Re: Widow Anne Baynton Batt signs her maiden name
Nathaniel Taylor
"John Brandon" <starb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The item below may show that well-born women could use their maiden
> names (or previously-married names) in the period of interest to
> possible Skipwith descendants:
>
> F. J. Routledge, ed., _Calendar of the Clarendon State Papers Preserved
> in the Bodleian Library_, 5 vols. (Oxford: Clarendon Press,18[_]-1872),
> 5:420:
>
> Sept. 1 [1664], Boston. Anna Baynton to Clarendon. Loyal professions.
> Asks favour for a poor widow. Her father had a wine licence confirmed
> by Sir Lionel Cranfeelde, afterwards Lord Treasurer, for three lives.
> Writer forfeited it through her trustee failing to pay some part of the
> rent to the wine office. Hopes the King has not empowered the new
> commissioners to annul this grant. Asks him [Clarendon] to consider her
> desperate case and get this licence restored to her.
>
> This is clearly the widow Anne (Baynton) Batt of New England (her
> husband died in 1661). Moreover, her husband was very closely related
> to the letter's addressee, Lord Clarendon (see _Notes and Queries_ 220
> (1975), p. 29). One might have thought she would use her married name
> to stress the connection to Lord Clarendon, but it seems to be a common
> view that the Bayntons were somewhat higher up the social ladder than
> the Batts.
Interesting. On the other hand, despite any Batt-Clarendon connection,
since this petition concerns her father's wine license, the use of her
maiden name has a certain logic. And haven't we seen other instances of
widows using either their maiden names, or, if widowed more than once,
whichever of their marital names was the most prominent, without regard
to the order of the marriages?
Nat Taylor
a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://home.earthlink.net/~nathanieltaylor/leaves/
mj...@btinternet.com
John Brandon wrote:
> The item below may show that well-born women could use their maiden
> names (or previously-married names) in the period of interest to
> possible Skipwith descendants:
>
> F. J. Routledge, ed., _Calendar of the Clarendon State Papers Preserved
> in the Bodleian Library_, 5 vols. (Oxford: Clarendon Press,18[_]-1872),
> 5:420:
>
> Sept. 1 [1664], Boston. Anna Baynton to Clarendon. Loyal professions.
> Asks favour for a poor widow. Her father had a wine licence confirmed
> by Sir Lionel Cranfeelde, afterwards Lord Treasurer, for three lives.
> Writer forfeited it through her trustee failing to pay some part of the
> rent to the wine office. Hopes the King has not empowered the new
> commissioners to annul this grant. Asks him [Clarendon] to consider her
> desperate case and get this licence restored to her.
>
> This is clearly the widow Anne (Baynton) Batt of New England (her
> husband died in 1661). Moreover, her husband was very closely related
> to the letter's addressee, Lord Clarendon (see _Notes and Queries_ 220
> (1975), p. 29). One might have thought she would use her married name
> to stress the connection to Lord Clarendon, but it seems to be a common
> view that the Bayntons were somewhat higher up the social ladder than
> the Batts.
This is the fourth time that you have posted this extract over the past
five years, so it would be interesting to know how, as it is apparently
only an extract of the original document, do we know that the
petitioner signed as Anna Baynton?
Is it not possible that the document refers to her as Anna (nee)
Baynton in order to assist her identification as the daughter of the
original grantee (she may have been called Anna Baynton in the grant
for lives) - a possibility that you have adverted to previously?
I assume you are correct in your identification of her as the wife of
Christopher Batt, but how certain is this?
Douglas Richardson
Great find! Thank so much for sharing this information. Anne
(Baynton) Batt's father, Ferdinando Batt, was an innkeeper in England,
which explains why he held a wine license.
Like Diana (Skipwith) Dale, Anne (Baynton) Batt was among the highest
born women to come to colonial America. Among Anne's near kinsfolk are
William Cavendish, 1st Earl of Devonshire, William Cavendish, 1st Duke
of Newcastle, Henry Frederick Howard, Earl of Arundel, Surrey, &
Norfolk, Sir William Howard, Viscount Stafford, John Manners, 8th Earl
of Rutland, Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 3rd Earl of Shaftesbury, James
Annesley, 3rd Earl of Anglesey, Robert Pierrepont, 1st Earl of
Kington-upon-Hull, plus a whole raft of countesses.
Anne (Baynton) Batt's petition showing that she used her maiden name
long after her marriage should lay to rest once and for all whether or
not her fellow immigrant, Diana (Skipwith) Dale, could have used her
maiden name after marriage. And, once the issue of Diana Skipwith
using maiden name after marriage is swept away, the evidence is
overwhelming that Diana was the sole wife of Major Edward Dale,
Esquire, and the mother of all three of his children.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry. net
Todd A. Farmerie
>
> Anne (Baynton) Batt's petition showing that she used her maiden name
> long after her marriage should lay to rest once and for all whether or
> not her fellow immigrant, Diana (Skipwith) Dale, could have used her
> maiden name after marriage.
Rumors of the death of this controversy are greatly exagerated. As Nat
pointed out, the case of a woman using her maiden name after the death
of her husband is not directly analogous to that of a woman using her
maiden name while her marriage was still a going concern.
taf
Douglas Richardson
Major Edward Dale is based on a review of the evidence, not on rumors.
dcr
Chris Dickinson
> The item below may show that well-born women could use their maiden
> names (or previously-married names) in the period of interest to
> possible Skipwith descendants:
and
Todd A. Farmerie wrote:
>Rumors of the death of this controversy are greatly exagerated. As Nat
>pointed out, the case of a woman using her maiden name after the death of
>her husband is not directly analogous to that of a woman using her maiden
>name while her marriage was still a going concern.
This is an example of a woman called by her previously married name (Frances
was daughter of Christopher Lancaster of Sockbridge and former wife of Sir
Christopher Lowther of Whitehaven - but he was a baronet so it's not exactly
a good example)
The parish register of Lamplugh has this burial entry:
|6 January 1646/7
|
|The Lady Frances Lowther, the wife of John Lamplugh, Esq., died the 4th of
|Januarie betwixt 3 and foure of the clocke in the morning.
John Lamplugh of Lamplugh Hall, Lord of the Manor of Lamplugh, no doubt
outraged by this insult to the name of Lamplugh, made sure that his next and
third wife had the name his second should have used - his cousin Frances,
daughter of Thoms Lamplugh of Ribton. :-)
Chris
mj...@btinternet.com
John Brandon schrieb:
> > This is the fourth time that you have posted this extract over the past
> > five years, so it would be interesting to know how, as it is apparently
> > only an extract of the original document, do we know that the
> > petitioner signed as Anna Baynton?
>
> I assume the editorial practice would be to take the name *as signed*
> and insert it as a header to the calendar entry ["Anna Baynton to
> Clarendon"], but I admit it would be helpful to see the original
> document.
>
> Possibly her marriage had not been very happy, as her husband was
> "accidentally" shot by one of the sons ...
