Montmorency
Annie Natalelli-Waloszek
Finally got around to transcribing the early "proofs" of genealogical presence of the
french Montmorencys; I haven't translated the latin & french, leaving each to his own expertise, to avoid being trounced on -- if
the french is puzzling, use babelfish at http://babelfish.altavista.com ;
the translations will need some fiddling with, but you'll get the gist & get into the habit of translating
For those who were studying the line; as opposed to the other lines I've seen for the line on the list, however, the french
genealogies for them start with the same Bouchard I b 980, no mention is made of any english origins for him -- he begins life
here as the Seigneur de Bray-sur-Seine, & married to the same Hildegarde as the english lines; I would conclude that the family
had an early presence on both sides of the Manche, & each country records him as theirs...
I would be most interested in knowing what documentation is given for his father being an Alberic, as stated in a previous post on
the list... he has a son & a grandson by that name, but they are not numbered ordinals, as they did not inherit, as I would expect
them to do if named after their father...
or was Bouchard a collateral line? If so, what's the main line from Alberic, if anybody knows...?
Interesting to note that they were simply trying to establish the presence of the name as far back as possible, but could not
apparently establish lines and relationships, using the signing of Abbey Charters as we might use Census & tax rolls for those who
were among the taxees, rather than the taxers...
Hope this makes someone's day,
Annie
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Preuves de l'Histoire de la Maison de Montmorency 1736
par André de Chesne, geographe du roy
(Variants: Monsmorencius, Montismorenti, Montismorencii, Montem-morencium, Monte-mmortiaci, Montemorenciaco, Montismorenciaci,
Mairmontier, Marleio, Marliaco)
845 Charte Inserée au Chartulaire de l'Abbaye de St Denys en France avec cette inscription:
Ne quis dominum indicis ordinarij posterner idiamo tempore ex occasione secreti ingredi familiariter affectet eiusdem din texat
Provinceiae sirue notas indici, siue etiam ignotus gestet tamen honoris auctoritatum praeferens. data V. Kal Aug. MORANTIACO
Gratiano Augusto IIII & Merobande coss.
Praeceptum Karoli Calvi Regis de Maureniaco alias confirmatio Karoli calvi Regis Super donatione Levthonis in pago carulia cense
sluuium Isere in villa nuncupata MAVRICIAGICURTE.
845 In Nomiiné Sanctae & individua Trinitata amen. Karolus gratia Dei Rex. Cirmea quii fidelibus nostris munificentia
liberalitatis nostre largimum, quae etiam ipsi ob amorem Dei Sanctorum reverentiae & Seruorum Christi utilitatibus tradere
procurcant, nostre auctoritatis Praecepto secundum eorum petitionem ad denotionem ipsorum confirmare satagimus, Christianorum
Regnum consuetudinen exercemus.
Proinde nouerit omniam fidelium Dei ae nostrorum, praefentium scilicet & futuro nom industria, quia levtho fidelis noster
celisitudinis nostrae adiens ecellentiam, petyt ut res quas ei largibatis nostrae benignitete per nostra auctoritatis Praceptum
in... etc.
Signum Karoli gloriosisimi Regis
1310 Du temps de Phillipe le Bel: Monmorency premier chretien que Roy en France, 1er Baron de France, 1er Seigneur de Montmorency
que Roy de France.
Sur son Tymbre, porte 1 paon qui fact la roue . Son Cry est "Dieu Ayde au 1er Chrestien" son mot est Aplanos (greek letters) d'un
ancien "Lieure"(Livre) d'armoires appartenant à Hector le Breton, sieur de la Poinneterie, Roy d'Armes de France:
"Le Sire de Montmorency porte d'or à la coris de gueulles à sieze aiglettes azure, Messire Evrart de Montmorency porte de
Montmorency un franc quartier d'argent à 1 estoile de sable de cinq raiz.
Mesire Mahiv de Marli: d'or à la croix de guelles & quatre aigles d'azur
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D'un autre liuer: L'Histoire de Jean de Ceintré, Chambellan de Roy Jean, escrite par Antoine de la Sale, & dédié à Jean d'Anjou
duc de Calbre & de Lorraine, Marquise du Pont; chap LVIII:des Noms de Princes & Seigneurs qui furent contre les Sarrasins à Pruse.
