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Brad Verity
Nov 24, 2013, 2:49:54 AM11/24/13
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Simon Poland is a British character actor who has appeared on stage, film, and television. He is not a star by any means, but seems to have a solid career as a working actor:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0688857/
The only reason I've focused on him is that he is the most public figure amongst his siblings, who have very interesting ancestry behind each of their parents. Simon's father is John Michael Poland (born 23 May 1925) who married 1952 (divorce 1983), Diana Mary Angela Forbes O'Connor. I cannot uncover a birthdate for Diana. She is not in the BirthMarriageDeath Index for England & Wales, so she must've been born elsewhere, almost certainly Australia.
Simon, his parents, siblings, and Poland uncles, aunts & cousins, all appear in Burke's Peerage 107th Edition (2003), p. 3709 (sub Stafford). BP is not very up-to-date on these Polands. Though Simon is unmarried, several of his siblings and cousins have marriages and children that can be found in the BMD Index for England & Wales, most of which BP has not carried forward. A bit of a shame, as Simon and his Poland relations are descendants of Charles II.
The first Polands to arrive in England were two German brothers, Peter Raymond Pohland (1760-1827) and Johann Georg Pohland (1764-1816). They were from a long line of furriers based in Hof in Bavaria, and each brother established a successful fur business in London in the 1780s:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/POLING/2000-12/0976023902
Johann Georg, his name Anglicized to John George Poland, established his business in the Marylebone district of London, and Poland Street, a small street in SoHo off of Oxford Street, derives its name from the family furrier business. Henry Gordon Poland (1857-1926), a great-grandson of John George, joined Lloyds of London as an insurance underwriter, and Henry's male descendants, including Simon's father John and his father's brothers, have all had careers in underwriting, and with the firm of Lloyds in particular.
Peter Poland (b. 1923), still going strong at age 90 in South Africa, is an author of several WWII-related books, and has posted a very interesting one-page autobiography for Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/Peter-Poland/e/B0054YGNVC
He mentions his relationship to the Barons Stafford, and touches on how, for the first three years of his life, his mother was the heiress presumptive to her three unmarried Fitzherbert uncles. It's interesting to think that the ancient barony of Stafford came close to passing down to the Poland family, at least until the youngest Fitzherbert uncle married and fathered two sons in 1926 and 1928, insuring the male line into the next generation.
Leo doesn't have actor Simon Poland or his parents in his database, but he does have Simon's author uncle, Peter Poland, here;
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00522001&tree=LEO
Simon's eleven-generation descent from Charles II, is as follows.
Charles II = Barbara Villiers, Duchess of Cleveland, and had
1) Lady Charlotte FitzRoy, illegit. (1664-1718) m. Edward Lee, 1st Earl of Lichfield (1663-1716, descended from Edward III), and had
2) George Henry Lee, 2nd Earl of Lichfield (1690-1743) m. Frances Hales (c.1698-1769, descended from Edward III), and had
3) Lady Charlotte Lee (1720-1794) m. Henry, 11th Viscount Dillon of Costello-Gallen (1705-1787, descended from Edward III), and had
4) Hon. Frances Dillon (1747-1825) m. Sir William Jerningham, 6th Baronet of Costessey (1736-1809, descended from Edward III), and had
5) George Stafford-Jerningham, 2nd Baron Stafford (1771-1851) m. 1) Frances Henrietta Sulyard (1777-1832, descended from Edward III), and had
6) Hon. Edward Stafford-Jerningham (1804-1849) m. Marianne Smythe (c.1806-1859, descended from Edward IV), and had
7) Emily Charlotte Stafford-Jerningham (1835-1881) m. Basil Thomas Fitzherbert of Swynnerton Park (1836-1919, descended from Edward III), and had
8) Hon. Beatrice Mary Teresa Fitzherbert (1862-1949) m. Sir Trevor John Chichele-Plowden (1846-1905, descended from Edward I), and had
9) Hester Mary Beatrice Chichele-Plowden (1902-1993) m. Kenneth Gordon Poland (1896-1970), and had
10) John Michael Poland (b. 1925) m. (div.) Diana Mary Angela Forbes O'Connor (descended from Henry VII), and had
11) Simon John Joseph Poland (b. 1957), British stage, screen, & voiceover actor
Though Simon Poland and his parents are new to Leo's database Genealogics, they do appear in Burke's Peerage, the above line is easily traced through the Stafford article, and isn't groundbreaking in any sense.
Simon's mother's ancestry, however, is equally fascinating, and contains far more surprises. It includes an Irish convict transported to Western Australia (where he became a real estate tycoon), a descent from Henry VII overlooked by Ruvigny, a mistress of James II of Britain, a circumnavigating admiral cousin of Lord Byron, a clergyman's wife with a (relatively rare) descent from Henry IV, and many lines of descent from Edward III not yet in Genealogics, The Peerage, or the Roglo online databases. It also, for awhile, seemed like it would include Pocahontas, but that, disappointingly, turned out to be a false line.
As it's getting late now, I'll hopefully make a follow-up post tomorrow.
Cheers, -----Brad
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0688857/
The only reason I've focused on him is that he is the most public figure amongst his siblings, who have very interesting ancestry behind each of their parents. Simon's father is John Michael Poland (born 23 May 1925) who married 1952 (divorce 1983), Diana Mary Angela Forbes O'Connor. I cannot uncover a birthdate for Diana. She is not in the BirthMarriageDeath Index for England & Wales, so she must've been born elsewhere, almost certainly Australia.
Simon, his parents, siblings, and Poland uncles, aunts & cousins, all appear in Burke's Peerage 107th Edition (2003), p. 3709 (sub Stafford). BP is not very up-to-date on these Polands. Though Simon is unmarried, several of his siblings and cousins have marriages and children that can be found in the BMD Index for England & Wales, most of which BP has not carried forward. A bit of a shame, as Simon and his Poland relations are descendants of Charles II.
The first Polands to arrive in England were two German brothers, Peter Raymond Pohland (1760-1827) and Johann Georg Pohland (1764-1816). They were from a long line of furriers based in Hof in Bavaria, and each brother established a successful fur business in London in the 1780s:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/POLING/2000-12/0976023902
Johann Georg, his name Anglicized to John George Poland, established his business in the Marylebone district of London, and Poland Street, a small street in SoHo off of Oxford Street, derives its name from the family furrier business. Henry Gordon Poland (1857-1926), a great-grandson of John George, joined Lloyds of London as an insurance underwriter, and Henry's male descendants, including Simon's father John and his father's brothers, have all had careers in underwriting, and with the firm of Lloyds in particular.
Peter Poland (b. 1923), still going strong at age 90 in South Africa, is an author of several WWII-related books, and has posted a very interesting one-page autobiography for Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/Peter-Poland/e/B0054YGNVC
He mentions his relationship to the Barons Stafford, and touches on how, for the first three years of his life, his mother was the heiress presumptive to her three unmarried Fitzherbert uncles. It's interesting to think that the ancient barony of Stafford came close to passing down to the Poland family, at least until the youngest Fitzherbert uncle married and fathered two sons in 1926 and 1928, insuring the male line into the next generation.
Leo doesn't have actor Simon Poland or his parents in his database, but he does have Simon's author uncle, Peter Poland, here;
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00522001&tree=LEO
Simon's eleven-generation descent from Charles II, is as follows.
Charles II = Barbara Villiers, Duchess of Cleveland, and had
1) Lady Charlotte FitzRoy, illegit. (1664-1718) m. Edward Lee, 1st Earl of Lichfield (1663-1716, descended from Edward III), and had
2) George Henry Lee, 2nd Earl of Lichfield (1690-1743) m. Frances Hales (c.1698-1769, descended from Edward III), and had
3) Lady Charlotte Lee (1720-1794) m. Henry, 11th Viscount Dillon of Costello-Gallen (1705-1787, descended from Edward III), and had
4) Hon. Frances Dillon (1747-1825) m. Sir William Jerningham, 6th Baronet of Costessey (1736-1809, descended from Edward III), and had
5) George Stafford-Jerningham, 2nd Baron Stafford (1771-1851) m. 1) Frances Henrietta Sulyard (1777-1832, descended from Edward III), and had
6) Hon. Edward Stafford-Jerningham (1804-1849) m. Marianne Smythe (c.1806-1859, descended from Edward IV), and had
7) Emily Charlotte Stafford-Jerningham (1835-1881) m. Basil Thomas Fitzherbert of Swynnerton Park (1836-1919, descended from Edward III), and had
8) Hon. Beatrice Mary Teresa Fitzherbert (1862-1949) m. Sir Trevor John Chichele-Plowden (1846-1905, descended from Edward I), and had
9) Hester Mary Beatrice Chichele-Plowden (1902-1993) m. Kenneth Gordon Poland (1896-1970), and had
10) John Michael Poland (b. 1925) m. (div.) Diana Mary Angela Forbes O'Connor (descended from Henry VII), and had
11) Simon John Joseph Poland (b. 1957), British stage, screen, & voiceover actor
Though Simon Poland and his parents are new to Leo's database Genealogics, they do appear in Burke's Peerage, the above line is easily traced through the Stafford article, and isn't groundbreaking in any sense.
Simon's mother's ancestry, however, is equally fascinating, and contains far more surprises. It includes an Irish convict transported to Western Australia (where he became a real estate tycoon), a descent from Henry VII overlooked by Ruvigny, a mistress of James II of Britain, a circumnavigating admiral cousin of Lord Byron, a clergyman's wife with a (relatively rare) descent from Henry IV, and many lines of descent from Edward III not yet in Genealogics, The Peerage, or the Roglo online databases. It also, for awhile, seemed like it would include Pocahontas, but that, disappointingly, turned out to be a false line.
As it's getting late now, I'll hopefully make a follow-up post tomorrow.
Cheers, -----Brad
Olivier
Nov 24, 2013, 2:45:33 PM11/24/13
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Here you have a message from Paul Theroff
http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/index.html
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.Hester Mary Beatrice Plowden (13 Aug 1902-1993); m.5 Sep 1922 Kenneth Gordon Poland (4 Nov 1896-1973)
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.Trevor Peter Gordon Poland, b.24 Jul 1923; m.1st 1944 June Bowlby (d.1969); m.2d 1969 Lorette Durr
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.1.Peter Kenneth Poland, b.6 Sep 1945; m.1st 1979 Anna Braybrooke; m.2nd 2003 Mrs Harriet James, née Benians
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.1.1.Katherine Jill Poland, b.1979
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.2.Jill Poland, b.20 Jan 1948; m.1974 Simon Charles Fisher
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.2.1.Charles Hercules Fisher, b.1975
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.2.2.Jessica Rose Fisher, b.1976; m.2000 Ronan McCarthy
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.2.3.Elizabeth Augusta Fisher, b.1980
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.2.4.Harriet June Fisher, b.1983
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.3.Sophie Victoria Poland, b.1982
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.John Michael Poland, b.23 May 1925; m.1952 (div 1983) Diana O'Connor
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.1.Simon John Joseph Poland, b.1957
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.2.Jonathan David Poland, b.1958; m.1997 Gordana Toplak
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.3.Matthew John Poland, b.1963
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.4.Sara Daphne Mary Poland, b.1954
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.5.Lucy Mary Poland, b.1959; m.1987 Chandos Elletson
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.5.1.Frederick Chandos John Elletson, b.1990
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.5.2.Harry Leo Hope Elletson, b.1996
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.5.3.Arthur Daniel Elletson, b.2001
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.David Kenneth Poland (9 Jul 1929-1982); m.1st 1958 (div 1967) Joanna Hall; m.2d 1967 Isie Esselin
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.1.Kevin John Poland, b.1959; m.1993 Jane Allison Hall
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.1.1.George Henry Peter Poland, b.1996
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.1.2.Eleanor Phoebe Jane Poland, b.1999
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.2.Jeremy David Poland, b.1961; m.1996 Sarah Winnifred Lesley
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.2.1.Rupert Oliver Poland, b.1997
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.2.2.Angus Benjamin Poland, b.1999
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.3.Caroline Mary Poland, b.1969; m.1996 Stefan Hans Xaver Seitz
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.3.1.Nicolas James Seitz, b.1998
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.Michael Desmond Poland, b.9 Aug 1937; m.1st 1969 (div 1980) Elizabeth Asprey; m.2d 1981 Carolyn Longmore
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.1.Lara Hester Mary Poland, b.1969; m.1997 William Sussmann
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.1.1.Freddie Sussmann, b.2001
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.1.2.Harry Sussmann, b.2004
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.1.3.Annie Sussmann, b.1998
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.1.4.Samuel Sussmann, b.2008
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.2.Emma Elizabeth Poland, b.1970; m.1st 1999 (div 2002) Hugh Michael Stewart Preece; m.2nd 2005 Stefan Oberholzer
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.2.1.Joshua Oberholzer, b.2005
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.2.2.Oliver Oberholzer, b.2005
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.3.Liza Evelyne Theresa Poland, b.1973; m.2000 Miles Heathfield
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.3.1.Frank Heathfield, b.2002
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.3.2.Arthur Heathfield, b.2005
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.3.3.Albert Heathfield, b.2008
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.4.Anna Louise Poland, b.1974
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.Daphne Elizabeth Beatrice Poland, b.8 Sep 1933; m.1960 Edward Thorneycroft (d.2000)
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.1.Tom Edward Thorneycroft, b.22 Apr 1962; m.2001 Joanna Turvill
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.1.1.Hector Edward Thorneycroft, b.2002
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.1.2.Lara Kitty Thorneycroft,b .2003
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.1.3.Freddie Robert Thorneycroft, b.2006
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.2.Mary Louise Thorneycroft, b.18 Mar 1961; m.1985 Jeremy Campbell-Lamerton
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.2.1.Harry Alexander Campbell-Lamerton, b.10 Jan 1987
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.2.2.Alice Louisa Campbell-Lamerton, b.24 Sep 1988
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.2.3.Olivia Rose Campbell-Lamerton, b.12 Jul 1990
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.2.4.Poppy Camilla Campbell-Lamerton, b.11 Feb 1993
http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/index.html
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.Hester Mary Beatrice Plowden (13 Aug 1902-1993); m.5 Sep 1922 Kenneth Gordon Poland (4 Nov 1896-1973)
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.Trevor Peter Gordon Poland, b.24 Jul 1923; m.1st 1944 June Bowlby (d.1969); m.2d 1969 Lorette Durr
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.1.Peter Kenneth Poland, b.6 Sep 1945; m.1st 1979 Anna Braybrooke; m.2nd 2003 Mrs Harriet James, née Benians
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.1.1.Katherine Jill Poland, b.1979
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.2.Jill Poland, b.20 Jan 1948; m.1974 Simon Charles Fisher
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.2.1.Charles Hercules Fisher, b.1975
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.2.2.Jessica Rose Fisher, b.1976; m.2000 Ronan McCarthy
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.2.3.Elizabeth Augusta Fisher, b.1980
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.2.4.Harriet June Fisher, b.1983
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.3.Sophie Victoria Poland, b.1982
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.John Michael Poland, b.23 May 1925; m.1952 (div 1983) Diana O'Connor
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.1.Simon John Joseph Poland, b.1957
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.2.Jonathan David Poland, b.1958; m.1997 Gordana Toplak
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.3.Matthew John Poland, b.1963
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.4.Sara Daphne Mary Poland, b.1954
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.5.Lucy Mary Poland, b.1959; m.1987 Chandos Elletson
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.5.1.Frederick Chandos John Elletson, b.1990
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.5.2.Harry Leo Hope Elletson, b.1996
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.2.5.3.Arthur Daniel Elletson, b.2001
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.David Kenneth Poland (9 Jul 1929-1982); m.1st 1958 (div 1967) Joanna Hall; m.2d 1967 Isie Esselin
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.1.Kevin John Poland, b.1959; m.1993 Jane Allison Hall
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.1.1.George Henry Peter Poland, b.1996
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.1.2.Eleanor Phoebe Jane Poland, b.1999
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.2.Jeremy David Poland, b.1961; m.1996 Sarah Winnifred Lesley
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.2.1.Rupert Oliver Poland, b.1997
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.2.2.Angus Benjamin Poland, b.1999
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.3.Caroline Mary Poland, b.1969; m.1996 Stefan Hans Xaver Seitz
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.3.3.1.Nicolas James Seitz, b.1998
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.Michael Desmond Poland, b.9 Aug 1937; m.1st 1969 (div 1980) Elizabeth Asprey; m.2d 1981 Carolyn Longmore
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.1.Lara Hester Mary Poland, b.1969; m.1997 William Sussmann
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.1.1.Freddie Sussmann, b.2001
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.1.2.Harry Sussmann, b.2004
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.1.3.Annie Sussmann, b.1998
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.1.4.Samuel Sussmann, b.2008
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.2.Emma Elizabeth Poland, b.1970; m.1st 1999 (div 2002) Hugh Michael Stewart Preece; m.2nd 2005 Stefan Oberholzer
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.2.1.Joshua Oberholzer, b.2005
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.2.2.Oliver Oberholzer, b.2005
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.3.Liza Evelyne Theresa Poland, b.1973; m.2000 Miles Heathfield
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.3.1.Frank Heathfield, b.2002
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.3.2.Arthur Heathfield, b.2005
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.3.3.Albert Heathfield, b.2008
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.4.4.Anna Louise Poland, b.1974
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.Daphne Elizabeth Beatrice Poland, b.8 Sep 1933; m.1960 Edward Thorneycroft (d.2000)
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.1.Tom Edward Thorneycroft, b.22 Apr 1962; m.2001 Joanna Turvill
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.1.1.Hector Edward Thorneycroft, b.2002
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.1.2.Lara Kitty Thorneycroft,b .2003
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.1.3.Freddie Robert Thorneycroft, b.2006
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.2.Mary Louise Thorneycroft, b.18 Mar 1961; m.1985 Jeremy Campbell-Lamerton
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.2.1.Harry Alexander Campbell-Lamerton, b.10 Jan 1987
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.2.2.Alice Louisa Campbell-Lamerton, b.24 Sep 1988
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.2.3.Olivia Rose Campbell-Lamerton, b.12 Jul 1990
2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.5.2.4.Poppy Camilla Campbell-Lamerton, b.11 Feb 1993
Brad Verity
Nov 24, 2013, 3:33:19 PM11/24/13
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On Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:45:33 AM UTC-8, Olivier wrote:
> Here you have a message from Paul Theroff
> http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/index.html
Dear Olivier,
> Here you have a message from Paul Theroff
> http://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/index.html
Many thanks to you and to Paul Theroff. He is much more up-to-date on the Polands than Burke's Peerage. Is Paul in contact with the family for this information? For example, I didn't have the marriage of Simon's brother Jonathan to Gordana Toplak - it's not in the BMD Index for England & Wales.
At any rate, this saves me a lot of work combing through that BMD Index on my own - this will make the research on the current generations so much easier.
Thanks again - much appreciated!!
Cheers, ----Brad
Brad Verity
Nov 24, 2013, 6:32:40 PM11/24/13
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On Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:49:54 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
> Simon's mother's ancestry, however, is equally fascinating, and contains far more surprises. It includes an Irish convict transported to Western Australia (where he became a real estate tycoon), a descent from Henry VII overlooked by Ruvigny...
To be fair, rather than overlooking it, it's more likely that Ruvigny simply published his Tudor Roll volume too soon to include the Moore/Byron marriage discussed below.
Diana O'Connor, the mother of actor Simon Poland, is not currently in Leo's database, but her parents are. Diana is the daughter of Leo Forbes O'Connor of Cottesloe (a suburb of Perth in Western Australia), born 1900 at Perth, and died 23 January 1958 at St John of God Hospital, Perth. He married 24 February 1930 in England, Daphne Mary Byron (born 13 June 1909 at Birstall, Leicestershire, died February 1989 in Surrey).
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307026&tree=LEO
Diana's paternal O'Connor ancestry is very interesting. Her paternal grandparents were Michael O'Connor (born 11 November 1865 at Newcastle [Toodyay], Western Australia; died 6 July 1940), a physician in Perth who entered politics, and was a Member Western Australian Legislative Assembly 1901-1904:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O'Connor_(Australian_politician)
Dr Michael O'Connor married 1896 at Perth, Beatrice Margaret Mary Forbes (born 1871 at Colchester, Essex, died 3 December 1905 at Akarana, Adelaide Terrace, Perth), daughter of Charles Doyly Forbes, son of James Villiers Forbes, son in turn of Gen. Thomas John Forbes. These names sound very posh, but I've been unable to place them in the baronial Forbes family of Scotland.
Dr O'Connor was the son Daniel Connor (1831-1898), from County Kerry in Ireland, convicted of stealing sheep in 1850, and transported to Western Australia, where he eventually became one of the largest landowners in central Perth, with an estate valued at over £76000 at his death:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Connor
Though there are no obvious royal ancestors in Diana's paternal O'Connor ancestry, this is more than made up for in her maternal ancestry. Her mother was a sister of the 11th Baron Byron of Rochdale. Diana's maternal grandmother, Sylvia Mary Moore, appears in Ruvigny's 'Tudor Roll' (1903) volume on p. 486 as #33589. Ruvigny doesn't include Sylvia's marriage to Wilfrid Byron, understandably, as it took place just two years prior to the book's publication. Diana O'Connor derives her Henry VII descent from her maternal grandmother Sylvia and the Moores of Appleby Hall. Since Leo doesn't have it in his database (though he will once he connects up Generations 13 & 14 below), the full 17-generation descent for Diana O'Connor from Henry VII is as follows.
