Lygon to Henry I
mi...@juno.com
I was wondering if this Line of Descent from Henry I, King of England
to Henry Lygon, is still a valid line of Descent?
Most comes from Ancestral Roots [AR.84:34-37, 55:28-37, 126:28-30,
125:26-28], and Magna Charta Sureties, 1215.
Also Richard de Beauchamp, K.B., 2nd Lord Beauchamp of Powyck [husband
of no#: 15 below], his Mother was Margaret Ferrers, Sister of Richard
Ferrers. Is Margaret related to Henry Ferrers, 2nd Baron Ferrers of Groby
and thus through his wife, Isabel de Verdun to Good King Longshanks
himself? If anyone knows Margaret Ferrers Ancestry, can you Please Post
it??
Any & All corrections and additions, most welcome!
Have a Fine Day :-)
Sincerly Yours, Kevin
From Henry I "Beauclerc," King Of England to Henry Lygon, of Upton
St.Leonard
1. Henry I Beauclerc King Of England
b: Abt. Sep 1068 d Aug 06, 1135
*Partner of Henry I Beauclerc King Of England:
+NN
2. Robert De Caen, 1st Earl of Gloucester
b: Abt. 1090 d: Oct 31, 1147
+Mabel Fitz-Hamon, Heiress of Gloucester & Glamorgan
m: 1107 d: 1157
3. Maud Fitz-Robert b: 1120 d: Jul 29, 1189
+Ranulf De Gernons, 2nd Earl of Chester, Vicomte d'Avranches
m: Abt. 1141 b: Bef. 1100 d: Dec 16, 1153
4. Hugh Kevelioc Le Meschin, 3rd Earl of Chester, Vicomte d'Avranches
b: 1147 d: Jun 30, 1181
+Bertrade De Montfort m: 1169 b: Abt. 1155 d: 1227
5. Mabel Le Meschin b: Abt. 1172
+William D'Aubigny, Earl of Arundel d: Feb 01, 1220/21
6. Nichole D'Aubigny b: Abt. 1193 d: Bef. 1254
+Roger De Somery, Lord Dudley b: Abt. 1183 d: Aug 26, 1273
7. Margaret De Somery b: Abt. 1239 d: Aft. Jun 18, 1293
+Ralph Basset, Lord Basset of Drayton, co. Stafford d: Aug 04,
1265
8. Ralph Basset, Lord Basset of Drayton d: Dec 31, 1299
+Hawise NN
9. Margaret Basset d: Mar 17, 1336/37
+Edmund De Stafford, 1st Baron Stafford
m: Abt. 1298 b: Jul 15, 1273 d: Abt. Apr 12, 1308
10. Ralph De Stafford, K.G, 1st Earl of Stafford
b: Sep 24, 1301 d: Aug 31, 1372
+Katharine De Hastang m: Abt. 1327
11. Margaret De Stafford
+John Stafford, Knt., of Bramshall, co. Stafford
12. Ralph Stafford, Of Grafton, Bromsgrove Parish, co. Worcester
d: Mar 01, 1409/10
+Maud De Hastang
m: Bet. Aug 24, 1373 - Feb 24, 1374/75 bapt: Feb 02, 1358/59
13. Humphrey Stafford, Knt., Of Grafton, co. Worcester
b: Abt. 1384 d: Feb 20, 1418/19
+Elizabeth Burdet
14. Humphrey Stafford, Knt., Of Grafton, co. Worcester
b: 1400 d: Aft. 1467
+Eleanor Aylesbury
15. Elizabeth Stafford
+Richard De Beauchamp, K.B., 2nd Baron Beauchamp of Powyck
m: Jan 27, 1446/47 b: 1435 d: Jan 19, 1502/03
16. Anne De Beauchamp b: 1462 d: Jul 22, 1534
+Richard Lygon, Knt., Of Arle Court, co. Gloucester
m: Abt. 1490 b: Bef. 1470 d: May 01, 1512
17. Richard Lygon, Knt., Of Arle Court
b: Abt. 1490 d: 1557
+Margaret Greville m: Bef. 1511 b: Bef. 1490 d: 1542
18. Henry Lygon, Of Upton St. Leonard, co. Gloucester
b: Abt. 1525 d: Jul 31, 1577
+Elizabeth Berkeley m: abt.1555 b: 1540
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<< Also Richard de Beauchamp, K.B., 2nd Lord Beauchamp of Powyck [husband
of no#: 15 below], his Mother was Margaret Ferrers, Sister of Richard
Ferrers. Is Margaret related to Henry Ferrers, 2nd Baron Ferrers of Groby
and thus through his wife, Isabel de Verdun to Good King Longshanks
himself? If anyone knows Margaret Ferrers Ancestry, can you Please Post
it?? >>
Here's what I have;