Et premièremt ceux de la marche de L'isle de France.
1360: Le Seigneur de Montmorency qui porte d'or à une croi de geuelles à seize Aiglettes d'azur & crie "Dieu Ayde au 1er
Chrestien."
d'un autre livre d'armoires escrit environ l'an 1380 intitulé "les odonnances appartenans à l'office d'armes":
"Le sire de Montmorency porte d'or à une croix de gueulles à 16 aiglettes d'azur & crie "Dieu Ayde"
Les Sire Marley : d'or à la croix de geuelles à quatre aigles d'azur
Messire Mahieu de Montmorency d'or à une croix de gueulles à 16 aiglettes d'azur à un lambel d'argent.
1389 Extraict d'un Registre de Plaidoieries du Parlement de l'an:
Le XI Mai 1390 le seigneru de Montmorency dit qu'il est les plus ancien Baron du Royaume.
Jean Galli, Aduocat du Roy Charles VI au Parlement Question 214.
"Au dominus de Montmorency sit recipiendus ad prisiam faciendam in terra sua, ubi habet altam, mediam & bassam institiam &
possesiones proponendas super hoc, contra Regium Procuratoriem, ac procuratorem mercatorum piscium, etc.
--Arguebam quod sic, ego pro ipso hanc causam placitani rationibus sequentibus Primo quia ipse est Baronus et dominium suum
Baronia de Montmorency antiqui suum Baronia de Montmorency antiqui iuris Francia & in recto corpore Francia
Nec fuit Antiquitus aliqua Baronia in Francia quam sua ante augmentationes & acquisitiones que des post facittare fuerunt a
Regibus Franciae. Secundo usus a affuertus fuit & habet & habint ius per se & suos praedecessores dominos de Montmorency per tale
& tantum tempus de cuius contrario non extat memoria, & quod constitultiiare habetur, fuit & est in posssesione & susina habendi
prisiam piscium, capiendi vel facere capere puo se & nomine suo in & super illos qui vehunt aut portant à main ad urbeum Paris,
quando transeunt per villam de Sact Brice, Spectatnteum ad dict un dominum, & in qua habet altam mediam, & bassam iustitiam, iuxta
necesitatem ipsus domini & hospitij sui, etc. Partibus auditusfuit ad consilium positum &c Et post fuit pronunciatum anno Domini
MCCCXCI messrse Martij, quod erat recipiendus dictus dominus de Montmorency ad possessiones suas & receptus fuit.
1402--Extrat d'un arrest du Parlement donné le 10e iour de Fevrier :
"Carolus &c Iupter, dilectum & fedelem consiliarum nostrum episcopum Paris Actorem ex una Parte & dilectum & fidelem cambellanum
nostrum Iacobum de Montemorenciaco defensorem ex altera. Dicto defensor proponente quod ipse dominus Catellaine & Baroniae
Montismorenciais suarum pertinentiarum erat & fuerat quam cum omnibus suis pertinentys à tote tempore ipse & fui praedecessores à
nobis in feodum & homagium sub una sola fide & homagio & ressorto nostro tenuerant, tenereque ad uoauerant & recognuerant &c.
(954) I. Bouchard, I du Nom, Seigneur de Montmorency Ragenssedus ... cui tatis Carnobensis Presul huim autoritatis paginam
firmauitac roborauit
Hildemannus Archiespiscopus Senonensis
Theodoricus Granlfus Abbas S. Caranuni
Arduinus Archiclauus
(961) De la Chronique mS dde St Martin de Tours
Anno othonis Imp. XXVI & Lotharij Regis VII venit quida Princeps Danorum nominé Vuastanda in Franciam, cum Eadoardo & Eldino
cognatis fuis, qui tunc temporis erant Comites Flandriarum & uiadvuenta suo castrum MOMMORENCEIUM destruxerunt nec multo post
parisius obsederunt. Inter quos erat gigasnomine Hastins, qui quotidie à Francis duellum requirens, multos eorum occideerct to
tamque terrram à parte S. Dionysiiusque ad sequanaam devastarat. Rex vero Lotharius super hoc concilium adunauit, ubi ceim
Gaufridus Grisatunica Comes Andegau, veriret & gigantis rumorisanderet, clan assumptrisarmis ad quoddam molendinum iuxta in sulam
venit, ibique arma induens, molendivario nanem pulsante in Insulam transiit & gantem bello interfecit.
