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CP Correction: Agnes, 2nd wife of Edmund Butler (le Botiller)

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Dec 12, 2004, 2:58:42 PM12/12/04
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Dear Rosie, et al.,

I posted earlier today re: certain fines relating to the
Butler (le Botiller) and de Sutton families, which post did not
deal well with a more crucial matter at hand. My apologies to
Rosie and all for the use of porcine digits in the matter.
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The account in CP concerning Edmund le Botiller, or Butler of
Thurles, Governor and Justiciar of Ireland (d. 13 Sept 1321)
states the following concerning his marital affairs:

' He m., 1302, Joan, da. of John (Fitz Thomas Fitz Gerald),
1st Earl of Kildare [I.], by Blanche, da. of John Roche, of
Fermoy. He d. ....... ' [1]

There is no reference to any other marriage on the part of
Edmund. Rosie Bevan has kindly shared the following fine which
evidences that Edmund in fact had a second wife Agnes, by whom he
had at least one son John Butler or le Botiller:

"66. York. Quindene of St John Baptist, 8 Edw III 1334. Month
of Michaelmas, 8 Edw. III, 1334.
Agnes widow of Edmund le Botiller, quer., Thomas de
Everingham, parson of the church of Birkyn, and Thomas Viker
of Brampton, def. of the manor of Skelbrok, and of 5 acres of
land and 8 acres of meadow in Burghwalays and Skelale:
To hold to Agnes and the heirs of her body; remainder to John
son of Edmund le Botiller and Joan his wife and the heirs of
their bodies; remainder to the right heirs of John." [2]

The identity of Agnes, 2nd wife of Edmund le Botiller, still
requires further study. Of the greatest possible genealogical
significance, however, is the passage of Skelbrook or Skelbrooke,
co. Yorks. to John le Botiller and his descendants. There is the
possibility that the descent of this tenure may lead to resolving
other unknown relationships, including the ancestry of Katherine
de la Haye, coheir of Thomas de la Haye of Spaldington: her
purparty included Fenwick and Skelbrooke [3].

All credit and my thanks to Rosie for having brought this
fine to my attention; likewise, any advance in tracing the
ancestry of subsequent tenants of Skelbrooke is due to Rosie.

Cheers,

John


NOTE

[1] CP II:450, sub Butler.

[2] W. Pailey Baildon (ed.), Feet of Fines for the County of York
from 1327-1347 (Leeds: Yorkshire Archaeological Society, 1910)
p.74]

[3] Poulson, History of the Seigniory of Holderness II:466].

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