Another C.P. Addition: Jane Norton, wife of Edward Grey, Viscount Lisle
Douglas Richardson
Complete Peerage, 8 (1932): 59-61 (sub Lisle) has a good account of
the life of Sir Edward Grey, Viscount Lisle, who died in 1492.
Regarding his second marriage, the following scanty information is
given:
"He married, 2ndly, Jane, widow of Robert Drope, Lord Mayor of London
in 1474, and previously of John Treguran." END OF QUOTE.
The parentage of Jane is not provided. However, on page 61, footnote
c, reference is made to the will of Jane, Viscountess Lisle, then a
widow, dated 1500, in which she names her brother, Richard Norton, of
Nutley, Hampshire, and her nephew, John Norton, draper. Her will also
refers to her place of birth as being Nutley, Hampshire.
Interestingly, a full transcript of the will of Jane, Viscountess
Lisle, is found in an appendix to Woodruff & Churchill, Sede Vacante
Wills (Kent Recs. 3) (1914), pages 127-145.
I examined the will this past week. Besides the two relatives
mentioned by Complete Peerage in its footnote, Jane, Viscountess
Lisle, mentioned numerous other relatives in her will. They include:
Robert Drope her former husband
Richard Norton her brother
Thomas Grey her brother[-in-law]
Edward Hungerford her cousin
John Treguran her son
Crystyne More widow her sister
Alice widow her sister
John Harpesfeld her nephew
George Harpesfeld her nephew
John Norton, draper her nephew
Elizabeth Gentill her niece
Cecily wife of Benedict Seny her niece
Philippe Harpesfeld her niece (contracted to marry Thomas Dyneley)
her young cousin Awdeley [Audley] being with Sir John Shaa, knight
It is odd that all of these relatives should have been excluded from
Complete Peerage's abstract of the will of Jane, Viscountess Lisle.
Fortunately, there is a pedigree chart of the Norton family found in
Herald and Genealogist, Volume 5, published 1870, pages 127-130. The
pedigree chart there identifies Jane, Viscountess Lisle as Jane
Norton, daughter of John Norton, Esq., "lord of the manors of Nutley
and East Tisted, co. Hants." The chart includes all of Jane Norton's
near relatives, including her brother, Richard Norton, and her three
sisters, Christiana (wife of William More, Esq.), Agnes (wife of
Nicholas Harpesfeld, Esq.), and Alice (marriage not identified), as
well as numerous nephews and nieces.
Interestingly, two of Viscountess Lisle's near relations are ancestral
to 17th Century New World immigrants. Her nephew, John Harpesfield,
Gent., Citizen and draper of London, married Joyce Mytton, of
Staffordshire. They are the great-grandparents of the immigrant,
Elizabeth Marshall, wife of Thomas Lewis, of Maine.
Likewise, Viscountess Lisle's niece, Philippe Harpesfield, wife of
Thomas Dinley (or Dyneley), is ancestral to three New World
immigrants: St. Leger Codd, Warham Horsmanden, and Katherine Saint
Leger (wife of Thomas Culpeper), all of Virginia. Thus my children
are descendants of the Norton family.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
wjhonson
> Interestingly, two of Viscountess Lisle's near relations are ancestral
> to 17th Century New World immigrants. Her nephew, John Harpesfield,
> Gent., Citizen and draper of London, married Joyce Mytton, of
> Staffordshire. They are the great-grandparents of the immigrant,
> Elizabeth Marshall, wife of Thomas Lewis, of Maine.
>
> Likewise, Viscountess Lisle's niece, Philippe Harpesfield, wife of
> Thomas Dinley (or Dyneley), is ancestral to three New World
> immigrants: St. Leger Codd, Warham Horsmanden, and Katherine Saint
> Leger (wife of Thomas Culpeper), all of Virginia. Thus my children
> are descendants of the Norton family.
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
By this connection, Leo's database is extended on the ancestry of both
Diana Spencer and Margaret Ferguson. They both descend from this
marriage of Philippa Harpesfield and Thomas Dineley. And he is not
currently showing the connection to the Norton's of Nutley.
Will Johnson
wjhonson
families as well. At least according to Arthur Collins.
Philippa Harpesfield married twice and had both children of her body,
and step-children, and like all good incestuous families of the
period, her new husband and her decided to marry his eldest son to her
heiress by her first marriage.
So Elizabeth Dineley, evidently sole heiress of her father Thomas (by
Philippa) was married (or at least betrothed) to George Barrett,
eldest son of John Barrett by his first wife Elizabeth Braytoft.
George and Elizabeth had at one son Edward and then George d.v.p. as
when his own father John died 17H8, it was this grandson Edward who
inherited and was then age five.
In speaking of this Collins states that this Elizabeth Dineley
quartered (among others) the arms of Milo Earl of Hereford. I wonder
if anyone has the line that would show this? I'm not currently
showing much for her ancestry.
Will Johnson
royala...@msn.com
I've posted below the descent of Elizabeth Dineley from Miles, Earl of
Hereford, died 1143. The basic descent is set forth in a chart
published in Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica, 5th Ser. 6 (1926):
81-82. Additional material may be found in Archaeologia Cambrensis,
3rd ser. 4 (1858): 16–30.