Iean Moyne de Mairmontier en la vie de Geofroy Grisegonelle, comte d'Anjou, mS.
Indiesbus illis Huasten Dnus tribus annis Gallias circa loca maritima maximé infestans, ad ultimuum ad consobrinos suos,
Eduuardum & Hilduinum, qui consules Flandriae erant cum XV milibus Danorum & Sxonum peruenit, secrum habeus Heteluuslum mirae
magnitudinis & fortitudinus virum quem Francisca lingua Haustuinum vocant. At vero Dani cum sueuis per regionem Francorum
discurrebant &c
Ventum itaque in vallem amoenam & Pulcher rimam interlocum qui Monsmorencius dicitur & Parisus Castellumque Montismorencii captum
monientes, diutius ibib morari existimanerunt. Cuius praesumptionis timore Rex in solemnitate Pentecostes Proceres suos Parisius
congregare disposuit, Sinulis igitur diebus Hetelunesus Danus veluti alter Golaith agminibus Francorum exprobrans ante urbum
Parisiacum signlare duellum ab aliquo Fracorum exigens, veniebat &c. Deinde narrat qualtier Gofredus Comes Audeg. ipsum fecit &c
Dani dolentes magis in eram efferati Francos audentius impetebant & ab incursation ibus in eos nullabenus absistebant. Et licet
montm-morencium spoliatum & combustum reliquerunt, inde loca omnia siluanecto &c suessioni adiacentia, usque etiam lauduno Clauto
perturbabant.
--Extraict d'un ancien Escrit de Foulques Nerre Comte d'Anjou, intitulé Scriptum quod fecit Fulco, Comes Hiersolymitanus in
Ecclesia Sepulchri de Lochis cum Magna Sepultus honorificenta de donis factis suisantecessoribus & Rege Franciae:
Cum Deus voluit sublimare Robertum filium Ducis in Regem, GOEFRIDUS GRISAGONELL A cum tribus milibus armatorum feruiebat domino
Regi Rotberto. Otho siquidem Rex Alemmanorum cum uniuersis copys suis Saxonum & Danorum, Montemmortiaci obsederat & urbi Parisus
multos assulties ignominiose faciebat...
2. Bouchard II dit "le Barbu" seigneur de Montmorency, Charte in serée au chartulaire de l'Abbey de
S. Denys, Auec cette incriptum: 996 :
"éPraeceptum Roberti Regis de Burchardo Barbato Mommorenciacensi, quomodo debet ese homo beati Dionysit, de insula & decensuquem
habet in castro beati Dionysiii & quomodo libertatem habenus infra bannileugum."
Mention dans un trés longue texte latin de la Charte de cette Abbaye: Dagoberti I, Karoli, Magni Imperatoris, HLudovici, Karoli
Calvi, etc...
1015 : Le Traducteur de la mer des Histoires sous l'an XV de l'Empire de Henry II:
"Brochen et Bouchard ne sont qu'un meme nom. Voyez les grandes Chroniques de l'Abbaye de S. Denys en la vie du Roy Robert."
3. Bouchard III seigneur de Montmorency, fils de Bouchard II, Charte tiréé du Chartulaire de l'Abbaye de St Vaast d'Arras...
(longue texte en latin, signée par :)
Signum Robert I Francorum Regis Glorifiosi Cuius consilion & approbatione actusm est.