Ancestors of Margaret de Ferrers
Generation No. 1
1. Margaret de Ferrers (Source: F, 13:10.), died 22 January 1406/07.
She was the daughter of 2. William de Ferrers and 3. Margaret de Ufford. She
married (1) Thomas de Beauchamp (Source: W, 147-7.) Bef. April 1381. He was
born Bef. 16 March 1338/39, and died 08 April 1401. He was the son of Thomas
de Beauchamp and Katherine de Mortimer.
Generation No. 2
2. William de Ferrers (Source: F, 63:9.), born 28 February 1332/33 in
Newbold Verdon, LEI, ENG; died 08 January 1370/71 in Stebbing. He was the
son of 4. Henry de Ferrers and 5. Isabel de Verdun. He married 3. Margaret de
Ufford Bef. 1355.
3. Margaret de Ufford (Source: (1) BxP, 543., (2) F, 63:9.), born Abt.
1330. She was the daughter of 6. Robert de Ufford and 7. Margaret de Norwich.
Children of William and Margaret are:
1 i. Margaret de Ferrers, died 22 January 1406/07; married Thomas de
Beauchamp Bef. April 1381.
ii. Henry de Ferrers (Source: F, 63:8.), born 16 February 1354/55 in
Abbey of Tilty; died 03 February 1387/88; married Joan de Hoo Bef. 27 April
1371; born 1358; died 30 May 1394.
Generation No. 3
4. Henry de Ferrers (Source: (1) W, 100-6., (2) F, 63:10.), born Abt.
1294; died 15 September 1343 in Groby, LEI, ENG. He was the son of 8.
William de Ferrers and 9. Ellen de Segrave. He married 5. Isabel de Verdun
Bef. 20 February 1330/31.
5. Isabel de Verdun (Source: F, 63:10.), born 21 March 1316/17 in
Amesbury, WIL, ENG; died 25 July 1349. She was the daughter of 10. Theobald
de Verdun and 11. Elizabeth de Clare.
Child of Henry and Isabel is:
2 i. William de Ferrers, born 28 February 1332/33 in Newbold Verdon,
LEI, ENG; died 08 January
1370/71 in Stebbing; married (1) Margaret de Ufford Bef. 1355; married (2)
Margaret de Percy Bef. 25 May 1368.
6. Robert de Ufford He married 7. Margaret de Norwich.
7. Margaret de Norwich She was the daughter of 14. Walter de Norwich.
Children of Robert and Margaret are:
3 i. Margaret de Ufford, born Abt. 1330; married William de Ferrers
Bef. 1355.
ii. William de Ufford
Generation No. 4
8. William de Ferrers (Source: W, 100-5.), born 30 January 1271/72 in of
Groby, LEI, ENG. He was the son of 16. William de Ferrers and 17. Anne le
Despencer. He married 9. Ellen de Segrave Abt. 1297.
9. Ellen de Segrave (Source: (1) Ä, 58-31., (2) F, 62:10.), born Abt.
1271; died Aft. 09 February 1315/16. She was the daughter of 18. John de
Segrave and 19. Christian de Plessetis.
Children of William and Ellen are:
i. Anne de Ferrers (Source: (1) BxP, 198., (2) F, 62:10.), died 08
August 1367; married Edward le Despenser; died 30 September 1342 in Morlaix.
4 ii. Henry de Ferrers, born Abt. 1294; died 15 September 1343 in
Groby, LEI, ENG; married Isabel de Verdun Bef. 20 February 1330/31.
10. Theobald de Verdun (Source: (1) BxP, 384., (2) W, 13-6., (3) CP,
XII/2:250-251.), born 08 September 1278; died 27 July 1316 in Alveton Castle.
He was the son of 20. Theobald de Verdun and 21. Margery ..... He married
11. Elizabeth de Clare 04 February 1315/16.
11. Elizabeth de Clare (Source: (1) W, 13-6., (2) F, 42:13, 61:12iii.),
born 16 September 1295 in Tewkesbury, GLS, ENG; died 04 November 1360. She
was the daughter of 22. Gilbert de Clare and 23. Joan Plantagenet of Acre.
Child of Theobald and Elizabeth is:
5 i. Isabel de Verdun, born 21 March 1316/17 in Amesbury, WIL, ENG;
died 25 July 1349; married Henry de Ferrers Bef. 20 February 1330/31.
