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"Rex" <r...@instructor.net> wrote in message
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canberra
However, just because you are Joe Bloggs the Bloggs coat-of-arms, how
beautiful and correct it might be, most of the time is not yours. They are
only too willing to find you a coat-of-arms as they expect you to pay for
that beautiful/superb picture they are willing to make for you.
Don't fall for it. Some kind person gave me a coat-of-arms because it was
the name of my mother (Cox) but we know it is not the coat-of-arms of my
family. In The Netherlands there are probably about five or six families by
the of Cox and they are not related to each other.
Save your money!!!
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Doug McDonald
canberra wrote:
>
> Their product may be superb, beautiful and even sometimnes correct.
> However, just because you are Joe Bloggs the Bloggs coat-of-arms, how
> beautiful and correct it might be, most of the time is not yours. They are
> only too willing to find you a coat-of-arms as they expect you to pay for
> that beautiful/superb picture they are willing to make for you.
> Don't fall for it.
In the US this is easily checked. If a coat of arms is "private" it will
be registered in the Trademark OFfice, just like, say, "Coca Cola" and
its
bottle shape. If it is not, anybody can use any coat of arms they take a
liking to. If you want it to be YOURS, you have to register it in the
Trademark Office.
If it is very old, almost certainly it long ago became public domain.
Doug McDonald
JKent...@aol.com
mcdo...@scs.uiuc.edu writes:
> If it is very old, almost certainly it long ago became public domain.
>
>
This sounds like a Bath, Ohio type scam. They probably will be glad to sell
you a beautifully done ancestry tree also that you can frame and hang right
beside "your" crest.
Jno
Renia
This is, of course, quite wrong. British coats of arms are and were granted to
individuals, and inheritable by their male descendants. The do not belong to
persons of a particular surname. Coats of arms are not in the public domain, and
have nothing to do with trademarks. If a person in America (or anywhere else)
does not descend in the male line from a British individual who was granted a
coat of arms, then that person in America (or anywhere else) has no right to a
coat of arms.
Renia
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> If a person in America (or anywhere else)
> does not descend in the male line from a British individual who was granted a
> coat of arms, then that person in America (or anywhere else) has no right to a
> coat of arms.
This is not correct. They certainly have no right to use or
display them in Britain, but British heraldic law is not in force
in America (you remember, the 1783 Treaty of Paris and all
that). Here you have the right to display or use any kind of
graphical representation you want, as long as it's not an
official Trademark. You have no business doing it, but you do
have the right to do it (just as you have the right to commit
numerous other idiocies no self-respecting person would do).
taf
Renia
Renia
John Ruch
of an individual, other individuals have the inalienable right
to laugh at said individual.
John
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Arthur Murata
above criticism,, after all?), I would suggest that
Americans would bristle over anyone telling them what they
do or do not have the *right* to call their own. The war of
independence was fought over many things, but primary over
the other grievances was the Proclamation of 1763 from the
British Crown that forbade the colonists from crossing into
Native American countries west of the Appalachian Mountains
and then installing a military detail in the very homes of
the colonists to enforce it.
The sense of American entitlement is famous. Americans may
not have the right to one or another object or entitlement,
but they THINK they do because they THINK they own the
world. If they simply call it "protecting American
interests" they feel justified in doing whatever they feel
like doing in order to get what they want if it happens to
belong to someone else. Of course, there was a period in
British history when that empire was at least as guilty of
this as America...
Today, however, it is taking your life in your hands to
tell almost any "white" male American and a good many women
as well that there are some doors that are closed to them -
among them legitimate claims to peerages or coats of arms
that were borne by someone with the same surname. There is
a handfull of legitimate peers and people with the actual
entitlement to coats of arms who do live in America, but
their surname is not what they use to justify their claim;
they merely live here (as in the late Lord Ormond).
So telling Americans that the coats of arms are fictions or
authentic (but belonging to someone else, or extinct) is
like a rather futile task. Just wait until they get
overseas and try to claim it....then all of your
frustration will be rewarded as they are told.....no.
Best, Bronwen Edwards who is not entitled to a coat of arms
nor to a Scottish clan badge in spite of being descended
from all kinds of people who were.
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grandfather. I approached the American College of Heraldry. They explained
how they could help in the research and also the rights and wrongs of it.
Below is from their website....
THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF HERALDRY
http://users.aol.com/ballywoodn/acheraldry.html
A large and rapidly growing number of Americans rightfully bear coats of
arms. Many of these were granted, certified, registered or otherwise
recognized by armorial authorities abroad, and a sizable number of these
have been registered by their owners with The American College of Heraldry.
In addition, the College has assisted many persons in designing a new coat
of arms for their use which is then properly registered and published. An
increasing number of corporate bodies have also acquired coats of arms which
they display on armorial flags and in place of the less distinctive logo
which is so rapidly outdated in terms of artistic style and
structure....They seldom understand that a coat of arms is usually granted,
certified, registered or otherwise recognized as belonging to one individual
alone, and that only his direct descendants with proven lineage can be
recognized as eligible to inherit the arms. Exceptions to this rule are
rare. It is highly inappropriate for one to locate the arms of another
person sharing the same surname, and to simply adopt and use these arms as
one's own. In order to properly claim the right to existing arms, one should
approach an office of arms offering genealogical proof of proper kinship,
and to receive confirmation of the right to bear the arms and thus to be
recognized by the heraldic community as legitimately bearing the
arms........The notorious "Coat of arms for the Name of Jones, Smith, or
whatever," purchasable by mail order or in one's local department store,
represents no more than improper and illegitimate armorial bearings. To buy
and bear these commercially produced arms is to claim for oneself a direct
kinship which has only the most remote possibility of validity, and is
thereby to deny one's own legitimate and rightful line of descent. Such
infraction of armorial regulation and custom constitutes a flagrant abuse of
arms which no knowledgeable and honorable person would intentionally commit.