Signum Henrici filij eius
S. Bertalduini, comitis Flandrie Honestae-Barbe
S. Richardi Normannorum Comitis, & Roberti Fratris eius Archiepiscopi
S.Rodulphi Comitis
S. Drogonis
S. Rogerij
S. Heylonis
S. Heslandi
S. Burchardi, filij Burchardi de Montemornciaco
S. Fulconis, Ambianensium Episcopi
S. Gerardi Cameracen sig Praesulus & Richardi virduren sium abbatis qui ibicausa Legationis aderant.
S. Leduini Abbatis S. Vedasti
S. Huberti Abbatis S. Luciani
S. Vualteri Cameracersis
S. Burchardi Comitis
S. Auberti Credulensis & Uuillelmi fratris eius
S. Balduinus Cancellarius per legundo Subscripsi
Acta sunt haec compendio Palatio mense Maio prima die mensis indictione serenisimo Rege Francorum Roberto Anno Imperij fui XXIX.
1028 --Charte du Roy Robert Confirmant la fondation de l'abbaye de Columbs prés Nogent en Beausse tiré du Chartulaire de la meme
abbaye:
... Quaterrusantem per omnia tempora hoc Praeceptum inuiolabiter conseraur, main propria firmauinus , & anuli nostri impressione
a incarnati verbi millesimo vigesimo octauo, regnantie Roberto Rege quadragisimo.
Signum Odorici Aurelianensis Episcopis qui hoc Praeceptum fieri Petyt
S. Isambardi fratis Ipsius Episkopi & heredis ipsius beneficii
S. Hugonis filij ipsius Isamberti
S. Fulberti Episcop
S. Franconis Episcopi
S. Vuarini Episcopi
S. Barnerij Episcopi
S. Radulfi Decani sancte crucis
S. Odonis Comitis
S. Vuillermi Comitis
S. Herfridi Praecentoris
S. Fulconis Comitis Andeganensis
S. Balduini Comitis
S. Draconis Comitis
S. Iuonis Comitis
S. Buirchardi de Montemoranci
S. Guilduini vice comitis Carnotensis
4. THIBAUD SEIGNEUR DE MONTMORENCY CONNETABLE DE FRANCE
1060 Charte de Henry Ier
Restauration de l'abbaye de St Martin des Champs de Paris - maintenant Prieuré: tirée des Archives de Paris de la meme Eglise-
Signum Regis Henrici,
S. Philippi Regis,
S. Annae Reginae
...
S. Tetbaldi de Montmorenci
S.Almarici Ruffi (ALMARUS?)
S. Almarici de Monteforti (ALMARUS?)
1063: Extraict du Chartulaire de l'abbaye du Sainct Pere de Chartres:
Charta Henrici: Dei gratia francorum Regis -- qua suo fideli Alberto nomine filio Scilicet rabaldi nobilissimi viri concedit, ut
quandam Ecclesiam, quam pater eius in honorem B Gemani Autissiodor, Episcopi caementariorum opere in Bru erolem si vicoporo Salute
animae sue construxerant, regi a quidem voluntate liceret eidare B. Petro, Apostolorum Principi & Monacus sibi famulantibus in
Caenobio, quod situm est non longe à moenibus Carnotenae urbis. Anno regni Henrici Regis XXII
S. Radulf Comitis
S. Balterij filij
S. Hugonis Comitis
S. Agoberti Episcopi .
Actum Drocis castro publicé in aula Regis.
Post Mortem: Henrici, Phillippus Rex II, anno regni fui, cum Regina matre sua in Scia camera Drocis, domino Alberto exorante main
propria hanc Cartam firmanerit, manibusque suorum corroborandam tradidit: Balduino Flandrensi Comiti, Simoni, Radulfo Comiti,
THEOBALDO DE MONTE MORENCIACO, Adelardo Buticulario, Ingelvano Paedagogo Regis.
1067: Charte du Roy Phillipe I
Concernant la dedication de l'Eglise de St Martin des Champs: tirée des chartes de ladite Eglise-- "In nomine sacta & Individuae
Trinitatis, Divinam Scriptuarum authoritutes ubstruimum an antiquorum Patrum vestigia sequi & eorum inquartum possumus brosue?
exemplari imitari (v.d.p.)