14. Walter de Norwich
Child of Walter de Norwich is:
7 i. Margaret de Norwich, married Robert de Ufford.
Generation No. 5
16. William de Ferrers (Source: W, 100-4.), born Abt. 1240; died Bef. 29
December 1287. He was the son of William de Ferrers and Margaret de Quincy.
He married 17. Anne le Despencer.
17. Anne le Despencer
Child of William and Anne is:
8 i. William de Ferrers, born 30 January 1271/72 in of Groby, LEI,
ENG; married Ellen de Segrave Abt. 1297.
18. John de Segrave (Source: AEY.), born 1256 in of Chacombe, NTH, ENG;
died 1325. He was the son of Nicholas de Segrave and Maud de Lucy. He
married 19. Christian de Plessetis.
19. Christian de Plessetis
Children of John and Christian are:
i. Stephen de Segrave, died Abt. 1325; married Alice de Arundel.
9 ii. Ellen de Segrave, born Abt. 1271; died Aft. 09 February 1315/16;
married William de Ferrers Abt. 1297.
20. Theobald de Verdun (Source: (1) F, 42:13., (2) CP, XII/2:250-251.),
born Abt. 1248; died 24 August 1309 in Alton, STS, ENG. He was the son of
John de Verdon and Margery de Lacy. He married 21. Margery .... Bef. 06
November 1276.
21. Margery ....
Children of Theobald and Margery .... are:
i. John de Verdun, died 1297.
10 ii. Theobald de Verdun, born 08 September 1278; died 27 July 1316 in
Alveton Castle; married (1) Maud de Mortimer 29 July 1302; married (2)
Elizabeth de Clare 04 February 1315/16.
22. Gilbert de Clare (Source: (1) W, 28-4., (2) F, 60:12.), born 02
September 1243 in Christ Church, Hants, ENG; died 07 December 1295 in
Monmouth Castle, Wales. He was the son of Richard de Clare and Maud de Lacy.
He married 23. Joan Plantagenet of Acre 30 April 1290 in Westminster Abbey,
ENG (Source: TAG).
23. Joan Plantagenet of Acre (Source: F, 60:12.), born 1272 in Acre,
Palestine; died 23 April 1307 in Clare, SUF, ENG. She was the daughter of
Edward I King of England and Alianore de Castile.
Children of Gilbert and Joan are:
i. Gilbert de Clare (Source: BxP, 120.), born 1291 (Source: A
Baronial Family in Medieveal England: The Clares, 1217-1314; Michael
Altschul, Johns Hopkins Press, 1965; henceforth ABF); died 1314 in Battle of
Bannockburn (Source: ABF); married Maud de Burgh; died 1320 (Source: ABF).
ii. Alianor de Clare (Source: F, 61:11.), born October 1292 in
Caerphilly Castle, Glamorgan, Wales; died 30 June 1337; married (1) Hugh le
Despenser Aft. 14 June 1306 in Westminster (Source: ABF); born 1290; died 26
November 1326 in Hereford, ENG; married (2) William la Zouche de Mortimer
Abt. 1328 (Source: ABF); died 28 February 1335/36 (Source: ABF).
iii. Margaret de Clare (Source: F, 5:13, 61:12ii.), born October
1292 in Caerphilly Castle; died 09 April 1342; married (1) Peter de Gaveston
01 November 1307 (Source: (1) ABF, (2) F); born Abt. 1284 in Béarn, Gascony
(Source: F); died 19 June 1312; married (2) Hugh D'Audley Aft. 1312; born
Abt. 1289; died 10 November 1347.
11 iv. Elizabeth de Clare, born 16 September 1295 in Tewkesbury, GLS,
ENG; died 04 November 1360; married (1) John de Burgh 30 September 1308 in
Waltham Abbey, ESS, ENG; married (2) Theobald de Verdun 04 February 1315/16;
married (3) Roger Damory 1317.
Always optimistic--Dave
ED MANN
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I was wondering if this Line of Descent from Henry I, King of England
> to Henry Lygon, is still a valid line of Descent?