Several of the generations are covered by VCH Berkshire, 4 (1924):
110-114, which may found at the following weblink:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=62689
Generations 1-8 are also covered by John Burke, A Genealogical and
Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, 4
(1838): 728-729. This material may be viewed at the following
weblinks:
http://books.google.com/books?id=DchsAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA729&dq=Maud+Chenduit+Herbert#PPA728,M1
http://books.google.com/books?id=DchsAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA729&dq=Maud+Chenduit+Herbert
1. Miles of Gloucester, 1st Earl of Hereford, died 1143.
2. Lucy of Hereford, married Herbert Fitz Herbert, died 1204.
3. Peter Fitz Herbert, of Blaen Llyfni, died 1235, married (1st) Alice
Fitz Robert.
4. Reynold Fitz Peter, Knt., of Blaen Llyfni, died 1286, married (1st)
Alice _____.
5. John Fitz Reynold, Knt., of Blaen Llyfni, died 1310, married Agnes
_____.
6. Herbert Fitz John, of Wolverton, Hampshire, died 1321, married
Eleanor le Rous.
7. Reynold Fitz Herbert, of Stanford, Berkshire, Southam,
Gloucestershire, etc., married Juliane _____.
8. Elizabeth Fitz Reynold, born about 1319, married John Chenduit.
9. Maud Chenduit, married Robert Foxcote, of Southam, Gloucester.
10. Thomas Foxcote, of Southam, Gloucester, living 1427, married
Philippe Stokes.
11. Margaret Foxcote, married William Dineley.
12. Robert Dineley, married _____ Ludlow.
13. Edward Dineley, married Elizabeth Langford.
14. Thomas Dineley, married c.1500 Philippe Harpesfield.
15. Elizabeth Dineley, married John Baker, Knt.
jhigg...@yahoo.com
> Dear Will ~
>
> I've posted below the descent of Elizabeth Dineley from Miles, Earl of
> Hereford, died 1143. The basic descent is set forth in a chart
> published in Miscellanea Genealogica et Heraldica, 5th Ser. 6 (1926):
> 81-82. Additional material may be found in Archaeologia Cambrensis,
> 3rd ser. 4 (1858): 16–30.
>
> Several of the generations are covered by VCH Berkshire, 4 (1924):
> 110-114, which may found at the following weblink:
>
> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=62689
>
> Generations 1-8 are also covered by John Burke, A Genealogical and
> Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, 4
> (1838): 728-729. This material may be viewed at the following
> weblinks:
>
>
> 1. Miles of Gloucester, 1st Earl of Hereford, died 1143.
> 2. Lucy of Hereford, married Herbert Fitz Herbert, died 1204.
> 3. Peter Fitz Herbert, of Blaen Llyfni, died 1235, married (1st) Alice
> Fitz Robert.
> 4. Reynold Fitz Peter, Knt., of Blaen Llyfni, died 1286, married (1st)
> Alice _____.
> 5. John Fitz Reynold, Knt., of Blaen Llyfni, died 1310, married Agnes
> _____.
> 6. Herbert Fitz John, of Wolverton, Hampshire, died 1321, married
> Eleanor le Rous.
> 7. Reynold Fitz Herbert, of Stanford, Berkshire, Southam,
> Gloucestershire, etc., married Juliane _____.
> 8. Elizabeth Fitz Reynold, born about 1319, married John Chenduit.
> 9. Maud Chenduit, married Robert Foxcote, of Southam, Gloucester.
> 10. Thomas Foxcote, of Southam, Gloucester, living 1427, married
> Philippe Stokes.
> 11. Margaret Foxcote, married William Dineley.
> 12. Robert Dineley, married _____ Ludlow.
> 13. Edward Dineley, married Elizabeth Langford.
> 14. Thomas Dineley, married c.1500 Philippe Harpesfield.
> 15. Elizabeth Dineley, married John Baker, Knt.
>
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
With respect to the Langford wife of Thomas Dineley [or Dingley], # 14
above, the following note from a post of 10 May 2004 by Paul Cutmore:
"Both pedigrees [*} show Edward DINELEY's wife as Elizabeth daughter
of
William LANGFORD. However, it is likely that Edward's wife was Sanchia
LANGFORD, daughter of Edward LANGFORD. After Edward DINELEY's death
(23
Aug 1485), Sanchia married Peter CARVANELL; she died in 1494. (See
CIPM,
Henry VII, vol.1). " [end of quote]
* The referenced pedigrees are in Misc. Gen. et Her. 5th Ser. 6
(1926): 82 and in HSP 14:548 (misc. Essex pedigrees included with the
Visitations of Essex).
This identification of Edward's wife agrees with that shown in VCH
Berks cited above in this thread. This in turn gives the Dineleys a
descent from the oft-mentioned Sancha de Ayala.
The proper citation for Will's discussion of the complicated marital
connections between Dineley, Harpesfield, and Barrett is Collins'
Peerage (Brydges ed.), 6:585 (available on Google Books). This
account is a considerable improvement over the very confused Barrett
pedigrees appearing in the Harleian Society's publications (HSP
13:146ff and HSP 14:548ff - both available on Google Books). It also
suggests some corrections for the entry in "Magna Carta
Ancestry" (2005) for John Barrett, which is based primary on the
flawed HSP 13 pedigree of the Barretts.