Si quis vero (quod absit, & quod minus credimus), hoc regale & legale statutum aliqua temntate calumniare vel violare
praescumpserit, sciat se regia Matjestatis reum & anabuematis gladioferiendum. Actum Parisius publici anno ab incarnatione Dominii
MLXVIII Indictione V. Anno Regni Phillipi Regis VII.
Signum Regis Phillipi
Hugo Frater Regis
Balduinus Comes Flandrie
Rciherius Senonensis Archiepiscopus
Gaufridus Parsiensis episcopas
Guido Ambianensis Episc.
Gualteruus (Walter) Medensis Ep.
Hugo Trecensis Ep.
Rogerius Catalannensis Ep.
Agolandus idem
Yuo (Ivo) Saxensis Ep.
Drogo, Archidiaconus Parisiensus
Yuo (Ivo) Archidiaconus Parisiensus
Lando Praecentor Parisiensus
Gaufridus Canonicus Sancta Mariae
Milo Decanus S Diony sii de carcere
Engelardus Abbas ipsius loci
Gistebertus Prior
Drogo, Presbyter
Drogo Grammaticus
Dainbertus Diaconnis
Hyldricus Canonicus
Aralfus Praecentor Sancta Crucis Aurelianensis
Sanzo sacrista Aurelianensis
Rainaldus Thesaurarius S. Martini Turonensis
Balduuinus Comes junior
Hugo Comes Mellendis
Vvillelmus Comes Suessionis
Rainaldus Comes Curbertiensis
Guido de Monté letheri
Simon de Monte Forti
Thetbaldus de Mont-Moriaco
Radulfus Senischalcus
Vualerannus Camerarius
Baldricus Constabularius
Engenulphus Buticularius
Adam Pincerna
Guido Mareschalcus
Drogo Pincerna
Engel rannus Pedagogus Regis
Petrus Cancellarius
Eustgachius Capellanus
Guafridus Subcappellanus
ALMARICUS DE CASTELLO-FORTI (in caps in type; means a relation to Montmorency?)
Federicus de Curbuilo
Stephanus Praepositus Aruelianensis
Vvalerus Praepositas Pisciacensis
Vvillelmus de Gomethiaco
Hugo de Nouocastello
Mainerus de Sparrone
Herveus de Marleio
Warnerus de Islo
Warnerus de Parisius
Frotinundus frater eius
Giraldus Hostiensis Ep.
Raimbaldus Apostolicia Sedis, Legatus
Dedicata sub eodem temporte ipsa ecclesia à super adictus peire omnibus Episcopis iiii Kal iuni.
1086 Carta Philippi Regis Francorum de uineis Herberti in arca braca, quas Ecclesia S. Petri Carnotensis confirmauit. Testes:
Gaufridus Episcopus Carnobensis
Amalricus Clericus
Frogerius de Cathalaunis
Robertus de Rapeforti
Gaufridus Comes Mauritaure
Geruafius Dapifer Regis
Phillipus Capellanus
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1179 Charte dont l'original est en Threfondu Chateau de Chantilly:
Quoniam & daemonis instictu & hominis consensu à perenni fonte sapientiae mirabiliter decidimus idcirco in hanc lacrymarum &
miseriae vallem deiecti memorie damum incurrimus under quod volumus me pereat literae prateritorum loquaci commendanus.
Igitur co tempore quo Phillipus Rex GBalliae regnaret BUKARDUS DE MONTMORENCY nemus de MONCOOT(Montecute) ad opus bonorum
hominum pro terra quam habent apud culturam Vlmi (Ulm?) de Herouilla cum Gaultero de Tibuuiller Matauit, Burkardus enim partem
culturae pro memore de MONCOOT Galtero & fratius fuis en eschange dedit idem Burkardus libere concessit quod terra culturae fit de
feodo Adae de Insula sicut nemus de Frodo eiusdem Adae erat. Ut ergo firmiter terreatur, hanc mutationem THEOBALDUS frater suus
MATTEUS fillus BURKARDI concesserunt. Et ut omnium inuidorum insultatis peritus euancscat idoneos testes scribimus ex parte
BUKARDI RENAUDUM MUSAUNE, Herricum de Mesnil Milonem de Nogent, Ex parte Galtieri, Galternum de Bubecio, Petrum Saunier, Iuonem
Hendouille
1185 Charte dond l'original est aux Archives de l'Eglise Collegiale de St Martin de Montmorency
1189 AMAURICUS DE MONTEFORTI
Annie Natalelli-Waloszek
You're sitting there blowing smoke up my chimney,
obviously flattering me for nothing of interest, over
what to you is apparently a day's typing?
