CP Addition: Isabel le Despenser's 1st marriage to Gilbert de Clare
Douglas Richardson
Complete Peerage 3 (1913): 246, footnote b, shows that Gilbert de
Clare, eldest son and heir of Thomas de Clare, Knt., lord of Thomond
in Ireland, by Juliane Fitz Maurice, was born at Limerick and baptized
there 3 Feb. 1280/1. He had livery of his father's lands 14 Apr. 1300
and proved his age 22 Sep. 1302. He died without issue shortly before
16 Nov. 1307, when the writ of diem cl. ext. is dated. He was
survived by a wife, Isabel, who was living 20 Apr. 1322.
Hitherto the identity of Isabel, wife of Gilbert de Clare, has gone
unnoticed. However, it appears she was none other than Isabel le
Despenser, daughter of Hugh le Despenser, Knt., Earl of Winchester,
who appears in the later records as the wife successively of John de
Hastings, 1st Lord Hastings, and Ralph de Monthermer, Knt., lst Lord
Monthermer.
The evidence which proves Isabel's identity is found in the book,
Registrum Simonis de Gandavo Diocesis Saresbiriensis, A.D. 1297-1315
(Canterbury and York Society, vol. 41) (1934), pp. 778-779. The
specific entry in the bishop's register reads as follows:
"Tarrent Rushton [Dorset]. Tercio Id. Apr. [11 Apr. 1312] anno et
loco supradictis presentabuter domino Willelmus de Aston', clericus,
ad ecclesiam supradictum, vacantem, per dominum Iohannem de
Hastyngges, militem, dominum de Bergeveny, et Isabellam, uxorem eius,
relictam domini Gilberti de Clare, defuncti, et ad eorundem
presentacionem racione dotis predicte Isabelle de tenementis ipsius
domini Gilberti contingentis spectantem, ut dicent."
The above text basically states that on 11 April 1312, William de
Aston, clerk, was presented to the church of Tarrent Rushton, Dorset
by John de Hastings, Knt., lord of Bergavenny, and Isabel his wife,
relict [widow] of lord Gilbert de Clare, deceased, which presentation
was made by reason of the dower of the said Isabel.
The manor of Tarrent Rushton, Dorset was held previously by Gilbert de
Clare's father, Thomas de Clare, Knt., then by his brother and heir,
Richard de Clare, Knt., and then upon Richard's death in 1318, the
manor fell to Richard's two sisters and co-heirs, Margaret, wife of
Bartholomew de Badlesmere, Knt. [1st Lord Badlesmere], and Maud, wife
of Robert de Clifford [1st Lord Clifford] and Robert de Welles.
The details of Isabel le Despenser's first marriage will be provided
in the forthcoming book, Plantagenet Ancestry, soon to be released.
The Plantagenet Ancestry book is still available for a limited time at
the special prepublication price of $60.00 for domestic orders and
$65.00 for foreign orders.
The following colonial immigrants descend from Isabel le Despenser, by
way of her 2nd marriage to John de Hastings, Knt.:
1. Elizabeth Alsop.
2. William Asfordby.
3. Anne Baynton.
4. George & Nehemiah Blakiston.
5. Mary Bourchier,
6. James & Norton Claypoole.
7. Francis Dade.
8. William Farrar.
9. Mary Gye.
10. Elizabeth & John Harleston.
11. Richard Palgrave.
12. William Skepper.
13. Diana & Grey Skipwith.
14. Thomas Wingfield.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
Robert Todd
Richardson) wrote:
Dear Doug,
Congradulations on bringing to light this previously overlooked
information!
During this period of English history, the political turmoil between
the crown and the barons literally changed the constitutional history
of both England and Scotland, and has attracted intense study.
Historians, biographers and genealogists have searched out every known
record and documented all uncovered minutiae concerning the era and
the main players.
To find such information that has escaped such intense scrutiny makes
one wonder what other information lies undiscovered. (My interest, of
course, lies with the discussions now before this forum about the
birth date of Joan Gaveston).
Once again, thank you for sharing this information with the newsgroup.