I have alternatives:
Direct Descendants of Henry I of England
1 [10] Henry I of England aka: "Beauclerc" b: 1068 d: 1 Dec 1135 ref
#: Ä121-25
2 Constance ref #: Ä98-25
+Roscelin de Maine aka: Raoul V de Beaumont d: Aft. 1145
3 Richard I de Beaumont aka: Vicomte de Maine d: Aft. 1194 ref #:
Ä98-26
+N de L'Aigle ref #: (Ä98-26)
4 Constance de Beaumont d: Aft. 1226 ref #: Ä98-27
+Roger IV de Toeni b: Abt. 1160 d: Jan 1208/09 ref #: Ä98A-27
5 Ralph VI de Toeni b: 1190 d: 1239 ref #: Ä98-28
+Petronel de Lacy d: Aft. 1287 ref #: (Ä98-28)
6 [1] Roger V de Toeni b: 1235 d: Bef. 12 May 1264 ref #: Ä98-29
+Alice de Bohun ref #: W101A-3
7 Alice de Toeni d: Aft. 1306 ref #: (Ä84-29)
+Walter de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1243 d: 1303 ref #: Ä84-29
8 [9] Giles de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1273 d: Oct 1361 ref #: Ä84-30
+[8] Catherine de Bures b: Bef. 1315 d: Aft. 1354 ref #: W57-6
9 John de Beauchamp d: Bef. 1402 ref #: W58-7
+Elizabeth aka: Elizabeth de St. John d: 1411
10 William de Beauchamp aka: 1st Baron Beauchamp d: Bef. 1431 ref #:
W58-8
+Catherine de Ufflete ref #: BxP:34
11 John de Beauchamp aka: 1st Baron Beauchamp of Powyke d: Bef. 19
Apr 1475 ref #: W58-9
+Margaret Ferrers d: 29 Jan 1486/87
12 [3] Richard Beauchamp aka: 2d Lord Beauchamp of Powyke b: 1435 d:
19 Jan 1502/03 ref #: W58-10
+[2] Elizabeth Stafford ref #: W28-11
13 Anne Beauchamp b: 1462 d: 1535 ref #: W28-12
+Richard Lygon aka: Knt. ref #: (Ä84-35)
14 Richard Lygon aka: Knt. d: 20 Mar 1556/57 ref #: W28-13
+Margaret Greville aka: Margaret Grevell ref #: Ä84-36
15 Henry Lygon b: Abt. 1525 d: Abt. 1577 ref #: W28-14
*2nd Wife of [1] Roger V de Toeni:
2 Robert de Caen aka: Earl of Gloucester b: Abt. 1090 d: 31 Oct 1147
ref #: Ä124-26
+Maud FitzHamon b: Abt. 1090 d: 1157 ref #: (Ä63-26)
3 Maud de Caen aka: Maud FitzRobert b: Abt. 1120 d: 29 Jul 1189 ref
#: Ä125-27
+Ranulph de Guernon aka: 2d Earl of Chester b: Abt. 1100 d: 16 Dec
1153 ref #: Ä132A-27
4 Hugh de Kevelioc aka: 3d Earl of Chester b: 1147 d: 30 Jun 1181 ref
#: Ä125-28
+Bertrade de Montfort b: Abt. 1155 d: 1227 ref #: (Ä125-28)
5 Mabel of Chester aka: Mabel de Meschines b: Abt. 1172 ref #:
Ä126-29
+William d'Aubigny aka: Named in Magna Charta b: Abt. 1133 d: 1
Feb 1220/21 ref #: W129-1
6 Nichole d'Aubigny b: Abt. 1193 d: Bef. 1254 ref #: W136-2
+Roger de Somery aka: Baron Dudley b: Abt. 1183 d: Bef. 27 Aug
1273 ref #: Ä81-29
7 [5] Margaret de Somery aka: Margery de Somery b: Abt. 1239 d: Aft.
18 Jun 1293 ref #: W136-3
+Ralph Basset aka: 1st Lord Basset of Drayton d: 4 Aug 1265 ref
#: BxP:26
8 Ralph Basset aka: 2d Lord Basset of Drayton d: 31 Dec 1299 ref #:
W136-4
+Hawise ref #: (Ä55-30)
9 Margaret Basset d: 17 Mar 1336/37 ref #: W136-5
+Edmund de Stafford aka: 1st Baron Stafford b: 15 Jul 1273 d: Bef.
