Irish L'Estrange families to 1650
Barrie J M Wright
and other sources don't give a consistent or clear picture.
Here's what I have.
Is anyone in possession of more on these?
There could be several Irish lines confused here,
as well as some likely inbreeding.
English lines
/John L'Estrange d: 1436 =>
/Roger L'Estrange
| \Alice Beaumont =>
/Henry L'Estrange d: 25 Nov 1485
| \Jane Bebe
/Robert L'Estrange d: 1512
| |
| | /Roger Drury
| \Katherine Drury
/Thomas L'Estrange b: 1494 d: 16 Jan 1545
| /Thomas L'Estrange
\Anne L'Estrange
L'Estrange 'of Keoltown County Westmeath'
RICHARD Le Strange the second son of
Sir Thomas Le Strange of Hunstanton by Ann his wife,
daughter of Lord Vaux of Harrowden settled in Ireland
about the year 1540.
He selected Keoltown in the county Westmeath, one of
his father's Irish estates, to reside in.
This
RICHARD L'Estrange b bef 1520 m. Anne ASTLEY
[Anne known by me only two generations back. More anyone?]
2. Thomas L'Estrange [aka FitzRichard?] m. Elizabeth ____
3. Thomas L'Estrange b abt 1585 of Maystown, Co Kings
[OR first of CastleStrange in Co Roscommon??] m. ?
4. Elizabeth? L'Estrange b. abt 1611 of Maystown,
dau of Thomas L'Estrange of Maystown, Co Kings
[4 sons, 2 MPs]
m. John WARBURTON b abt 1612 who came to Dublin, Ireland
in 1635 from Cheshire.
5. George Warburton MP. b abt 1640 m. Anne L'Estrange
of Moystown, Irl, dau of Hamon L'Estrange??
This line is shaky and should not be assumed.
It is a guesstimate based on several published and online sources
Can anyone help me settle it down and show linkages??
Barrie Wright
Adelaide
South Australia
Sutliff
The l'Estranges of Castle Strange, Roscommon are covered in Burke's Irish
Family Records pp. 722-4. With the usual caveats for Burke's in mind, I
would add the following for you:
Anne Astley, given below is suggested to be daughter of John Astley of
Hill-Morton and Melton Constable, Norfolk and aunt of 1st Baron Astley.
The next generation of Richard married to Elizabeth ______ is also given,
but not the subsequent generations that you show. The heir was Hamon (who
may have been Richard's brother rather than his son and if so, would be
problematic for your construction) who married Dorothy (m 2ndly Capt.
Richard St. George of Athlone (d. 24 Apr 1667), 4th daughter of Sir John
Moore of Croghan, by his wife Dorothy, 5th daughter of Rev. Adam Loftus,
Archbishop of Dublin and Lord High Chancellor of Ireland by his wife Jane
Purdon. Hamon was succeed by a son George who was succeeded by his son
Thomas.
I just viewed the St. George pedigrees (Privately printed manuscript,
microfilmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1985 (film number 1426027,
item 16) drawn up by Sir Thomas St. George and the Moore and l'Estrange
links are given there as well. If you are able to make a Loftus connection,
Adam Loftus (22 Jun 1533 of Swineshead, Yorks-5 Apr 1605) and his wife Jane
Purdon of Lurgan Race, Louth (d. 21 Jul. 1595) were a fascinating couple.
They were parents of 20 children, at least 14 of whom appear to have lived
to adulthood. Their daughters married into very distinguished families
including Colley, Ussher, Blount, Blayney, Warren, Colclough and Moore.
You have both Maystown and Moystown listed. The latter is correct and is in
Offaly which was previously called King's as you show.
I am sorry that I have not researched the Hunstanton Stranges to help you
with that reconstruction.
Hope this is of some help.
Henry Sutliff
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Barrie J M Wright
Thank you for your info. There are obviously several Irish L'Estrange
linkages to my line that goes through John Warburton, and on to his
son George b abt 1640 [md an Anne L'Estrange].