YEEGADS WOMAN!
It was not a typing project; took about half an hour once I got started
and used to reading my own handwriting again! (keyboards are heck
on your handwriting! pens feel so weird after a few years of not using them!)
THE REASON WHY I WAS SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS BEING AN EXPLOIT
IS NOT BECAUSE I KNOW HOW TO TYPE!!!!
WHAT WAS INTERESTING -- NAY ESSENTIAL -- IS THAT I RECOGNIZED IT FOR
WHAT IT WAS, UNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS READING AND MORE IMPORTANT STILL -- REALIZED ITS SIGNIFICANCE!!! (WHICH IM NOT SURE YOU DO,
IM AFRAID....)
THE REAL WORK IS NOT THE DRUDGE OR THE PART SOME GET WAGES FOR!
THE THING THAT GIVES IT WEIGHT AND REALITY IS LIGHTER THAN A PLUME
AND EFFEMERE YET FULL OF PORTENDS LIKE A LOVERS GLANCE (n'est pas)
IS LIGHT AS A SYNAPSE AND VIRTUEL AS ... (What, a RAM? that's not very poetic...)
AS A VISION (that's not very scientific) -- AS AN EMAIL TRANSMISSION OR AN INTERNET CONNECTION --
WELL -- YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!!!! I CANT BELIEVE NOBODY SAW WHAT WAS THERE!!!! THE INVERSE OF THE EMPERORS NEW CLOTHES...!
The point is, that this Montmorency stuff was not only primary documentation,
but stuff that has not been published since about 1736 -- this was 1st time out stuff!
As I was reading down through the lists of signers of some obscure abbeys that
Montmorencys had signed along with a host of others, just before and just after
Hastings... including a number of Duc Wm's companions, & Richard II -- I was only
looking for proofs that Montmorency was of French, not English origin, as had been
stated previously on the list (& since retracted)...
But I found what may turn out to be the proof of the origins of Almarus/Almericus in
relation to that family -- as well as proof of the relation of Montecute to them -- whom
I'm sure you remember is linked to all sorts of things once they get to England, especially -- but was lacking in evidence
concerning their french origins...
& as I was feverishly trying to remember how to use a pencil & get it all down --
I realized that the infinitesimal chances of me stumbling into the right repository --
looking for something else, completely unrelated -- and out of the millions of books
& manuscripts in the place, (& they'd handed me some mind-dulling lulus, first)
stumbling upon the one book that actually had what I'd been looking for forever --
AND WOULD NEVER HAVE FOUND BY SEARCHING FOR IT, ONLY BY SEARCHING
FOR SOMETHING ELSE, APPARENTLY COMPLETELY UNRELATED -- PRECISELY
BECAUSE THE RELATIONSHIP HAD NOT YET EVER BEEN ESTABLISHED!!! --
At first, as I was reading over this uninteresting looking old book, which I assumed that
thousands must have read before, but may not have paid attention to or noted the significance of, I had just brushed by this
boring list of names on a forgotten church,
-- reading but not seeing it -- the way that all this data we're seeking usually evades us --- hidden right before our eyes ...
(Einstein said: God hides secrets not through ruse,
but by the very loftiness of the thought!) & that suddenly, miraculously, I saw it for what it
was... THAT was the gift! the insight, the miracle, the astuce! the discovery!
& It couldn't be found any other way than going down there and fumbling around
in the endless piles of a huge library (preferably with a guide) because in fact
the Duc of Aumale had left a clause in his will, leguing his fabulous collection
including the fabled book of Hours of the Duc de Berry-- to the Institute of France --
that NONE of the books & documents may at any time leave the castle...