12 Aug 1308 ref #: BxP:499
10 [4] Ralph de Stafford aka: 1st Earl of Stafford b: 24 Sep 1301 d:
31 Aug 1372 ref #: W136-6
+Katherine de Hastang
11 Margaret Stafford b: Abt. 1337 ref #: W28-7
+John de Stafford aka: Knt. d: Aft. 1360 ref #: BxP:501
12 Ralph de Stafford b: Abt. 1354 d: 1 Mar 1409/10 ref #: W28-8
+Maud de Hastang b: Bef. 2 Feb 1358/59 ref #: BxP:266
13 Humphrey Stafford aka: Knt. b: 1384 d: 20 Feb 1418/19 ref #: W28-9
+Elizabeth Burdet ref #: (Ä55-35)
14 Humphrey Stafford aka: Knt. b: 1400 d: Aft. 1466 ref #: W28-10
+Eleanor Aylesbury ref #: W51-9
15 [2] Elizabeth Stafford ref #: W28-11
+[3] Richard Beauchamp aka: 2d Lord Beauchamp of Powyke b: 1435 d:
19 Jan 1502/03 ref #: W58-10
*2nd Wife of [4] Ralph de Stafford:
*2nd Husband of [5] Margaret de Somery:
5 Agnes of Chester aka: Agnes de Meschines b: Abt. 1174 d: 2 Nov 1247
ref #: Ä127-29
+William de Ferrers aka: 4th Earl of Derby d: 22 Sep 1247 ref #:
Ä194-7
6 [6] William de Ferrers aka: 5th Earl of Derby b: Abt. 1193 d: 24
Mar 1253/54 ref #: Ä127-30
*2nd Wife of [6] William de Ferrers:
+[11] Margaret de Quincy b: Abt. 1218 d: Abt. 11 Mar 1283/84 ref
#: W88-3
7 Agnes de Ferrers ref #: (Ä189-4)
+Robert de Muscegros b: Abt. 1252 d: 27 Dec 1280 ref #: W57-4
8 [7] Hawise de Muscegros b: 21 Dec 1276 d: Aft. 24 Jun 1340 ref #:
W57-5
*2nd Husband of [7] Hawise de Muscegros:
+John de Bures d: Dec 1350 ref #: (Ä189-6)
9 [8] Catherine de Bures b: Bef. 1315 d: Aft. 1354 ref #: W57-6
+[9] Giles de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1273 d: Oct 1361 ref #: Ä84-30
*Partner of [10] Henry I of England:
2 Elizabeth aka: Joan ref #: Ä121B-26
+Fergus of Galloway aka: Lord of Galloway d: 12 May 1166 ref #:
(Ä38-24)
3 Uchtred of Galloway d: 22 Sep 1174 ref #: Ä121B-27
+Gunnild of Dunbar b: Abt. 1134 ref #: Ä38-24
4 Roland of Galloway b: Abt. 1164 d: Dec 1200 ref #: Ä38-25
+Elena de Morville b: Abt. 1153 d: 11 Jun 1217 ref #: (Ä38-25)
5 [12] Alan of Galloway aka: Named in Magna Charta b: Abt. 1186 d:
1234 ref #: W139-1
+ aka: Helen de L'Isle
6 Helen of Galloway b: Abt. 1208 d: Aft. 21 Nov 1245 ref #: W139-2
+Roger de Quincy aka: 2d Earl of Winchester b: Abt. 1174 d: 25 Apr
1264 ref #: W74-2
7 [11] Margaret de Quincy b: Abt. 1218 d: Abt. 11 Mar 1283/84 ref #:
W88-3
+[6] William de Ferrers aka: 5th Earl of Derby b: Abt. 1193 d: 24
Mar 1253/54 ref #: Ä127-30
--
FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
References:
Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins of
the Princess of Wales_, [page].
AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
[Pres. # : page].
BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I, [page].
EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
[page].
F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
FMS = Stewart, _Forgotten_Monarchy_of_Scotland_, [page].
NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
Π= Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
[page].
S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat emptor.
WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
ED MANN
>
> > 6 [1] Roger V de Toeni b: 1235 d: Bef. 12 May 1264 ref #: Ä98-29
> > +Alice de Bohun ref #: W101A-3
> > 7 Alice de Toeni d: Aft. 1306 ref #: (Ä84-29)
> > +Walter de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1243 d: 1303 ref #: Ä84-29
> > 8 [9] Giles de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1273 d: Oct 1361 ref #: Ä84-30
> > +[8] Catherine de Bures b: Bef. 1315 d: Aft. 1354 ref #: W57-6
> >
>
>
> Was Alice De Bohun married twice, to Roger then Ralph? Did she have 2
> different daughters called Alice De Toeni? Or are we talking about different
> people?
>
> 1 Alice De Bohun . +Ralph De Toni 1255 - 1295
> .... 2 Alice De Toni 1283 - 1324/25
> ........ +Guy De Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick 1271 - 1315
> .......... 3 Maud De Beauchamp .............. +Geoffrey De Say
> 3 Thomas De Beauchamp 1313/14 - 1369 ...... +Catherine De
> Mortimer 1319 - 1369
>
> Comments would be appreciated.