No doubt an interesting tale in there somewhere!
It is curious that the "high-class" Ferdinand Baynton should have been
an inn-keeper: not a terribly patrician undertaking in the early 17th
century. Do you happen to know the source for his having followed such
a profession? I have only seen a PROCAT reference which calls him
"gentleman, of Salisbury" [E 44/140, dated 17 June 17 James I - i.e.
1619]
MA-R
Todd A. Farmerie
> Todd A. Farmerie wrote:
> <
> < Rumors of the death of this controversy are greatly exagerated. As
> Nat
> < pointed out, the case of a woman using her maiden name after the
> death
> < of her husband is not directly analogous to that of a woman using her
>
> < maiden name while her marriage was still a going concern.
> My conclusion regarding the timing of Diana Skipwith's marriage to
> Major Edward Dale is based on a review of the evidence, not on rumors.
Nice strawman. You might even trick a few readers into thinking I had
claimed the latter was the case.
No, your conclusion - that a single documented case of birth surname
usage by a New England _widow_ somehow "lay[s] to rest" a question of
surname usage by a Virginia _bride_ - was not based on rumor, just on a
failure to note a critical distinction between the status of the two
that prevents one from being the direct analog of the other. Thus, the
conclusion reached through ignoring this distinction, that the question
has been "lay[ed] to rest", is hardly a non-partisan assessment of the
situation.
taf
mj...@btinternet.com
John Brandon schrieb:
> > This is an example of a woman called by her previously married name
> (Frances
> > was daughter of Christopher Lancaster of Sockbridge and former wife of Sir
> > Christopher Lowther of Whitehaven - but he was a baronet so it's not exactly
> > a good example)
>
> Actually, it is a good example, in that it shows that women sometimes
> thought they were entitled to use the "best" name they had had (whether
> by birth or by *prior* marriage) ...
True. For instance, Frances Grey, Dowager Duchess of Suffolk married
her master-of-the-horse, Adrian Stokes, after her husband the Duke
died, yet she always retained her ducal style (e.g. PROCAT C 1/1469/75:
"Adrian Stokes, esquire, and Frances, Duchess of Suffolk, his wife").
The problem with the Skipwith case is that there would seem to be no
reason for Diana to have used her maiden name in preference to her
married surname after the marriage: Frances Grey, and Lady Lowther
clearly had something to lose (status). We see the same thing today
with the late Princess of Wales's step-mother, who after her divorce
from a French count - her third husband - has reverted to calling
herself Raine, Countess Spencer, although legally she is no longer
entitled to do so.
MA-R
Tony Hoskins
observed a widow use the new husband's surname.
Tony
>>> "John Brandon" <starb...@hotmail.com> 04/20/06 04:16PM >>>
NEHGR, 47:396-97: DAME KATHERINE BARNARDISTON wife of William Towse
Sergeant at the Law, 25 February 8th of Charles, proved 19 March 1632,
confirmed by sentence 2 March 1633. At time of marriage of the said
Dame Katherine with the said William Towse she had assigned certain
goods &c. unto Richard Deane, now citizen and alderman of London --
Nathaniel Taylor
"John Brandon" <starb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> NEHGR, 47:396-97: DAME KATHERINE BARNARDISTON wife of William Towse
> Sergeant at the Law, 25 February 8th of Charles, proved 19 March 1632,
> confirmed by sentence 2 March 1633. At time of marriage of the said
> Dame Katherine with the said William Towse she had assigned certain
> goods &c. unto Richard Deane, now citizen and alderman of London --
This is interesting; it shows how this widow of a knight kept his name
and the style 'Dame' even during (not merely after) her subsequent
marriage to a non-knight. This still belongs in a category distinct
from a presumed bride using an unadorned maiden name with no other
qualifiers.
Also interesting is that she names at least two 'sons' who are actually
her stepsons, if we believe the footnote on p. 397 that they were
children of her late husband by his first wife.
Chris Dickinson
>The problem with the Skipwith case is that there would seem to be no
>reason for Diana to have used her maiden name in preference to her
>married surname after the marriage: Frances Grey, and Lady Lowther
>clearly had something to lose (status).
<snip>
There was another very practical reason, other than status, for her to make
that choice.
Her husband, John Lamplugh, had 'raised a regiment' for the King, fought at
Marston Moor, been wounded and captured and, at the time of her death, was
at the rock bottom of his fortunes. Carrying the name Lowther rather than
Lamplugh might have been a wise political move.
In any case, I don't think that examples of name-continuation from one
formal social class to a lower formal socail class have any relevance
whatsoever to the continued use of surnames within a non-titled social
class; so Lady Frances is, sadly, a red herring - or a dead duck if you
prefer!
However, on another look at the register, the Lamplugh family (bless 'em!)
provide another example that adds ammunition to both sides. John Lampugh's
first wife was Jane Kirkby.
Marriage 20 January 1638/9
John Lamplugh, esquire, married at Kirkbye, Mrs. Jaine Kirkbye on Sunday
Burial 3 August 1640
Mrs. Jane Lamplugh, wife of John Lamplugh, Esqr. together with Jaine her
daughter, who was baptised and buried that same daye. Her name was Mrs.
Kirkby before.
The phrase 'Her name was Mrs. Kirkby before' indciates both a pride in the
name (and so its continuation) and yet its lack of formal use.
[Jane Kirkby was the daughter of Mr Roger Kirkby of Kirkby. The use of 'Mrs'
was a standard period term of respect for spinsters of social standing]
Chris
Jwc...@aol.com
Actually, the term Miss didn`t exist until the nineteenth
century, so Mrs. "Mistress" was the title of respect for unmarried women not
daughters of a Earl or someone of higher rank who were Lady (given name,
surname). married women could be Goodwife
WJho...@aol.com
In a message dated 4/23/2006 12:39:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Jwc...@aol.com writes:
married women could be Goodwife
Shortened to "Goody", leading some newly-minted genealogists to think this
was a proper name instead of a title.
Will Johnson
Renia
> Dear John ~
>
> Great find! Thank so much for sharing this information. Anne
> (Baynton) Batt's father, Ferdinando Batt, was an innkeeper in England,
> which explains why he held a wine license.
An innkeeper would not have been seen as high-born at this time.
Renia
> Dear John ~
>
> Great find! Thank so much for sharing this information. Anne
> (Baynton) Batt's father, Ferdinando Batt, was an innkeeper in England,
> which explains why he held a wine license.
>
> Like Diana (Skipwith) Dale, Anne (Baynton) Batt was among the highest
> born women to come to colonial America.
An innkeeper would not have been seen as high-born during this period.
(Sorry for re-post. Snipped too much.)
Renia
It was the title of respect for married women, not unmarried women,
although in earlier periods, it was used for both. Goodwife was the wife
of a landed proprietor.
Renia
Not for spinsters. It was a title of respect for untitled married women,
the "Mistress" of such-and-such family's house - hence "Mrs". It was the
female equivalent of "Mr", the form of respect for a gentleman without a
title.
