St. George of Hatley St. George

[Odd Ottesen]

In the 17th Century there were three generations of St. George heralds, of different order. First it was Sir Richard St. George (died 1635) (Clarenceux), then his son Sir Henry St. George (1581-1644) (Garter), and finally his grandsons (Henry's sons) Sir Thomas St. George (1615-1703) (Garter), Sir Henry St. George (1624-1715) (Garter) and Sir Richard St. George (born 1631) (Ulster). I find this noteworthy in itself.

The family's home was at Hatley Park in Hatley St. George in Cambridgeshire, where the family lived for centuries. In the local church here, there shall be a group of 15 shields painted for Sir Henry St. George the elder in 1627.

Some of these St. George's are connected to the published "visitations". Henry St. George, then Richmond herald, was involved in the visitations of Cambridgeshire in 1619. And I would suppose the family is mentioned in the visitations of that shire. (There are no example of this visitation in Norwegian libraries, so I have not consulted this, yet.)

Can anybody out there give me further informations about this family? My concern is the couple John Docwra and Ann St. George, allegedly a daughter of Thomas St. George of Hatley St. George. The couple were parents of Thomas Docwra of Putteridge in Offley, Cambs. (1519-1602) and Humphrey Docwra (1525-1565).

In a contribution to the "Continental genes" whim, Henry Sutliff says that a granddaughter of Sir John Hawkwood, the "condottiere", Mathilda Coggeshall, married John St. George, and their descendant was the above mentioned Sir Richard St. George, Clarenceux King of Arms.

As an apropos to another recent exchange of words on this list: according to Burke (25. ed. - a book that is available in Norwegian libraries) the first St. George in England, Baldwin, of course was one of the Conquerer's companions. I suppose that may be due to the contribution of one of the heralds in this family.

Odd Ottesen, Kristiansand, Norway

[Rosie Bevan]

Hi Odd

The 106th ed (1999) Burke's Peerage and Baronetage has the St George line
as follows:

The ST GEORGEs who held the Hatley St George or Hungre Hatley estate Cambs.
from at least temp Henry II to temp Charles II were a cadet branch of a
French family of the same name who helf the fief of St Georges near Limoges.

1. Baldwin ; allegedly settled in England temp William I, died in or aft
1113 having had with a daughter Albreda (a nun in Clerkenwell)
2. William St George living 1199
3. Baldwin b. by 1216
4. William living 1243
5. Baldwin living 1256 d. 1282=Basilia de Soham of Mepham, Isle of Ely widow
of Eymond Turenberd, Constable of the Tower of London [she was not mother of
6.]
6. Sir William d. by 1312= Margaret de Turenberd, his step sister
7. Baldwin d.v.p.=Joan
8. Sir William living 1348
9. Sir Baldwin JP MP for Cambs. and Hunts.=Elizabeth da. and coheir of Sir
John Argentine
10. Sir Baldwin JP MP Cambs. d. 18 Feb 1425=Joan, da. and coheir of Sir John
Engaine
11. John d.v.p.=Matilda, da. and heiress of Sir William de Coggeshall
12. Sir William d.1472=Katherine da. of Sir John Manningham
13. Sir Richard b.1446 d.1485=Ann da. of Thomas a Burgoine of Impington,
Cambs.
14. Thomas b.1473 d.1540=Alice da. of Sir John Rotherham of of Somerham
15. George=Joan da. of William Mordaunt
15. Ann=John Doowra [sic]
15. Catherine=Richard Marshall

If you would like a copy of the full pedigree, I am happy to send it to you.

Cheers

Rosie

[Sutliff]

Odd,

I am not sure how much you know of the St. George family, but there is a
concurrent thread which I have been posting on the Iwardby and St. John
families. Richard St. George, Clarenceux King of Arms, was married to
Elizabeth St. John of Lydiard Tregoze, Wilts. Her parents were Nicholas
St. John (d. 1589) and Elizabeth Blount (d. 1597). Nicholas was son of
John St. John (d. 1576) and Margaret Carew. This John was in turn son of
John St. John (d. 1512) and Joan Iwardby whose ancestry is the topic of
the other thread.

The most knowledgeable person on the St. George family is Mirabelle St.
George Hollingsworth of Exmouth, Devonshire. She does not use a computer
so if you are needing more information, I could give you her address by
private mail.

Hope this helps,

Henry Sutliff

[Sutliff]

To tie in what Rosie has graciously posted to Richard St. George,
Clarenceux King of Arms:

Sir Richard St. George (1446-1485) = Ann Burgoyne (parents: Thomas
Burgoyne of Impington, Camb. and Isabel Book, daughter of Adam Book of
?)
\
Thomas St. George (1473-1540) = Audrey/Ethelreda Heigham (parents:
Clement Heigham of Wickhambrook, Suffolk and Joan Cotton of Landwade,
Camb.)
\
Francis St. George = Rose Hutton (parents: Thomas of Drydrayton, Camb.
and ?)
\

Sir Richard St. George, Clarenceux King of Arms

Henry

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On Friday, June 15, 2001 11:15:22 AM UTC+1, Odd Ottesen wrote:

Ref. Manninghams. Ihave almost full family history for this family, from Viking times until 16thc. This has taken 40 years of work. John M. was son of Thomas and katherine Asplion, born c.1420. And grandson of Thomas M. and Ellen,Lord of the manor of Wrenthorpe in Yorkshire. He had brother William and Thomas. His cousin was Oliver M. Ihave plenty more if anyone would like this. Altogether 40 pages right upto today. Richard Glover, ossett, west Yorks. rg354...@gmail.com

[hsone]

It has been some time since I have looked at this family, but I can add to the information above that the wife of Thomas Hutton of Dry Drayton was Anne Freville of Little Shelford, Camb.

Katherine Manningham, wife of William St. George MP of Hatley St. George, Camb. d.1472, was daughter of John Manningham, son of Thomas and Katherine Asplion as you state. I think John's wife was named Edith, but I have not researched that sufficiently.

There is another Manningham relationship to the St. George family although indirect. Sir Oliver Manningham d. 1499 was married to Eleanor Moleyns of Stoke Poges, Bucks, widow of Robert 3rd Lord Hungerford. They had a daughter Frideswide Manningham who married Sir Thomas Oxenbridge d. bef Feb 1497. His sister Malyn (or Magdalen) Oxenbridge was wife of Sir Richard Carew and were parents of Margaret Carew mentioned above.

Hope this helps.

HS