Henry VII had a dau
1) Princess Mary Tudor (1496-1533) m. 2) Charles Brandon, 1st Duke of Suffolk (c.1483-1545, descended from Edward I), and had
2) Lady Eleanor Brandon (1519-1547) m. Henry Clifford, 2nd Earl of Cumberland (c.1517-1570, descended from Edward III), and had
3) Lady Margaret Clifford (1540-1596) m. Henry Stanley, 4th Earl of Derby (1531-1593, descended from Edward III), and had
4) William Stanley, 6th Earl of Derby (1561-1642) m. Lady Elizabeth de Vere (1575-1627, descended from Edward I), and had
5) James Stanley, 7th Earl of Derby (1606-1651) m. Charlotte de la Trémoille (1599-1664, descended from Edward I), and had
6) Lady Amelia Ann Sophia Stanley (1633-1703) m. John Murray, 1st Marquess of Atholl (1631-1703, descended from James IV of Scotland), and had
7) John Murray, 1st Duke of Atholl (1660-1724) m. 1) Lady Katherine Hamilton (1662-1707, descended from James IV of Scotland), and had
8) Lady Anna Susan Murray (1699-1725) m. William Gordon, 2nd Earl of Aberdeen (1679-1745, descended from James I of Scotland), and had
9) Lady Katharine Gordon (1718-1779) m. 1) Cosmo George, 3rd Duke of Gordon (1720-1752, descended from James IV of Scotland), and had
10) Lady Susan Gordon (1746-1814) m. 1) John Fane, 9th Earl of Westmorland (1728-1774, descended from Edward III), and had
11) Lady Susan Fane (1768-1793) m. John Drummond, 5th Laird of Megginch Castle (1754-1835, descended from James II of Scotland), and had
12) Susan Drummond (1793-1813) m. George Moore of Appleby House (1778-1827), and had
13) George Moore of Appleby Hall (1811-1871) m. 2) Isabel Clara Holden (1810-1867, descended from Henry IV), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00136380&tree=LEO
14) Rev. Charles Thomas Moore of Appleby (1847-1924) m. Mabel Charlotte Byron (1853-1926, descended from Edward III), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307004&tree=LEO
15) Sylvia Mary Moore (1880-1952) m. Col. Wilfrid Byron (1871-1936, descended from Edward III), and had
16) Daphne Mary Byron (1909-1989) m. Leo Forbes O'Connor of Cottesloe (1900-1958), and had
17) Diana Mary Angela Forbes O'Connor, mother of British actor Simon Poland
Cheers, -----Brad
> Simon's mother's ancestry, however, is equally fascinating, and contains far more surprises. It includes an Irish convict transported to Western Australia (where he became a real estate tycoon), a descent from Henry VII overlooked by Ruvigny...
To be fair, rather than overlooking it, it's more likely that Ruvigny simply published his Tudor Roll volume too soon to include the Moore/Byron marriage discussed below.
Diana O'Connor, the mother of actor Simon Poland, is not currently in Leo's database, but her parents are. Diana is the daughter of Leo Forbes O'Connor of Cottesloe (a suburb of Perth in Western Australia), born 1900 at Perth, and died 23 January 1958 at St John of God Hospital, Perth. He married 24 February 1930 in England, Daphne Mary Byron (born 13 June 1909 at Birstall, Leicestershire, died February 1989 in Surrey).
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307026&tree=LEO
Diana's paternal O'Connor ancestry is very interesting. Her paternal grandparents were Michael O'Connor (born 11 November 1865 at Newcastle [Toodyay], Western Australia; died 6 July 1940), a physician in Perth who entered politics, and was a Member Western Australian Legislative Assembly 1901-1904:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_O'Connor_(Australian_politician)
Dr Michael O'Connor married 1896 at Perth, Beatrice Margaret Mary Forbes (born 1871 at Colchester, Essex, died 3 December 1905 at Akarana, Adelaide Terrace, Perth), daughter of Charles Doyly Forbes, son of James Villiers Forbes, son in turn of Gen. Thomas John Forbes. These names sound very posh, but I've been unable to place them in the baronial Forbes family of Scotland.
Dr O'Connor was the son Daniel Connor (1831-1898), from County Kerry in Ireland, convicted of stealing sheep in 1850, and transported to Western Australia, where he eventually became one of the largest landowners in central Perth, with an estate valued at over £76000 at his death:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Connor
Though there are no obvious royal ancestors in Diana's paternal O'Connor ancestry, this is more than made up for in her maternal ancestry. Her mother was a sister of the 11th Baron Byron of Rochdale. Diana's maternal grandmother, Sylvia Mary Moore, appears in Ruvigny's 'Tudor Roll' (1903) volume on p. 486 as #33589. Ruvigny doesn't include Sylvia's marriage to Wilfrid Byron, understandably, as it took place just two years prior to the book's publication. Diana O'Connor derives her Henry VII descent from her maternal grandmother Sylvia and the Moores of Appleby Hall. Since Leo doesn't have it in his database (though he will once he connects up Generations 13 & 14 below), the full 17-generation descent for Diana O'Connor from Henry VII is as follows.
Henry VII had a dau
1) Princess Mary Tudor (1496-1533) m. 2) Charles Brandon, 1st Duke of Suffolk (c.1483-1545, descended from Edward I), and had
2) Lady Eleanor Brandon (1519-1547) m. Henry Clifford, 2nd Earl of Cumberland (c.1517-1570, descended from Edward III), and had
3) Lady Margaret Clifford (1540-1596) m. Henry Stanley, 4th Earl of Derby (1531-1593, descended from Edward III), and had
4) William Stanley, 6th Earl of Derby (1561-1642) m. Lady Elizabeth de Vere (1575-1627, descended from Edward I), and had
5) James Stanley, 7th Earl of Derby (1606-1651) m. Charlotte de la Trémoille (1599-1664, descended from Edward I), and had
6) Lady Amelia Ann Sophia Stanley (1633-1703) m. John Murray, 1st Marquess of Atholl (1631-1703, descended from James IV of Scotland), and had
7) John Murray, 1st Duke of Atholl (1660-1724) m. 1) Lady Katherine Hamilton (1662-1707, descended from James IV of Scotland), and had
8) Lady Anna Susan Murray (1699-1725) m. William Gordon, 2nd Earl of Aberdeen (1679-1745, descended from James I of Scotland), and had
9) Lady Katharine Gordon (1718-1779) m. 1) Cosmo George, 3rd Duke of Gordon (1720-1752, descended from James IV of Scotland), and had
10) Lady Susan Gordon (1746-1814) m. 1) John Fane, 9th Earl of Westmorland (1728-1774, descended from Edward III), and had
11) Lady Susan Fane (1768-1793) m. John Drummond, 5th Laird of Megginch Castle (1754-1835, descended from James II of Scotland), and had
12) Susan Drummond (1793-1813) m. George Moore of Appleby House (1778-1827), and had
13) George Moore of Appleby Hall (1811-1871) m. 2) Isabel Clara Holden (1810-1867, descended from Henry IV), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00136380&tree=LEO
14) Rev. Charles Thomas Moore of Appleby (1847-1924) m. Mabel Charlotte Byron (1853-1926, descended from Edward III), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307004&tree=LEO
15) Sylvia Mary Moore (1880-1952) m. Col. Wilfrid Byron (1871-1936, descended from Edward III), and had
16) Daphne Mary Byron (1909-1989) m. Leo Forbes O'Connor of Cottesloe (1900-1958), and had
17) Diana Mary Angela Forbes O'Connor, mother of British actor Simon Poland
Cheers, -----Brad
Brad Verity
Nov 24, 2013, 7:15:22 PM11/24/13
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On Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:45:33 AM UTC-8, Olivier wrote:
> Here you have a message from Paul Theroff
> 2.2.10.5.4.4.1.2.3.5.2.1.1.1.Katherine Jill Poland, b.1979
Dear Olivier,
Please pass on to Paul that I can add one additional Poland marriage for his database. Katherine Jill Poland (granddaughter of the 90-year-old author Peter Poland), above, married in 2005, Michael A.P. Mortiz.
And thank him again for sharing all of his current Poland family data with me.
Cheers, -----Brad
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For over 30 years, Australia had its own Lord Byron. Rupert Frederick George Byron was born 13 August 1903 at Peckleton House, Leicestershire. In 1922, when he was 19, his father, Col. Wilfrid Byron, who had served in the 2nd Boer War, and commanded the 3rd/1st Leicestershire Yeomanry in World War I, moved with his wife and three children (Rupert, younger son Maurice, and daughter Daphne) to Western Australia. Col. Byron's sister Katherine was the wife of Sir William Campion, the governor of Western Australia from 1924-1931.
Rupert married Pauline Cornwall, from the town of Wagin in Western Australia, and started up a 1,250-acre sheep farm named Egleston, in the rural town of Dinninup, 200 miles north of Perth. When Rupert succeeded his childless elderly British cousin to the barony of Byron of Rochdale in 1949, a reporter travelled out to the farm in Dinninup to meet the new Lord. The reporter arrived to find that "the 11th Lord Byron" was still out in the paddock bringing in the cattle, and was very nonchalant about the whole business. He was far more concerned about the faulty distributor on his tractor, than about Thrumpton Hall, the ancestral home of the Byrons in Nottinghamshire, whether or not he had come into any money, or whether he would take a seat in the House of Lords:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/47668180
A brief follow-up article a month later announced that Rupert intended to travel to England to accept the title of 11th Baron Byron:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/82384858?searchTerm=%22Rupert%20Byron%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=Rupert+Byron|||anyWords|||notWords|||l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||fromdd|||frommm|||fromyyyy|||todd|||tomm|||toyyyy|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||sortby
Rupert never occupied Thrumpton Hall - it passed to the family of the widow of the 10th Lord Byron, but he did move to a new farm, Donnybrook, 150 miles south of Perth, the year after he inherited the barony. He didn't travel to England for the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27122833?searchTerm=Baron%20Byron&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||fromdd|||frommm|||fromyyyy|||todd|||tomm|||toyyyy|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||sortby
I wonder if he ever took his seat in the House of Lords. It doesn't seem so. By 1977, the 11th Baron had retired from farming and moved to Mount Claremont, a suburb of Perth, where he died on 1 November 1983 at age 80. As his only child was a daughter, the barony passed to a distant male cousin back in England.
Leo has the 11th Baron Byron in his database, here:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307017&tree=LEO
Following are the nine lines of decent of the 11th Baron Byron (as well as his sister Daphne, maternal grandmother of British actor Simon Poland), from James IV, King of Scotland.
James IV, King of Scotland (1473-1513), by various mistresses had 3 daus A1, E1 & H1 (see below)
A1) Lady Janet Stewart, illegit. (c.1508-by1563) m. Malcolm, 3rd Lord Fleming (c.1494-1547), and had a son A2 and 2 daus C2 & D2 (see below)
A2) John, 5th Lord Fleming (c.1540-1572) m. Elizabeth Ross (c.1545-1578, descended from James II), and had
A3) Jean Fleming (d. 1630) m. William Bruce, Heir of Airth (d. 1596, descended from James I), and had
A4) Sir John Bruce, 4th Laird of Airth (d. by 1622) m. Margaret Elphinstone (see C4 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00346780&tree=LEO
A5) Jean Bruce (d. 1671) m. Maj. David Colyear (d. 1657), and had
A6) Sir Alexander Colyear, 1st Baronet of Holland (c.1635-1680) m. Joan Murray, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307068&tree=LEO
A7) David Colyear, 1st Earl of Portmore (1657-1730) m. Catharine Sedley, Countess of Dorchester (1657-1717, descended from Edward III), former mistress of King James II of Britain, and had
A8) Charles Colyear, 2nd Earl of Portmore (1700-1785) = Elizabeth Collier (b. 1713), and had
A9) Elizabeth Collier, illegit. (1747-1832) m. 1) Edward Sacheverell Pole of Radbourne Hall (1718-1780, descended from Edward III), and had
A10) Sacheverell Chandos-Pole of Radbourne Hall (1769-1813) m. Mary Ware (1774-1848, descended from Edward III), and had
A11) Elizabeth Mary Chandos-Pole (1793-1873) m. George Anson, 7th Baron Byron of Rochdale (1789-1868, descended from Edward III), and had 2 sons A12 & B12 (see below)
A12) Hon. Rev. William Byron of Stowlangtoft (1831-1907) m. 1) Mary Elizabeth Kindersley (1834-1877, descended from Edward I), and had
A13) Col. Wilfrid Byron of South Perth, Western Australia (1871-1936) m. Sylvia Mary Moore (see B14 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00306994&tree=LEO
A14A) Rupert, 11th Baron Byron of Rochdale (1903-1983), Australia's Lord Byron
and
A14B) Daphne Mary Byron (1909-1989) m. Leo Forbes O'Connor of Cottesloe (1900-1958), and had
A15) Diana Mary Angela Forbes O'Connor (b. 1931) m. John Michael Poland of Fermain (b. 1925, descended from Charles II), and had
A16) Simon Poland (b. 1957), British actor
B12) Hon. Rev. Augustus Byron of Kirkby Mallory (1828-1907) m. Frederica McMahon (1829-1903, descended from Edward III), and had
B13) Mabel Charlotte Byron (1853-1926) m. Rev. Charles Thomas Moore of Appleby (see D14 below), and had
B14) Sylvia Mary Moore (1880-1952) m. Col. Wilfrid Byron of South Perth (see A13 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307016&tree=LEO
C2) Agnes Fleming (c.1537-1597) m. William, 6th Lord Livingston (d. 1592, descended from James I), and had
C3) Jane Livingston (d. 1621) m. Alexander, 4th Lord Elphinstone (see E3 below), and had
C4) Margaret Elphinstone (1588-by1643) m. Sir John Bruce, 4th Laird of Airth (see A4 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00346781&tree=LEO
D2) Margaret Fleming (c.1527-by1587) m. John Stewart, 4th Earl of Atholl (d. 1579, descended from Edward III), and had
D3) John Stewart, 5th Earl of Atholl (1563-1595) m. Lady Mary Ruthven (descended from Edward III), and had
D4) Lady Dorothy Stewart (d. by 1628) m. William Murray, 2nd Earl of Tullibardine (c.1574-1627, descended from Edward III), and had
D5) John Murray, 1st Earl of Atholl (d. 1642) m. Jean Campbell (descended from Edward III), and had
D6) John Murray, 1st Marquess of Atholl (1631-1703) m. Lady Amelia Ann Sophia Stanley (1633-1703, descended from Henry VII), and had
D7) John Murray, 1st Duke of Atholl (1660-1724) m. Lady Katherine Hamilton (see G7 below), and had
D8) Lady Anna Susan Murray (1699-1725) m. William Gordon, 2nd Earl of Aberdeen (1679-1745, descended from James I of Scotland), and had
D9) Lady Katharine Gordon (1718-1779) m. 1) Cosmo George, 3rd Duke of Gordon (see F9 below), and had
D10) Lady Susan Gordon (1746-1814) m. 1) John Fane, 9th Earl of Westmorland (1728-1774, descended from Edward III), and had
D11) Lady Susan Fane (1768-1793) m. John Drummond, 5th Laird of Megginch Castle (1754-1835, descended from James II of Scotland), and had
D12) Susan Drummond (1793-1813) m. George Moore of Appleby House (1778-1827), and had
D13) George Moore of Appleby Hall (1811-1871) m. 2) Isabel Clara Holden (1810-1867, descended from Henry IV), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00136380&tree=LEO
D14) Rev. Charles Thomas Moore of Appleby (1847-1924) m. Mabel Charlotte Byron (see B13 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307004&tree=LEO
E1) Lady Margaret Stewart, illegit. (b. 1497) m. three times, and had a dau E2 & a son F2 (see below)
E2) Margaret Drummond, by 3rd husband (d. 1590) m. Robert, 3rd Lord Elphinstone (1530-1602), and had
E3) Alexander, 4th Lord Elphinstone (1552-1638) m. Jane Livingston (see C3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046192&tree=LEO
F2) George Gordon, 4th Earl of Huntly, by 1st husband (1513-1562) m. Lady Elizabeth Keith (b. c.1515, descended from James I), and had
F3) George Gordon, 5th Earl of Huntly (c.1534-1576) m. Lady Anne Hamilton (see H3 below), and had
F4) George Gordon, 1st Marquess of Huntly (1562-1636) m. Lady Henrietta Stuart (c.1573-1642, descended from James II), and had a son F5 & a dau G5 (see below)
F5) George Gordon, 2nd Marquess of Huntly (c.1590-1649) m. Lady Anne Campbell (1594-1638, descended from James I), and had
F6) Lewis Gordon, 3rd Marquess of Huntly (c.1612-1653) m. Mary Grant (d. aft.1707, descended from Edward III), and had
F7) George, 1st Duke of Gordon (by1649-1716) m. Lady Elizabeth Howard (1658-1732, descended from Edward III), and had
F8) Alexander, 2nd Duke of Gordon (c.1678-1728) m. Lady Henrietta Mordaunt (1682-1760, descended from Edward III), and had
F9) Cosmo George, 3rd Duke of Gordon (1720-1752) m. Lady Katharine Gordon (see D9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00008563&tree=LEO
G5) Lady Mary Gordon (1610-1674) m. William, 1st Marquess of Douglas (1589-1660, descended from James I), and had
G6) William, 3rd Duke of Hamilton (1634-1694) m. Anne, 3rd Duchess of Hamilton (see I6 below), and had
G7) Lady Katherine Hamilton (1662-1707) m. John Murray, 1st Duke of Atholl (see D7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029278&tree=LEO
H1) Lady Katherine Stewart, illegit. (c.1494-aft.1554) m. James Douglas, 3rd Earl of Morton (d. 1550, descended from James I), and had
H2) Lady Margaret Douglas (c.1516-aft.1579) m. James Hamilton, Duke of Châtelherault (c.1519-1575, descended from James II), and had a dau H3 & a son I3 (see below)
H3) Lady Anne Hamilton (b. c.1542) m. George Gordon, 5th Earl of Huntly (see F3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00017591&tree=LEO
I3) John, 1st Marquess of Hamilton (c.1540-1604) m. Margaret Lyon (c.1545-1625, descended from James I), and had
I4) James, 2nd Marquess of Hamilton (1589-1625) m. Lady Anne Cunningham (d. 1647, descended from James II), and had
I5) James, 1st Duke of Hamilton (1606-1649) m. Lady Mary Feilding (c.1613-1638, descended from Edward III), and had
I6) Anne, 3rd Duchess of Hamilton (1632-1716) m. William, 3rd Duke of Hamilton (see G6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029424&tree=LEO
My next post will cover all of the remaining Edward III descents, including those from James I and James II of Scotland, within the paternal Byron ancestry of the 11th Baron Byron.
Cheers, -----Brad
Rupert married Pauline Cornwall, from the town of Wagin in Western Australia, and started up a 1,250-acre sheep farm named Egleston, in the rural town of Dinninup, 200 miles north of Perth. When Rupert succeeded his childless elderly British cousin to the barony of Byron of Rochdale in 1949, a reporter travelled out to the farm in Dinninup to meet the new Lord. The reporter arrived to find that "the 11th Lord Byron" was still out in the paddock bringing in the cattle, and was very nonchalant about the whole business. He was far more concerned about the faulty distributor on his tractor, than about Thrumpton Hall, the ancestral home of the Byrons in Nottinghamshire, whether or not he had come into any money, or whether he would take a seat in the House of Lords:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/47668180
A brief follow-up article a month later announced that Rupert intended to travel to England to accept the title of 11th Baron Byron:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/82384858?searchTerm=%22Rupert%20Byron%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=Rupert+Byron|||anyWords|||notWords|||l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||fromdd|||frommm|||fromyyyy|||todd|||tomm|||toyyyy|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||sortby
Rupert never occupied Thrumpton Hall - it passed to the family of the widow of the 10th Lord Byron, but he did move to a new farm, Donnybrook, 150 miles south of Perth, the year after he inherited the barony. He didn't travel to England for the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27122833?searchTerm=Baron%20Byron&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||fromdd|||frommm|||fromyyyy|||todd|||tomm|||toyyyy|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||sortby
I wonder if he ever took his seat in the House of Lords. It doesn't seem so. By 1977, the 11th Baron had retired from farming and moved to Mount Claremont, a suburb of Perth, where he died on 1 November 1983 at age 80. As his only child was a daughter, the barony passed to a distant male cousin back in England.
Leo has the 11th Baron Byron in his database, here:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307017&tree=LEO
Following are the nine lines of decent of the 11th Baron Byron (as well as his sister Daphne, maternal grandmother of British actor Simon Poland), from James IV, King of Scotland.