Tim Powys-Lybbe
I have in my possession a letter written in 1693 to an unmarried lady
and it is addressed clearly to: Madam.
--
Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org
Renia
> In message of 26 Apr, Renia <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote:
>
>
>>Jwc...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Dear Chris,
>>> Actually, the term Miss didn`t exist until the nineteenth
>>>century, so Mrs. "Mistress" was the title of respect for unmarried women not
>>>daughters of a Earl or someone of higher rank who were Lady (given name,
>>>surname). married women could be Goodwife
>>
>>It was the title of respect for married women, not unmarried women,
>>although in earlier periods, it was used for both. Goodwife was the wife
>>of a landed proprietor.
>
>
> I have in my possession a letter written in 1693 to an unmarried lady
> and it is addressed clearly to: Madam.
And?
Tony Hoskins
sign indicative of social status a shade (or so) above "Mistress". In
any case, by the 1690s les mots de politesses in England were y and
large more refined and subtly attuned than in America; although, I can
cite the odd reference to high-born ladies in Virginia so designated.
Rare, though.
Tony Hoskins
>>> "John Brandon" <starb...@hotmail.com> 04/25/06 05:47PM >>>
What the awful Tim is implying here, I think, is that one would think
'Madam' could only apply to a married lady, but this was addressed to
a
spinster. She must have been of very high rank/ exalted qualities (?
beauty) to deserve 'Madam' rather than mere 'Mistress.'
>>> "John Brandon" <starb...@hotmail.com> 04/25/06 05:47PM >>>
What the awful Tim is implying here, I think, is that one would think
'Madam' could only apply to a married lady, but this was addressed to
a
spinster. She must have been of very high rank/ exalted qualities (?
beauty) to deserve 'Madam' rather than mere 'Mistress.'
mj...@btinternet.com
"Tony Hoskins" wrote:
>"John Brandon" <starb...@hotmail.com> 04/25/06 05:47PM >>>
> >What the awful Tim is implying here, I think, is that one would think
> '>Madam' could only apply to a married lady, but this was addressed to
> >a spinster. She must have been of very high rank/ exalted qualities (?
> >beauty) to deserve 'Madam' rather than mere 'Mistress.'
>
> Tim's reference to an unmarried lady addressed as "Madam" is surely a
> sign indicative of social status a shade (or so) above "Mistress". In
> any case, by the 1690s les mots de politesses in England were by and
> large more refined and subtly attuned than in America
One could be forgiven for thinking that this is still the case,
although I rather suspect that one juvenile poster's bestowal upon
another of the epithet "awful" is more likely an indication of his own
lack of manners.
Until fairly recently in England, "Mrs" was an indication of rank
rather than marital status.
Michael Andrews-Reading
mj...@btinternet.com
John Brandon wrote:
> > > any case, by the 1690s les mots de politesses in England were by and
> > > large more refined and subtly attuned than in America
> >
> > One could be forgiven for thinking that this is still the case,
> > although I rather suspect that one juvenile poster's bestowal upon
>
John, I don't much mind whether you think me stuffy, snobbish or awful,
but it would be nice to see you concentrate on mediaeval genealogy
(which you are good at) instead of insulting other posters and
embarrassing yourself by reminding us that, sometimes, you need to grow
up.
MA-R
Matt Tompkins
> Well, I've never cared much for Mr. Lybbe-Powys-Lybbe. Too stuffy, too
> snobby. Too concerned with ... boring heraldry.
Tim is in fact remarkably free from both stuffiness and snobbery - I've
always found him very down to earth, very practical and realistic in
his approach to genealogy (qualities reflected in his website, which
supplies brief details of just about everyone who was anyone among the
late medieval Buckinghamshire gentry with a minimum of searching).
And he's generous with his help.
Matt Tompkins
Renia
>>I rather suspect that one juvenile poster's bestowal upon another of the epithet "awful" is more likely an indication of his own lack of manners.
>
>
> Well, I've never cared much for Mr. Lybbe-Powys-Lybbe. Too stuffy, too
> snobby. Too concerned with ... boring heraldry.
>
> But that's just my opinion!
Charming.
Tony Hoskins
I do note agree that it is "moralizing" to note someone's unjustified
bad manners. I agree with Matt that Tim is a remarkably knowledgeable,
unstuffy, and generous presence here.
Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404
ToddWhi...@aol.com
(http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2006-04/1145543853)
I found in a 1658 Maryland court case an instance where Jane (Eltonhead)
Moryson-Fenwick used her maiden name and married name, which seemed to me almost
a unique occurrence in Maryland at that time.
In the Provincial Court Proceedings of 28 Apr. 1658 see Mrs. Jane Elltonhead
Fenwick v. Henry Pope def., in which the plaintiff claimed Pope laid claim
to her cattle mark and also killed one of her steers (see Archives of
Maryland 41, p. 70).
Claud...@aol.com
In a message dated 4/26/2006 1:52:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
starb...@hotmail.com writes:
> In the Provincial Court Proceedings of 28 Apr. 1658 see Mrs. Jane
Elltonhead
> Fenwick v. Henry Pope def., in which the plaintiff claimed Pope laid claim
> to her cattle mark and also killed one of her steers (see Archives of
> Maryland 41, p. 70).
_http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/megafile/msa/speccol/sc2900/sc2908/000001/0
00041/html/am41--70.html_
(http://www.mdarchives.state.md.us/megafile/msa/speccol/sc2900/sc2908/000001/000041/html/am41--70.html)
This is very significant if taken in respect of the Eltonhead family. Jane
Eltonhead was the daughter of Richard Eltonhead [1582-1664] by his wife Ann
Sutton [a practicing Catholic who with her mother Anne Stanley had been brought
up on charges repeatedly]. These are their children:
1. William Eltonhead [1616-March 25, 1655]. He married Jane Gerrard.
2. Agatha Eltonhead married (1) Luke Stubbins (2) Ralph Wormeley (3) Sir
Henry Chicheley of Lancaster Cty, VA.
3. Eleanor Eltonhead married (1) William Brocas, (2) Col. John Carter of
Lancaster Cty., VA
4. Martha Eltonhead married Edwin Conway of Lancaster Cty, VA.
5. Alice Eltonhead married (1) Rowland Burnham, (2)Henry Corbyn of Lancaster
Cty., VA
6. Ann Eltonhead married Edward Wall
7. Katherine Eltonhead married Thomas Meare
8. Elizabeth Eltonhead married Henry Parham
9. Richard Eltonhead died in infancy
10. Jane Eltonhead married (1) Robert Morryson, (2) Cuthbert Fenwick.
11. James Eltonhead
12. Edward Eltonhead died in infancy.
13. Henry Eltonhead
14. John Eltonhead died in infancy.
Jane Eltonhead Fenwick left 1/2 her personal estate in her will of 1660
[Maryland Calendar of Wills, Vol. I, pp-14-27] to the Roman Catholic Church.