Becky T.
ttg...@home.com
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF HERALDRY
> http://users.aol.com/ballywoodn/acheraldry.html
> A large and rapidly growing number of Americans rightfully bear coats of
> arms. Many of these were granted, certified, registered or otherwise
> recognized by armorial authorities abroad, and a sizable number of these
> have been registered by their owners with The American College of Heraldry.
This American College of Heraldry has the same legal authority as
the International Star Registry, which names stars for people -
their material is even recorded in the US copyright office (which
simply means they put it in a book). In other words, none
whatsoever.
Let's not devolve into discussing the American character.
taf
Arthur Murata
--- "The Thill Group, Inc." <ttg...@home.com> wrote:
> When I was exploring if there were coats of arms for my
> 7th and 8th great
> grandfather. I approached the American College of
> Heraldry. They explained
> how they could help in the research and also the rights
> and wrongs of it.
> Below is from their website....
>
that some individuals can prove a claim to a legitimate
coat of arms from another country (not all of them
European) and, upon doing so (and paying for it) gain the
right to bear them - just as the legitimate heir to a peer
may be found to be living somewhere other than their home
country - but a private organization is a far cry from a
governmental office. If someone wants to create their own
with the help of this organization, why not dress up and
have fun at the same time; the Society for Creative
Anachronism even "elects" its own kings and queens. <:|
Bronwen
The Thill Group, Inc.
They said your line had to be proven back to the relationship in Europe who
had the rights and brought forward. With their help, you submitted the
information, it would be researched over there in that country and if it was
valid it would be approved. It was not a simple process and it was not
cheap. Also the American College of Heraldry says they are the only one in
America that have the connections to do so and to assist in getting it
done...
Saying all that... It don't mean squat if it is bogus but they seem to have
a really well done gimmick if they are not. I personally didn't go any
further.
Becky T.
Dolly Ziegler
> (snip) If someone wants to create their own with the help of this
> organization [American College of Heraldry], why not dress up and have
> fun at the same time; the Society for Creative Anachronism even
> "elects" its own kings and queens. <:| Bronwen
Good point, Bronwen. Even better, skip the "American College of Heraldry"
which sounds like a money-making group. The Society for Creative
Anachronism has its own heralds who will aid members in designing their
own arms. <www.sca.org/>
Cheers, Dolly in Maryland
Doug McDonald
Arthur Murata wrote:
>
> -
> >
> What on earth is the American College of Heraldry?
OFF TOPIC that's what
Arthur Murata
soon as they claimed to have the exclusive connection to
something, ANYthing. These people are conning Americans
(and probably descendants of immigrants to Australia,
Canada, New Zealand, SOuth Africa, etc.) who feel alienated
and disconnected,
Many immigrants (not just from EUrope) to the U.S. thought
they were doing their children a favor by making them speak
English only (if they were non-English speaking in their
homeland) and telling them that they were only Americans,
nothing more (or less). In fact, they did them an unwitting
disservice - as most of us know today, biculturalism and
bilingualism are preferable to isolationism. What happened,
of course,in the U.S. is that the grandchildren or
great-grandchildren turned to their immigrant ancestors if
they were fortunate enough to still have them and begged to
know who they were IN ADDITION TO being "just Americans".
And entire swindling industry grew up around such people to
relieve them of their money in exchange for giving them
some very general overview of the history of their surname
that can be found in any library or bookstore and providing
a coat of arms that was once borne by someone of the same
surname. My Japanese-American husband even gets junk mail
from these swindlers offering to look up his
Irish/Scottish/English ancestors and find "his" coat of
arms. His mother's high-status family in Japan may have had
a coat of arms at one point, while his farming father's
family probably never did. But they would be Japanese
crests, not British!
All of us like to believe that we are too smart to get
conned but the fact is that if a con-man finds the spot in
your heart that is empty and needy, every one of us can be
conned. Those who post to genealogy sites are looking for
alienated expatriots or descendants of same in order to
take advantage of that neediness. They probably picked the
wrong site in this case, however, because most posters to
this group are pretty well grounded in who they are and
many are professional genealogists.
Please don't take my response to your posting personally,
as directed at you. It was not. It was directed at these
con-artists who want your money. Good thoughts, Bronwen
Edwards
--- "The Thill Group, Inc." <ttg...@home.com> wrote:
The Thill Group, Inc.
further..
Bigger fish to fry.
Still wonder why he used the Wynn of Tower on his ring he used to seal.
Becky T.
ttg...@home.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arthur Murata" <lostc...@yahoo.com>
To: "The Thill Group, Inc." <ttg...@home.com>;
<GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Beautiful Oil Painting of your Family Crest
> No slap intended. But the red flag would go up for me as
<snip>.