James IV, King of Scotland (1473-1513), by various mistresses had 3 daus A1, E1 & H1 (see below)
A1) Lady Janet Stewart, illegit. (c.1508-by1563) m. Malcolm, 3rd Lord Fleming (c.1494-1547), and had a son A2 and 2 daus C2 & D2 (see below)
A2) John, 5th Lord Fleming (c.1540-1572) m. Elizabeth Ross (c.1545-1578, descended from James II), and had
A3) Jean Fleming (d. 1630) m. William Bruce, Heir of Airth (d. 1596, descended from James I), and had
A4) Sir John Bruce, 4th Laird of Airth (d. by 1622) m. Margaret Elphinstone (see C4 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00346780&tree=LEO
A5) Jean Bruce (d. 1671) m. Maj. David Colyear (d. 1657), and had
A6) Sir Alexander Colyear, 1st Baronet of Holland (c.1635-1680) m. Joan Murray, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307068&tree=LEO
A7) David Colyear, 1st Earl of Portmore (1657-1730) m. Catharine Sedley, Countess of Dorchester (1657-1717, descended from Edward III), former mistress of King James II of Britain, and had
A8) Charles Colyear, 2nd Earl of Portmore (1700-1785) = Elizabeth Collier (b. 1713), and had
A9) Elizabeth Collier, illegit. (1747-1832) m. 1) Edward Sacheverell Pole of Radbourne Hall (1718-1780, descended from Edward III), and had
A10) Sacheverell Chandos-Pole of Radbourne Hall (1769-1813) m. Mary Ware (1774-1848, descended from Edward III), and had
A11) Elizabeth Mary Chandos-Pole (1793-1873) m. George Anson, 7th Baron Byron of Rochdale (1789-1868, descended from Edward III), and had 2 sons A12 & B12 (see below)
A12) Hon. Rev. William Byron of Stowlangtoft (1831-1907) m. 1) Mary Elizabeth Kindersley (1834-1877, descended from Edward I), and had
A13) Col. Wilfrid Byron of South Perth, Western Australia (1871-1936) m. Sylvia Mary Moore (see B14 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00306994&tree=LEO
A14A) Rupert, 11th Baron Byron of Rochdale (1903-1983), Australia's Lord Byron
and
A14B) Daphne Mary Byron (1909-1989) m. Leo Forbes O'Connor of Cottesloe (1900-1958), and had
A15) Diana Mary Angela Forbes O'Connor (b. 1931) m. John Michael Poland of Fermain (b. 1925, descended from Charles II), and had
A16) Simon Poland (b. 1957), British actor
B12) Hon. Rev. Augustus Byron of Kirkby Mallory (1828-1907) m. Frederica McMahon (1829-1903, descended from Edward III), and had
B13) Mabel Charlotte Byron (1853-1926) m. Rev. Charles Thomas Moore of Appleby (see D14 below), and had
B14) Sylvia Mary Moore (1880-1952) m. Col. Wilfrid Byron of South Perth (see A13 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307016&tree=LEO
C2) Agnes Fleming (c.1537-1597) m. William, 6th Lord Livingston (d. 1592, descended from James I), and had
C3) Jane Livingston (d. 1621) m. Alexander, 4th Lord Elphinstone (see E3 below), and had
C4) Margaret Elphinstone (1588-by1643) m. Sir John Bruce, 4th Laird of Airth (see A4 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00346781&tree=LEO
D2) Margaret Fleming (c.1527-by1587) m. John Stewart, 4th Earl of Atholl (d. 1579, descended from Edward III), and had
D3) John Stewart, 5th Earl of Atholl (1563-1595) m. Lady Mary Ruthven (descended from Edward III), and had
D4) Lady Dorothy Stewart (d. by 1628) m. William Murray, 2nd Earl of Tullibardine (c.1574-1627, descended from Edward III), and had
D5) John Murray, 1st Earl of Atholl (d. 1642) m. Jean Campbell (descended from Edward III), and had
D6) John Murray, 1st Marquess of Atholl (1631-1703) m. Lady Amelia Ann Sophia Stanley (1633-1703, descended from Henry VII), and had
D7) John Murray, 1st Duke of Atholl (1660-1724) m. Lady Katherine Hamilton (see G7 below), and had
D8) Lady Anna Susan Murray (1699-1725) m. William Gordon, 2nd Earl of Aberdeen (1679-1745, descended from James I of Scotland), and had
D9) Lady Katharine Gordon (1718-1779) m. 1) Cosmo George, 3rd Duke of Gordon (see F9 below), and had
D10) Lady Susan Gordon (1746-1814) m. 1) John Fane, 9th Earl of Westmorland (1728-1774, descended from Edward III), and had
D11) Lady Susan Fane (1768-1793) m. John Drummond, 5th Laird of Megginch Castle (1754-1835, descended from James II of Scotland), and had
D12) Susan Drummond (1793-1813) m. George Moore of Appleby House (1778-1827), and had
D13) George Moore of Appleby Hall (1811-1871) m. 2) Isabel Clara Holden (1810-1867, descended from Henry IV), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00136380&tree=LEO
D14) Rev. Charles Thomas Moore of Appleby (1847-1924) m. Mabel Charlotte Byron (see B13 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307004&tree=LEO
E1) Lady Margaret Stewart, illegit. (b. 1497) m. three times, and had a dau E2 & a son F2 (see below)
E2) Margaret Drummond, by 3rd husband (d. 1590) m. Robert, 3rd Lord Elphinstone (1530-1602), and had
E3) Alexander, 4th Lord Elphinstone (1552-1638) m. Jane Livingston (see C3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046192&tree=LEO
F2) George Gordon, 4th Earl of Huntly, by 1st husband (1513-1562) m. Lady Elizabeth Keith (b. c.1515, descended from James I), and had
F3) George Gordon, 5th Earl of Huntly (c.1534-1576) m. Lady Anne Hamilton (see H3 below), and had
F4) George Gordon, 1st Marquess of Huntly (1562-1636) m. Lady Henrietta Stuart (c.1573-1642, descended from James II), and had a son F5 & a dau G5 (see below)
F5) George Gordon, 2nd Marquess of Huntly (c.1590-1649) m. Lady Anne Campbell (1594-1638, descended from James I), and had
F6) Lewis Gordon, 3rd Marquess of Huntly (c.1612-1653) m. Mary Grant (d. aft.1707, descended from Edward III), and had
F7) George, 1st Duke of Gordon (by1649-1716) m. Lady Elizabeth Howard (1658-1732, descended from Edward III), and had
F8) Alexander, 2nd Duke of Gordon (c.1678-1728) m. Lady Henrietta Mordaunt (1682-1760, descended from Edward III), and had
F9) Cosmo George, 3rd Duke of Gordon (1720-1752) m. Lady Katharine Gordon (see D9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00008563&tree=LEO
G5) Lady Mary Gordon (1610-1674) m. William, 1st Marquess of Douglas (1589-1660, descended from James I), and had
G6) William, 3rd Duke of Hamilton (1634-1694) m. Anne, 3rd Duchess of Hamilton (see I6 below), and had
G7) Lady Katherine Hamilton (1662-1707) m. John Murray, 1st Duke of Atholl (see D7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029278&tree=LEO
H1) Lady Katherine Stewart, illegit. (c.1494-aft.1554) m. James Douglas, 3rd Earl of Morton (d. 1550, descended from James I), and had
H2) Lady Margaret Douglas (c.1516-aft.1579) m. James Hamilton, Duke of Châtelherault (c.1519-1575, descended from James II), and had a dau H3 & a son I3 (see below)
H3) Lady Anne Hamilton (b. c.1542) m. George Gordon, 5th Earl of Huntly (see F3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00017591&tree=LEO
I3) John, 1st Marquess of Hamilton (c.1540-1604) m. Margaret Lyon (c.1545-1625, descended from James I), and had
I4) James, 2nd Marquess of Hamilton (1589-1625) m. Lady Anne Cunningham (d. 1647, descended from James II), and had
I5) James, 1st Duke of Hamilton (1606-1649) m. Lady Mary Feilding (c.1613-1638, descended from Edward III), and had
I6) Anne, 3rd Duchess of Hamilton (1632-1716) m. William, 3rd Duke of Hamilton (see G6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029424&tree=LEO
My next post will cover all of the remaining Edward III descents, including those from James I and James II of Scotland, within the paternal Byron ancestry of the 11th Baron Byron.
Cheers, -----Brad
Brad Verity
Nov 28, 2013, 3:55:53 PM11/28/13
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On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:33:54 AM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
> My next post will cover all of the remaining Edward III descents, including those from James I and James II of Scotland, within the paternal Byron ancestry of the 11th Baron Byron.
The 11th Baron's father was Col. Wilfrid Byron of South Perth, Western Australia. He was born 31 January 1871 at Stoke Talmage, Oxfordshire, and died 7 November 1936 at Hardy Street, South Perth, buried 9 November 1936 at Karrakatta Cemetery, Perth. There is a portrait of Col. Wilfrid (as leader of the 3rd/1st Leicestershire Yeomanry, here (scroll down a bit):
> My next post will cover all of the remaining Edward III descents, including those from James I and James II of Scotland, within the paternal Byron ancestry of the 11th Baron Byron.
http://www.paoyeomanry.co.uk/PM/LY3rd1stWW1.htm
Col. Wilfrid married 25 September 1901 at St Michael & All Angels Church, Appleby Magna, Leicestershire, Sylvia Mary Moore (born 18 October 1880 at Appleby Hall, Leicestershire; died 27 December 1952, Hampshire). Sylvia was the daughter of Wilfrid's first cousin, Mabel Charlotte Byron (born 20 April 1853 at Bryanstone Square, Westminster; died 19 December 1926 at Lavender Cottage, Appleby Magna).
Below are the 50 separate lines of descent from Edward III (excluding some from James IV, which have already been posted) for Col. Wilfrid Byron & for his first cousin Mabel Byron Moore. As usual, links to individuals in Leo's database are included for each line.
Edward III had 4 sons, A1, OO1, QQ1 & TT1 (see below)
A1) John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster (1340-1399) m. three times, and had 2 daus A2 & AA2, and 2 sons BB2 & CC2 (see below)
A2) Joan Beaufort, by 3rd wife (c.1377-1440) m. twice, and had 2 sons A3 & P3, and 5 daus Q3, S3, T3, U3 & W3 (see below)
A3) Richard Neville, Earl of Salisbury, by 2nd husband (c.1398-1460) m. Alice Montagu
(1406-1462, descended from Edward I), and had 3 daus A4, F4, & H4, and a son L4 (see below)
A4) Alice Neville (c.1434-aft.1503) m. Henry Fitzhugh, 6th Lord Fitzhugh (1429-1472), and had
A5) Elizabeth Fitzhugh (1462-bef.1407) m. twice, and had two daus A6 & D6, and a son C6 (see below)
A6) Alice Vaux, by 2nd husband (b. c.1487) m. Sir Richard Sapcote of Elton Hall (1483-1543), and had
A7) Anne Sapcote (c.1508-1576) m. Sir William Fitzwilliam of Milton (1503-1552), and had
A8) Sir William Fitzwilliam of Gains Park (1526-1599) m. Anne Sidney (c.1525-1602, descended from Edward I), and had
A9) Margaret Fitzwilliam (1559-1623) m. Sir John Byron of Newstead Priory (c.1560-1623), and had
A10) Sir John Byron of Newstead Priory (c.1581-1625) m. Anne Molyneux (c.1580-aft.1629, descended from Edward I), and had
A11) Richard, 2nd Baron Byron of Rochdale (1606-1679) m. 1) Elizabeth Rossell (d. 1657), and had
A12) William, 3rd Baron Byron of Rochdale (1635-1695) m. 1) Elizabeth Chaworth (c.1637-1683, descended from Edward I), and had
A13) William, 4th Baron Byron of Rochdale (1670-1736) m. 3) Hon. Frances Berkeley (c.1702-1757, descended from Edward I)*, and had
A14) Hon. John Byron of Twickenham (1723-1786) m. Sophia Trevanion (see I14 below), and had
A15) Capt. George Anson Byron (1758-1793) m. Henrietta Charlotte Dallas (1762-1793), and had
A16) George, 7th Baron Byron of Rochdale (1789-1868) m. Elizabeth Mary Chandos-Pole (see C17 below), and had 2 sons A17 & B17 (see below)
A17) Hon. Rev. William Byron of Stowlangtoft (1831-1907) m. 1) Mary Elizabeth Kindersley (1834-1877, descended from Edward I)**, and had
A18) Col. Wilfrid Byron of South Perth, Western Australia (1871-1936) m. Sylvia Mary Moore (see B19 below)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00306994&tree=LEO
*I'm one of those who feel there is not enough evidence to support Joan Stradling, the 1st wife of Maurice Dennys of Siston, being a daughter of Jane Beaufort, daughter of Cardinal Henry Beaufort. But for those who feel that connection is valid, then Hon. Frances Berkeley would be a descendant of Edward III thru Cardinal Beaufort.
**Mary Elizabeth Kindersley is a descendant of Sir Thomas Leigh of Addington (1639-1677) and his wife "Hannah, d. and coheir of Anthony Rolfe, of Tuttington, near Aylsham, Co. Norf., gent. (grandson of John Rolfe by Rebecca his wife, d. of Pocahontas, Emperor of Powhattan)":
https://archive.org/stream/noticesoffamilyo00gowe#page/n109/mode/2up
So wrote Victorian-era genealogist Granville Leveson-Gower, in his 1878 book 'Notices of the Family of Leigh of Addington'. Basically, Leveson Gower claimed that Anthony Rolfe of Tuttington was a grandson of Pocahontas and her English husband John Rolfe. This was a strong belief amongst the descendants of Sir Thomas Leigh and Hannah Rolfe, to the point where there is a plaque in St Mary Church, Gravesend, Kent (where Pocahontas is buried) laying out the descent from the Native American princess, thru Hannah Rolfe and Sir Thomas Leigh, down to Edwina Ashley, countess Mountbatten of Burma. A few years after publication, other genealogists pointed out the chronological difficulties in making Anthony Rolfe (born 1600) into a grandson of Pocahontas (c.1595-1617), but the Leigh of Addington descendants were having none of it - they refused to give up the long-standing family tradition of their descent from her:
http://books.google.ca/books?id=5YEDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA391&lpg=PA391&dq=anthony+rolfe+of+tuttington&source=bl&ots=4v1qPLSP6h&sig=M5n0gHxfsOwVlgqz89ZfuoDljiE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VZKWUpG-Acf9oATM7IEw&ved=0CEkQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=anthony%20rolfe%20of%20tuttington&f=false
I love the irony of British landed gentry refusing to concede the impossibility of their descent from a famous Native American princess, when at the same time across the Pond, many Americans refused to give up belief in their descent from medieval royals, even in the face of evidence that definitively disproved alleged royal lines. The late, much missed genealogist William Addams Reitwiesner very ably debunks the Pocahontas/Hannah Rolfe descent in a 1999 post:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.talk.royalty/-Tcf9cnpRlQ/dVeScd8VeHgJ
The Leighs of Addington do, however, have undisputed descents from Edward I.
B17) Hon. Rev. Augustus Byron of Kirkby Mallory (1828-1907) m. Frederica McMahon (see R18 below), and had
B18) Mabel Charlotte Byron (1853-1926) m. Rev. Charles Thomas Moore of Appleby (descended from Henry VII)), and had
B19) Sylvia Mary Moore (1880-1952) m. Col. Wilfrid Byron of South Perth (see A18 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307016&tree=LEO
C6) William Parr, Baron Parr of Horton, by 1st husband (c.1480-1546) m. Mary Salisbury (1484-1555), and had
C7) Anne Parr (c.1508-by1540) m. Sir Thomas Tresham of Rushton Hall (by1500-1559), and had
C8) John Tresham, Heir of Rushton Hall (c.1525-1546) m. Eleanor Catesby (d. 1546), and had
C9) Sir Thomas Tresham of Rushton Hall (1543-1605) m. Muriel Throckmorton (see D8 below), and had
C10) Elizabeth Tresham (1573-1648) m. William Parker, 13th Lord Morley (see F10 below), and had
C11) Hon. Katherine Parker m. John Savage, 2nd Earl Rivers (see S10 below), and had
C12) Lady Catherine Savage (c.1640-1705) m. Sir Charles Sedley, 5th Baronet of Aylesford (1639-1701, descended from Edward I), and had
C13) Catharine Sedley, Countess of Dorchester (1657-1717) m. David Colyear, 1st Earl of Portmore (see JJ14 below), and had
C14) Charles Colyear, 2nd Earl of Portmore (1700-1785) = Elizabeth Collier (b. 1713), and had
C15) Elizabeth Collier, illegit. (1747-1832) m. 1) Edward Sacheverell Pole of Radbourne Hall (see Q13 below), and had
C16) Sacheverell Chandos-Pole of Radbourne Hall (1769-1813) m. Mary Ware (see E16 below), and had
C17) Elizabeth Mary Chandos-Pole (1793-1873) m. George Anson, 7th Baron Byron of Rochdale (see A16 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00306611&tree=LEO
D6) Katherine Vaux, by 2nd husband (b. c.1490) m. Sir George Throckmorton of Coughton (by1489-1552), and had
D7) Sir Robert Throckmorton of Coughton (by1513-1581) m. twice, and had 2 daus D8 & E8 (see below)
D8) Muriel Throckmorton, by 2nd wife (see X7 below) (d. 1615) m. Sir Thomas Tresham of Rushton Hall (see C9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00021598&tree=LEO
E8) Mary Throckmorton, by 1st wife (c.1536-1603) m. Edward Arden of Park Hall (1533-1583), and had
E9) Katherine Arden (c.1556-1627) m. Sir Edward Devereux, 1st Baronet of Castle Bromwich (see PP7 below), and had
E10) Walter Devereux, 5th Viscount Hereford (1575-1656) m. 2) Elizabeth Knightley (d.1634, descended from Edward I), and had
E11) Leicester Devereux, 6th Viscount Hereford (1617-1676) m. Elizabeth Withypool (see L11 below), and had
E12) Hon. Frances Devereux (c.1659-1688) m. William, 4th Viscount Tracy of Rathcoole (see V13 below), and had
E13) Hon. Elizabeth Tracy (1680-1747) m. 1) Robert Burdett, Heir of Bramcote (see GG12 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00060476&tree=LEO
E14) Anne Burdett (1714-1759) m. Wrightson Mundy of Markeaton Hall (see N15 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00600525&tree=LEO
E15) Anne Mundy (d. 1781) m. Rev. Henry Ware of Balrothery (1706-1778, descended from Edward I), and had
E16) Mary Ware (1774-1848) m. Sacheverell Chandos-Pole of Radbourne Hall (see C16 above)
F4) Eleanor Neville (c.1436-1471) m. Thomas Stanley, 1st Earl of Derby (c.1434-1504, descended from Edward I), and had 2 sons F5 & G5 (see below)
F5) George Stanley, Lord Strange (c.1458-1503) m. Joan, 5th Lady Strange of Knokyn (1463-1514), and had
F6) Thomas Stanley, 2nd Earl of Derby (c.1481-1521) m. Anne Hastings (see H6 below), and had
F7) Edward Stanley, 3rd Earl of Derby (1509-1572) m. 1) Lady
Dorothy Howard (c.1514-c.1547, descended from Edward I), and had
F8) Lady Elizabeth Stanley (c.1535-1591) m. Henry Parker, 11th Lord Morley (1531-1577, descended from Edward I), and had
F9) Edward Parker, 12th Lord Morley (c.1552-1618) m. 1) Elizabeth Stanley, 4th Lady Monteagle (see G8 below), and had
F10) William Parker, 13th Lord Morley (1575-1622) m. Elizabeth Tresham (see C10 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00221762&tree=LEO
G5) Edward Stanley, 1st Baron Monteagle (c.1460-1523) m. 2) Elizabeth Vaughan (d. 1515), and had
G6) Thomas Stanley, 2nd Baron Monteagle (1507-1560) m. 1) Lady Mary Brandon (b. 1510, descended from Edward I), and had
G7) William Stanley, 3rd Baron Monteagle (1528-1581) m. 1) Anne Leyburn, and had
G8) Elizabeth Stanley, 4th Lady Monteagle (1558-1585) m. Edward Parker, 12th Lord Morley (see F9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00455776&tree=LEO
H4) Katherine Neville (c.1442-1504) m. twice, and had a son H5 & a dau J5 (see below)
H5) Edward, 2nd Lord Hastings, by 2nd husband (1466-1506) m. Mary Hungerford (see W5 below), and had a dau H6 & a son I6 (see below)
H6) Anne Hastings (c.1485-1550) m. Thomas Stanley, 2nd Earl of Derby (see F6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00049297&tree=LEO
I6) George Hastings, 1st Earl of Huntingdon (1487-1544) m. Lady Anne Stafford (see T6 below), and had
I7) Lady Dorothy Hastings (c.1520-1566) m. Sir Richard Devereux of Lamphey (see J7 below), and had
I8) Walter Devereux, 1st Earl of Essex (1539-1576) m. Lettice Knollys (see FF8 below), and had
I9) Lady Dorothy Devereux (c.1564-1619) m. 1) Sir Thomas Perrot of Haroldston (1553-1594, descended from Edward I), and had
I10) Penelope Perrot (c.1590-1655) m. 1) Sir William Lower of St Winnow (c.1570-1615, descended from Edward I), and had
I11) Dorothy Lower (1608-1677) m. Sir Maurice Drummond of Westminster (d. 1642), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00285783&tree=LEO
I12) Jane Drummond (d. 1710) m. Charles Trevanion of Caerhayes (see K11 below), and had
I13) John Trevanion of Caerhayes (1667-1740) m. 2) Hon. Barbara Berkeley (1704-1776, descended from Edward I)*, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00054111&tree=LEO
I14) Sophia Trevanion (c.1728-1790) m. Hon. John Byron of Twickenham (see A14 above)
*I'm one of those who feel there is not enough evidence to support Joan Stradling, the 1st wife of Maurice Dennys of Siston, being a daughter of Jane Beaufort, daughter of Cardinal Henry Beaufort. But for those who feel that connection is valid, then Hon. Barbara Berkeley would be a descendant of Edward III thru Cardinal Beaufort.