This brings into question the religious disposition of her siblings who were
married into some of the most important families in Virginia.
Please note that Sir Henry Chichley, a 1st cousin to Diana Skipwith and also
personally close to her brother Harry Skipwith the 2nd Baronet Prestwold.,
is the third husband of Agatha Eltonhead.
Eleanor Eltonhead married as her second husband Col. John Carter for whom
Diana Skipwith witnessed 2 of the 1655 deeds using her maiden name.
Both Col. John Carter and Edwin Conway were Godparents to two of Capt.
Thomas Carter and Katherine Dale's children. Also Letitica Corbyn [later wife of
Richard Lee] stood as Godmother to Edward Carter, eldest son with Diana
Skipwith Dale, Edward Dale and Edwin Conway.
An Elizabeth Eltonhead married Edward Acton, step-son of Sir Henry Skipwith,
on Oct. 4, 1660 at St. Dunstan's, Stepney in London. We know only that she
was born ca. 1635 [age 25 at the time of marriage] residing in Woolrich, Kent
never before married and both her parents were deceased. Her exact
relationship to the Eltonhead family of Lancashire is unknown.
The above suit occurred on April 25, 1658 which is exactly the same time
period that is involved with the Skipwith deeds and also as shown above the
Skipwiths and Eltonheads were connected. The Eltonheads like the Skipwiths had
no ready money to provide dowries for their daughters. All of the Eltonhead
women who came to North America were married to well to do planters at least 10
years there senior. Both Richard Eltonhead and Sir Henry Skipwith were
royalists and both were fined as such by the Cromwellian Government.
From available records in the Calendar of State Papers and the early deeds
available for Lancaster County and Northumberland County, Virginia it appears
that the Eltonhead sisters were among the numerous passengers of the 13 ships
that left England for Virginia in October 1652. It is in this same group of
ships that Diana and Grey Skipwith are believed to have sailed.
This seems to be the most unusual use of a maiden name so far in the
documents found. This has a bearing on the Skipwith deeds and Diana's signature.
Best regards,
MichaelAnne
WJho...@aol.com
Claud...@aol.com writes:
<< Please note that Sir Henry Chichley, a 1st cousin to Diana Skipwith and
also
personally close to her brother Harry Skipwith the 2nd Baronet Prestwold.,
is the third husband of Agatha Eltonhead. >>
Could you specify the exact nature in which Diana Skipwith and Henry Chichley
are 1st cousins? I don't appear to have anything on this.
Thanks
Will
Claud...@aol.com
Sir Henry Chichley is the son of Dorothy Kempe and Sir Thomas Chicheley of
Wimpole. Dorothy Kempe is the sister of Amy Kempe , 1st wife of Sir Henry
Skipwith.
The relationship between Sir Henry Chichley and his cousin Harry Skipwith is
shown by the following:
Calendar of State Papers, Domestic Series - Charles I, Addenda 1625-1649
[miscellaneous papers] ed. W. Noel Sainsbury, Esq. London 1857 page 676:
March 21, 1645
Dunkirk
273. J. Barker to Henry Chicheley. When I was a prisoner at Peterhouse in
London, I did several times salute you, but know not if my letters found the
right way to you. I hope Harry Skipwith told you that we remembered you in such
liquor as our jail afforded. The story of your adventures and successes
would be very welcome, and would find me Chez Mons. Hobson, marchant anglois, a
Bruxelles. If your brother Thomas Chicheley be with you, give my service to
him. I have heard of great advantages and honors that have fallen to your lot,
to which I cordially wish a daily increase. If our old comrade Dick Ryding be
there he has my respects. Vale [1 p.]
This was delivered in a series of three letters. The first was addressed to
William Cobbe of Oxford. J. Barker recommends the messenger carrying these
letters as "a loyal subject and good servant to the King, and too honest to
live among rebels." He states that he is in the company of Sir Robert Rookewood,
Sir Edward Sullyard, Sir Francis Mannock and diverse other friends. He
apparently is getting ready to sail from Kent to Brussels where he will stay
with Mr. Hobson, an English merchant in Brussels. He asks William Cobbe to
deliver the second letter to Henry Chicheley if he "be alive."
Henry Chichley was one of the first royalist refugees in Virginia:
Calendar of State Papers, Colonial Series, Vol. 1 1574-1660, Ed. W. Noel
Sainsbury, Esq. London 1860: Reprinted Kraus Reprint Ltd. Vaduz 1964,
Pages 337-338:
April 6, 1650 Order of the Council of State. Sir Henry Chickley [Chicheley],
upon taking the engagement to have a pass for Virginia; or, upon giving
security to do nothing prejudicial to the present government, to be released to
go out of town, and out of the lines of communication [ INTERREGNUM, Entry
Bk., Vol. XCII., p. 177]
April 9, 1650 Licence for Sir Henry Chicheley, Thos. Cox, and Robert Pigge,
to pass to Virginia [Minute. INTERREGNUM, Entry Bk., Vol. CXXXII., p. 8]
MichaelAnne
Vickie Elam White
Re: William Eltonhead (1616-1655). My records show that his wife was
Jane Fenwick (1618-1659), sister of Cuthbert Fenwick. She married 1) Capt.
Thomas Smith 2) Capt. Phillip Taylor and 3) William Eltonhead.
In an article titled "Gerard's Daughters" (Md. Historical Mag., v. 68, pp.
443-450, 1973), John Walton pointed out that there is no evidence that she
was a Gerard, and that "it is not likely that a woman who had two husbands
and four children before 1649 was a legitimate daughter of a man who was
born in 1609 and married in 1629." Thomas Gerard's marriage covenant was
dated 21 Sept 1629, making the birth of a child before 1630 most unlikely.
So, if legitimately a daughter of Thomas Gerard, Jane would have been
married and had two children by the time she was no more than 15 years old.
As for William Eltonhead's parentage, I show he was a son of William
Eltonhead and Ann Bowers, but with no documentation. Could you help
straighten me out on this point?
Vickie Elam White
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Merilyn Pedrick
God, you're a rude bastard John. Try being a bit more stuffy. It might
make you more polite.
Merilyn Pedrick
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Leo van de Pas
Brad Verity
> It is curious that the "high-class" Ferdinand Baynton should have been
> an inn-keeper: not a terribly patrician undertaking in the early 17th
> century. Do you happen to know the source for his having followed such
> a profession? I have only seen a PROCAT reference which calls him
> "gentleman, of Salisbury" [E 44/140, dated 17 June 17 James I - i.e.
> 1619]
Dear Michael,
Per PA3 (pp. 69-70), Ferdinando Baynton, "Gent., of New Salisbury,
Wiltshire, innholder" was baptized at Bromham, Wiltshire 28 May 1566,
the third and youngest son of Henry Baynton, Esq., of Temple Rockley
(in Preshute) and Lavington Baynton (in Market Lavington), Wiltshire,
and Chelsea, Middlesex, and his wife Anne Cavendish. Henry Baynton
was, in turn, the fourth of five sons of Sir Edward Baynton, of
Bromham, M.P. (and the elder son by Sir Edward's 2nd wife Isabel
Leigh).