I doublechecked my source and it's Roger. See Ä98-29.
Douglas Richardson
In your helpful post below, you state that Agnes de Ferrers, wife of
Robert de Muscegros (died 1280), was the mother of his daughter, Hawise
de Muscegros (born 1276), who married John de Ferrers and John de Bures.
Actually it appears that Agnes was NOT Hawise's mother. My research
indicates that late in life Agnes conveyed her maritagium in Chinnor,
co. Oxford to the Sapy family, which action is typical in this period
of an aging widow who was childless. If Agnes was truly Hawise's
mother, Agnes' maritagium would almost certainly descended to Hawise
and not have been sold. All the other Muscegros family holdings
descended to Hawise as her father's sole heiress.
Furthermore, when Hawise married Agnes' nephew, John de Ferrers, they
had to obtain a dispensation to marry. In this instance, the
dispensation makes no mention that Hawise and John were related by
kindred, so we must assume that they were not. Rather, the
dispensation was obtained for other reasons. In any case, it would
have been extremely unlikely for first cousins to marry in this period.
The closest near kinship I see in dispensations are for couples related
in the 3rd degree or higher, which would be no closer than second
cousins. Since first cousin marriages were virtually unknown, this
would basically rule out any possibility of Hawise de Muscegros being
that closely related to John de Ferrers.
For these various reasons, I conclude that Agnes de Ferrers was not the
mother of Hawise de Muscegros.
Sincerely, Douglas Richardson
In article <382C99C6...@mail2.lcia.com>, EDL...@MAIL2.LCIA.COM
(ED MANN) wrote:
> mi...@juno.com wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I was wondering if this Line of Descent from Henry I, King
> of England
> > to Henry Lygon, is still a valid line of Descent?
> I have alternatives:
> Direct Descendants of Henry I of England
>
> 1 [10] Henry I of England aka: "Beauclerc" b: 1068 d: 1 Dec
> 1135 ref
> #: Ä121-25
> 2 Constance ref #: Ä98-25
> +Roscelin de Maine aka: Raoul V de Beaumont d: Aft. 1145
> 3 Richard I de Beaumont aka: Vicomte de Maine d: Aft. 1194 ref
> #:
> Ä98-26
> +N de L'Aigle ref #: (Ä98-26)
> 4 Constance de Beaumont d: Aft. 1226 ref #: Ä98-27
> +Roger IV de Toeni b: Abt. 1160 d: Jan 1208/09 ref #:
> Ä98A-27
> 5 Ralph VI de Toeni b: 1190 d: 1239 ref #: Ä98-28
> +Petronel de Lacy d: Aft. 1287 ref #: (Ä98-28)
> 6 [1] Roger V de Toeni b: 1235 d: Bef. 12 May 1264 ref #:
> Ä98-29
> +Alice de Bohun ref #: W101A-3
> 7 Alice de Toeni d: Aft. 1306 ref #: (Ä84-29)
> +Walter de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1243 d: 1303 ref #: Ä84-29
> 8 [9] Giles de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1273 d: Oct 1361 ref #: Ä84-30
> +[8] Catherine de Bures b: Bef. 1315 d: Aft. 1354 ref #:
> W57-6
> 9 John de Beauchamp d: Bef. 1402 ref #: W58-7
> +Elizabeth aka: Elizabeth de St. John d: 1411
> 10 William de Beauchamp aka: 1st Baron Beauchamp d: Bef.