J5) Cecily Bonville, by 1st husband (1460-1529) m. 1) Thomas Grey, 1st Marquess of Dorset (c.1456-1501, descended from Edward I), and had 2 daus J6 & K6 (see below)
J6) Lady Mary Grey (c.1492-1538) m. Walter Devereux, 1st Viscount Hereford (see PP6 below), and had
J7) Sir Richard Devereux of Lamphey (by1513-1547) m. Lady Dorothy Hastings (see I7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062068&tree=LEO
K6) Lady Dorothy Grey (c.1485-1553) m. 2) William Blount, 4th Lord Mountjoy (c.1478-1534), and had
K7) Mary Blount (c.1527-by1555) m. Sir Robert Denys of Holcombe Burnell (by1530-1592), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00316769&tree=LEO
K8) Gertrude Denys (c.1553-1631) m. 1) John Arundell of Trerice (by1534-1580), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00526583&tree=LEO
K9) Sir John Arundell of Trerice (1576-1654) m. Mary Cary (d. by 1654, descended from Edward I), and had
K10) Anne Arundell (d. 1701) m. 1) John Trevanion, Heir of Caerhayes (see BB11 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00465094&tree=LEO
K11) Charles Trevanion of Caerhayes (c.1631-1703) m. Jane Drummond (see I12 above)
L4) John Neville, Marquess Montagu (c.1431-1471) m. Isabel Ingaldesthorpe (1441-1476, descended from Edward I), and had 2 daus L5 & M5 (see below)
L5) Lady Lucy Neville (1468-1534) m. 2) Sir Anthony Browne of Calais (1443-1506, descended from Edward I), and had
L6) Elizabeth Browne (c.1502-1565) m. Henry Somerset, 2nd Earl of Worcester (see HH6 below), and had
L7) Lady Lucy Somerset (1523-1583) m. John Neville, 4th Lord Latimer (see P7 below), and had
L8) Lucy Neville (1549-1608) m. Sir William Cornwallis of Brome (c.1549-1611, descended from Edward I), and had
L9) Frances Cornwallis (c.1576-1625) m. Sir Edmund Withypool of Christchurch (see M9 below), and had
L10) Sir William Withypool of Christchurch (d. 1645) m. Jane Stanhope (1601-bef.1645, descended from Edward I), and had
L11) Elizabeth Withypool (d. 1669) m. Leicester Devereux, 6th Viscount Hereford (see E11 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00125566&tree=LEO
M5) Lady Anne Neville (c.1460-1486) m. Sir William Stonor of Stonor Park (c.1449-1494, descended from Edward I), and had
M6) Anne Stonor (c.1484-1518) m. Sir Adrian Fortescue of Stonor Park (c.1481-1539), and had
M7) Margaret Fortescue (b. 1504) m. Thomas, 1st Baron Wentworth of Nettlested (see WW8 below), and had 2 daus M8 & O8 and a son N8 (see below)
M8) Dorothy Wentworth (1543-1602) m. 1) Paul Withypool of Gonville Hall (d. 1577), and had
M9) Sir Edmund Withypool of Christchurch (1573-1619) m. Frances Cornwallis (see L9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00636666&tree=LEO
N8) Thomas, 2nd Baron Wentworth of Nettlested (1525-1584) m. 2) Anne Wentworth (d. 1571, descended from Edward I), and had
N9) Henry, 3rd Baron Wentworth of Nettlested (1558-1593) m. Anne Hopton (d. 1625, descended from Edward I), and had
N10) Thomas Wentworth, 1st Earl of Cleveland (1591-1667) m. 1) Anne Crofts (see O11 below), and had
N11) Anne, 7th Baroness Wentworth (1623-1697) m. John, 2nd Baron Lovelace (1616-1670), and had
N12) Hon. Margaret Lovelace (1642-1671) m. Sir William Noel, 2nd Baronet of Kirkby Mallory (see U13 below), and had
N13) Sir John Noel, 4th Baronet of Kirkby Mallory (c.1667-1697) m. Mary Clobery (c.1672-1751), and had
N14) Anne Noel (b. c.1693) m. Francis Mundy of Markeaton Hall (1690-1720, descended from Edward I), and had
N15) Wrightson Mundy of Markeaton Hall (c.1714-1762) m. Anne Burdett (see E14 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00600524&tree=LEO
O8) Anne Wentworth (c.1523-1575) m. John Poley of Badley (d. 1589), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00384335&tree=LEO
O9) Susan Poley (d. 1604) m. Thomas Crofts of West Stow (d. 1612), and had
O10) Sir John Crofts of Little Saxham (c.1565-1628) m. Mary Shirley (d. 1649, descended from Edward I), and had
O11) Anne Crofts (d. 1638) m. Thomas Wentworth, 1st Earl of Cleveland (see N10 above)
P3) George Neville, 1st Lord Latimer, by 2nd husband (c.1411-1469) m. Elizabeth Beauchamp (c.1411-1480, descended from Edward I), and had
P4) Sir Henry Neville (c.1435-1469) m. Joan Bourchier (see SS4 below), and had
P5) Richard Neville, 2nd Lord Latimer (1468-1530) m. 1) Anne Stafford (d. by 1521), and had
P6) John Neville, 3rd Lord Latimer (1493-1543) m. 1) Dorothy Vere (d. 1526, descended from Edward I), and had
P7) John Neville, 4th Lord Latimer (1520-1577) m. Lady Lucy Somerset (see L7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00003574&tree=LEO
Q3) Mary Ferrers, by 1st husband (1394-1458) m. Sir Ralph Neville of Oversley (c.
1395-1458, descended from Edward I), and had
Q4) John Neville of Oversley (c.1415-1482) m. Elizabeth Newmarch, and had
Q5) Joan Neville m. 1) Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe Hall (c.1428-1463), and had a dau Q6 & a son R6 (see below)
Q6) Agnes Gascoigne (d. 1504) m. Sir Robert Plumpton of Plumpton (1453-1525), and had
Q7) Anne Plumpton (b. c.1483) m. German Pole of Radbourne Hall (1482-1552), and had
Q8) German Pole of Dalbury Lees m. Anne (---), widow of John Collier of Dalbury Lees*, and had
Q9) Richard Pole of Dalbury Lees m. Margaret Gregson, and had
Q10) Edward Pole of Dalbury Lees (1610-1695) m. Mary Callingwood (1607-1686), and had
Q11) Samuel Pole of Radbourne Hall (1651-1731) m. Anne Mundy (1660-1732), and had
Q12) Lt-Gen. Edward Pole of Park Hall (1691-1762) m. Elizaveth Sacheverell, and had
Q13) Edward Sacheverell Pole of Radbourne Hall (1718-1780) m. Elizabeth Collier (see C15 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00306624&tree=LEO
*There is hardly anything to be found about this German Pole and his wife Anne. The Pole pedigree from the 1569 Visitation pedigree merely lists German as the fourth son of his parents, and doesn't give him a wife or children. He and Anne were married by 1559, though, as they had a daughter Mary Pole christened at Dalbury in 1560:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NKT9-M2W
R6) Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe Hall (c.1450-1487) m. Margaret Percy (see Z5 below), and had
R7) Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe Hall (1468-1551) m. 1) Alice Frognall, and had
R8) Margaret Gascoigne m. Thomas Middleton, Heir of Stockeld (see VV8 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00622907&tree=LEO
R9) Margaret Middleton (d. 1562) m. Henry Witham of Ledston Hall (d. 1572), and had
R10) William Witham of Ledston Hall (1546-1593) m. Ellen Neale (d. 1619), and had
R11) Elizabeth Witham (b. 1574) m. William Westropp of Cornborough (1571-1603, descended from Edward I), and had
R12) Thomas Westropp of Newham Hall (1601-1656) m. Isabell (----), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00629499&tree=LEO
R13) Mountfort Westropp of Kilkerin (1638-1698) m. Frances Taylor (d. 1706), and had
R14) Ralph Westropp of Cahirduggan (d. 1741) m. Hannah Roberts, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00480648&tree=LEO
R15) Randall Westropp of Cork (c.1712-1777) m. Peniel Becher (1716-1792), and had
R16) Capt. Michael Roberts Westropp of Cork (1737-1830) m. Jane Godsell (d. 1819), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00236751&tree=LEO
R17) Emily Anne Westropp (1787-1866) m. Sir Thomas McMahon, 2nd Baronet of Ashley Manor (1779-1860), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307502&tree=LEO
R18) Frederica McMahon (1829-1903) m. Hon. Rev. Augustus Byron of Kirkby Mallory (see B17 above)
S3) Cecily Neville, by 2nd husband (1415-1495) m. Richard, 3rd Duke of York (see OO3 below), and had
S4) Anne of York (1439-1476) m. 2) Sir Thomas St Leger of Guildford (by1438-1483), and had
S5) Anne St Leger (1475-1526) m. George Manners, 11th Lord Ros (1470-1513, descended from Edward I), and had
S6) Thomas Manners, 1st Earl of Rutland (c.1497-1543) m. 2) Eleanor Paston (descended from Edward I), and had
S7) Lady Elizabeth Manners (d. 1570) m. Sir John Savage of Clifton (see II7 below), and had
S8) Sir John Savage, 1st Baronet of Rock Savage (d. 1615) m. Mary Alington, and had
S9) Thomas, 1st Viscount Savage (c.1586-1635) m. Elizabeth Darcy, Countess Rivers (see XX11 below), and had
S10) John Savage, 2nd Earl Rivers (1606-1654) m. Hon. Katherine Parker (see C11 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00057933&tree=LEO
T3) Anne Neville, by 2nd husband (c.1408-1480) m. 1) Humphrey Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham (see RR3 below), and had
T4) Humphrey Stafford, Earl of Stafford (c.1425-1458) m. Lady Margaret Beaufort (see DD4 below), and had
T5) Henry Stafford, 2nd Duke of Buckingham (1455-1483) m. Katherine Woodville (c.1458-1497), and had
T6) Lady Anne Stafford (c.1483-1544) m. 2) George Hastings, 1st Earl of Huntingdon (see I6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00053945&tree=LEO
U3) Elizabeth Ferrers, by 1st husband (1393-1434) m. John, 4th Lord Greystoke (c.1390-1436), and had a dau U4 & and a son V4 (see below)
U4) Joan Greystoke (c.1409-by1487) m. 1) John Darcy of Temple Hurst (1404-1458, descended from Edward I), and had
U5) Joan Darcy (b. c.1435) m. John Beaumont of Coleorton Hall (1428-1461), and had
U6) George Beaumont of Quarter Marsh (c.1453-1530) m. Joan Pauncefoot, and had
U7) William Beaumont of Coleorton Hall (d. 1529) m. Mary Basset (d. 1539), and had
U8) Richard Beaumont of Coleorton Hall (d. 1537) m. Coletta Clerke, and had
U9) Nicholas Beaumont of Coleorton Hall (bef.1526-1585) m. Anne Saunders (d. 1582), and had
U10) Sir Thomas Beaumont of Stoughton (c.1555-1614) m. Katherine Farnham (d. 1621), and had
U11) Frances Beaumont (d. 1654) m. Sir Wolstan Dixie of Market Bosworth (c.1576-1650), and had
U12) Elizabeth Dixie m. Sir Verney Noel, 1st Baronet of Kirkby Mallory (1604-1670), and had
U13) Sir William Noel, 2nd Baronet of Kirkby Mallory (1642-1675) m. Hon. Margaret Lovelace (see N12 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00492223&tree=LEO
V4) Ralph, 5th Lord Greystoke (1414-1487) m. 1) Elizabeth Fitzhugh (c.1420-1469), and had
V5) Elizabeth Greystoke (d. aft.1483) m. 2) Sir Gilbert Talbot of Grafton (1452-1516, descended from Edward I), and had
V6) Sir Gilbert Talbot of Grafton (by1479-1542) m. 1) Agnes Paston (see EE5 below), and had
V7) Elizabeth Talbot (d. by 1542) m. John Lyttelton of Frankley Court (c.1499-1532), and had
V8) Sir John Lyttelton of Frankley Court (1519-1590) m. Bridget Pakington, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104897&tree=LEO
V9) Gilbert Lyttelton of Frankley Court (c.1540-1599) m. Elizabeth Coningsby, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00412265&tree=LEO
V10) John Lyttelton of Frankley Court (1561-1601) m. Muriel Bromley (1566-1630, descended from Edward I), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00060460&tree=LEO
V11) Bridget Lyttelton m. Robert, 2nd Viscount Tracy of Rathcoole (see Y11 below), and had
V12) John, 3rd Viscount Tracy of Rathcoole (1617-1687) m. Hon. Elizabeth Leigh (d. 1688, descended from Edward I), and had
V13) William, 4th Viscount Tracy of Rathcoole (d. 1712) m. 1) Hon. Frances Devereux (see E12 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00060466&tree=LEO
W3) Eleanor Neville, by 2nd husband (1403-1472) m. 2) Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland (see UU4 below), and had 2 daus W4 & X4, and a son Z4 (see below)
W4) Anne Percy (1443-1522) m. 1) Sir Thomas Hungerford of Rowden (c.1442-1469), and had
W5) Mary, Lady Hungerford (1468-1533) m. 1) Edward, 2nd Lord Hastings (see H5 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00107579&tree=LEO
X4) Katherine Percy (1423-1493) m. Edmund Grey, 1st Earl of Kent (see AA4 below), and had a son X5 & a dau Y5 (see below)
X5) George Grey, 2nd Earl of Kent (c.1443-1503) m. 2) Katherine Herbert (c.1468-by1503), and had
X6) Lady Anne Grey (c.1492-1546) m. John, Baron Hussey of Sleaford (1465-1537), and had
X7) Elizabeth Hussey (c.1512-1554) m. 2) Sir Robert Throckmorton of Coughton (see D7 above), and had a dau (see D8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00232053&tree=LEO
Y5) Anne Grey (b. c.1448) m. John Grey, 8th Lord Grey of Wilton (see CC5 below), and had
Y6) Edmund, 9th Lord Grey of Wilton (by1468-1511) m. Florence Hastings, and had
Y7) Elizabeth Grey (d. 1559) m. John Brydges, 1st Baron Chandos of Sudeley (1492-1557), and had
Y8) Elizabeth Brydges m. Henry Tracy of Toddington (d. 1557), and had
Y9) Sir John Tracy of Toddington (d. 1591) m. Anne Throckmorton (d. 1581, descended from Edward I), and had
Y10) John, 1st Viscount Tracy of Rathcoole (c.1561-1648) m. Anne Shirley (b. 1573, descended from Edward I), and had
Y11) Robert, 2nd Viscount Tracy of Rathcoole (c.1593-1662) m. Bridget Lyttelton (see V11 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00060458&tree=LEO
Z4) Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland (1421-1461) m. Eleanor Poynings (1428-1484, descended from Edward I), and had
Z5) Margaret Percy (b. c.1447) m. Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe Hall (see R6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00046491&tree=LEO
AA2) Elizabeth of Lancaster, by 1st wife (1364-1425) m. 2) John Holland, 1st Duke of Exeter (c.1358-1400, descended from Edward I), and had
AA3) Lady Constance Holland (1386-1437) m. 2) Sir John Grey of Badmondisfield Hall (c.1385-1439, descended from Edward I), and had
AA4) Edmund Grey, 1st Earl of Kent (1416-1490) m. Katherine Percy (see X4 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00059129&tree=LEO
BB2) Cardinal Henry Beaufort, by 3rd wife (c.1375-1447) = unknown mistress, and had
BB3) Jane Beaufort, illegit. (c.1403-1479) m. Sir Edward Stradling of St Donats (c.1389-1453), and had
BB4) Sir Henry Stradling of St Donats (1423-1476) m. Elizabeth ap Tomas, and had
BB5) Thomas Stradling of St Donats (c.1454-1480) m. Jenet Matthew (d. 1485), and had
BB6) Sir Edward Stradling of St Donats (c.1472-1535) m. Elizabeth Arundell (d. 1513), and had
BB7) Joan Stradling m. 2) Alexander Popham of Huntworth (by1504-1556), and had
BB8) Sir John Popham of Wellington (c.1531-1607) m. Amy Adams (d. 1612), and had
BB9) Mary Popham m. Sir John Malet of Enmore Hall (c.1573-1616, descended from Edward I), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00411763&tree=LEO
BB10) Amy Malet m. Charles Trevanion of Caerhayes (c.1594-bef.1660, descended from Edward I), and had
BB11) John Trevanion, Heir of Caerhayes (1613-1643) m. Anne Arundell (see K10 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00526586&tree=LEO
CC2) John Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset (1373-1410) m. Margaret Holland (1383-1439, descended from Edward I), and had 2 sons CC3 & DD3, and a dau JJ3 (see below)
CC3) John Beaufort, 1st Duke of Somerset (1404-1444) = unidentified mistress, and had
CC4) Tacyn Beaufort, illegit. (c.1428-1494) m. Reginald Grey, 7th Lord Grey of Wilton (1421-1494, descended from Edward I), and had
CC5) John Grey, 8th Lord Grey of Wilton (c.1445-1499) m. Anne Grey (see Y5 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00028590&tree=LEO
DD3) Edmund Beaufort, 2nd Duke of Somerset (1406-1455) m. Eleanor Beauchamp (1408-1467, descended from Edward I), and had 3 daus DD4, EE4 & FF4, and a son HH4 (see below)
DD4) Lady Margaret Beaufort (c.1437-1480) m. 1) Humphrey Stafford, Earl of Stafford (see T4 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026562&tree=LEO
EE4) Lady Anne Beaufort (1443-bef.1492) m. William Paston of London (1434-1496), and had
EE5) Agnes Paston (c.1476-bef.1514) m. Sir Gilbert Talbot of Grafton (see V6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00104863&tree=LEO
FF4) Lady Eleanor Beaufort (c.1440-1501) m. 2) Sir Robert Spencer of Ashbury (c.1435-1510), and had
FF5) Margaret Spencer (b. c.1472) m. Thomas Carey of Moulsford (b. c.1460, descended from Edward I), and had
FF6) William Carey of Aldenham (c.1496-1528) m. Lady Mary Boleyn (c.1499-1543, descended from Edward I), and had
FF7) Katherine Carey (c.1523-1569) m. Sir Francis Knollys of Rotherfield Greys (c.1512-1596), and had a dau FF8 & a son GG8 (see below)
FF8) Lettice Knollys (1543-1634) m. 1) Walter Devereux, 1st Earl of Essex (see I8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00062071&tree=LEO
GG8) Henry Knollys of Ewelme (1541-1582) m. Margaret Cave (1549-1606), and had
GG9) Elizabeth Knollys m. Sir Henry Willoughby, 1st Baronet of Risley (1579-1649), and had
GG10) Anne Willoughby (1614-1688) m. 1) Sir Thomas Aston, 1st Baronet of Aston (1600-1646, descended from Edward I), and had
GG11) Magdalen Aston m. Sir Robert Burdett, 3rd Baronet of Bramcote (1640-1716, descended from Edward I), and had
GG12) Robert Burdett, Heir of Bramcote (1680-1716) m. Hon. Elizabeth Tracy (see E13 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00125438&tree=LEO
HH4) Henry Beaufort, 3rd Duke of Somerset (1436-1464) = Joan Hill, and had
HH5) Charles Somerset, 1st Earl of Worcester, illegit. (c.1460-1526) m. 1) Elizabeth Herbert (by1461-1507), and had a son HH6 & a dau II6 (see below)
HH6) Henry Somerset, 2nd Earl of Worcester (c.1496-1549) m. Elizabeth Browne (see L6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029366&tree=LEO
II6) Lady Elizabeth Somerset (d. 1545) m. 1) Sir John Savage of Clifton (1493-1528, descended from Edward I), and had
II7) Sir John Savage of Clifton (1524-1597) m. Lady Elizabeth Manners (see S7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00109148&tree=LEO
JJ3) Joan Beaufort, Queen of Scotland (c.1403-1445), m. twice, and had 2 sons JJ4 & MM4, & 1 dau KK4 (see below)
JJ4) James II, King of Scotland, by 1st husband (1430-1460) m. Mary of Guelders (1433-1463, descended from Edward I), and had
JJ5) Princess Mary Stewart (1451-1488) m. 2) James, 1st Lord Hamilton (c.1415-1479), and had
JJ6) Elizabeth Hamilton (b. c.1477) m. Matthew Stewart, 2nd Earl of Lennox (by1463-1513), and had
JJ7) Lady Janet Stewart (d. by 1523) m. Ninian, 3rd Lord Ross of Halkhead (c.1491-1556), and had
JJ8) Robert, Master of Ross (c.1517-1547) m. Agnes Moncreiffe, and had
JJ9) Elizabeth Ross (c.1545-1578) m. John, 5th Lord Fleming (see NN7 below), and had
JJ10) Jean Fleming (d. 1630) m. William Bruce, Heir of Airth (see KK8 below), and had
JJ11) Sir John Bruce, 4th Laird of Airth (d. by 1622) m. Margaret Elphinstone (see LL9 below), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00346780&tree=LEO
JJ12) Jean Bruce (d. 1671) m. Maj. David Colyear (d. 1657), and had
JJ13) Sir Alexander Colyear, 1st Baronet of Holland (c.1635-1680) m. Joan Murray, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307068&tree=LEO
JJ14) David Colyear, 1st Earl of Portmore (1657-1730) m. Catharine Sedley, Countess of Dorchester (see C13 above)
KK4) Princess Joan Stewart, by 1st husband (c.1428-aft.1486) m. James Douglas, 1st Earl of Morton (c.1438-1493), and had
KK5) John Douglas, 2nd Earl of Morton (by1466-1515) m. Janet Crichton, and had
KK6) Lady Agnes Douglas (c.1500-by1549) m. Alexander, 5th Lord Livingston (d. 1553), and had a dau KK7 & a son MM7 (see below)
KK7) Janet Livingston (d. 1599) m. Sir Alexander Bruce, 3rd Laird of Airth (d. 1600), and had
KK8) William Bruce, Heir of Airth (d. 1596) m. Jean Fleming (see JJ10 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00123554&tree=LEO
LL7) William, 6th Lord Livingston (d. 1592) m. Agnes Fleming (see MM7 below), and had
LL8) Jane Livingston (d. 1621) m. Alexander, 4th Lord Elphinstone (1552-1638, descended from James IV), and had
LL9) Margaret Elphinstone (1588-by1643) m. Sir John Bruce, 4th Laird of Airth (see JJ11 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00346781&tree=LEO
MM4) James Stewart, 1st Earl of Buchan, by 2nd husband (1442-1499) = Margaret Murray, and had
MM5) Agnes Stewart, illegit. (c.1488-1557) = James IV, King of Scotland, and had
MM6) Lady Janet Stewart, illegit. (c.1508-by1563) m. Malcolm, 3rd Lord Fleming (c.1494-1547), and had a dau MM7 & a son NN7 (see below)
MM7) Agnes Fleming (c.1537-1597) m. William, 6th Lord Livingston (see LL7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00043454&tree=LEO
NN7) John, 5th Lord Fleming (c.1540-1572) m. Elizabeth Ross (see JJ9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00055812&tree=LEO
OO1) Edmund of Langley, 1st Duke of York (1341-1402) m. 1) Isabel of Castile (1355-1392), and had
OO2) Richard of York, 3rd Earl of Cambridge (1385-1415) m. 1) Anne Mortimer (see TT4 below), and had a son OO3 & a dau PP3 (see below)
OO3) Richard, 3rd Duke of York (1411-1460) m. Cecily Neville (see S3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00001703&tree=LEO
PP3) Lady Isabel Plantagenet (1409-1484) m. Henry Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex (see PP3 below), and had
PP4) William, Lord Bourchier (c.1428-1477) m. 2) Lady Anne Woodville (c.1448-1479), and had
PP5) Cecily Bourchier (c.1473-1493) m. John Devereux, 2nd Lord Ferrers of Chartley (1464-1501, descended from Edward I), and had
PP6) Walter Devereux, 1st Viscount Hereford (c.1491-1558) m. 1) Lady Mary Grey (see J6 above), and had a son (see J7 above); m. 2) Margaret Garneys (d. 1599), and had
PP7) Sir Edward Devereux, 1st Baronet of Castle Bromwich (c.1550-1622) m. Katherine Arden (see E9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00194798&tree=LEO
QQ1) Thomas of Woodstock, Duke of Gloucester (1355-1397) m. Eleanor de Bohun (1366-1399, descended from Edward I), and had
QQ2) Anne of Gloucester (1383-1438) m. three times, and had 3 sons QQ3, RR3 & SS3 (see below)
QQ3) Henry Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex, by 3rd husband (1404-1483) m. Lady Isabel Plantagenet (see PP3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00108530&tree=LEO
RR3) Humphrey Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham, by 2nd husband (1402-1460) m. Anne Neville (see T3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026559&tree=LEO
SS3) John Bourchier, 1st Lord Berners, by 3rd husband (c.1411-1474) m. Margery Berners (1409-1475), and had
SS4) Joan Bourchier (c.1448-1470) m. Sir Henry Neville (see P4 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00057785&tree=LEO
TT1) Lionel of Antwerp, Duke of Clarence (1338-1368) m. 1) Elizabeth de Burgh (1332-1363, descended from Edward I), and had
TT2) Philippa of Clarence (1355-1377) m. Edmund Mortimer, 3rd Earl of March (1352-1381), and had a son TT3 & a dau UU3 (see below)
TT3) Roger Mortimer, 4th Earl of March (1374-1398) m. Alianore Holland (1370-1405, descended from Edward I), and had
TT4) Anne Mortimer (1388-1411) m. Richard of York, Earl of Cambridge (see OO2 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00001700&tree=LEO
UU3) Elizabeth Mortimer (1371-1417) m. 1) Sir Henry 'Hotspur' Percy (1364-1403), and had a son UU4 & a dau VV4 (see below)
UU4) Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland (1394-1455) m. Eleanor Neville (see W3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015423&tree=LEO
VV4) Elizabeth Percy (c.1395-1437) m. 1) John, 7th Lord Clifford (1388-1422, descended from Edward I), and had a son VV5 & a dau WW5 (see below)
VV5) Thomas, 8th Lord Clifford (1414-1455) m. Joan Dacre (c.1417-c.1452), and had
VV6) Maud Clifford (b. c.1436) m. 2) Sir Edmund Dudley, Heir of Dudley (c.1430-1482), and had
VV7) Jane Dudley (d. 1500) m. Sir William Middleton of Stockeld (d. 1553), and had
VV8) Thomas Middleton, Heir of Stockeld (d. 1549) m. Margaret Gascoigne (see R8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00622906&tree=LEO
WW5) Mary Clifford (c.1420-by1458) m. Sir Philip Wentworth of Nettlestead (1424-1464), and had
WW6) Sir Henry Wentworth of Nettlestead (1448-1499) m. 1) Anne Say (c.1448-aft.1489), and had a son WW7 & a dau XX7 (see below)
WW7) Sir Richard Wentworth of Nettlestead (by1480-1528) m. Anne Tyrell (descended from Edward I), and had
WW8) Thomas, 1st Baron Wentworth of Nettlested (1501-1551) m. Margaret Fortescue (see M7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00314764&tree=LEO
XX7) Elizabeth Wentworth (c.1482-aft.1545) m. 1) Roger Darcy of Maldon (1478-1508, descended from Edward I), and had
XX8) Thomas, 1st Baron Darcy of Chiche (1506-1558) m. Lady Elizabeth de Vere (descended from Edward I), and had
XX9) John, 2nd Baron Darcy of Chiche (1539-1580) m. Frances Rich, and had
XX10) Thomas Darcy, 1st Earl Rivers (1565-1640) m. Mary Kitson (1566-1644, descended from Edward I), and had
XX11) Elizabeth Darcy, Countess Rivers (d. 1651) m. Thomas, 1st Viscount Savage (see S9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00021021&tree=LEO
The next post will be the line of descent from Henry IV for Rev. Charles Thomas Moore of Appleby.