The problem with Hamon L'Estrange below being a brother, not son,
to Richard would seem to be that H's wife
Dorothea Moore was probably born abt 1590 if her mother
Dorothy Loftus was born about 1570 as several sources give
[Her parents md 1560 and she was the 5th dau. so dob say 1570 looks
reasonable]
If she married the Hamon I have, who d. 7 Mar 1637, his dob would
also be abt 1570-80, some 40+ years after his supposed brother
Richard's possible dob. So he is more likely his son...?
I realise there is a possible conflict with Dorothea Moore's dob here
if she's the 4th dau, so likely to have been born to a mother of >25.
Hard to resolve by such estimating, of course.
The L'Estrange website gives a son Thomas L'Estrange
[abt 1608-1655] to Hamon and Dorothea in two separate constructions
from written sources.
This seems to confirm that Dorothea was bef 1590.
I will pursue this, but documentation may be lacking to sort it out.
Meanwhile..
You are right -- I do have a possible link to the Loftuses as well:
The IGI has a Miss WARREN of Grangebegg who m.
Rev George WARBURTON of Parsonstown,
son of
George WARBURTON [abt 1640-1709] MP. Of Aughrim,
Co Galway and Firmount. MP for Gowran, Post MG 1702.
Source: 'Memoir of the Warburton Family of Garryhinch,
Kings Co., Dublin, 1848, 2nd ed. 1881'.
Is this Miss Warren in the IGI line of Henry WARREN b 1597 of
Grangebegg, Kildare, Ireland, who m Elizabeth EUSTACE
[aka WARBURTON?].?
Is this family in turn linked to Henry WARREN, Kt. 'of Rathfarnham,
Dublin' [and Bally Brett Ireland?], b 1577 who married Alice LOFTUS
dau of the Archbishop Adam Loftus? This Henry may have been
married in Rathfarnham, that is, near his wife's residence.
The co-incidence of names, titles and places suggests that these
families are related, but I wonder how more can be determined.
Do you have any more on the Henry WARREN, Kt. line forward?
As you say, he seems a prominent figure, marrying into
a prominent Irish clerical family.
I realise that this is verging off-topic on dates.
Barrie Wright
Adelaide
South Australia
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Sutliff
I have some films on the Loftus and Ussher families on order from the FHL,
so they may illuminate some of this further. Alice Loftus married to Sir
Henry Warren of Warrenstown, Offaly which may be the same as you show, but I
have not examined that family as yet.
I included the caveat about Hamon's being a brother of Thomas as one of the
sources stated just that. There is no question that Dorothy Moore was born
after 1590 as her second husband Richard St. George was born 27 March 1590
and they had a daughter Martha born 1644 (which suggests a probable
birthdate for Dorothy after 1600). However, this does not preclude Hamon
from being much older than Dorothy. I am loathe to make any judgment on this
without better sources.
The IGI and AF sources trouble me as I have found multiple parents for some
of these as well as one of the George Warburtons married to a William
Carden! They are just not reliable enough for any value to resolve this.
HOP [1558] II:463 has a biography of Richard l'Estrange of Hunstanton and
King's Lynn, Norfolk and later Kilkenny, Ireland. It connects him as son of
Sir Thomas l'Estrange and his wife Anne Vaux. I would note that Richard's
wife is given as Dorothy Astley (not Anne as shown in Burke's and RD500).
The Astley link to the baronial Astley family is not given, nor are any
children identified other than one son (presumably Thomas). It does make the
following statement "No later information has been found about him. His
descendants afterwards settled at Castle Strange, co. Roscommon, and bought
Moystown in King's County." It goes without saying that better documentation
is needed for all of this, however I must admit that I was surprised to see
Burke's Commoners used as a source in this biography in HOP.
Hope this helps.
Henry
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