MORGAN of Llantarnam
REP
Morgan is Sir James Morgan b 1600 4th Baronet of Llantarnam married to
Lady Alice Hopton. Hs son, Edward, emigrated to America in 1683, and
from there on I think I have them. I have no idea where to look for
more information about Sir James Morgan, or even what a 4th Baronet is.
I do know they were Society of Friends, which probably explains why his
son left for the colonies.
Where would be a good place to start looking for James Morgan's parents
ad grandparents?
Any information appreciated.
ADRIANC...@aol.com
writes:
Bart. or Baronet, an hereditary title first introduced in 1611 to raise cash
for the crown, I think originally for the Irish plantations. The title is
not categorised as a peer as it does not entitle the holder to a seat (ie
vote) in the House of Lords.
Sir Edward Morgan, created bart, Morgan of Llanternam, Monmouthshire on 12
May 1642; m Mary d of Sir Francis Englefield bart., of Wotton Basset,
Wiltshire.
Sir Edward, 2nd bart.; son and heir; m Frances d of Thomas Morgan esq., of
Mangham.
Sir Edward, 3rd bart.; son and heir; m Mary d and coheir of Humphrey
Baskerville esq., of Pentryllos, Herefordshire (who re-m John Grubham Howe,
esq. father of lord Chedworth,) but died without male issue 1682.
Sir James, 4th bart., uncle and heir, is said to have succeeded to the title,
which before 1727 became extinct.
As the title become extinct, there are no (known) legitimate male issue of
the last bart., nor any legitimate male lines from any of the barts and who
were living in 1727.
This is from William Courthope's Synopsis of the Extinct Baronetage. It
would be a good idea to check that these details agree to other published
Baronetage, which may have more information.
Adrian
Dolly Ziegler
familiar with the experts' sources and want to see what has already been
published on the Internet, is www.google.com
A search for Llantarnam Morgan brings up quite a number of
hits. You'll want to pick out the family references from the sports
scores! Cheers, Dolly in Maryland USA
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Richard C. Browning, Jr.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ADRIANC...@aol.com [mailto:ADRIANC...@aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 09:30
> To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: MORGAN of Llantarnam
>
> In a message dated 01/02/03 12:46:53 GMT Standard Time, r...@inanna.com
> writes:
>
>
> >
> > I am researching my MORGAN line in Llantarnam, Wales. My earliest
known
> > Morgan is Sir James Morgan b 1600 4th Baronet of Llantarnam married
to
> > Lady Alice Hopton. Hs son, Edward, emigrated to America in 1683, and
> > from there on I think I have them. I have no idea where to look for
> > more information about Sir James Morgan, or even what a 4th Baronet
is.
> > I do know they were Society of Friends, which probably explains why
his
> > son left for the colonies.
> >
> > Where would be a good place to start looking for James Morgan's
parents
> > ad grandparents?
> >
> > Any information appreciated.
<snip>
> Sir James, 4th bart., uncle and heir, is said to have succeeded to the
> title,
> which before 1727 became extinct.
>
> As the title become extinct, there are no (known) legitimate male
issue of
> the last bart., nor any legitimate male lines from any of the barts
and
> who
> were living in 1727.
>
<Snip>
> Adrian
My question to this is, if an only heir (son) emigrates leaving no one
to take over the bart. does it become extinct or is there a term dormant
that would be used?
Richard C. Browning, Jr.
Grand Prairie, TX
William Addams Reitwiesner
<snip>
>My question to this is, if an only heir (son) emigrates leaving no one
>to take over the bart. does it become extinct or is there a term dormant
>that would be used?
Dormant. See, for example, the Wyvill Baronetcy after the death of the 7th
Baronet in 1774. The next heir was living in Anne Arundel County,
Maryland, and never tried to assume the Baronetcy, which as a result fell
dormant and remains so to this day. There are still a good number of
Wyvills inliving in Maryland, but none of them have tried to claim the
title. See *The Complete Baronetage*, by GEC, vol. I [1900], pp. 103-105
for details.