Cheers, ----Brad
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On Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:32:40 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
> Dr Michael O'Connor married 1896 at Perth, Beatrice Margaret Mary Forbes (born 1871 at Colchester, Essex, died 3 December 1905 at Akarana, Adelaide Terrace, Perth), daughter of Charles Doyly Forbes, son of James Villiers Forbes, son in turn of Gen. Thomas John Forbes. These names sound very posh, but I've been unable to place them in the baronial Forbes family of Scotland.
There may finally be a clue as to how General Thomas John Forbes fits into the Forbes family. The other day I saw this in snippet view on Google Books. It's from Debrett's Peerage:
> Dr Michael O'Connor married 1896 at Perth, Beatrice Margaret Mary Forbes (born 1871 at Colchester, Essex, died 3 December 1905 at Akarana, Adelaide Terrace, Perth), daughter of Charles Doyly Forbes, son of James Villiers Forbes, son in turn of Gen. Thomas John Forbes. These names sound very posh, but I've been unable to place them in the baronial Forbes family of Scotland.
"Grandson of late Arthur Frederick Colin Forbes, son of Capt John Villiers Forbes, 15th Bengal Inf. son of Gen Sir Thomas John Forbes, son of Col Charles Forbes, son of Hon Thomas Forbes, yst son of 2nd Earl".
http://books.google.ca/books?id=9w4MAQAAMAAJ&q=Arthur+Frederick+Colin+Forbes,+son+of+Capt+John+Villiers+Forbes&dq=Arthur+Frederick+Colin+Forbes,+son+of+Capt+John+Villiers+Forbes&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HdqYUpnKF8P3oATm24LYCg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA
It appears this is from the 1990 edition of Debretts p. 531, sub Granard.
Now, per 'Memoirs of the Earls of Granard' (1868), the 2nd Earl of Granard only had two legitimate sons, Arthur Lord Forbes & George Forbes the 3rd Earl. But it does mention Captain Thomas Forbes (1688-1782), an illegitimate son of the 2nd Earl. It mentions that this Captain Thomas in turn had a son who was a Major in the Army (pp. 80-81):
http://books.google.ca/books?id=1lEBAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
I think it is this illegitmate-born Capt. Thomas Forbes whom Debrett's mistakenly calls "Hon Thomas Forbes, yst son of the 2nd Earl". And the son this Captain Forbes had who was a Major in the Army would be the "Col Charles Forbes" mentioned by Debrett's as the father of our General Thomas John Forbes.
Gen. Thomas John Forbes appears in The Peerage website, as father of Caroline Elizabeth Forbes (1819-1903), wife of Gen. Peregrine Henry Fellowes:
http://www.thepeerage.com/p57760.htm
This is the closest I've come by far to placing John Villiers Forbes, his father, and his son within the larger Forbes family. Leo van de Pas kindly checked his 1985 edition of Debrett's, but the collateral line quoted above doesn't appear under Granard. Nor does it appear in the 2008 edition of Debrett's.
If anyone has easy access to the 1990 edition of Debrett's and can check p. 531, sub Granard, and confirm that the line appears as quoted above, I would greatly appreciate it. My thought is that Debrett's erred in 1990 in making Thomas Forbes (the grandfather of Gen. Thomas John Forbes) into a legitimate son of the 2nd Earl of Granard. They then discovered they were in error, and eliminated the collateral line from their later editions.
Behind the scenes, Leo, José Verheecke, and Olivier Guionneau, have been doing a tremendous job researching Simon Poland's ancestry. This Forbes line, for example, has led to some unexpected French and German titled families. None of the lines so far have led back to Edward I (though Olivier did trace one back to Henry III), so they fall outside the scope of my database. But anyone interested can find them in Leo's Genealogics and the Roglo database, after their latest online updates.
Cheers, ----Brad
Brad Verity
Nov 29, 2013, 2:33:48 PM11/29/13
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On Thursday, November 28, 2013 12:55:53 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
> The next post will be the line of descent from Henry IV for Rev. Charles Thomas Moore of Appleby.
Rev. Charles Thomas Moore was born 3 February 1847 at Appleby Hall, Leicestershire, christened 15 April 1847 at St Michael & All Angels Church, Appleby Magna, Leicestershire. He was Rector of Appleby 1877-1922, and died 21 July 1924 at Hill House, Ashby de la Zouche, Leicestershire. He married 7 January 1880 at All Saints Church, Kirkby Mallory, Leicestershire, Mabel Charlotte Byron.
> The next post will be the line of descent from Henry IV for Rev. Charles Thomas Moore of Appleby.
Leo has Rev. Moore in his database, with no dates or parents, here:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307004&tree=LEO
All of the descents from Edward III for Mabel Byron have been posted, as has Rev. Moore's line of descent from Henry VII. That line is through Rev. Moore's father, George Moore of Appleby Hall (1811-1871). Through his mother, Isabel Clara Holden (born 1810 at Aston Hall, Aston-upon-Trent, Derbyshire, christened 28 October 1810 at All Saints Church, Aston-upon-Trent; married 8 January 1839 at All Saints Church, Aston-upon-Trent; died 17 January 1867 at Appleby Hall, Leicestershire, buried 23 January 1867 at St Michael & All Angels Church, Appleby Magna), who was the second wife of his father, Rev. Moore has a 17-generation line of descent from Henry IV.
Henry IV had a son:
1) Humphrey, 1st Duke of Gloucester (1390-1447) m. 2) Eleanor Cobham (c.1400-1452), and had
2) Antigone of Lancaster, illegit. (b. c.1420) m. 1) Henry Gray, 2nd Count of Tancarville (1420-1450, descended from Edward I), and had
3) Elizabeth Gray (b. c.1440) m. Sir Roger Kynaston of Hordley (d. 1495), and had
4) Margaret Kynaston m. Sir Richard Hanmer of Hanmer Hall, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00612761&tree=LEO
5) David Hanmer of Ebnal m. Elizabeth Twyford, and had
6) Richard Hanmer of Ebnal (d. 1578) m. Anne Ferch Dafydd of Swydd-y-Derwen, and had
7) Edward Hanmer of Ebnal (d. 1604) m. 2) Jane Corbet (descended from Edward I), and had
8) Mary Hanmer (b. 1602) m. Richard Pope of Ebnal (1589-1636), and had
9) Roger Pope of Wolstaston (b. 1624) m. Margaret Mytton (descended from Edward I), and had
10) Roger Pope of Wolstaston (c.1644-1710) m. Mary Weld (d. 1669), and had
11) Roger Pope, Heir of Wolstaston (1668-1706) m. Elizabeth Bromwich (1663-1697), and had
12) Elizabeth Pope (1684-1735) m. William Whitmore of Apley Park (1682-1725), and had
13) Sir Thomas Whitmore of Apley Park (1711-1773) m. Anne Cope (d. 1775, descended from Edward I), and had
14) Anne Sophia Whitmore (d. 1809) m. Anthony Deane of Bath (1729-1811, descended from Edward III), and had
15) Rosamund Amelia Deane (1772-1820) m. Rev. Charles Holden [formerly Shuttleworth] of Aston Hall (1749-1821, descended from Edward III), and had
16) Isabel Clara Holden (1810-1867) m. George Moore of Appleby Hall (1811-1871, descended from Henry VII), and had
17) Rev. Charles Thomas Moore of Appleby (1847-1924), maternal grandfather of Australia's 11th Baron Byron, and ancestor of British actor Simon Poland
My final post to complete the 11th Baron Byron's royal lines, will be all of the remaining Edward III descents for Rev. Charles Moore.
Cheers, -----Brad
wjhonson
Nov 29, 2013, 4:51:53 PM11/29/13
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Brad do you not have or did you overlook Simon Poland's E3 descent through Elizabeth Heneage the wife of Basil FitzHerbert ?
Let me know that you don't have it, and I'll spout it out.
Brad Verity
Nov 29, 2013, 6:11:52 PM11/29/13
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On Friday, November 29, 2013 1:51:53 PM UTC-8, wjhonson wrote:
> Brad do you not have or did you overlook Simon Poland's E3 descent through Elizabeth Heneage the wife of Basil FitzHerbert ?
> Let me know that you don't have it, and I'll spout it out.
Dear Will,
> Brad do you not have or did you overlook Simon Poland's E3 descent through Elizabeth Heneage the wife of Basil FitzHerbert ?
> Let me know that you don't have it, and I'll spout it out.
I've been entering the Barons Stafford in my database using the Burke's Peerage Stafford article. The Fitzherbert ancestry is at the very end of the article, so, no, I don't have it entered yet.
Thanks & Cheers, ----Brad
wjhonson
Nov 29, 2013, 7:02:32 PM11/29/13
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jhigg...@yahoo.com
Nov 29, 2013, 7:54:02 PM11/29/13
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On Thursday, November 28, 2013 12:55:53 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:33:54 AM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
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> > My next post will cover all of the remaining Edward III descents, including those from James I and James II of Scotland, within the paternal Byron ancestry of the 11th Baron Byron.
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> The 11th Baron's father was Col. Wilfrid Byron of South Perth, Western Australia. He was born 31 January 1871 at Stoke Talmage, Oxfordshire, and died 7 November 1936 at Hardy Street, South Perth, buried 9 November 1936 at Karrakatta Cemetery, Perth. There is a portrait of Col. Wilfrid (as leader of the 3rd/1st Leicestershire Yeomanry, here (scroll down a bit):
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> http://www.paoyeomanry.co.uk/PM/LY3rd1stWW1.htm
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> Col. Wilfrid married 25 September 1901 at St Michael & All Angels Church, Appleby Magna, Leicestershire, Sylvia Mary Moore (born 18 October 1880 at Appleby Hall, Leicestershire; died 27 December 1952, Hampshire). Sylvia was the daughter of Wilfrid's first cousin, Mabel Charlotte Byron (born 20 April 1853 at Bryanstone Square, Westminster; died 19 December 1926 at Lavender Cottage, Appleby Magna).
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> Below are the 50 separate lines of descent from Edward III (excluding some from James IV, which have already been posted) for Col. Wilfrid Byron & for his first cousin Mabel Byron Moore. As usual, links to individuals in Leo's database are included for each line.
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> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:33:54 AM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
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> > My next post will cover all of the remaining Edward III descents, including those from James I and James II of Scotland, within the paternal Byron ancestry of the 11th Baron Byron.
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> The 11th Baron's father was Col. Wilfrid Byron of South Perth, Western Australia. He was born 31 January 1871 at Stoke Talmage, Oxfordshire, and died 7 November 1936 at Hardy Street, South Perth, buried 9 November 1936 at Karrakatta Cemetery, Perth. There is a portrait of Col. Wilfrid (as leader of the 3rd/1st Leicestershire Yeomanry, here (scroll down a bit):
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> http://www.paoyeomanry.co.uk/PM/LY3rd1stWW1.htm
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> Col. Wilfrid married 25 September 1901 at St Michael & All Angels Church, Appleby Magna, Leicestershire, Sylvia Mary Moore (born 18 October 1880 at Appleby Hall, Leicestershire; died 27 December 1952, Hampshire). Sylvia was the daughter of Wilfrid's first cousin, Mabel Charlotte Byron (born 20 April 1853 at Bryanstone Square, Westminster; died 19 December 1926 at Lavender Cottage, Appleby Magna).
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> Below are the 50 separate lines of descent from Edward III (excluding some from James IV, which have already been posted) for Col. Wilfrid Byron & for his first cousin Mabel Byron Moore. As usual, links to individuals in Leo's database are included for each line.
>
>
> R6) Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe Hall (c.1450-1487) m. Margaret Percy (see Z5 below), and had
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> R7) Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe Hall (1468-1551) m. 1) Alice Frognall, and had
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> R8) Margaret Gascoigne m. Thomas Middleton, Heir of Stockeld (see VV8 below), and had
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> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00622907&tree=LEO
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> R9) Margaret Middleton (d. 1562) m. Henry Witham of Ledston Hall (d. 1572), and had
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> R10) William Witham of Ledston Hall (1546-1593) m. Ellen Neale (d. 1619), and had
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> R11) Elizabeth Witham (b. 1574) m. William Westropp of Cornborough (1571-1603, descended from Edward I), and had
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> R12) Thomas Westropp of Newham Hall (1601-1656) m. Isabell (----), and had
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> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00629499&tree=LEO
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> R13) Mountfort Westropp of Kilkerin (1638-1698) m. Frances Taylor (d. 1706), and had
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> R14) Ralph Westropp of Cahirduggan (d. 1741) m. Hannah Roberts, and had
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> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00480648&tree=LEO
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> R15) Randall Westropp of Cork (c.1712-1777) m. Peniel Becher (1716-1792), and had
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> R16) Capt. Michael Roberts Westropp of Cork (1737-1830) m. Jane Godsell (d. 1819), and had
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> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00236751&tree=LEO
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> R17) Emily Anne Westropp (1787-1866) m. Sir Thomas McMahon, 2nd Baronet of Ashley Manor (1779-1860), and had
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> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307502&tree=LEO
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> R18) Frederica McMahon (1829-1903) m. Hon. Rev. Augustus Byron of Kirkby Mallory (see B17 above)
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> Cheers, ----Brad
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> R7) Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe Hall (1468-1551) m. 1) Alice Frognall, and had
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> R8) Margaret Gascoigne m. Thomas Middleton, Heir of Stockeld (see VV8 below), and had
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> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00622907&tree=LEO
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> R9) Margaret Middleton (d. 1562) m. Henry Witham of Ledston Hall (d. 1572), and had
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> R10) William Witham of Ledston Hall (1546-1593) m. Ellen Neale (d. 1619), and had
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> R11) Elizabeth Witham (b. 1574) m. William Westropp of Cornborough (1571-1603, descended from Edward I), and had
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> R12) Thomas Westropp of Newham Hall (1601-1656) m. Isabell (----), and had
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> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00629499&tree=LEO
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> R13) Mountfort Westropp of Kilkerin (1638-1698) m. Frances Taylor (d. 1706), and had
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> R14) Ralph Westropp of Cahirduggan (d. 1741) m. Hannah Roberts, and had
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> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00480648&tree=LEO
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> R15) Randall Westropp of Cork (c.1712-1777) m. Peniel Becher (1716-1792), and had
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> R16) Capt. Michael Roberts Westropp of Cork (1737-1830) m. Jane Godsell (d. 1819), and had
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> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00236751&tree=LEO
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> R17) Emily Anne Westropp (1787-1866) m. Sir Thomas McMahon, 2nd Baronet of Ashley Manor (1779-1860), and had
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> http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307502&tree=LEO
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> R18) Frederica McMahon (1829-1903) m. Hon. Rev. Augustus Byron of Kirkby Mallory (see B17 above)
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>
Brad:
What is your Edward I descent for William Westropp of Cornborough (husband of R11 above)?
Thanks!!
jhigg...@yahoo.com
Nov 29, 2013, 8:15:45 PM11/29/13
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Brad Verity
Nov 29, 2013, 8:51:21 PM11/29/13
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On Friday, November 29, 2013 5:15:45 PM UTC-8, jhigg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > What is your Edward I descent for William Westropp of Cornborough (husband of R11 above)?
> > What is your Edward I descent for William Westropp of Cornborough (husband of R11 above)?
> Ignore that question.....I found the Edward I descent - through Sayer of Worsall and Conyers of Hornby.
Dear John,
Yes, that's it exactly.
Cheers, ----Brad
wjhonson
Nov 29, 2013, 10:30:07 PM11/29/13
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I also find it interesting that Anthony Eden descends from this family, his grandmother Georgina was the daughter of Trever (1809-1899)
wjhonson
Nov 29, 2013, 10:45:11 PM11/29/13
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On Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:49:54 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
> Simon Poland is a British character actor who has appeared on stage, film, and television. He is not a star by any means, bu
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by the way since you're collecting curious details on Simon's ancestors
> Simon Poland is a British character actor who has appeared on stage, film, and television. He is not a star by any means, bu
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>
did you happen to notice that the
Aquarius Wilhelm Albert /Schaffalitzky de Mokadel/
did not just *die* in 1820 in Manilla
he was murdered during a slave uprising
that's a bit more interesting that just dying
wjhonson
Nov 30, 2013, 2:24:57 PM11/30/13
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On Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:49:54 PM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
However Brad, the family legend that this line descends from Pocahontas is fatally flawed by chronology.
Brad Verity
Dec 3, 2013, 1:45:50 PM12/3/13
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On Friday, November 29, 2013 11:33:48 AM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
> My final post to complete the 11th Baron Byron's royal lines, will be all of the remaining Edward III descents for Rev. Charles Moore.
Rev. Charles Moore has more than double the lines of Descent from Edward III than his wife Mabel Byron. Since there are so many lines I've split them up into two posts. This first post will include all of Rev. Moore's descents from Edward III's grandson John Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset, and the final post will be all of the remaining Edward III descents.
> My final post to complete the 11th Baron Byron's royal lines, will be all of the remaining Edward III descents for Rev. Charles Moore.
Rev. Moore's lines of descent from Henry VII of England, James IV of Scotland, and Henry IV of England have already been posted, those are not included here. Nor is the Rev. Moore's lines of descent from Edward III thru his ancestor Hon. Elizabeth Tracy. Rev. Moore is a descendant of Elizabeth through her second marriage. As Rev. Moore's wife Mabel Byron is also a descendant of Hon. Elizabeth Tracy, through her first marriage, all of Elizabeth's lines of descent from Edward III have already been posted previously in this thread, and won't be repeated here.
What is presented are 92 separate lines of descent from Edward III, as follows, with links to the most recent individual in Leo's database, for each line.