So those of you who work from what can be picked up in a bookshop or library,
are missing everything in this fabulously rich collection, for instance... which is
in fact but one of many such in France, not to mention Europe, and the world...
The very stuff we'd all been yapping about, a few months back --
the stuff lying around gathering dust in attics and piles of papers,
bearing the missing bits everybody's been missing all along because
hashing over endlessly what little had been previously published
rather than going out for the rest of it!
The stuff you see in that little typing exercise, is stuff nobody has
seen or used before to my knowledge... but it is the most reliable
stuff you're likely to find on the period... & there's surely more like
it in there...
You'll notice that Andre des Chesney is the same fellow who's sited
in the refs for the Dives Roll, as well...
I couldn't believe that in the entire list, nobody had seen anything to
get excited about in the whole thing!
Malinda said they were probably still trying to translate it... but I KNOW
that tons of you do read french & latin fine -- yet you didn't see it either!
Or you just weren't telling anyone... So I decided I'd done my bit, by
putting it out there for all to see -- for those with eyes to see... & a mind
to read -- like all the rest of the data out there.... hidden in plain site...
Now I can go about my business, the only one to know perhaps, the only
one to enjoy the fruits of my labors, perhaps, but with a clear conscience,
because I've made it available to those able to recognize it & make it
bear fruit... & I made a few more such trips as well -- & plan on making
still more, whether anybody wants to simplify my compiling sites to examine
& documents to search for or not; "Hasard" has always served me well...
So well that I'm not sure it's "hazard" at all... intuition, kismet...
BUT, after this, don't complain about nobody ever goes out & gets the
goods -- you guys just maybe don't know the goods when it comes up &
bites your butt!
By the way, you and Malinda have been doing some great work on the
Washington & Grey lines, but the recent "dialogues " over nonsense make
you look like you have time to waste; don't let them do that to you! You
deserve better interactions! We all do!
Annie
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Roz Griston <r_gr...@dccnet.com>
À : 'Annie Natalelli-Waloszek' <Xan...@Wanadoo.fr>
Date : vendredi 23 novembre 2001 07:27
Objet : RE: Montmorency
>holy smokes woman..if you type like i do..this was a day long project.
>well done.
>
>see below.
>snip all that wonderful work so i don't put your mail server into
>overload..i am impressed. now i just have to find the time to
>read/translate it.
>roz
Roz Griston
>
>snip all that wonderful work so i don't put your mail server into
>overload..i am impressed. now i just have to find the time to
>read/translate it.
>roz
annie do you really believe i was just totally impressed with your
ability to type? the locating and compilation of the data would have
taken a significant amount of time. care to share how many hours of
work went into it..aside from typing/transcribing it?
i do have to agree with malinda some are taking the time to
read/translate it..i also agree that there are ppl on this list who
possess fluency in latin and french..but factor in how many have an
interest in montmorency.. i know i don't as of yet, and maybe
never..but, the posting provides me with an opportunity to practice
translations.
and then there's that herd of psuedo-researchers who automatically
go..oh..she/he posted it..i'm not going to bother to read it.
give it a week or two and one of the elite ex-spurts will post or make
comment and the fawning masses will be going ooouuh ...ahh wonderful
work..bow, bow, scrape, scrape..not to you..but to the one who pirated
your information.
with this list, i'm often reminded of board of directors meetings where
someone says something, and the others don't hear until one of those
deemed knowledgeable comments often parroting the same thing as
perceived "underling".
the old boys/girls network on this list just really has difficulty in
recognising anyone's work/effort who doesn't "belong" to the inner
circle. makes you wonder what they are afraid of..is their self
appointed position so tenuous that they can't even say thank you?..or
perhaps they are jealous they didn't find it first? who knows..and
moreover, who really cares about the petty people: the self appointed
stars whose ignorance shines far brighter than the illiterate redneck.
roz
YEEGADS WOMAN!
Annie
A : 'Annie Natalelli-Waloszek' <Xan...@Wanadoo.fr>
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