> 1431 ref #:
> W58-8
> +Catherine de Ufflete ref #: BxP:34
> 11 John de Beauchamp aka: 1st Baron Beauchamp of Powyke d:
> Bef. 19
> Apr 1475 ref #: W58-9
> +Margaret Ferrers d: 29 Jan 1486/87
> 12 [3] Richard Beauchamp aka: 2d Lord Beauchamp of Powyke b:
> 1435 d:
> 19 Jan 1502/03 ref #: W58-10
> +[2] Elizabeth Stafford ref #: W28-11
> 13 Anne Beauchamp b: 1462 d: 1535 ref #: W28-12
> +Richard Lygon aka: Knt. ref #: (Ä84-35)
> 14 Richard Lygon aka: Knt. d: 20 Mar 1556/57 ref #: W28-13
> +Margaret Greville aka: Margaret Grevell ref #: Ä84-36
> 15 Henry Lygon b: Abt. 1525 d: Abt. 1577 ref #: W28-14
> *2nd Wife of [1] Roger V de Toeni:
> 2 Robert de Caen aka: Earl of Gloucester b: Abt. 1090 d: 31 Oct
> 1147
> ref #: Ä124-26
> +Maud FitzHamon b: Abt. 1090 d: 1157 ref #: (Ä63-26)
> 3 Maud de Caen aka: Maud FitzRobert b: Abt. 1120 d: 29 Jul
> 1189 ref
> #: Ä125-27
> +Ranulph de Guernon aka: 2d Earl of Chester b: Abt. 1100 d:
> 16 Dec
> 1153 ref #: Ä132A-27
> 4 Hugh de Kevelioc aka: 3d Earl of Chester b: 1147 d: 30 Jun
> 1181 ref
> #: Ä125-28
> +Bertrade de Montfort b: Abt. 1155 d: 1227 ref #: (Ä125-28)
> 5 Mabel of Chester aka: Mabel de Meschines b: Abt. 1172 ref #:
> Ä126-29
> +William d'Aubigny aka: Named in Magna Charta b: Abt.
> 1133 d: 1
> Feb 1220/21 ref #: W129-1
> 6 Nichole d'Aubigny b: Abt. 1193 d: Bef. 1254 ref #: W136-2
> +Roger de Somery aka: Baron Dudley b: Abt. 1183 d: Bef. 27
> Aug
> 1273 ref #: Ä81-29
> 7 [5] Margaret de Somery aka: Margery de Somery b: Abt. 1239 d:
> Aft.
> 18 Jun 1293 ref #: W136-3
> +Ralph Basset aka: 1st Lord Basset of Drayton d: 4 Aug
> 1265 ref
> #: BxP:26
> 8 Ralph Basset aka: 2d Lord Basset of Drayton d: 31 Dec
> 1299 ref #:
> W136-4
> +Hawise ref #: (Ä55-30)
> 9 Margaret Basset d: 17 Mar 1336/37 ref #: W136-5
> +Edmund de Stafford aka: 1st Baron Stafford b: 15 Jul
> 1273 d: Bef.
> 12 Aug 1308 ref #: BxP:499
> 10 [4] Ralph de Stafford aka: 1st Earl of Stafford b: 24 Sep
> 1301 d:
> 31 Aug 1372 ref #: W136-6
> +Katherine de Hastang
> 11 Margaret Stafford b: Abt. 1337 ref #: W28-7
> +John de Stafford aka: Knt. d: Aft. 1360 ref #: BxP:501
> 12 Ralph de Stafford b: Abt. 1354 d: 1 Mar 1409/10 ref #: W28-8
> +Maud de Hastang b: Bef. 2 Feb 1358/59 ref #: BxP:266
> 13 Humphrey Stafford aka: Knt. b: 1384 d: 20 Feb 1418/19 ref #:
> W28-9
> +Elizabeth Burdet ref #: (Ä55-35)
> 14 Humphrey Stafford aka: Knt. b: 1400 d: Aft. 1466 ref #:
> W28-10
> +Eleanor Aylesbury ref #: W51-9
> 15 [2] Elizabeth Stafford ref #: W28-11
> +[3] Richard Beauchamp aka: 2d Lord Beauchamp of Powyke b:
> 1435 d:
> 19 Jan 1502/03 ref #: W58-10
> *2nd Wife of [4] Ralph de Stafford:
> *2nd Husband of [5] Margaret de Somery:
> 5 Agnes of Chester aka: Agnes de Meschines b: Abt. 1174 d: 2
> Nov 1247
> ref #: Ä127-29
> +William de Ferrers aka: 4th Earl of Derby d: 22 Sep
> 1247 ref #:
> Ä194-7
> 6 [6] William de Ferrers aka: 5th Earl of Derby b: Abt. 1193 d:
> 24
> Mar 1253/54 ref #: Ä127-30
> *2nd Wife of [6] William de Ferrers:
> +[11] Margaret de Quincy b: Abt. 1218 d: Abt. 11 Mar
> 1283/84 ref
> #: W88-3
> 7 Agnes de Ferrers ref #: (Ä189-4)
> +Robert de Muscegros b: Abt. 1252 d: 27 Dec 1280 ref #:
> W57-4
> 8 [7] Hawise de Muscegros b: 21 Dec 1276 d: Aft. 24 Jun
> 1340 ref #:
> W57-5
> *2nd Husband of [7] Hawise de Muscegros:
> +John de Bures d: Dec 1350 ref #: (Ä189-6)
> 9 [8] Catherine de Bures b: Bef. 1315 d: Aft. 1354 ref #: W57-6
> +[9] Giles de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1273 d: Oct 1361 ref #:
> Ä84-30
> *Partner of [10] Henry I of England:
> 2 Elizabeth aka: Joan ref #: Ä121B-26
> +Fergus of Galloway aka: Lord of Galloway d: 12 May
> 1166 ref #:
> (Ä38-24)
> 3 Uchtred of Galloway d: 22 Sep 1174 ref #: Ä121B-27
> +Gunnild of Dunbar b: Abt. 1134 ref #: Ä38-24
> 4 Roland of Galloway b: Abt. 1164 d: Dec 1200 ref #: Ä38-25
> +Elena de Morville b: Abt. 1153 d: 11 Jun 1217 ref #:
> (Ä38-25)
> 5 [12] Alan of Galloway aka: Named in Magna Charta b: Abt.
