C.P. Addition: Anne Butler, wife of Ambrose Cresacre, Esq., and James Saint Leger, Knt.
Douglas Richardson
Complete Peerage, 10 (1945): 133, footnote b (sub Ormond) gives few
details regarding Anne Butler, elder daughter and co-heiress of Sir
Thomas Butler (or Ormond) (died 1515), 7th Earl of Ormond. Anne
Butler was the maternal aunt and namesake of Queen Anne Boleyn, wife
of King Henry VIII of England. Here are Complete Peerage's comments
regarding Anne Butler:
"On his death [that is, death of Thomas Butler] the Earldom of Ormond
passed to the heir male, and the Barony of Ormond fell into abeyance,
according to modern doctrine, between his two daughters and coheirs of
his first wife: (i) Anne, aged 23 in 1485, then wife of James St.
Leger (and sometime wife of Ambrose Griseacre (L. and P. Henry VIII,
vol. iii, no. 160], and (ii) Margaret, at the same time aged 20, wife
of Sir William Boleyn, Knight." END OF QUOTE.
Complete Peerage informs us that that Anne Butler, the elder daughter
and co-heiress of her father, was "sometime" wife of Ambrose Griseacre
and, that in 1485, she was then the wife of James St. Leger. She was
allegedly aged 23 in 1485, which age is clearly an understatement.
Research on my part indicates that Anne Butler's first husband was
Ambrose Cresacre (or Grisacre), Esq., lawyer, Justice of the Peace for
Yorkshire, West Riding, 1466, son of Percival Cresacre, of
Barnborough, Yorkshire, by Alice, daughter of Thomas Mounteney. In
1468–9 he acquired four manors in Kent from Richard Scrope. He left a
will dated 15 Sept. 1469, proved Oct. 1469 (P.C.C. 28 Godyn),
requesting burial in the chapel of St. Thomas Acon, now called
Mercer’s Chapel, Cheapside, London [see Testamenta Eboracensia, 4
(Surtees Soc. 53) (1869): 227n.]. He and Anne had no issue.
His widow, Anne, married (2nd) James Saint Leger (or Seintleger),
Knt., of Annery (in Monkleigh), Devon, son of John Saint Leger, Esq.,
of Ulcombe, Kent, Sheriff of Kent, by Margery, daughter and heiress of
James Donet. They had one son, George, Knt. Sir James Saint Leger
died in 1509. He left a will proved 11 June 1510 (P.C.C. 29 Bennett).
His widow, Anne, was a legatee in the 1515 will of her father [see
Archaeologia 3 (1775): 20–21 (will of Thomas Butler, Knt., Earl of
Ormond)]. She was still living 25 Oct. 1531, when she presented to
the church of Littleham, Devon [see Notes & Gleanings 4 (1891): 97].
Descendants of Anne Butler and her second husband, Sir James Saint
Leger, are traced in Collectanea Topographica et Genealogica, 4
(1837): 321–322, which information may be viewed at the following
weblink:
James Saint Leger (husband of Anne Butler) joined his brother, Sir
Thomas Saint Leger (husband of Anne Plantagenet, sister of King Edward
IV) in a demise dated 20 Edward IV [1480-1], an abstract of which
record is found in MSS of the Marquis of Ormonde (Hist. MSS Comm. 10th
Rpt., App., Pt. 5) (1885): 75. This record may also be viewed at the
following weblink:
If anyone has further particulars or corrections to make regarding the
above information, please post that material here on the newsgroup
with your citations and/or weblinks.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
John
On Oct 31, 12:43 pm, Douglas Richardson <royalances...@msn.com> wrote:
> Dear Newsgroup ~
>
[snip]
>
> His widow, Anne, married (2nd) James Saint Leger (or Seintleger),
> Knt., of Annery (in Monkleigh), Devon, son of John Saint Leger, Esq.,
> of Ulcombe, Kent, Sheriff of Kent, by Margery, daughter and heiress of
> James Donet. They had one son, George, Knt. Sir James Saint Leger
> died in 1509. He left a will proved 11 June 1510 (P.C.C. 29 Bennett).
>
[snip]
>
> Descendants of Anne Butler and her second husband, Sir James Saint
> Leger, are traced in Collectanea Topographica et Genealogica, 4
> (1837): 321–322, which information may be viewed at the following
> weblink:
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=YCcAAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA321&dq=George+Lege...
>
[snip]
> Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
The CTG article cited indicates that their son Sir George St. Leger
married "Ann, daughter of Edmund Knevyt, Esq." [sic}. Is there any
firm evidence as to who this Edmund was? FWIW, Watney's ancestry of
the Wallop family identifies him as Sir Edmund Knevit (or Knyvett) of
Buckenham who married Eleanor Tyrrell - but Watney provides no sources
for his pedigrees. This same identification - again without sources -
is shown in Burke's Extinct Peerages. While this is chronologically
feasible, better support for this linkage would be desirable.
Peter Stewart
"Douglas Richardson" <royala...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:a74666cc-b1f8-4c48...@g13g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> Dear Newsgroup ~
>
> Complete Peerage, 10 (1945): 133, footnote b (sub Ormond) gives few
> details regarding Anne Butler, elder daughter and co-heiress of Sir
> Thomas Butler (or Ormond) (died 1515), 7th Earl of Ormond.
Of course it doesn't - since she didn't hold a peerage she wasn't directly
within the parameters of the work. Why on earth must you persist in this
absurd distortion of CP as if it was ever intended to be the genealogist's
sole point of reference for all relatives of medieval peers?