No death dates are provided for Henry Baynton and Anne Cavendish - the
last sentence on their potted bio is "In 1595 he sold the manor of
Temple Rockley (in Preshute) to the tenant, Thomas Hutchins." The
sources cited for Henry Baynton and Anne Cavendish are:
**'Jour. of the Derbyshire Arch. & Nat. Hist. Soc.' 29 (1907): 81-102
[My guess is that this source has to do with the Cavendishes, since the
Bayntons don't appear to have had anything to do with Derbyshire.]
**'Wiltshire Vis. Peds. 1623' (H.S.P. 105-6) (1954): 5-8 (Bainton
pedigree: "Henry Bainton de Co Wilts Ar: 4 filius=... filia Rici
Cavendish de Com Nott militis") [Note: this is in opposition to the
parentage for Anne that Douglas says in the potted bio: "daughter of
William Cavendish, Knt. of Northaw, Hertfordshire, and Chatsworth,
Derbyshire".]
**A.R. Wagner 'English Gen.' (1960): 182-183, Table II at end.
**W.G. Davis 'Anc. of Abel Lunt (1963): 244-246.
**'VCH Wiltshire' 8 (1965): 241-242; 10 (1975): 87-88; 11 (1980): 8; 12
(1983): 174.
I have seen none of the above sources.
PA3 states that Ferdinando Baynton "became an innholder through the
inheritance of his wife from her grandfather, William Weare alias
Browne, innholder of Salisbury." No death dates are provided for
Ferdinando or for his wife "married about 1598 Joan Weare alias Browne,
widow of John Hinckley, of Salisbury, Wiltshire, and daughter of John
Weare alias Browne, of Calne, Wiltshire." The last sentence in their
potted bio is "Ferdinando Baynton, Gent., was living 4 Nov. 1616."
I don't have a copy of page 70 in PA3, but I handwrote that one of the
sources cited for this couple (I don't know if it was the only source)
is:
**'Genealogist' n.s. 24 (1908): 131.
I have not seen that source either.
None of the above sources are primary - the closest being the 1623
Visitation Baynton pedigree, which has error. Nor were any of the
sources published since 1970, except for the VCH Wiltshire volumes, so
there does not appear to have been any recent research on this line,
and it needs to double-checked.
Nothing in the line as given in PA3 indicates any kind of "high-born"
status for Anne Baynton Batt. She was, apparently, the
great-granddaughter of a M.P. of a respectable Wiltshire gentry family,
though her father, the youngest son of a younger son, worked for a
living in town and apparently held no manors or property outside of it.
Hope this helps.
Cheers, --------Brad
Tony Hoskins
uniquely English character. Try to imagine a parallel in Germany or
France!
Tony
>>> "Brad Verity" <royald...@hotmail.com> 04/27/06 10:06AM >>>
Douglas Richardson
> Like Diana (Skipwith) Dale, Anne (Baynton) Batt was among the highest
> born women to come to colonial America.
The family of Anne (Baynton) Batt was selected by Sir Anthony Wagner in
one of his book to demonstrate social and economic mobility among high
born English families. As I stated earlier, Anne (Baynton) Batt had
many high born relatives among her kinsfolk. She herself was not high
born.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
mj...@btinternet.com
WJho...@aol.com schrieb:
> Jwc...@aol.com writes:
>
> >married women could be Goodwife
>
> Shortened to "Goody", leading some newly-minted genealogists to think this
> was a proper name instead of a title.
Incidentally, there was a woman's Christian name current in 17th
century England which can cause some confusion in this regard, viz
Goodwith - I understand it was essentially a variant spelling of
Judith.
MA-R
Douglas Richardson
Sir Anthony Wagner covered the fascinating topic of social descent in
one or more of his books. Without checking the specific title(s), I
believe the books in question are English Genealogy (1960) and Pedigree
and Progress (1975), both of which are well worth reading. The "social
descent" of the family of Anne (Baynton) Batt is covered by one of
these books.
Wikipedia has a good biography of Sir Anthony Wagner at the following
weblink:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Wagner
As indicated in the above mentioned biography, Sir Anthony always
"stressed the mobility of social life and class in the course of
English history, and in maintaining this view ran contrary to the
opinions of some professional English historians."
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
mj...@btinternet.com
Douglas Richardson schrieb:
> Dear Tony ~
>
> Sir Anthony Wagner covered the fascinating topic of social descent in
> one or more of his books. Without checking the specific title(s), I
> believe the books in question are English Genealogy (1960) and Pedigree
> and Progress (1975), both of which are well worth reading. The "social
> descent" of the family of Anne (Baynton) Batt is covered by one of
> these books.
It is English Genealogy, p 213 and Table II ("King & Innkeeper").
According to Wagner, Ferdinand Baynton was living in 1623; he was the
grandson maternally of Sir William Cavendish (d 1557) and thus
half-nephew of the 1st Earl of Devonshire (d 1626).
MA-R
JDUVALL
believed, at least amongst what, for lack of a better term, one might
call the lesser (provincial) nobility. The following article address
the issue, to some extent: Gayle K. Brunelle's "Dangerous Liaisons:
Mesalliance and Early Modern French Noblewomen," *French Historical
Studies,* vol. 19, no. 1, (Spring 1995): 75-109. For those with access
to academic libraries, it's available in JSTOR. This is certainly the
documented case (albeit the research has not been published in English,
at least not any scholarly fashion) for one of my own Huguenot ancestors
-- both of his grandmothers were members of noble families (one married
a lawyer the other a minister) -- who arrived in Virginia in 1700.
Jeff Duvall
Indy
jef...@iquest.net
jdu...@iupui.edu
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Hoskins [mailto:hos...@sonoma.lib.ca.us]
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 1:21 PM
To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Widow Anne Baynton Batt signs her maiden name
Social descent. This is an excellent case of social fluidity of a
uniquely English character. Try to imagine a parallel in Germany or
France!
Tony
>>> "Brad Verity" <royald...@hotmail.com> 04/27/06 10:06AM >>>
Tony Hoskins
> born women to come to colonial America.
The issue of being "well-born" rather than "high-born" among 17th
century immigrants to America is an interesting one. There are numerous
instances of royally and nobly descended immigrants who gave evidence
(like Anne (Baynton) Batt) of social decline in recent generations.
Off the top of my head, the list "highest-born" immigrants to America
in the 17th century would probably be headed by the Hon. John West (to
Virginia in 1618), 4th son of the 2nd Lord DeLaWarr, and the Hon. George
Percy (to Virginia in 1607), a younger son of the 8th Earl of
Northumberland. John West has numerous descendant in America. George
Percy *currently* is thought to have no descendants. There may be
developments in that arena.