Regards, Robert
>Dear Newsgroup ~
>
>Complete Peerage 3 (1913): 246, footnote b, shows that Gilbert de
>Clare, eldest son and heir of Thomas de Clare, Knt., lord of Thomond
>in Ireland, by Juliane Fitz Maurice, was born at Limerick and baptized
>there 3 Feb. 1280/1. He had livery of his father's lands 14 Apr. 1300
>and proved his age 22 Sep. 1302. He died without issue shortly before
>16 Nov. 1307, when the writ of diem cl. ext. is dated. He was
>survived by a wife, Isabel, who was living 20 Apr. 1322.
>
>Hitherto the identity of Isabel, wife of Gilbert de Clare, has gone
>unnoticed. However, it appears she was none other than Isabel le
>Despenser, daughter of Hugh le Despenser, Knt., Earl of Winchester,
>who appears in the later records as the wife successively of John de
>Hastings, 1st Lord Hastings, and Ralph de Monthermer, Knt., lst Lord
>Monthermer.
>
John Ravilious
Dear Douglas,
An excellent find, indeed. Always interesting to find out
something previously 'unknown' about one of the Despenser family.
The presentation of William de Aston (11 April 1312) was followed
later that year by the death of Sir John de Hastings (9 Mar 1312/3,
according to CP). The only intervening event between the two, at
least as recorded in my notes, was Sir John's last summons to
Parliament, 8 July 1312.
This does not appear to modify earlier estimates given for the
birth dates of the children of Sir John de Hastings and Isabel le
Despenser: Thomas (ca. 1308) and Hugh (ca. 1310). Hugh de Hastings
was one of the noted leaders of Edward III's campaign leading up to
the battle of Crecy (1346) and the siege of Calais, where Hugh died
evidently of disease in the English camp (1347). He is also known as
the ancestor of the Hastings family of Elsing, Norfolk and thereby
probably some tens of thousands, if not millions, of modern
descendants (including many SGM members).
Many thanks!
Good luck, and good continued hunting.
John
royala...@msn.com (Douglas Richardson) wrote in message news:<5cf47a19.02081...@posting.google.com>...
Douglas Richardson
In my post last night, I overlooked the fact that Gilbert de Clare's
brother, Richard de Clare, Knt., was succeeded at his death in 1318 by
his son and heir, Thomas de Clare, a minor, and, upon Thomas's death
in 1321, he was in turn succeeded by his aunts, Margaret, wife of
Bartholomew de Badlesmere, and Maud, wife successively of Robert de
Clifford and Robert de Welles. In my post, I inadvertedly left
Richard de Clare's son, Thomas, out of the chain of events.
John Ravilious previously charted all of these relationships in an old
post entitled "Clare Confusion," which chart I found while searching
the newsgroup archives. I've posted his chart below for clarity,
along with John's source citations. I've added the identification of
Gilbert de Clare's wife, Isabel le Despenser, which information was
not contained in John's original chart.
Thomas de Clare = Juliane FitzMaurice
/
____________________________/________________________
/ / / / /
Thomas Gilbert Richard Margaret Maud
(2) (3) (4) = Bartholomew = Robert
= Isabel / de Badlesmere de Clifford
le Despenser /
Thomas (5)
[1] CP Vol V (Gloucester), p. 701n
[2] From Tim's note in the thread, 25 November 2001
[3] CP Vol III (Clare), p. 246n
[4] CP Vol III (Clare), pp. 246-247
[5] CP Vol III (Clare), p. 247
[6] CP Vol III (Clare), p. 247n
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
royala...@msn.com (Douglas Richardson) wrote in message news:<5cf47a19.02081...@posting.google.com>...
Douglas Richardson
Thank you for your kind words.
As you've surmised, there's still much to be learned about all of
these people, including Joan de Gavaston. I'm convinced more than
ever that collegiality is the key to finding the answers we seek.
Collegiality means being a friend, sharing information freely, and
supporting one another's research. You've set a good example of this,
Robert, by giving us clearly stated, well sourced posts on Joan de
Gavaston. Keep up the good work!
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
E-mail: royala...@msn.com
tar...@idirect.com (Robert Todd) wrote in message news:<3d567705...@nntp.shprd.phub.net.cable.rogers.com>...
> On 10 Aug 2002 20:23:35 -0700, royala...@msn.com (Douglas
> Richardson) wrote:
>
> Dear Doug,
>
> Congratulations on bringing to light this previously overlooked