William Addams Reitwiesner
wr...@erols.com
Stewart Baldwin
The immediate ancestry of Sir James Morgan has already been posted in
this thread. His immediate ancestry is well documented. The problem
is that Sir James Morgan, who married in 1695, was quite certainly NOT
the father of the immigrant Edward Morgan (maternal grandfather of the
famous Daniel Boone), who was already an adult in the 1680's. Details
of the disproof of Edward Morgan's parentage, plus an account of the
first three generations of Edward Morgan's descendants, with detailed
documentation, appeared in my recent long article on the Morgan's,
which was serialized in four parts in the four most recent issues of
"The Genealogist" (Spring 2001 through Fall 2002 issues).
Stewart Baldwin
Richard C. Browning, Jr.
Richard C. Browning, Jr.
Grand Prairie, TX
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Addams Reitwiesner
[mailto:reitw...@stop.mail-abuse.org]
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 16:06
> To: GEN-MED...@rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: MORGAN of Llantarnam
>
12-stringer
"Stewart Baldwin" <sba...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3e3c39be....@news.mindspring.com...
> The immediate ancestry of Sir James Morgan has already been posted in
> this thread. His immediate ancestry is well documented. The problem
> is that Sir James Morgan, who married in 1695, was quite certainly NOT
> the father of the immigrant Edward Morgan (maternal grandfather of the
> famous Daniel Boone), who was already an adult in the 1680's. Details
> of the disproof of Edward Morgan's parentage, plus an account of the
> first three generations of Edward Morgan's descendants, with detailed
> documentation, appeared in my recent long article on the Morgan's,
> which was serialized in four parts in the four most recent issues of
> "The Genealogist" (Spring 2001 through Fall 2002 issues).
>
> Stewart Baldwin
>
May I ask (not having seen your article) if you discern a connection between
the family of this Edward Morgan and those of either Morgan Morgan
(1688-1762) of New Castle Co, DE, later of Frederick Co, VA, or Daniel
Morgan (c1736-1799, son of a still-unidentified father, so far as I am
aware) of Frederick Co?
It has been asserted on more than one occasion (by the descendants of Morgan
Morgan) that there is a close relationship between these families. I'm not
personally related to any of them and am highly skeptical that any is
related to any of the others.
Thanks, and best wishes,
Rick Toothman
r.too...@worldnet.att.net
Stewart Baldwin
wrote:
>May I ask (not having seen your article) if you discern a connection between
>the family of this Edward Morgan and those of either Morgan Morgan
>(1688-1762) of New Castle Co, DE, later of Frederick Co, VA, or Daniel
>Morgan (c1736-1799, son of a still-unidentified father, so far as I am
>aware) of Frederick Co?
>
>It has been asserted on more than one occasion (by the descendants of Morgan
>Morgan) that there is a close relationship between these families. I'm not
>personally related to any of them and am highly skeptical that any is
>related to any of the others.
There is no known relationship between the families of Morgan Morgan
of VA and Edward Morgan, but Edward did have a son named Morgan
Morgan, who has been falsely identified with the VA man.
The case of Daniel Morgan is more complicated, and I would call the
case of a possible relationship to Edward Morgan inconclusive. This
is discussed in my article, but I should avoid a detailed discussion
here, since we are already off-topic for a medieval group.
Stewart Baldwin
Rick Eaton
Rohesia de Verdon b Alton, Staffordshire.
She married Theobald le Botiler I, b. c.1160 in West
Dereham, Norfolk, d. c.1206
Rick Eaton
Voice: 203.453.6261 Fax:203.453.0076
12-stringer
>
> There is no known relationship between the families of Morgan Morgan
> of VA and Edward Morgan, but Edward did have a son named Morgan
> Morgan, who has been falsely identified with the VA man.
>
> The case of Daniel Morgan is more complicated, and I would call the
> case of a possible relationship to Edward Morgan inconclusive. This
> is discussed in my article, but I should avoid a detailed discussion
> here, since we are already off-topic for a medieval group.
>
> Stewart Baldwin
>
literally thousands of descendants of Col Morgan Morgan here in northern WV,
and this topic comes up from time to time.
Best,
RT
David Paul Meyer
Nicholas (AR7 149:28) and Clemence, daughter of Philip le Botiller (as has been previously discussed here).
Yours truly,
David
Rick Eaton
Rohesia (or Rohese) had been discussed here previously.
Rick Eaton
Voice: 203.453.6261 Fax:203.453.0076
> Nicholas (AR7 149:28) and Clemence, daughter of Philip le Botiller