Grace (Chetwode) Bulkeley (to MA in 1635) is also surely one who might
be described as "high-born" - daughter of Sir Richard and Lady Chetwode,
of Odell, Beds and Warkworth, Norhants.
All in all, my opinion - contrary to received (and frankly prejudiced)
"common thought" that American founders were scurrilous guttersnipe -
there was probably never such a high proportion of people in the upper
social echelons emigrating anywhere, at any time, than the English to
America from 1607-1680. Sir Anthony Wagner was one of the very few to
see this fact clearly.
Tony
mj...@btinternet.com
Brad Verity schrieb:
> mj...@btinternet.com wrote:
>
> > It is curious that the "high-class" Ferdinand Baynton should have been
> > an inn-keeper: not a terribly patrician undertaking in the early 17th
> > century. Do you happen to know the source for his having followed such
> > a profession? I have only seen a PROCAT reference which calls him
> > "gentleman, of Salisbury" [E 44/140, dated 17 June 17 James I - i.e.
> > 1619]
>
> Dear Michael,
>
> Per PA3 (pp. 69-70), Ferdinando Baynton, "Gent., of New Salisbury,
> Wiltshire, innholder" was baptized at Bromham, Wiltshire 28 May 1566,
> the third and youngest son of Henry Baynton, Esq., of Temple Rockley
> (in Preshute) and Lavington Baynton (in Market Lavington), Wiltshire,
> and Chelsea, Middlesex, and his wife Anne Cavendish. Henry Baynton
> was, in turn, the fourth of five sons of Sir Edward Baynton, of
> Bromham, M.P. (and the elder son by Sir Edward's 2nd wife Isabel
> Leigh).
Very interesting - many thanks Brad. And thanks too to Douglas, in his
response to Tony, for citing Wagner's work. This is indeed a
fascinating and well-documented case of English social descent of the
kind that Wagner loved to record: his table showing the heirs of Lord
Dudley in the 19th century: one a gamekeeper, another a Duke, within a
couple of generations, is illustrative.
MA-R
Tony Hoskins
always been intrigued by the fact that Anne's father, Ferdinando Baynton
(1566-aft. 1615), gent., innkeeper, was not only a half-nephew of
William Cavendish, 1st Earl of Devonshire but also a half great-nephew
of Queen Katherine Howard (1522-1542), Henry VIII's 5th queen. Pretty
dramatic social "slip-sliding"!
mj...@btinternet.com
John Brandon schrieb:
> >> God, you're a rude bastard John. Try being a bit more stuffy. It might
> >> make you more polite.
> >>
> >> Merilyn Pedrick
>
> At least I'm not a self-righteous Aussie heiffer ... !
>
> "Love ya lots, miss ya bunches ... biyotch"
Interesting. It's rather pathetic to see an adult exhibit such
attention-seeking behaviour on a specialised research forum.
Unfortunately, the lack of judgment it manifests also calls into
question the validity of your research conclusions as well - so your
potentially valuable genealogical contributions should probably be
subjected to an additional level of critical review before acceptance.
Thanks for warning us.
mj...@btinternet.com
"Tony Hoskins" schrieb:
> Illustration of the social fluidity in re: Ann (Baynton) Batt. I have
> always been intrigued by the fact that Anne's father, Ferdinando Baynton
> (1566-aft. 1615), gent., innkeeper, was not only a half-nephew of
> William Cavendish, 1st Earl of Devonshire but also a half great-nephew
> of Queen Katherine Howard (1522-1542), Henry VIII's 5th queen. Pretty
> dramatic social "slip-sliding"!
Just a thought: if, as Brad has pointed out, Baynton inherited a
public-house through his wife, perhaps he merely owned the property and
derived income from it without carrying out a trade himself - this
would not be inconsistent with the grant connected with wine (e.g. many
contemporary noblemen profited from trade grants, monopolies etc);
additionally, the PROCAT reference cited above does refer to him as a
"gentleman".
MA-R
ADRIANC...@aol.com
some I have collected in my _Browne register_, but to-date I have not attempted
to join them up. At a guess the Weare part originated from the town of
Weare in Hertfordshire. Now in the 1st extract below was William the (inn-)
keeper of the "Queen's Seal" or is this referring to a public office rather than
a public house — the later I think.
Adrian
Reference: DD\WHb/667; Recognizance of statute staple bond; Creation dates:
1583; Extent and Form: 1 doc
Scope and Content
From William Button, of Alton for the payment of £2000 to his son William
Button, made before William Weare al. Browne major of New Sarum, [ac:
Salisbury] keeper of the greater piece of the Queens seal and Giles Estcourte, clerk
to the Queen and keeper of the smaller piece of the same seal for
recognizances of debts within the same city.
Dated, 6 Dec. 26 Eliz. [1583].
Fine impression of the above seal with privy seal on reverse, and another
small seal.
PRO; A2A; Somerset Archive and Record Service_ Walker-Heneage and Button
family and estate papers, Coker Court, East Coker [DD_WHb_1 - DD_WHb_1322].
Reference: DD\WHb/823-824; Lease and counterpart for lives; Creation dates:
1577; Extent and Form: 1 doc.
Scope and Content
By William Button, of Alton, esq. to John Weare al. Browne of Calne yeoman,
of a tenement late in the tenure of John Love, in Calne, with 4½ acres of
arable land in Stocke-feild; rent 18sh.
Dated, 11 Jan. 19 Eliz. [1577].
PRO; A2A; Somerset Archive and Record Service_ Walker-Heneage and Button
family and estate papers, Coker Court, East Coker [DD_WHb_1 - DD_WHb_1322].
Reference: 335/92; Creation dates: 1600
Scope and Content
Deed relating to 'three several fields or grounds of arable and pasture as
they are now enclosed...called... Over Fields and The Croft', part of Cancourt
Farm in Lydiard Tregoze.
Parties: Weare alias Browne, Spencer.
[W.A.S. Ms. No.106, printed W.A.M., xxxvi, 215-216].
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Miscellaneous Estate Records
b.
Reference: 9/20/75; Creation dates: 1 June 1604
Scope and Content
Bargain and sale (1) Richard Weare alias Browne of Denford, Berks., gent.,
(2) Robert Mursley of Bristol, yeoman.
Capital messuage called Polton farm and watergrist mill belonging to it in
Mildenhall; lands and tenements belonging to the farm and mill.
Consideration, 40s. Enrolled in Chancery 24 June 1604.
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Savernake Estate [9_19_1 -
9_24_478].
Reference: 9/20/76; Creation dates: 24 January 1606
Scope and Content
Quitclaim (1) Thomas Weare alias Browne of Marlborough, gent., (2) Richard
Weare alias Browne of Denford, Berks., gent.
Rights and claims to capital messuage called Great Polton farm and
watergrist mill belonging, in Mildenhall, reserving to (1) the Woade Close (arable)
and a close of meadow on south side of the river near Great Polton.
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Savernake Estate [9_19_1 -
9_24_478].
