Who was Robin Hood?

Merilyn Pedrick

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Oct 20, 2005, 8:29:18 PM10/20/05

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Last night on the ABC there was a programme about Robin Hood and his origins
It was hosted by Tony Robinson, who in a previous life had played Baldric
in something starring John Cleese I think.
There were several contenders, including one Fulk Fitz Warine. I'm
wondering which of the succession of that name I have in my database. Given
the timing, it would seem to be the one born about 1142, died 1198 whose
wife was Hawise de Dinan.
Can anyone cast any light on this?
Merilyn Pedrick
Aldgate, South Australia

Leo

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Oct 20, 2005, 9:56:07 PM10/20/05

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With Tony Robinson you are on _dangerous_ grounds. He did a twit of a job on
_the real Monarch of Britain lives in Australia_ Something he should be
ashamed of. But then he did "the Da Vinci code" and I thought he did it
well.

I have not seen the Robin Hood instalment but I always understood Robin Hood
to be fiction.
Best wishes
Leo

Merilyn Pedrick

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Oct 20, 2005, 10:17:01 PM10/20/05

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According to last night's programme he seems to be an amalgum of several
people plus a bit of "derring do" to spice the story up a bit. But some of
the people mentioned certainly seemed to have cause to be him. I wish I'd
written down all their names, but Fulk fitz Warine was one of them. He
seemed to think that it was set in Yorkshire, not Nottingham, during a time
when there was a Lancastrian uprising during the reign of Edward II.
Merilyn

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D. Spencer Hines

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Oct 21, 2005, 12:00:09 AM10/21/05

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"Sir Robin of Locksley"

Hilarious!

DSH

Ginny Wagner

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Oct 20, 2005, 11:49:48 PM10/20/05

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I couldn't resist this topic despite the fact my eyes are
blurring from reading and writing at the computer all day
... in Collectanea Topographica Genealogica, Volume VIII,
1843, pp 84-92 a man (and his family) named Sir Robert de
Gorram is explored.

"In addition to his seal already described (Coll. Top. V. p.
188, VI. 285) two others have been recently discovered which
present some curious variations, both in the name and the
device.

"The first of these seals is attached to a charter (K.2*.)
dated at the beginning of March 1226-7; being an exchange of
a tenement in Livare with Ralph Abbot of St. Michael's
Mount. It is singular that, in this charter, and in the
accompanying seal, he assumes the name of ROBIN instead of
ROBERT; -- for it is certain that there was no
_intermediate_ possessor of la Tanniere between Sir Ralph
and Sir Robert. The seal is imperfectly round, rather more
than 1 3/4 inches in diameter, and exhibits a shield charged
with two lions passant in pale; legend,

[Cross Tau] SIGILL' ROMINI DE GORRAN.

"The second seal of Sir Robert, which has already been
described (Coll. Top. V. p. 188, VI. 285), exhibits three
lions rampant; as in the seal of his brother Ralph, who
first assumed the family arms. Several impressions of this
seal exist, viz. to a deed (K.5.) dated 1235, of which there
are triplicate originals, -- to a charter (L.) dated in the
year just named, of which there are also triplicate
originals, -- and to a grant (L.2.) dated 1236.

"The third seal of Sir Robert was evidently a _Secretum_.
It occurs in 1236, attached to a petition (L.3.) that the
Bishop of Mans would annex his seal to the deed (L.2.)
above-mentioned. It is round, one inch in diameter, and
exhibits (without a shield) a lion passant to the sinister
side; legend,

[Cross Tau] S S ROB DE GORAN,

"the first S being reversed.

"We have thus the strange anomaly of two variations in the
name, and three changes in the armorial device, of the same
person."

Ginny Wagner

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Merilyn Pedrick

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Oct 21, 2005, 1:56:36 AM10/21/05

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No, he was ruled out - if he existed.
Merilyn

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Guy Etchells

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Oct 21, 2005, 3:46:35 AM10/21/05

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Robin Hood was a generic term for a robber in medieval times, there was
no single person attached to that name.
A search of records will reveal many Robin Hoods the length and breadth
of England, Nottingham has traded on the name for years and now
Doncaster & Wakefield are muscling in on the act.
Cheers
Guy

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Peter Stewart

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Oct 21, 2005, 4:07:12 AM10/21/05

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"Guy Etchells" <guy.et...@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:435898C...@virgin.net...

> Robin Hood was a generic term for a robber in medieval times, there was no
> single person attached to that name.
> A search of records will reveal many Robin Hoods the length and breadth of
> England, Nottingham has traded on the name for years and now Doncaster &
> Wakefield are muscling in on the act.

Yes, the punning generic term for a wayside thief concealing his face is
clear enough, as we might say today "Rob-in-balaclava". But the question
that interests Merilyn is more the other way round, not so much "Was there a
single person attached to the name Robin Hood?" but rather "Was the name
Robin Hood attached to a singular individual, who can be linked to other
figures and circumstances in the popular literature?"

By the way, the TV series in which Tony Robinson appeared as Baldric starred
Rowan Atkinson in the title role of "Blackadder".

Peter Stewart

Chris Phillips

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Oct 21, 2005, 4:44:35 AM10/21/05

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This program was shown in the UK some time ago, and was pretty poor, I
thought.

Part of it was based on a book by Graham Phillips, who describes himself on
his website as "a real-life Indiana Jones", and who has also written books
on the Holy Grail, King Arthur, psychic detection and so on.

The work of J. C. Holt (Robin Hood, 1982, rev. 1989) is much more scholarly.
Holt suggested that the romance of Fulk fitz Warin might have been one
element that contributed to the legend of Robin Hood. The Fulk in question
is the son of the one you mentioned, and died 1256-7.

Holt also discusses candidates for the historical Robin Hood at some length.
Another person who has done more recent work on this (which I haven't seen)
is David Crook.

Chris Phillips

Patrick

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Oct 21, 2005, 4:52:46 AM10/21/05

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"Merilyn Pedrick" <pedr...@ozemail.com.au> a écrit dans le message :
43583656.000005.03676@MERILYNS...

Identifying Robin Hood is complexified by the fact that during the 13-14 th
centuries
the outlaws were qualified as Robin or as little john according to the tales
well known at these times.
Nevertheles I find amazing that the Norman cousin of one Sherriff of
Nottingham Robert de Jorz (1300) were named Robin de Jort.
In the same manner a Robin Jost were hanged in Caen Normandy by the english
the 04.10.1420 as " engloys, brygant, pendu pour ses démerittes", translated
as "english, bandit,hanged for his disgrace"

Regards.