Edward III had 4 sons, A1, EEEE1, IIII1 & KKKK1 (see Part II)
A1) John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster (1340-1399) m. three times, and had 2 sons A2 & QQ2, and 2 daus RR2 & DDDD2 (see Part II)
A2) John Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset, by 3rd wife (1373-1410) m. Margaret Holland (1383-1439, descended from Edward I), and had a dau A3 & 2 sons GG3 & HH3 (see below)
A3) Joan Beaufort, Queen of Scotland (c.1403-1445), m. twice, and had 3 sons A4, V4 & W4, & 2 daus U4 & BB4 (see below)
A4) John Stewart, 1st Earl of Atholl, by 2nd husband (c.1440-1512) m. twice, and had a son J5 & 7 daus A5, D5, E5, M5, N5, Q5 & S5 (see below)
A5) Lady Marjory Stewart (d. 1524) m. Colin Campbell, 3rd Laird of Glenorchy (c.1468-1523), and had
A6) Colin Campbell, 6th Laird of Glenorchy (1499-1583) m. twice, and had 2 daus A7 & B7, and a son C7 (see below)
A7) Beatrix Campbell, by 1st wife (see W7 below) (b. c.1548) m. Sir John Campbell, 3rd Laird of Lawers (c.1545-bef.1611), and had
A8) Colin Campbell, 1st Laird of Aberuchill Castle (c.1575-1618) m. Jean Colville, and had
A9) Jean Campbell m. James Drummond, 1st Laird of Megginch Castle (d. 1679), and had
A10) Adam Drummond, 2nd Laird of Megginch Castle (1649-1709) m. Alison Hay, and had
A11) John Drummond, 3rd Laird of Megginch Castle (d. 1752) m. Bethia Murray (see D11 below), and had
A12) Colin Drummond of Quebec (1722-1776) m. Katherine Oliphant (d. 1810), and had
A13) John Drummond, 5th Laird of Megginch Castle (1754-1835) m. Lady Susan Fane (see B15 below), and had
A14) Susan Drummond (1793-1813) m. George Moore of Appleby House (1778-1827), and had
A15) George Moore of Appleby Hall (1811-1871) m. 2) Isabel Clara Holden (see EEE15 in Part II), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00136380&tree=LEO
A16) Rev. Charles Thomas Moore of Appleby (1847-1924), maternal grandfather of Australia's 11th Baron Byron, and ancestor of British actor Simon Poland
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00307004&tree=LEO
B7) Margaret Campbell, by 2nd wife (d. 1610) m. James Cunningham, 6th Earl of Glencairn (see below), and had
B8) Lady Anne Cunningham (d. 1647) m. James, 2nd Marquess of Hamilton (see Z9 below), and had
B9) James, 1st Duke of Hamilton (1606-1649) m. Lady Mary Feilding (see DDD11 in Part II), and had
B10) Anne, 3rd Duchess of Hamilton (1632-1716) m. William, 3rd Duke of Hamilton (see F10 below), and had
B11) Lady Katherine Hamilton (1662-1707) m. John Murray, 1st Duke of Atholl (see C10 below), and had
B12) Lady Anna Susan Murray (1699-1725) m. William Gordon, 2nd Earl of Aberdeen (see E12 below), and had
B13) Lady Katharine Gordon (1718-1779) m. 1) Cosmo George, 3rd Duke of Gordon (see H13 below), and had
B14) Lady Susan Gordon (1746-1814) m. 1) John Fane, 9th Earl of Westmorland (see HH15 below), and had
B15) Lady Susan Fane (1768-1793) m. John Drummond, 5th Laird of Megginch Castle (see A13 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00188935&tree=LEO
C7) Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Baronet of Glenorchy, by 2nd wife (1551-1631) m. 2) Hon. Elizabeth Sinclair (see P9 below), and had
C8) Jean Campbell (d. by 1627) m. John Murray, 1st Earl of Atholl (see J10 below), and had
C9) John Murray, 1st Marquess of Atholl (1631-1703) m. Lady Amelia Ann Sophia Stanley (see PP11 below), and had
C10) John Murray, 1st Duke of Atholl (1660-1724) m. 1) Lady Katherine Hamilton (see B11 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00004146&tree=LEO
D5) Lady Joan Stewart, by 2nd wife (d. 1522) m. 1) James, 13th Laird of Arbuthnott (d. 1521), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006031&tree=LEO
D6) Isabel Arbuthnott (d. 1558) m. Sir Robert Maule, Laird of Panmure (c.1497-1560), and had
D7) William Maule of Glaster (c.1545-1619) m. Bethia Guthrie (d. 1624), and had
D8) Bethia Maule m. James Murray of Deuchar (c.1570-1649), and had
D9) Sir Patrick Murray of Deuchar (1626-1689) m. Eupheme Baird, and had
D10) James Murray of Deuchar (1657-1706) m. Anna Carre (1654-by1700), and had
D11) Bethia Murray m. John Drummond, 3rd Laird of Megginch Castle (see A11 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00081482&tree=LEO
E5) Lady Elizabeth Stewart, by 2nd wife, m. three times, and had a dau E6 & a son G6 (see below)
E6) Margaret Robertson, by 1st husband m. George Hay, 7th Earl of Erroll (see U7 below), and had 2 daus E7 & F7 (see below)
E7) Lady Elizabeth Hay (b. c.1533) m. William Keith, Master of Marischal (see N8 below), and had
E8) Jean Keith m. James Gordon of Haddo (d. 1623), and had
E9) George Gordon, Heir of Haddo (d. 1610) m. Margaret Bannerman, and had
E10) Sir John Gordon, 1st Baronet of Haddo (1610-1644) m. Mary Forbes (see FF10 below), and had
E11) George Gordon, 1st Earl of Aberdeen (1637-1720) m. Anne Lockhart (d. 1707), and had
E12) William Gordon, 2nd Earl of Aberdeen (1679-1745) m. 2) Lady Anna Susan Murray (see B12 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029266&tree=LEO
F7) Lady Margaret Hay (c.1534-c.1594) m. Laurence, 4th Lord Oliphant (1529-1593), and had
F8) Elizabeth Oliphant m. William Douglas, 10th Earl of Angus (c.1554-1611), and had
F9) William, 1st Marquess of Douglas (1589-1660) m. 2) Lady Mary Gordon (see G9 below), and had
F10) William, 3rd Duke of Hamilton (1634-1694) m. Anne, 3rd Duchess of Hamilton (see B10 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029423&tree=LEO
G6) John Stuart, 5th Seigneur of Aubigny, by 2nd husband (see X7 below) (c.1519-1567) m. Anne de la Queuille, and had
G7) Esmé Stuart, 1st Duke of Lennox (c.1543-1583) m. Catherine Balzac (d. c.1631), and had a dau G8 & a son I8 (see below)
G8) Lady Henrietta Stuart (c.1573-1642) m. George Gordon, 1st Marquess of Huntly (see S9 below), and had a dau G9 & a son H9 (see below)
G9) Lady Mary Gordon (1610-1674) m. William, 1st Marquess of Douglas (see F9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00051855&tree=LEO
H9) George Gordon, 2nd Marquess of Huntly (c.1590-1649) m. Lady Anne Campbell (see O10 below), and had
H10) Lewis Gordon, 3rd Marquess of Huntly (c.1612-1653) m. Mary Grant (see K10 below), and had
H11) George, 1st Duke of Gordon (by1649-1716) m. Lady Elizabeth Howard (see I11 below), and had
H12) Alexander, 2nd Duke of Gordon (c.1678-1728) m. Lady Henrietta Mordaunt (see GG14 below), and had
H13) Cosmo George, 3rd Duke of Gordon (1720-1752) m. Lady Katharine Gordon (see B13 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00008563&tree=LEO
I8) Esmé Stuart, 3rd Duke of Lennox (1579-1624) m. Katherine Clifton (see III9 in Part II), and had
I9) Lady Elizabeth Stuart (1610-1674) m. Henry Frederick Howard, 15th Earl of Arundel & Surrey (see II13 below), and had
I10) Henry Howard, 6th Duke of Norfolk (1628-1684) m. Lady Anne Somerset (see JJ11 below), and had
I11) Lady Elizabeth Howard (1658-1732) m. George, 1st Duke of Gordon (see H11 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00007993&tree=LEO
J5) John Stewart, 2nd Earl of Atholl, by 2nd wife (d. 1521) m. Lady Janet Campbell (d. 1546), and had a son J6 & 2 daus K6 & L6 (see below)
J6) John Stewart, 3rd Earl of Atholl (1507-1542) m. 1) Grizel Rattray (d. by 1541), and had
J7) John Stewart, 4th Earl of Atholl (d. 1579) m. 2) Margaret Fleming (see V7 below), and had
J8) John Stewart, 5th Earl of Atholl (1563-1595) m. Lady Mary Ruthven (see L8 below), and had
J9) Lady Dorothy Stewart (d. by 1628) m. William Murray, 2nd Earl of Tullibardine (see Q9 below), and had
J10) John Murray, 1st Earl of Atholl (d. 1642) m. Jean Campbell (see C8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029316&tree=LEO
K6) Lady Margaret Stewart (c.1521-1555) m. John Grant, 4th Laird of Freuchie (see M7 below), and had
K7) Duncan Grant of Corriemony (c.1541-1582) m. Margaret Mackintosh, and had
K8) John Grant, 5th Laird of Freuchie (c.1569-1622) m. Lady Lilias Murray (see R9 below), and had
K9) John Grant, 6th Laird of Freuchie (1596-1637) m. Mary Ogilvy (see below), and had
K10) Mary Grant (d. aft.1707) m. Lewis Gordon, 3rd Marquess of Huntly (see H10 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00017597&tree=LEO
L6) Lady Janet Stewart m. 3) Henry Stewart, 1st Lord Methven (c.1495-1554), and had
L7) Dorothy Stewart (d. aft.1605) m. William Ruthven, 1st Earl of Gowrie (c.1543-1584), and had
L8) Lady Mary Ruthven m. 1) John Stewart, 5th Earl of Atholl (see J8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00042751&tree=LEO
M5) Lady Katherine Stewart, by 2nd wife (c.1480-by1510) m. John, 6th Lord Forbes (c.1472-1547), and had
M6) Elizabeth Forbes (b. c.1500) m. James Grant, 3rd Laird of Freuchie (c.1485-1553), and had
M7) John Grant, 4th Laird of Freuchie (c.1520-1585) m. 1) Lady Margaret Stewart (see K6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00135774&tree=LEO
N5) Lady Elizabeth Stewart, by 1st wife (c.1465-by1500) m. Andrew, 2nd Lord Gray (c.1449-1514), and had
N6) Janet Gray (c.1489-1539) m. 3) William Keith, Heir of Inverugie (1470-bef.1521), and had 2 daus N7 & P7 (see below)
N7) Margaret Keith (c.1518-by1563) m. William Keith, 3rd Earl Marischal (see BB7 below), and had a son N8 & a dau O8 (see below)
N8) William Keith, Master of Marischal (c.1535-1580) m. Lady Elizabeth Hay (see E7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00086942&tree=LEO
O8) Lady Anne Keith (c.1544-1588) m. 2) Colin Campbell, 6th Earl of Argyll (see T8 below), and had
O9) Archibald Campbell, 7th Earl of Argyll (1575-1638) m. 1) Lady Agnes Douglas (1574-1607), and had
O10) Lady Anne Campbell (1594-1638) m. George Gordon, 2nd Marquess of Huntly (see H9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00017594&tree=LEO
P7) Elizabeth Keith (c.1520-by1604) m. William, 7th Lord Forbes (1513-1593), and had
P8) Elizabeth Forbes (b. 1545) m. Henry, 5th Lord Sinclair (1528-1601), and had
P9) Hon. Elizabeth Sinclair (d. 1654) m. Sir Duncan Campbell, 1st Baronet of Glenorchy (see C7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00082244&tree=LEO
Q5) Lady Margaret Stewart, by 2nd wife, m. Sir William Murray of Castleton (d. 1513), and had
Q6) Sir William Murray of Tullibardine (c.1490-1563) m. Katherine Campbell (d. aft.1576), and had
Q7) Sir William Murray of Tullibardine (c.1520-1583) m. Lady Agnes Graham, and had
Q8) John Murray, 1st Earl of Tullibardine (1550-1613) m. Katherine Drummond (b. c.1555), and had a son Q9 & a dau R9 (see below)
Q9) William Murray, 2nd Earl of Tullibardine (c.1574-1627) m. 2) Lady Dorothy Stewart (see J9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029317&tree=LEO
R9) Lady Lilias Murray (c.1572-1644) m. John Grant, 5th Laird of Freuchie (see K8 above)
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S5) Lady Joan Stewart, by 1st wife (c.1463-1510) m. Alexander Gordon, 3rd Earl of Huntly (c.1464-1524), and had a son S6 & a dau T6 (see below)
S6) John Gordon, Master of Huntly (c.1492-1517) m. Lady Margaret Stewart (b. 1497), illegit. dau. of James IV, and had
S7) George Gordon, 4th Earl of Huntly (1513-1562) m. Lady Elizabeth Keith (see CC7 below), and had
S8) George Gordon, 5th Earl of Huntly (c.1534-1576) m. Lady Anne Hamilton (see Y8 below), and had
S9) George Gordon, 1st Marquess of Huntly (1562-1636) m. Lady Henrietta Stuart (see G8 above)
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T6) Lady Jean Gordon (b. c.1490) m. Colin Campbell, 3rd Earl of Argyll (c.1487-1529), and had
T7) Archibald Campbell, 4th Earl of Argyll (1508-1558) m. 2) Lady Margaret Graham (d. by 1546), and had
T8) Colin Campbell, 6th Earl of Argyll (c.1542-1584) m. 2) Lady Anne Keith (see O8 above)
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U4) Princess Annabella Stewart, by 1st husband (b. c.1435) m. 2) (div.) George Gordon, 2nd Earl of Huntly (1441-1501), and had
U5) Lady Isabel Gordon (c.1462-by1485) m. William Hay, 3rd Earl of Erroll (c.1452-1507), and had
U6) Thomas Hay of Logy Almond (c.1480-1513) m. Margaret Logie, and had
U7) George Hay, 7th Earl of Erroll (c.1500-1574) m. 1) Margaret Robertson (see E6 above)
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V4) James Stewart, 1st Earl of Buchan, by 2nd husband (1442-1499) = Margaret Murray, and had
V5) Agnes Stewart, illegit. (c.1488-1557) = James IV, King of Scotland, and had
V6) Lady Janet Stewart, illegit. (c.1508-by1563) m. Malcolm, 3rd Lord Fleming (c.1494-1547), and had
V7) Margaret Fleming (c.1527-by1587) m. 3) John Stewart, 4th Earl of Atholl (see J7 above)
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W4) James II, King of Scotland, by 1st husband (1430-1460) m. Mary of Guelders (1433-1463, descended from Edward I), and had a son W5 & a dau X5 (see below)
W5) Alexander Stewart, 1st Duke of Albany (c.1454-1485) m. 1) (div.) Lady Catherine Sinclair, and had
W6) Alexander Stewart, Bishop of Moray (c.1472-1537) = unknown mistress, and had
W7) Margaret Stewart (d. by 1550) m. 2) Colin Campbell, 6th Laird of Glenorchy (see A6 above), and had (see A7 above)
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X5) Princess Mary Stewart (1451-1488) m. 2) James, 1st Lord Hamilton (c.1415-1479), and had a dau X6 & a son Y6 (see below)
X6) Elizabeth Hamilton (b. c.1477) m. Matthew Stewart, 2nd Earl of Lennox (by1463-1513), and had
X7) John Stewart, 3rd Earl of Lennox (c.1495-1526) m. Lady Elizabeth Stewart (see E5 above), and had a son (see G6 above)
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Y6) James Hamilton, 1st Earl of Arran (c.1475-1529), had a son Y7 & a dau AA7 (see below)
Y7) James Hamilton, Duke of Châtelherault, by 2nd wife (c.1519-1575) m. Lady Margaret Douglas (see EE7 below), and had a dau Y8 & a son Z8 (see below)
Y8) Lady Anne Hamilton (b. c.1542) m. George Gordon, 5th Earl of Huntly (see S8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00017591&tree=LEO
Z8) John, 1st Marquess of Hamilton (c.1540-1604) m. Margaret Lyon (see DD8 below), and had
Z9) James, 2nd Marquess of Hamilton (1589-1625) m. Lady Anne Cunningham (see B8 above)
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AA7) Joan Hamilton, illegit. m. Alexander Cunningham, 4th Earl of Glencairn (c.1510-1574) ,and had
AA8) William Cunningham, 5th Earl of Glencairn (d. 1580) m. Janet Gordon (d. 1596), and had
AA9) James Cunningham, 6th Earl of Glencairn (d. 1630) m. Margaret Campbell (see B7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00082385&tree=LEO
BB4) Princess Joan Stewart, by 1st husband (c.1428-aft.1486) m. James Douglas, 1st Earl of Morton (c.1438-1493), and had a son BB5 & a dau FF5 (see below)
BB5) John Douglas, 2nd Earl of Morton (by1466-1515) m. Janet Crichton, and had a dau BB6 & a son EE6 (see below)
BB6) Lady Elizabeth Douglas m. Robert Keith, Master of Marischal (d. 1524), and had a son BB7 & 2 daus CC7 & DD7 (see below)
BB7) William Keith, 3rd Earl Marischal (c.1510-1581) m. Margaret Keith (see N7 above)
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CC7) Lady Elizabeth Keith (b. c.1515) m. George Gordon, 4th Earl of Huntly (see S7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00006124&tree=LEO
DD7) Lady Janet Keith (c.1524-1559) m. John Lyon, 7th Lord Glamis (1521-by1559), and had
DD8) Margaret Lyon (c.1545-1625) m. 2) John, 1st Marquess of Hamilton (see Z8 above)
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EE6) James Douglas, 3rd Earl of Morton (d. 1550) m. Lady Katherine Stewart (c.1494-aft.1554), illegit. dau of James IV, and had
EE7) Lady Margaret Douglas (c.1516-aft.1579) m. James Hamilton, Duke of Châtelherault (see Y7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00017589&tree=LEO
FF5) Lady Janet Douglas (c.1464-c.1488) m. Patrick Hepburn, 1st Earl of Bothwell (c.1455-1508), and had
FF6) Lady Joan Hepburn (c.1488-1558) m. George, 3rd Lord Seton (d. 1513), and had
FF7) George, 4th Lord Seton (c.1508-1549) m. 1) Elizabeth Hay (d. by 1539), and had
FF8) Beatrix Seton m. George Ogilvy of Dunlugas (d. 1621), and had
FF9) Janet Ogilvy m. William Forbes, 8th Laird of Tolquhoun (d. 1602), and had
FF10) Mary Forbes (d. by 1643) m. Sir John Gordon, 1st Baronet of Haddo (see E10 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00090829&tree=LEO
GG3) John Beaufort, 1st Duke of Somerset (1404-1444) = unidentified mistress, and had
GG4) Tacyn Beaufort, illegit. (c.1428-1494) m. Reginald Grey, 7th Lord Grey of Wilton (1421-1494, descended from Edward I), and had
GG5) John Grey, 8th Lord Grey of Wilton (c.1445-1499) m. Lady Anne Grey (see UUU5 in Part II), and had
GG6) Edmund, 9th Lord Grey of Wilton (by1468-1511) m. Florence Hastings, and had
GG7) Elizabeth Grey (d. 1559) m. John Brydges, 1st Baron Chandos of Sudeley (1492-1557), and had
GG8) Edmund Brydges, 2nd Baron Chandos of Sudeley (by1520-1573) m. Dorothy Bray (1529-1605), and had
GG9) William Brydges, 4th Baron Chandos of Sudeley (c.1552-1602) m. Mary Hopton (d. 1624, descended from Edward I), and had
GG10) Hon. Frances Brydges (1576-1663) m. 1) Sir Thomas Smith of Parsons Green (c.1556-1609), and had
GG11) Margaret Smith (1606-1673) m. 1) Hon. Thomas Carey of Brightwells (see MM9 below), and had
GG12) Elizabeth Carey (1632-1679) m. John, 1st Viscount Mordaunt of Avalon (see KK11 below), and had
GG13) Charles Mordaunt, 3rd Earl of Peterborough (1658-1735) m. Carey Fraser (see OO11 below), and had
GG14) Lady Henrietta Mordaunt (1682-1760) m. Alexander, 2nd Duke of Gordon (see H12 above)
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HH3) Edmund Beaufort, 2nd Duke of Somerset (1406-1455) m. Eleanor Beauchamp (1408-1467, descended from Edward I), and had 2 daus HH4 & MM4, and a son LL4 (see below)
HH4) Lady Margaret Beaufort (c.1437-1480) m. 1) Humphrey Stafford, Earl of Stafford (see JJJ4 in Part II), and had
HH5) Henry Stafford, 2nd Duke of Buckingham (1455-1483) m. Katherine Woodville (c.1458-1497), and had a son HH6 & a dau JJ6 (see below)
HH6) Edward Stafford, 3rd Duke of Buckingham (1478-1521) m. Lady Eleanor Percy (see QQQ6 in Part II), and had 2 daus HH7 & II7 (see below)
HH7) Lady Mary Stafford (c.1503-by1529) m. George Neville, 5th Lord
Abergavenny (see RR5 in Part II), and had
HH8) Henry Neville, 6th Lord Abergavenny (1520-1587) m. 1) Lady Frances Manners (see NNN7 in Part II), and had
HH9) Mary Neville, 7th Baroness Le Despenser (1554-1626) m. Sir Thomas Fane of Badsell (1536-1589), and had
HH10) Francis Fane, 1st Earl of Westmorland (1584-1629) m. Mary Mildmay (1582-1640), and had
HH11) Sir Francis Fane of Fulbeck Hall (1611-1680) m. Elizabeth West (see AAAA11 in Part II), and had
HH12) Sir Francis Fane of Fulbeck Hall (c.1639-1691) m. Hannah Rushworth (see SSS12 in Part II), and had
HH13) Henry Fane of Bristol (1669-1726) m. Anne Scrope (see QQ12 in Part II), and had
HH14) Thomas Fane, 8th Earl of Westmorland (1701-1771) m. Elizabeth Swymmer (1698-1782), and had
HH15) John Fane, 9th Earl of Westmorland (1728-1774) m. 2) Lady Susan Gordon (see B14 above)
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II7) Lady Elizabeth Stafford (1497-1558) m. Thomas Howard, 3rd Duke of Norfolk (1473-1554, descended from Edward I), and had
II8) Henry Howard, Earl of Surrey (1516-1547) m. Lady Frances Vere (1517-1577, descended from Edward I), and had
II9) Thomas Howard, 4th Duke of Norfolk (1538-1572) m. 1) Lady Mary Fitzalan (see TT8 in Part II), and had
II10) Philip Howard, 13th Earl of Arundel (1557-1595) m. Anne Dacre (see XX8 in Part II), and had
II11) Thomas Howard, 14th Earl of Arundel & Surrey (1585-1646) m. Lady Alethea Talbot (see ZZ9 in Part II), and had
II13) Henry Frederick Howard, 15th Earl of Arundel & Surrey (1608-1652) m. Lady Elizabeth Stuart (see I9 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00007960&tree=LEO
JJ6) Lady Anne Stafford (c.1483-1544) m. 2) George Hastings, 1st Earl of Huntingdon (see UU6 in Part II), and had
JJ7) Francis Hastings, 2nd Earl of Huntingdon (1514-1560) m. Katherine Pole (see RR7 in Part II), and had 2 daus JJ8 & KK8 (see below)
JJ8) Lady Elizabeth Hastings (c.1555-1621) m. Edward Somerset, 4th Earl of Worcester (see LL8 below), and had
JJ9) Henry Somerset, 1st Marquess of Worcester (1577-1646) m. Anne Russell (c.1577-1639), and had
JJ10) Edward Somerset, 2nd Marquess of Worcester (c.1602-1667) m. 1) Elizabeth Dormer (see YY10 in Part II), and had