> 1186 d:
> 1234 ref #: W139-1
> + aka: Helen de L'Isle
> 6 Helen of Galloway b: Abt. 1208 d: Aft. 21 Nov 1245 ref #:
> W139-2
> +Roger de Quincy aka: 2d Earl of Winchester b: Abt. 1174 d:
> 25 Apr
> 1264 ref #: W74-2
> 7 [11] Margaret de Quincy b: Abt. 1218 d: Abt. 11 Mar
> 1283/84 ref #:
> W88-3
> +[6] William de Ferrers aka: 5th Earl of Derby b: Abt.
> 1193 d: 24
> Mar 1253/54 ref #: Ä127-30
> --
> FWIW; AFAIK; IMHO; YMMV; yadda, yadda, yadda.
> Regards, Ed Mann mailto:edl...@mail2.lcia.com
> References:
> Ä = Weis, _Ancestral_Roots_, 7th ed.
> AACPW = Roberts & Reitwiesner, _American Ancestors and Cousins
> of
> the Princess of Wales_, [page].
> AAP = Roberts, _Ancestors_of_American_Presidents_, [page] or
> [Pres. # : page].
> BP1 = _Burke's_Presidential_Families_, 1st ed. [page].
> BPci = _Burke's_Peerage_, 101st ed., [page].
> BRF = Weir, _Britain's_Royal_Families_, [page].
> BxP = _Burke's_Dormant_&_Extinct_Peerages_, [page].
> EC1 = Redlich, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol I,
> [page].
> EC2 = Langston & Buck, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol
> II,
> [page].
> EC3 = Buck & Beard, _Emperor_Charlemagne's_Descendants_, Vol II,
> [page].
> F = Faris, _Plantagenet_Ancestry_, [page:para].
> FMS = Stewart, _Forgotten_Monarchy_of_Scotland_, [page].
> NK1 = Roberts, _Notable_Kin_Volume_One_, [page].
> Å’ = Hardy, _Colonial_Families_of_the_Southern_States_of_America_,
> [page].
> S = Stuart, _Royalty_for_Commoners_, 2d ed. Caveat emptor.
> W = Weis, _Magna_Charta_Sureties,_1215_, 4th ed.
> WFT = Broderbund's World Family Tree CD, [vol]:[num] Caveat
> emptor.
> WMC = Wurt's Magna Charta, [vol]:[page]
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> 6 [1] Roger V de Toeni b: 1235 d: Bef. 12 May 1264 ref #: Ä98-29
> +Alice de Bohun ref #: W101A-3
> 7 Alice de Toeni d: Aft. 1306 ref #: (Ä84-29)
> +Walter de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1243 d: 1303 ref #: Ä84-29
> 8 [9] Giles de Beauchamp b: Abt. 1273 d: Oct 1361 ref #: Ä84-30
> +[8] Catherine de Bures b: Bef. 1315 d: Aft. 1354 ref #: W57-6
>
Pasted below is the Tree I constructed using Internet sources.
Was Alice De Bohun married twice, to Roger then Ralph? Did she have 2
different daughters called Alice De Toeni? Or are we talking about different
people?
1 Alice De Bohun . +Ralph De Toni 1255 - 1295
.... 2 Alice De Toni 1283 - 1324/25
........ +Guy De Beauchamp, Earl of Warwick 1271 - 1315
.......... 3 Maud De Beauchamp .............. +Geoffrey De Say
3 Thomas De Beauchamp 1313/14 - 1369 ...... +Catherine De
Mortimer 1319 - 1369
Comments would be appreciated.
Dan