> Anne Butler was the maternal aunt and namesake of Queen Anne Boleyn,
> wife of King Henry VIII of England. Here are Complete Peerage's
> comments regarding Anne Butler:
<snip>
> Complete Peerage informs us that that Anne Butler, the elder daughter
> and co-heiress of her father, was "sometime" wife of Ambrose Griseacre
> and, that in 1485, she was then the wife of James St. Leger. She was
> allegedly aged 23 in 1485, which age is clearly an understatement.
Do you have an alternative source showing that she was born "clearly" before
1461/62?
> Research on my part indicates that Anne Butler's first husband was
> Ambrose Cresacre (or Grisacre), Esq., lawyer, Justice of the Peace for
> Yorkshire, West Riding, 1466, son of Percival Cresacre, of
> Barnborough, Yorkshire, by Alice, daughter of Thomas Mounteney.
> In 1468�9 he acquired four manors in Kent from Richard Scrope. He
> left a will dated 15 Sept. 1469, proved Oct. 1469 (P.C.C. 28 Godyn),
> requesting burial in the chapel of St. Thomas Acon, now called
> Mercer�s Chapel, Cheapside, London [see Testamenta Eboracensia, 4
> (Surtees Soc. 53) (1869): 227n.]. He and Anne had no issue.
Do you know how old Ambrose was when he made the will? According to the
editor it contains "many traces of a very unscrupulous professional life",
confessing "professional delinquencies", yet he bequeathed 10l each to his
father and mother suggestng that he may not have been very far into his
professional life. He was evidently married to Anne at the time since he
reportedly left a book to "Dame Ormonde, his wife's mother". But how do you
know Anne was not a child bride at the time?
> His widow, Anne, married (2nd) James Saint Leger (or Seintleger),
> Knt., of Annery (in Monkleigh), Devon, son of John Saint Leger,
> Esq., of Ulcombe, Kent, Sheriff of Kent, by Margery, daughter and
> heiress of James Donet. They had one son, George, Knt.
No, they had another son, James - if you had bothered to check the reference
provided in CP you would know that in 1519 Anne was granted license to found
a perpetual chantry in the church of St George Monklee, Devon, to pray
(amongst others) "for the souls of Sir Thomas Ormond, late earl of Ormond,
and lady Anne his wife (father and mother of the said Anne
Seyntleger)...James Seyntleger and Ambrose Griseacre, husbands of the said
Anne Seyntleger, and James Seyntleger, her son."
Once again, what is the point of dumping a plethora of sources onto the
newsgroup in order to pretend that you know more about some person than the
authors of CP if you can't be bothered looking up whatever is cited there
and actually reading it for yourself?
Peter Stewart
Douglas Richardson
In my post earlier today, I stated that Anne Butler, widow of Sir
James Saint Leger, was still living 25 Oct. 1531, when she presented
to the church of Littleham, Devon [see Notes & Gleanings 4 (1891):
97].
Since making my post, I've located a reference to inquisition post
mortem for Lady Anne Seintleger (also called Lady Anne St. Ledger) in
Somersetshire dated 24 Henry VIII [that is, 1532-1533]. This
reference may be viewed at the following weblink:
Given that Anne (Butler) Saint Leger was living as late as 1531, and
given that she held various manors in several counties, it seems a
good bet she is the Lady Anne Saint Leger whose inquisition post
mortem is dated 1532-1533.
Checking further, I further found that Oliver Ratcliff in his book,
History and Antiquities of the Newport Pagnell Hundreds (1900), pg.
259 specifically states that Anne (Butler) Saint Leger died 5 June
1532, and that her heir was returned as her grandson, John Saint
Leger. This information may be viewed at the following weblink:
The terminology "returned as her heir" suggests that Mr. Ratcliff
consulted at least one of Anne (Butler) Saint Leger's inquisitions,
although he does not cite the exact document he used for his
statement.
Lastly, Leo kindly contacted me offlist and corrected my statement
that Anne Butler was aunt to Queen Anne Boleyn. Leo correctly stated
Anne Butler was great aunt to the queen.
Douglas Richardson
The book, Worcestershire Taxes in the 1520s, by Michael A. Faraday
(published 2003) also states that Anne (Butler) Saint Leger died 5
June 1532, she owning at her death property in Cradley, Old Swinford,
Hagley, Stourbridge, etc, and in several other counties. Her heir was
her son. Sir George St. Leger, then aged 50. (L & P, iii(l), 160;
Complete Peerage, x, 132-3; ...
See the following weblink for this reference:
Douglas Richardson
I've looked at many secondary sources which concern Anne Butler (died
1532), wife of Ambrose Cresacre, Esq., and James Saint Leger, Knt.,
and the bulk of them name only her son and heir, Sir George Saint
Leger, and no other children.
The online genealogical database, Tudor Place, states that Anne Butler
and her 2nd husband, James Saint Leger, Knt., had six children:
1. George St. LEGER (Sir)
2. Anthony St. LEGER (b. 1468)
3. Robert St. LEGER (b. 1470)
4. Anne St. LEGER, wife of Jasper Horsey.
5. Thomas St. LEGER
6. James St. LEGER (d. 1532)
While Tudor Place provides no references, it usually is based on a
printed secondary source, which may or may not be reliable. In this
case, Tudor Place states that Anthony Saint Leger, the 2nd son above,
was born in 1468, which date is impossible. In my first post in this
thread, I gave evidence that Anthony Saint Leger's mother, Anne
Butler, was the wife of Ambrose Cresacre, Esq. until 1469.
Here is the weblink for the Tudor Place's database:
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STLEGER.htm#Anne St. LEGER5
Tudor Place traces the extended descendants of Anne Butler's son and
heir, Sir George Saint Leger.