JJ11) Lady Anne Somerset (1631-1662) m. Henry Howard, 6th Duke of Norfolk (see I10 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00007965&tree=LEO
KK8) Lady Frances Hastings (d. 1574) m. Henry, 1st Baron Compton of Compton (see KKK7 in Part II), and had
KK9) Hon. Margaret Compton (d. 1644) m. Henry, 4th Baron Mordaunt of Turvey (see BBBB10 in Part II), and had
KK10) John Mordaunt, 1st Earl of Peterborough (1599-1643) m. Hon. Elizabeth Howard (see NN10 below), and had
KK11) John, 1st Viscount Mordaunt of Avalon (1626-1675) m. Elizabeth Carey (see GG12 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00055631&tree=LEO
LL4) Henry Beaufort, 3rd Duke of Somerset (1436-1464) = Joan Hill, and had
LL5) Charles Somerset, 1st Earl of Worcester, illegit. (c.1460-1526) m. 1) Elizabeth Herbert (by1461-1507), and had
LL6) Henry Somerset, 2nd Earl of Worcester (c.1496-1549) m. Elizabeth Browne (see BBB6 in Part II), and had
LL7) William Somerset, 3rd Earl of Worcester (c.1527-1589) m. Christian North (b. 1533), and had
LL8) Edward Somerset, 4th Earl of Worcester (c.1550-1628) m. Lady Elizabeth Hastings (see JJ8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00041514&tree=LEO
MM4) Lady Eleanor Beaufort (c.1440-1501) m. 2) Sir Robert Spencer of Ashbury (c.1435-1510), and had 2 daus MM5 & PP5 (see below)
MM5) Margaret Spencer (c.1472-1540) m. Thomas Carey of Moulsford (c.1460-1500, descended from Edward I), and had
MM6) William Carey of Aldenham (c.1496-1528) m. Lady Mary Boleyn (c.1499-1543, descended from Edward I), and had
MM7) Henry Carey, 1st Baron Hunsdon (1526-1596) m. Anne Morgan (1530-1607), and had 2 sons MM8 & OO8, and a dau NN8 (see below)
MM8) Robert Carey, 1st Earl of Monmouth (1560-1639) m. Elizabeth Trevanion (d. 1641, descended from Edward I), and had
MM9) Hon. Thomas Carey of Brightwells (1597-1634) m. Margaret Smith (see GG11 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00055639&tree=LEO
NN8) Katherine Carey (c.1549-1603) m. Charles Howard, 1st Earl of Nottingham (1536-1624, descended from Edward I), and had
NN9) William, 3rd Baron Howard of Effingham (1577-1615) m. Anne St John (c.1576-1638), and had
NN10) Hon. Elizabeth Howard (1603-1671) m. John Mordaunt, 1st Earl of Peterborough (see KK10 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00008190&tree=LEO
OO8) Sir Edmund Carey of Culham (c.1558-1637) m. 1) Mary Coker (b. 1565), and had
OO9) Sir Ferdinando Carey of St Martin in the Fields (1591-1638) m. Philippa Throckmorton, and had
OO10) Mary Carey (d. 1695) m. 2) Sir Alexander Fraser, 1st Baronet of Durris (c.1607-1681), and had
OO11) Carey Fraser (c.1658-1709) m. Charles Mordaunt, 3rd Earl of Peterborough (see GG13 above)
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PP5) Katherine Spencer (1477-1542) m. Henry Algernon Percy, 5th Earl of Northumberland (see PPP6 in Part II), and had
PP6) Lady Margaret Percy (c.1495-1540) m. Henry Clifford, 1st Earl of
Cumberland (see MMMM8 in Part II), and had
PP7) Henry Clifford, 2nd Earl of Cumberland (c.1517-1570) m. 1) Lady Eleanor Brandon (1519-1547, descended from Henry VII), and had
PP8) Lady Margaret Clifford (1540-1596) m. Henry Stanley, 4th Earl of Derby (see VV8 in Part II), and had
PP9) William Stanley, 6th Earl of Derby (1561-1642) m. Lady Elizabeth de Vere (1575-1627, descended from Edward I), and had
PP10) James Stanley, 7th Earl of Derby (1606-1651) m. Charlotte de la Trémoille (1599-1664, descended from Edward I), and had
PP11) Lady Amelia Ann Sophia Stanley (1633-1703) m. John Murray, 1st Marquess of Atholl (see C9 above)
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Cheers, -----Brad
Brad Verity
Dec 3, 2013, 2:26:16 PM12/3/13
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On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:45:50 AM UTC-8, Brad Verity wrote:
> Rev. Charles Moore has more than double the lines of Descent from Edward III than his wife Mabel Byron. Since there are so many lines I've split them up into two posts. This first post will include all of Rev. Moore's descents from Edward III's grandson John Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset, and the final post will be all of the remaining Edward III descents.
Below are the remaining Edward III descents for Rev. Charles Moore.
> Rev. Charles Moore has more than double the lines of Descent from Edward III than his wife Mabel Byron. Since there are so many lines I've split them up into two posts. This first post will include all of Rev. Moore's descents from Edward III's grandson John Beaufort, 1st Earl of Somerset, and the final post will be all of the remaining Edward III descents.
Edward III had 4 sons A1, EEEE1, IIII1 & KKKK1 (see below)
A1) John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster (1340-1399) m. three times, and had 2 sons A2 (see Part I) & QQ2, and 2 daus RR2 & DDDD2 (see below)
QQ2) Cardinal Henry Beaufort, by 3rd wife (c.1375-1447) = unknown mistress, and had
QQ3) Jane Beaufort, illegit. (c.1403-1479) m. Sir Edward Stradling of St Donats (c.1389-1453), and had
QQ4) Sir Henry Stradling of St Donats (1423-1476) m. Elizabeth ap Tomas, and had
QQ5) Thomas Stradling of St Donats (c.1454-1480) m. Jenet Matthew (d. 1485), and had
QQ6) Henry Stradling of Sain Dunwyd (b. c.1475) m. Jane Jubb, and had
QQ7) Francis Stradling of Easton in Gordano (d. 1590) m. Elizabeth Michell (descended from Edward I), and had
QQ8) Edmund Stradling of Easton in Gordano (c.1565-1608) m. 1) Anne Strode (see HHHH9 below), and had
QQ9) Dorothy Stradling (d. by 1633) m. Nicholas Hele of Easton in Gordano (c.1582-1640), and had
QQ10) Mary Hele (b. 1617) m. 1) Thomas Hooke of Bristol (1608-1643), and had
QQ11) Mary Hooke m. Thomas Scrope of Wormsley Hall (see TTT10 below), and had
QQ12) Anne Scrope (d. 1721) m. Henry Fane of Bristol (see HH13 in Part I)
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RR2) Joan Beaufort, by 3rd wife (c.1377-1440) m. twice, and had 2 sons RR3 & SS3, and 5 daus KKK3, LLL3, OOO3, XXX3 & YYY3 (see below)
RR3) Edward Neville, 3rd Lord Abergavenny, by 2nd husband (c.1417-1476) m. 1) Elizabeth Beauchamp (see FFFF4 below), and had
RR4) George Neville, 4th Lord Abergavenny (1440-1492) m. 1) Margaret Fenne (c.1444-1485), and had
RR5) George Neville, 5th Lord Abergavenny (1469-1535) m. three times, and had 2 daus RR6 & HH7 (see Part I)
RR6) Jane Neville, by 1st wife (see SS6 below) (1494-by1538) m. Henry Pole, Lord Montagu (see AAA7 below), and had
RR7) Katherine Pole (c.1516-1576) m. Francis Hastings, 2nd Earl of Huntingdon (see JJ7 in Part I)
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SS3) Richard Neville, Earl of Salisbury, by 2nd husband (c.1398-1460) m. Alice Montagu (1406-1462, descended from Edward I), and had 4 daus SS4, UU4, DDD4 & FFF4, and 2 sons AAA4 & BBB4 (see below)
SS4) Joan Neville (c.1425-1462) m. William Fitzalan, 9th Earl of Arundel (1417-1487, descended from Edward I), and had
SS5) Thomas Fitzalan, 10th Earl of Arundel (1450-1524) m. Margaret Woodville (c.1454-1491), and had a dau SS6 & a son TT6 (see below)
SS6) Lady Joan Fitzalan (c.1474-1494) m. George Neville, 5th Lord Abergavenny (see RR5 above)
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TT6) William Fitzalan, 11th Earl of Arundel (c.1476-1544) m. 2) Lady Anne Percy (see RRR6 below), and had
TT7) Henry Fitzalan, 12th Earl of Arundel (1512-1580) m. 1) Lady Katherine Grey (see WW7 below), and had
TT8) Lady Mary Fitzalan (1539-1557) m. Thomas Howard, 4th Duke of Norfolk (see II9 in Part I)
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UU4) Katherine Neville (c.1442-1504) m. twice, and had a son UU5 & 2 daus WW5 & 5 (see below)
UU5) Edward, 2nd Lord Hastings, by 2nd husband (1466-1506) m. Mary Hungerford (see OOO5 below), and had a son UU6 & a dau VV6 (see below)
UU6) George Hastings, 1st Earl of Huntingdon (1487-1544) m. Lady Anne Stafford (see JJ6 in Part I)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00053944&tree=LEO
VV6) Anne Hastings (c.1485-1550) m. Thomas Stanley, 2nd Earl of Derby (see FFF6 below), and had
VV7) Edward Stanley, 3rd Earl of Derby (1509-1572) m. 1) Lady Dorothy Howard (c.1514-c.1547, descended from Edward I), and had
VV8) Henry Stanley, 4th Earl of Derby (1531-1593) m. Lady Margaret Clifford (see PP8 in Part I)
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WW5) Cecily Bonville, by 1st husband (1460-1529) m. 1) Thomas Grey, 1st Marquess of Dorset (c.1456-1501, descended from Edward I), and had
WW6) Thomas Grey, 2nd Marquess of Dorset (1477-1530) m. 2) Margaret Wotton (d. 1541), and had
WW7) Lady Katherine Grey (c.1509-1542) m. Henry Fitzalan, 12th Earl of Arundel (see TT7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026740&tree=LEO
XX5) Anne Hastings, by 2nd husband (c.1468-by1512) m. George Talbot, 4th Earl of Shrewsbury (see KKK5 below), and had a dau XX6 & a son ZZ6 (see below)
XX6) Lady Elizabeth Talbot (c.1507-c.1559) m. William, 3rd Lord Dacre of Gilsland (see VVV7 below), and had a son XX7 & a dau YY7 (see below)
XX7) Thomas, 4th Lord Dacre of Gilsland (c.1526-1566) m. 2) Elizabeth Leyburn (d. 1567), and had
XX8) Anne Dacre (1557-1630) m. Philip Howard, 13th Earl of Arundel (see II10 in Part I)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00007942&tree=LEO
YY7) Magdalen Dacre (1538-1608) m. Anthony Browne, 1st Viscount Montagu (see CCC7 below), and had
YY8) Hon. Elizabeth Browne (c.1557-1631) m. Robert, 1st Baron Dormer of Wing (1552-1616), and had
YY9) Sir William Dormer (1586-1616) m. Alice Molyneux (d. 1650, descended from Edward I), and had
YY10) Elizabeth Dormer (1614-1635) m. Edward Somerset, 2nd Marquess of Worcester (see JJ10 in Part I)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00053953&tree=LEO
ZZ6) Francis Talbot, 5th Earl of Shrewsbury (1500-1560) m. Mary Dacre (see WWW7 below), and had
ZZ7) George Talbot, 6th Earl of Shrewsbury (by1528-1590) m. 1) Lady Gertrude Manners (see MMM7 below), and had
ZZ8) Gilbert Talbot, 7th Earl of Shrewsbury (1552-1616) m. Mary Cavendish (1556-1632, descended from Edward I), and had
ZZ9) Lady Alethea Talbot (1585-1654) m. Thomas Howard, 14th Earl of Arundel & Surrey (see II11 in Part I)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00007944&tree=LEO
AAA4) Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick 'The Kingmaker' (1428-1471) m. Lady Anne Beauchamp (see GGGG4 below), and had
AAA5) Lady Isabel Neville (1451-1476) m. George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence (see LLL4 below), and had
AAA6) Margaret Plantagenet, Countess of Salisbury (1473-1541) m. Sir Richard Pole of Medmenham (1459-1504), and had
AAA7) Henry Pole, Lord Montagu (1492-1539) m. Jane Neville (see RR6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00053948&tree=LEO
BBB4) John Neville, Marquess Montagu (c.1431-1471) m. Isabel Ingaldesthorpe (1441-1476, descended from Edward I), and had
BBB5) Lady Lucy Neville (1468-1534) m. 2) Sir Anthony Browne of Calais (1443-1506, descended from Edward I), and had a dau BBB6 & a son CCC6 (see below)
BBB6) Elizabeth Browne (c.1502-1565) m. Henry Somerset, 2nd Earl of Worcester (see LL6 in PartI)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00057537&tree=LEO
CCC6) Sir Anthony Browne of Cowdray Park (c.1500-1548) m. 1) Alice Gage (d. 1540), and had
CCC7) Anthony Browne, 1st Viscount Montagu (1528-1592) m. 2) Magdalen Dacre (see YY7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00105080&tree=LEO
DDD4) Alice Neville (c.1434-aft.1503) m. Henry Fitzhugh, 6th Lord
Fitzhugh (1429-1472), and had
DDD5) Elizabeth Fitzhugh (1462-bef.1407) m. twice, and had a son DDD6 & a dau EEE6 (see below)
DDD6) William Parr, Baron Parr of Horton, by 1st husband (c.1480-1546) m. Mary Salisbury (1484-1555), and had
DDD7) Maud Parr (c.1507-1559) m. Sir Ralph Lane of Orlingbury (1509-1540), and had
DDD8) Dorothy Lane (d. 1582) m. William Feilding of Newnham Paddox (c.1540-1608), and had
DDD9) Basil Feilding of Newnham Paddox (by1568-1633) m. Elizabeth Aston, and had
DDD10) William Feilding, 1st Earl of Denbigh (c.1587-1643) m. Lady Susan Villiers (see CCCC10 below), and had
DDD11) Lady Mary Feilding (c.1613-1638) m. James, 1st Duke of Hamilton (see B9 in Part I)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029422&tree=LEO
EEE6) Katherine Vaux, by 2nd husband (b. c.1490) m. Sir George Throckmorton of Coughton (by1489-1552), and had
EEE7) Sir Robert Throckmorton of Coughton (by1513-1581) m. 1) Muriel Berkeley (c.1511-by1542, descended from Edward I), and had
EEE8) Anne Throckmorton (c.1540-1603) m. Ralph Sheldon of Beoley (c.1537-1613), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00204554&tree=LEO
EEE9) Muriel Sheldon (b. 1566) m. Sir Francis Clare of Caldwall Castle (d. 1608, descended from Edward I), and had
EEE10) Francis Clare of Caldwall Castle (1606-1680) m. Mary James (d. 1682), and had
EEE11) Francis Clare of Caldwall Castle (1666-1730) m. Sarah Deane, and had
EEE12) Susannah Clare (d. 1780) m. her 1st cousin Anthony Deane of Whittington (d. 1790), and had
EEE13) Anthony Deane of Bath (1729-1811) m. Anne Sophia Whitmore (d. 1809, descended from Henry IV), and had
EEE14) Rosamund Amelia Deane (1772-1820) m. Rev. Charles Holden of Aston Hall (see GGG16 below), and had
EEE15) Isabel Clara Holden (1810-1867) m. George Moore of Appleby Hall (see A15 in Part I)
FFF4) Eleanor Neville (c.1436-1471) m. Thomas Stanley, 1st Earl of Derby (c.1434-1504, descended from Edward I), and had 2 sons FFF5 & HHH5 (see below)
FFF5) George Stanley, Lord Strange (c.1458-1503) m. Joan, 5th Lady Strange of Knokyn (1463-1514), and had 2 sons FFF6 & GGG6 (see below)
FFF6) Thomas Stanley, 2nd Earl of Derby (c.1481-1521) m. Anne Hastings (see VV6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00049293&tree=LEO
GGG6) Sir James Stanley of Cross Hall (c.1495-aft.1545) m. Anne Hart (d. 1566), and had
GGG7) Sir George Stanley of Cross Hall (d. 1570) m. Isabel Duckinfield (d. 1582), and had
GGG8) Mary Stanley (d. 1586) m. Robert Hesketh of Rufford Hall (1560-1620), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00476645&tree=LEO
GGG9) Mary Hesketh m. 1) Richard Barton, Heir of Barton Hall (see HHH9 below), and had
GGG10) Fleetwood Barton (1595-1664) m. Richard Shuttleworth of Gawthorpe Hall (see NNNN11 below), and had
GGG11) Richard Shuttleworth, Heir of Gawthorpe Hall (1613-1648) m. Jane Kirke, and had
GGG12) Richard Shuttleworth of Gawthorpe Hall (1644-1680) m. Margaret Tempest (b. 1645, descended from Edward I), and had
GGG13) Sir Richard Shuttleworth of Gawthorpe Hall (1666-1687) m. Catherine Clerke (1667-1727), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00125444&tree=LEO
GGG14) Richard Shuttleworth of Gawthorpe Hall (1683-1749) m. Emma Tempest (d. 1725, descended from Edward I), and had
GGG15) James Shuttleworth of Gawthorpe Hall (1714-1773) m. Mary Holden (1718-1791, descended from Edward III)*, and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00125440&tree=LEO
GGG16) Rev. Charles Holden [formerly Shuttleworth] of Aston Hall (1749-1821) m. 3) Rosamund Amelia Deane (see EEE14 above)
*Mary Holden was the daughter of Hon. Elizabeth Tracy (1680-1747) and her second husband, Robert Holden of Aston Hall (1668-1746). All of the Edward III descents for Elizabeth Tracy (#E13 in previous post), can be found in this previous post:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/rw6rIfznJo8/tcYPwP_rT_4J
HHH5) Edward Stanley, 1st Baron Monteagle (c.1460-1523) m. 2) Elizabeth Vaughan (d. 1515), and had a dau HHH6 & a son III6 (see below)
HHH6) Elizabeth Stanley (d. 1533) m. Sir Thomas Langton of Newton (1497-1569, descended from Edward I), and had
HHH7) Joan Langton m. John Fleetwood of Penwortham Priory (c.1515-1590), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00476732&tree=LEO
HHH8) Anne Fleetwood m. Thomas Barton of Barton Hall (1556-1603, descended from Edward I), and had
HHH9) Richard Barton, Heir of Barton Hall (d. 1600) m. Mary Hesketh (see GGG9 above)
III6) Thomas Stanley, 2nd Baron Monteagle (1507-1560) m. 1) Lady Mary Brandon (b. 1510, descended from Edward I), and had
III7) Anne Stanley m. Sir John Clifton of Barrington Court (1538-1593, descended from Edward I), and had
III8) Gervase, 1st Baron Clifton of Leighton Bromswold (c.1570-1618) m. Katherine Darcy (see ZZZ10 below), and had
III9) Katherine Clifton (c.1592-1637) m. 1) Esmé Stuart, 3rd Duke of Lennox (see I8 in Part I)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002024&tree=LEO
JJJ3) Anne Neville, by 2nd husband (c.1408-1480) m. 1) Humphrey Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham (see IIII3 below), and had a son JJJ4 & a dau KKK4 (see below)
JJJ4) Humphrey Stafford, Earl of Stafford (c.1425-1458) m. Lady Margaret Beaufort (see HH4 in Part I)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026561&tree=LEO
KKK4) Lady Katherine Stafford (c.1448-1476) m. John Talbot, 3rd Earl of Shrewsbury (1448-1473, descended from Edward I), and had
KKK5) George Talbot, 4th Earl of Shrewsbury (1468-1538) m. twice, and had a dau XX6 & a son ZZ6 (see above) by 1st wife, and had
KKK6) Lady Anne Talbot, by 2nd wife (1524-1588) m. 1) Peter Compton of Compton Wynyates (1523-1544), and had
KKK7) Henry, 1st Baron Compton of Compton (1544-1589) m. 1) Lady Frances Hastings (see KK8 in Part I)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00148049&tree=LEO
LLL3) Cecily Neville, by 2nd husband (1415-1495) m. Richard, 3rd Duke of York (see EEEE3 below), and had a son LLL4 & a dau MMM4 (see below)
LLL4) George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence (1449-1478) m. Lady Isabel Neville (see AAA5 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00001714&tree=LEO
MMM4) Anne of York (1439-1476) m. 2) Sir Thomas St Leger of Guildford (by1438-1483), and had
MMM5) Anne St Leger (1475-1526) m. George Manners, 11th Lord Ros (1470-1513, descended from Edward I), and had
MMM6) Thomas Manners, 1st Earl of Rutland (c.1497-1543) m. 2) Eleanor Paston (d. 1551, descended from Edward I), and had 2 daus MMM7 & NNN7 (see below)
MMM7) Lady Gertrude Manners (c.1530-1567) m. George Talbot, 6th Earl of Shrewsbury (see ZZ7 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00007955&tree=LEO
NNN7) Lady Frances Manners (d. 1576) m. Henry Neville, 6th Lord Abergavenny (see HH8 in Part I)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00052487&tree=LEO
OOO3) Eleanor Neville, by 2nd husband (1403-1472) m. 2) Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland (see LLLL4 below), and had 2 daus OOO4 & UUU4, and a son PPP4 (see below)
OOO4) Anne Percy (1443-1522) m. 1) Sir Thomas Hungerford of Rowden (c.1442-1469), and had
OOO5) Mary, Lady Hungerford (1468-1533) m. 1) Edward, 2nd Lord Hastings (see UU5 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00107579&tree=LEO
PPP4) Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland (1421-1461) m. Eleanor Poynings (1428-1484, descended from Edward I), and had a son PPP5, & 2 daus SSS5 & SSS5 (see below)
PPP5) Henry Percy, 4th Earl of Northumberland (c.1449-1489) m. Maud Herbert (c.1457-by1487), and had a son PPP6 & 2 daus QQQ6 & RRR6 (see below)
PPP6) Henry Algernon Percy, 5th Earl of Northumberland (1478-1527) m. Katherine Spencer (see PP5 in Part I)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002031&tree=LEO
QQQ6) Lady Eleanor Percy (c.1476-1531) m. Edward Stafford, 3rd Duke of Buckingham (see HH6 in Part I)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026566&tree=LEO
RRR6) Lady Anne Percy (c.1480-1552) m. William Fitzalan, 11th Earl of Arundel (see TT6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026738&tree=LEO
SSS5) Margaret Percy (b. c.1447) m. Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe Hall (see XXX6 below), and had
SSS6) Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph, 3rd Baron Ogle (1468-1513, descended from Edward I), and had
SSS7) Dorothy Ogle m. 1) Sir Thomas Forster of Adderstone (d. 1527), and had
SSS8) Sir John Forster of Bamburgh Castle (d. 1602) = ---- Mawclaine, and had
SSS9) Dorothy Mauntlaine, illegit. (d. 1625) m. 1) Thomas Widdrington of Ashington (d. 1590, descended from Edward I), and had
SSS10) Lewis Widdrington of Cheeseburn Grange Hall (d. 1630) m.