Reference: 9/2/281; Creation dates: 18 June 1610
Scope and Content
(2) Richard Weare alias Browne of Denford, Berks., gent. Closes of meadow
called one of the Bay Meads (7a.) and Bayhed (1½a.)
Fine, £16. Rent, 43a.
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Savernake Estate [9_1_1 -
9_5_76].
Reference: PR/Broad Hinton St Peter ad Vincula/829/14; Bargain and sale of a
messuage and lands (described) in Uffcott, formerly belonging to the Dean
and Chapter of Salisbury and by them leased to Richard Weare alias Browne. With
four accompanying descriptive letters, 1866, 1880, 1887.; Creation dates:
1650, 19th cent
Scope and Content
Parties: Trustees for the sale of possessions of deans and chapters; Weare
alias Browne.
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ St Peter ad Vincula Parish,
Broad Hinton.
Reference: 212B/3857; Creation dates: 1586 Sept. 9
Scope and Content
(1) Weare, John (alias Browne), yeoman of Cancourtes, par. Liddiard
Treygoose; and Weare, Thomas (alias Browne), son of John
(2) Diston, Anthony, fishmonger, of Marlborough.
Feoffment of 3 parcels of land, called the "Overfields" and the "Crofte".
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Wiltshire Deeds [212B_3715 -
212B_5647].
Reference: D1677/GG/448; Creation dates: (1565);
Scope and Content
6 Nov., 7 Eliz
Certificate by ROBERT WEARE als BROWNE the 6th time Maior of the Borough of
Marleborough, co. Wilts., gent., that the men whose names were underwritten
and their seals set came before him at the Guildhall of Marlborogh witnessing
that Robert Maylybrok late of Marleborough, co. Wilts., wax channdeler decd.,
son of Thos. Mallbrok of Marlebrough, wax chandeler, did give and grant and
by his deed dated 4 Nov., 37 Hen. VIII confirmed to Morys Williams of
Stanton, co. Glouc:, yeoman, all that his 3 acres of land in the parish of Stanton,
one acre thereof lying in the field called the Morewallfelde. .. . the
highway; one acre thereof lying in the feld called the Heymerefeld called
Wilmottesdaysherth and one acre lying in the felde called Shobley felde
And also that he the said Maior knew the said Robert Mallybrok to be the son
of Thomas Mallibrok of the Borough of Marllborough, waxw channdler decd.,
and so dyd manye of the borough of Marlebrough who are yett lyving that do
witness and affirm the same.
Signature, Robert Weare als Browne, Maior, and seal of office. Marks and
seals of :- John Rone, Umpherye Martyn, Richard Knight, Myles Daye, Robt.
Tappinge, John Brooke, John Pinchesse.
SEALS: ON TAGS, BROWN WAX; (1) CIRCULAR, HEAD OF FLOWER OF FIVE PETALS; (2)
OVAL, TWO INITIALS, INDECIPHERABLE; (3) OVAL, INITIALS K H; (4) CIRCULAR,
BADLY IMPRESSED, A FIGURE ROBED AND SEATED, (SEAL OF OFFICE OF MAYOR OF
MARLBOROUGH); (5) CIRCULAR, INITIALS - S; (6) OVAL, INITIALS W R; (7) MISSING; (8)
BADLY IMPRESSED AND UNIDENTIFIABLE.
PRO; A2A; Gloucestershire Record Office_ Deeds, Estate and Family Records of
the Hall and Gage [D1677_GG_1133 - D1677_GMo_90].
Reference: 9/20/74; Creation dates: 25 March 1557
Scope and Content
Feoffment (1) Thomas Bushe of London, gent., son and heir of William Bushe
of 'Beryblonsdon' (Burytown Farm in Blunsdon) gent., (2) Robert Weare alias
Browne of Marlborough, gent.
The manor of Poulton or Great Poulton, in Mildenhall.
(1) appoints William Daniell and Robert Halle his attorneys to deliver
seisin to (2).
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Savernake Estate [9_19_1 -
9_24_478].
Browne, Thomas, of Wilts, gent. MAGDALEN HALL, matric. 21 Jan., 1619-20,
aged 17; student of the Middle Temple 1623, as son and heir of Thomas, of
Marlborough, Wilts, gent. See Foster’s Inns of Court Reg.
Alumni Oxonienses – The Members of the University of Oxford, 1500-1714 by
Joseph Foster, CD Copy; page 197.
[ac: Who is perhaos]
Reference: 211/17/1-5; Creation dates: 1623
Scope and Content
General livery of seisin of site of the Priory of the White Friars in
Marlborough. Thomas Weare alias Browne.
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Aldbourne Enclosure Papers.
Reference: 9/19/112; Creation dates: 20 December 1596
Scope and Content
Marriage settlement (1) Thomas Weare alias Browne of Marlborough, gent., (2)
John Godwyn of Grove, Mildenhall, yeoman, and Thomas Maylen of Marlborough,
yeoman.
Mansion house called Fryers with curtilage and garden, on south side of High
Street, St. Peter's, Marlborough; four tenements in the Bailyward on north
side of St. Peter's church, tenement called the Gatehouse on north side of
High Street, a corner tenement in Kingsbury St., tenement near the Highe Crosse
adjoining graveyard of St. Mary's church, three tenements next to west side of
cemetery in the Kingsbury Ward, stable on south side of Silverless St.,
tenement next to stable, tenement on north side of Silverless St., in
Marlborough, two tenements on east side of Kingsbury St., tenement on northern side of
Oxford Street, tenement in Herd Street, tenements and gardens in Blowhorn
Street, St. Mary's, tenements and gardens in Newlands Street (alias St.
Martin's), shop or stall called the Shambles in the Butcher Rowe, High Street, Dymers
Close in St. Peter's, meadow on east side of Kingsbury Street, meadow on east
side of Heard Street, meadow in Elcot, Preshute, meadow near Preshute Bridge.
To (2) for ever, to use of (1) and Anne, his wife, and their male heirs.
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Savernake Estate [9_19_1 -
9_24_478].
Reference: 9/19/747; Creation dates: 20 September 1651
Scope and Content
(1) Robert Weare alias Browne, the elder, of Marlborough, gent., and Robert
Weare alias Browne, the younger, gent., his son, (2) Andrew Clarke of
Marlborough, wheeler.
Tenement, backside, and garden on the south side of the Ballyward (160 ft.
in length, 23 ft. in breadth).
Rent £2.10s.
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Savernake Estate [9_19_1 -
9_24_478].
Reference: CC/Chancellorship/9; Former Reference: C.C. 67457; Creation
dates: 1661
Scope and Content
Lease of half of two tenements, a cottage and five yardlands, all in Uffcott.
Parties: Chancellor, Weare alias Browne.
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Church Commissioners.
Reference: 473/100; Creation dates: 1574
Scope and Content
Deed relating to property in Calne.
Parties: Blake, Symons, Wear als. Brown.
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Goldney Family.
