounds intriguing, though judging by the allusion to recusancy, the period
> discussed is at least C16-18, not earlier. Is that right, Christina? Any
> author for this?
>
> I assume that
> >3. Sibyl Longchamps. Perhaps a step-dtr. of Pernel's ?<
> appears without identification of a Longchamps marriage for Sibyl.
She is just called Sibyl Longchamps as wife of Pernel's son. Pernel
married a Longchamps; so if said Longchamps had a dtr. by a previous
wife, shg might have married her step-brother. However, I believe a
dispensation might have been required because of their step-sibness.
Canon Law, anyone?
>
> Anyway, many thanks again, Kay.
You're welcome.
K
>
> Cris