Katherine Lawson (b. c.1580), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00447982&tree=LEO
SSS11) Hannah Widdrington m. John Rushworth of Dorset Court (c.1612-1690), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00608483&tree=LEO
SSS12) Hannah Rushworth (1646-1706) m. Sir Francis Fane of Fulbeck Hall (see HH12 in Part I)
TTT5) Elizabeth Percy (b. c.1460) m. Henry, 6th Lord Scrope of Bolton (c.1460-1506, descended from Edward I), and had
TTT6) John Scrope of Spennithorne (c.1496-1547) m. Phyllis Rokeby (d. 1576), and had
TTT7) Adrian Scrope of Hambleden (c.1535-1578) m. Ursula Ludlow (d. 1613, descended from Edward I), and had
TTT8) Robert Scrope of Wormsley Hall (b. 1569) m. Margaret Cornwall, and had
TTT9) Col. Adrian Scrope of Wormsley Hall (1601-1660) m. Mary Waller (descended from Edward I), and had
TTT10) Thomas Scrope of Wormsley Hall (1634-1704) m. Mary Hooke (see QQ11 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00008402&tree=LEO
UUU4) Katherine Percy (1423-1493) m. Edmund Grey, 1st Earl of Kent (see DDDD4 below), and had 2 daus UUU5 & VVV5 (see below)
UUU5) Lady Anne Grey (b. c.1448) m. John, 8th Lord Grey of Wilton (see GG5 in Part I)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00059135&tree=LEO
VVV5) Lady Elizabeth Grey (c.1451-1471) m. Sir Robert Greystoke, Heir of Greystoke (see YYY5 below), and had
VVV6) Elizabeth, 6th Lady Greystoke (1471-1516) m. Thomas, 2nd Lord Dacre of Gilsland (1467-1525, descended from Edward I), and had a son VVV7 & a dau WWW7 (see below)
VVV7) William, 3rd Lord Dacre of Gilsland (1500-1563) m. Lady Elizabeth Talbot (see XX6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00105110&tree=LEO
WWW7) Mary Dacre (d. 1538) m. Francis Talbot, 5th Earl of Shrewsbury (see ZZ6 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00105102&tree=LEO
XXX3) Mary Ferrers, by 1st husband (1394-1458) m. Sir Ralph Neville of Oversley (c. 1395-1458, descended from Edward I), and had
XXX4) John Neville of Oversley (c.1415-1482) m. Elizabeth Newmarch, and had
XXX5) Joan Neville m. 1) Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe Hall (c.1428-1463), and had
XXX6) Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe Hall (c.1450-1487) m. Margaret Percy (see SSS5 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00109415&tree=LEO
YYY3) Elizabeth Ferrers, by 1st husband (1393-1434) m. John, 4th Lord Greystoke (c. 1390-1436), and had a son YYY4 & a dau ZZZ4 (see below)
YYY4) Ralph, 5th Lord Greystoke (1414-1487) m. 1) Elizabeth Fitzhugh (c.1420-1469), and had
YYY5) Sir Robert Greystoke, Heir of Greystoke (c.1440-1483) m. 1) Elizabeth Grey (see VVV5 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00198309&tree=LEO
ZZZ4) Joan Greystoke (c.1409-by1487) m. 1) John Darcy of Temple Hurst (1404-1458, descended from Edward I), and had a son ZZZ5 & a dau CCCC5 (see below)
ZZZ5) Richard Darcy, Heir of Temple Hurst (1424-bef.1458) m. Eleanor le Scrope (d. 1471), and had
ZZZ6) Sir William Darcy of Temple Hurst (1443-1488) m. Euphemia Langton (d. 1494), and had
ZZZ7) Thomas, 1st Baron Darcy of Temple Hurst (1467-1537) m. Dowsabel Tempest, and had
ZZZ8) Sir Arthur Darcy of Brimham (d. 1561) m. Mary Carew (see JJJJ7 below), and had 2 sons ZZZ9 & AAAA9 & a dau BBBB9 (see below)
ZZZ9) Sir Henry Darcy of Brimham (by1539-by1593) m. 2) Katherine Fermor (descended from Edward I), and had
ZZZ10) Katherine Darcy (b. c.1572) m. Gervase, 1st Baron Clifton of Leighton Bromswold (see III8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00007703&tree=LEO
AAAA9) Sir Edward Darcy of Dartford Place (1543-1612) m. Elizabeth Astley (b. c.1561, descended from Edward I), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00284793&tree=LEO
AAAA10) Katherine Darcy (d. 1646) m. William West of Firbeck Hall (1571-1651), and had
AAAA11) Elizabeth West (1606-1669) m. 2) Sir Francis Fane of Fulbeck Hall (see HH11 in Part I)
BBBB9) Elizabeth Darcy (d. 1590) m. Lewis, 3rd Baron Mordaunt of Turvey (1538-1601), and had
BBBB10) Henry, 4th Baron Mordaunt of Turvey (c.1568-1609) m. Hon. Margaret Compton (see KK9 in Part I)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00055737&tree=LEO
CCCC5) Joan Darcy (b. c.1435) m. John Beaumont of Coleorton Hall
(1428-1461), and had
CCCC6) George Beaumont of Quarter Marsh (c.1453-1530) m. Joan
Pauncefoot, and had
CCCC7) William Beaumont of Coleorton Hall (d. 1529) m. Mary Basset (d. 1539), and had
CCCC8) Anthony Beaumont of Glenfield m. Anne Armstrong, and had
CCCC9) Mary Beaumont, Countess of Buckingham (1569-1632) m. 1) Sir George Villiers of Brokesby (c.1544-1606), and had
CCCC10) Lady Susan Villiers (c.1588-1655) m. William Feilding, 1st Earl of Denbigh (see DDD10 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00052279&tree=LEO
DDDD2) Elizabeth of Lancaster, by 1st wife (1364-1425) m. 2) John
Holland, 1st Duke of Exeter (c.1358-1400, descended from Edward I),
and had
DDDD3) Lady Constance Holland (1386-1437) m. 2) Sir John Grey of
Badmondisfield Hall (c.1385-1439, descended from Edward I), and had
DDDD4) Edmund Grey, 1st Earl of Kent (1416-1490) m. Katherine Percy (see UUU4 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00059129&tree=LEO
EEEE1) Edmund of Langley, 1st Duke of York (1341-1402) m. 1) Isabel of Castile (1355-1392), and had a son EEEE2 & a dau FFFF2 (see below)
EEEE2) Richard of York, 3rd Earl of Cambridge (1385-1415) m. 1) Anne Mortimer (see KKKK4 below), and had
EEEE3) Richard, 3rd Duke of York (1411-1460) m. Cecily Neville (see LLL3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00001703&tree=LEO
FFFF2) Constance of York (c.1375-1416), had two daus FFFF3 & HHHH3 (see below)
FFFF3) Isabel Despenser, by husband (1400-1439) m. twice, and had 2 daus FFFF4 & GGGG4 (see below)
FFFF4) Elizabeth Beauchamp, by 1st husband (1415-1448) m. Edward Neville, 3rd Lord
Abergavenny (see RR3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00037943&tree=LEO
GGGG4) Lady Anne Beauchamp, by 2nd husband (1426-1492) m. Richard Neville, Earl of Warwick (see AAA4 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00023299&tree=LEO
HHHH3) Eleanor Holland, illegit. (b. c.1406) m. James Tuchet, 5th Lord Audley (c.1398-1459), and had
HHHH4) Sir Humphrey Audley of Middleton (c.1435-1471) m. Elizabeth Courtenay c.1435-1493, descended from Edward I), and had
HHHH5) Philippa Audley (d. aft.1527) m. Richard Hadley of Withycombe (d. 1524), and had
HHHH6) James Hadley of Withycombe (1494-1537) m. 1) Fridiswide Mathew, and had
HHHH7) Christopher Hadley of Withycombe (c.1518-1540) m. Anne Hill, and had
HHHH8) Margaret Hadley (c.1539-1607) m. 2) John Strode of Parnham House (1524-1581), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00346375&tree=LEO
HHHH9) Anne Strode (c.1573-by1595) m. Edmund Stradling of Easton in Gordano (see QQ8 above)
IIII1) Thomas of Woodstock, Duke of Gloucester (1355-1397) m. Eleanor de Bohun (1366-1399, descended from Edward I), and had
IIII2) Anne of Gloucester (1383-1438) m. three times, and had 2 sons IIII3 & JJJJ3 (see below)
IIII3) Humphrey Stafford, 1st Duke of Buckingham, by 2nd husband (1402-1460) m. Anne Neville (see JJJ3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00026559&tree=LEO
JJJJ3) John Bourchier, 1st Lord Berners, by 3rd husband (c.1411-1474) m. Margery Berners (1409-1475), and had
JJJJ4) Sir Humphrey Bourchier (1443-1471) m. Elizabeth Tilney (1446-1497), and had
JJJJ5) Margaret Bourchier (1468-1552) m. 1) Sir Thomas Bryan of Ashridge (d. 1517), and had
JJJJ6) Elizabeth Bryan (d. 1546) m. Sir Nicholas Carew of Beddington (by1496-1539, descended from Edward I), and had
JJJJ7) Mary Carew (b. c.1520) m. Sir Arthur Darcy of Brimham (see ZZZ8 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00113961&tree=LEO
KKKK1) Lionel of Antwerp, Duke of Clarence (1338-1368) m. 1) Elizabeth de Burgh (1332-1363, descended from Edward I), and had
KKKK2) Philippa of Clarence (1355-1377) m. Edmund Mortmer, 3rd Earl of March (1352-1381), and had a son KKKK3 & a dau LLLL3 (see below)
KKKK3) Roger Mortimer, 4th Earl of March (1374-1398) m. Alianore Holland (1370-1405, descended from Edward I), and had
KKKK4) Anne Mortimer (1388-1411) m. Richard of York, 3rd Earl of Cambridge (see EEEE2 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00001700&tree=LEO
LLLL3) Elizabeth Mortimer (1371-1417) m. 1) Sir Henry 'Hotspur' Percy (1364-1403), and had a son LLLL4, & a dau MMMM4 (see below)
LLLL4) Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland (1394-1455) m. Eleanor Neville (see OOO3 above)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00015423&tree=LEO
MMMM4) Elizabeth Percy (c.1395-1437) m. 1) John, 7th Lord Clifford (1388-1422, descended from Edward I), and had
MMMM5) Thomas, 8th Lord Clifford (1414-1455) m. Joan Dacre (c.1417-c.1452, descended from Edward I), and had a son MMMM6 & a dau NNNN6 (see below)
MMMM6) John, 9th Lord Clifford (1435-1461) m. Margaret Bromflete (c.1436-1493), and had
MMMM7) Henry, 10th Lord Clifford (1454-1523) m. 1) Anne St John, and had
MMMM8) Henry Clifford, 1st Earl of Cumberland (1493-1542) m. 2) Lady
Margaret Percy (see PP6 in Part I)
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002033&tree=LEO
NNNN6) Maud Clifford (b. c.1436) m. 1) Sir John Harrington of Hornby (c.1425-1460), and had
NNNN7) Elizabeth Harrington (1456-1515) m. 1) Sir John Stanley of Melling (descended from Edward I), and had
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00326618&tree=LEO
NNNN8) Margaret Stanley m. Thomas Grimshaw of Clayton Hall (d. 1539), and had
NNNN9) Anne Grimshaw (d. 1597) m. Hugh Shuttleworth of Gawthorpe Hall (c.1506-1596), and had
NNNN10) Thomas Shuttleworth, Heir of Gawthorpe Hall (c.1546-1593) m. Anne Lever (c.1568-1637, descended from Edward I), and had
NNNN11) Richard Shuttleworth of Gawthorpe Hall (1587-1669) m. 1) Fleetwood Barton (see GGG10 above)
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Sue
James R. Yeowell
Mar 22, 2014, 5:20:48 AM3/22/14
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Sue,
I have Sayer, of Worsall, Yorkshire in my database also. I do not know the line through to William Westropp however.
I have not researched the family thoroughly and I may have the details incorrect but John Sayer, of Worsall, who married Frances Conyers, daughter of Sir George Conyers, of Sockburn, was the son of John Sayer, of Worsall and Dorothy Bulmer and he was the son of William Sayer, of Worsall and Margaret Fairfax.
It is via Margaret Fairfax that there is an Edward III. descent (and thus back to Edward I):
1. Edward III.
2. Sir John, Duke of Lancaster, Earl of Richmond, K.G. (1340-1399) = Katherine de Roet (-1403)
3. Lady Joane de Beaufort (1379-1441) = Sir Ralph de Nevill, Earl of Westmorland, K.G. (1364-1425/26)
4. Lady Eleanor Nevill (1403-1472) = Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland (1393-1455)
5. Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland (1421-1461) = Eleanor de Poynings, 5th Baronss Poynings (about 1422-1484)
6. Lady Margaret Percy (about 1447-?) = Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe Hall, Yorkshire (about 1450-1487)
7. Anne Gascoigne (about 1474-1504) = Sir Thomas Fairfax, of Walton and Gilling Castle, Yorkshire (about 1475-1520)
8. Margaret Fairfax (-1565) = William Sayer, of Worsall (about 1503-1531)
9. John Sayer, of Worsall (about 1521-1584) - Dorothy Bulmer (-1574)
10. John Sayer, of Worsall, Yorkshire (1545-1635) = Frances Conyers (-1585)
I am sure someone shall correct me if I am in error.
Via Dorothy Bulmer there appears to be another Edward III. descent as well (via the Conyers).
Best regards,
James R. Yeowell
I have Sayer, of Worsall, Yorkshire in my database also. I do not know the line through to William Westropp however.
I have not researched the family thoroughly and I may have the details incorrect but John Sayer, of Worsall, who married Frances Conyers, daughter of Sir George Conyers, of Sockburn, was the son of John Sayer, of Worsall and Dorothy Bulmer and he was the son of William Sayer, of Worsall and Margaret Fairfax.
It is via Margaret Fairfax that there is an Edward III. descent (and thus back to Edward I):
1. Edward III.
2. Sir John, Duke of Lancaster, Earl of Richmond, K.G. (1340-1399) = Katherine de Roet (-1403)
3. Lady Joane de Beaufort (1379-1441) = Sir Ralph de Nevill, Earl of Westmorland, K.G. (1364-1425/26)
4. Lady Eleanor Nevill (1403-1472) = Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland (1393-1455)
5. Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland (1421-1461) = Eleanor de Poynings, 5th Baronss Poynings (about 1422-1484)
6. Lady Margaret Percy (about 1447-?) = Sir William Gascoigne of Gawthorpe Hall, Yorkshire (about 1450-1487)
7. Anne Gascoigne (about 1474-1504) = Sir Thomas Fairfax, of Walton and Gilling Castle, Yorkshire (about 1475-1520)
8. Margaret Fairfax (-1565) = William Sayer, of Worsall (about 1503-1531)
9. John Sayer, of Worsall (about 1521-1584) - Dorothy Bulmer (-1574)
10. John Sayer, of Worsall, Yorkshire (1545-1635) = Frances Conyers (-1585)
I am sure someone shall correct me if I am in error.
Via Dorothy Bulmer there appears to be another Edward III. descent as well (via the Conyers).
Best regards,
James R. Yeowell
James R. Yeowell
Mar 22, 2014, 5:23:35 AM3/22/14
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Although I am surely in error as Brad Verity would have mentioned both Edward III. descents.
So corrections are most welcome.
So corrections are most welcome.
Sue
Mar 24, 2014, 3:11:38 AM3/24/14
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On Saturday, 22 March 2014 19:23:35 UTC+10, James R. Yeowell wrote:
> Although I am surely in error as Brad Verity would have mentioned both Edward III. descents.
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> So corrections are most welcome.
Thanks for that information James. My William Westropp was born abt 1524. I do have Hugh Westropp born 1499 who married, abt 1522, Jane Sayer dau of John Sayer of Worsall on Tees. Perhaps she is a sister to the William Sayer you mention who married Margaret Fairfax??
> Although I am surely in error as Brad Verity would have mentioned both Edward III. descents.
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> So corrections are most welcome.
Regards
Sue
Sue
Mar 24, 2014, 3:19:26 AM3/24/14
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Sue
Mar 24, 2014, 3:26:13 AM3/24/14
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On Monday, 24 March 2014 17:19:26 UTC+10, Sue wrote:
> On Monday, 24 March 2014 17:11:38 UTC+10, Sue wrote:
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> > On Saturday, 22 March 2014 19:23:35 UTC+10, James R. Yeowell wrote:
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> > > Although I am surely in error as Brad Verity would have mentioned both Edward III. descents.
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> > Sorry James, I am getting things confused, William was born 1572, not 1524 as I previously mentioned, his father James was born 1524, though the dates seem out a bit, though there were at least 6 children so he could have been the last born.
> On Monday, 24 March 2014 17:11:38 UTC+10, Sue wrote:
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> > On Saturday, 22 March 2014 19:23:35 UTC+10, James R. Yeowell wrote:
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> > > Although I am surely in error as Brad Verity would have mentioned both Edward III. descents.
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Regards again
Sue
James R. Yeowell
Mar 24, 2014, 9:30:34 AM3/24/14
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Sue,
Apologies. There were two John Sayer's who married Conyers. The one I highlighted was a later one. Now I have determined where William Westropp fits, I have realised my mistake.
The one you are interested in is the John Sayer, of Worsall, Yorkshire who married Margery Conyers, daughter of William Conyers, of Thormanby and Elizabeth Wadisley. They were parents of William Sayer who married Margaret Fairfax as well as of Jane Sayer who married Hugh Westropp, of Cornborough. So yes, they were siblings as you inferred above.
The John Sayer who married Frances Conyers, daughter of Sir George Conyers, of Sockburn was the great grandson of the above John Sayer.
Brad Verity highlighted the Edward I. descent for William Westropp, of Cornborough in a recent post on SGM. He also made another recent post regarding the Smyth family which mentions the Sayer's.
Apologies about the confusion.
Apologies. There were two John Sayer's who married Conyers. The one I highlighted was a later one. Now I have determined where William Westropp fits, I have realised my mistake.
The one you are interested in is the John Sayer, of Worsall, Yorkshire who married Margery Conyers, daughter of William Conyers, of Thormanby and Elizabeth Wadisley. They were parents of William Sayer who married Margaret Fairfax as well as of Jane Sayer who married Hugh Westropp, of Cornborough. So yes, they were siblings as you inferred above.
The John Sayer who married Frances Conyers, daughter of Sir George Conyers, of Sockburn was the great grandson of the above John Sayer.
Brad Verity highlighted the Edward I. descent for William Westropp, of Cornborough in a recent post on SGM. He also made another recent post regarding the Smyth family which mentions the Sayer's.
Apologies about the confusion.
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