Reference: 473/228; Creation dates: 1545-1560
Scope and Content
Eighteen deeds relating to property in Stanley (including the abbey), to
property in Bremhill, Calne, Chippenham, Chittoe, Lacock, Pewsham (Loxwell Farm)
and Rowde.
With (i) receipt, Thos. Pope, Treasurer of Augmentations, £80, in part
payment of 600 marks, 22 Feb. 1539, (ii) deed (1546), exchange of property, Andrew
Baynton and Thomas Seymour.
Parties: Alleyn, Arrundell, Barrett, Baynton, Buryman, Daniell, Norborne,
Seymour, Snell, Sharrington, Were als. Browne, Wilcocks.
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Goldney Family.
Reference: 473/242; Creation dates: 1578-1601
Scope and Content
Twelve deeds relating to property in the manor of Stanley, including the
mansion house of the abbey, and in Chippenham, Lacock, Bremhill and Heddington.
With (i) grant of goods, chattels, etc. of Andrew Baynton to his son Henry
Baynton, by Sir Edward Baynton, 1591, (ii) memorandum relating to the
execution of livery and seisin in property in Stanley, 1596, (iii) letters issued
from the Court of Arches confirming that Philippa Breylewte, from whom Andrew
Baynton sought a separation, had been already married, 1597, (iv)
administrations issued by the court of the Archdeacon of Wilts and the Prerogative Court
of Canterbury, relating to the unadministered goods of Andrew Baynton, 1600,
1601.
Parties: Austie (Anstie or Anstee), Baynton, Browne, Cheevers, Cooke,
Crooke, Hancock, Lambert, Longe, Mylles, Seger als. Parsons, Weare (Were) als.
Browne, Webbe.
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Goldney Family.
Reference: 492/143; Creation dates: 1555
Scope and Content
Deed relating to property in the manor of Stanley.
Parties: Baynton, Weare alias Browne.
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Miscellaneous Deeds and
Estate Papers.
Reference: 9/20/77; Creation dates: 12 November 1608
Scope and Content
Marriage settlement (1) Richard Weare alias Browne of Denford, Berks.,
gent., (2) Thomas Orpwood of Abingdon, Berks., gent., Roger Garrard of Lambourn,
Berks., gent., and Thomas Sclatter, the elder, of Marlborough, yeoman.
Great Poulton Farm and Poulton Mill in Mildenhall. Moiety settled on (1),
Anne, his wife and heirs, other moiety on (2) to use of (1) etc. Proviso for
defeasance on payment of 12d. to (2). Receipt for such a payment to Roger
Garrard, 29 September 1614, enclosed.
PRO; A2A; Wiltshire and Swindon Record Office_ Savernake Estate [9_19_1 -
9_24_478].
In a message dated 27/04/2006 18:08:58 GMT Standard Time,
royald...@hotmail.com writes:
mj...@btinternet.com wrote:
> It is curious that the "high-class" Ferdinand Baynton should have been
> an inn-keeper: not a terribly patrician undertaking in the early 17th
> century. Do you happen to know the source for his having followed such
> a profession? I have only seen a PROCAT reference which calls him
> "gentleman, of Salisbury" [E 44/140, dated 17 June 17 James I - i.e.
> 1619]
>>>>
Brad replied
Dear Michael,
Per PA3 (pp. 69-70), Ferdinando Baynton, "Gent., of New Salisbury,
Wiltshire, innholder" was baptized at Bromham, Wiltshire 28 May 1566,
the third and youngest son of Henry Baynton, Esq., of Temple Rockley
(in Preshute) and Lavington Baynton (in Market Lavington), Wiltshire,
and Chelsea, Middlesex, and his wife Anne Cavendish. Henry Baynton
was, in turn, the fourth of five sons of Sir Edward Baynton, of
Bromham, M.P. (and the elder son by Sir Edward's 2nd wife Isabel
Leigh).
No death dates are provided for Henry Baynton and Anne Cavendish - the
mj...@btinternet.com
John Brandon schrieb:
> I do not make my postings for your benefit, and would prefer that not
> read them at all. Like Leo, why don't you just killfile me and be done
> with it?
Because, when you are not being a child, many of your posts are
relevant and interesting. I don't understand your peculiar need to be
a clown and embarrass yourself, and am sorry you persist in insulting
other intelligent, constructive posters for no reason, but that
behaviour is too pathetic to be irritating, so I have no interest in
kill-filing you. I just wish you'd display the maturity that the rest
of the regular posters can muster, and stick to the mediaeval genealogy
for which you have a flair.
Regards, Michael
Tony Hoskins
derived income from it without carrying out a trade himself"
An interesting point. Actually, in my experience it is not unheard of
for an innkeeper to be a "gentleman". Ancestors of mine, Gervase
Umfreville (c.1570-bef 1634) and his wife (later widow) Katherine
(Digby) Umfreville (c.1575-aft 1641) were, innkeepers at Ewell, Surrey.
They were a couple clearly, like Ferdinando Baynton, on the cusp of
gentry.
mj...@btinternet.com
"Tony Hoskins" schrieb:
> "perhaps he [Ferdinando Baynton] merely owned the property and
> derived income from it without carrying out a trade himself"
>
> An interesting point. Actually, in my experience it is not unheard of
> for an innkeeper to be a "gentleman". Ancestors of mine, Gervase
> Umfreville (c.1570-bef 1634) and his wife (later widow) Katherine
> (Digby) Umfreville (c.1575-aft 1641) were, innkeepers at Ewell, Surrey.
> They were a couple clearly, like Ferdinando Baynton, on the cusp of
> gentry.
Nice analogy. Another one, a little later than the timeframe in
question: John Bishop (died 1728) succeeded his father as landlord of
the Red Lion inn at Basingstoke, Hants; he owned a long lease on the
property but also appears to have run the place himself. However, his
successor was his youngest son Andrew, who presumably felt he had moved
up on the social ladder thanks to various additions to the family's
real property portfolio. He was consistently styled "gentleman" prior
to his death in 1775, by which time it seems the inn was tenanted. His
heirs were accepted as members of the landed classes - a good example
of British class mobility.
MA-R
mj...@btinternet.com
John Brandon schrieb:
> > Because, when you are not being a child, many of your posts are
> > relevant and interesting.
>
> Ugh ... distasteful ... more "faint praise" and patronization from
> MAR....
Never mind, someone will no doubt fetch your dummy back for you again
if you cry long enough.
Douglas Richardson
Thanks for providing the reference. Much appreciated.
I have this cited in Plantagenet Ancestry under Ferdinando Baynton's
father, Henry Baynton, Esquire, as:
Wagner, English Genealogy (1960): 182-183, Table II at end.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www. royalancestry. net
Douglas Richardson
Merilyn Pedrick
I know how heavy they must be, but why don't you removed all those chips
from both your shoulders and get on with doing what you're good at -
medieval genealogy.
With a big friendly moooo.
Merilyn
-------Original Message-------
From: John Brandon
Date: 04/28/06 06:25:07
To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Widow Anne Baynton Batt signs her maiden name