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Richard de Mari and Billehuede St. Sauveur alleged parents of Humphrey (with beard) Bohun.
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Jason Quick
Mar 11, 2016, 2:37:41 AM3/11/16
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Are there are any other sources of Richard I de Mari and Billehuede St. Sauveur, daughter of Neil II (III) being the Parents of Humphrey I (with beard) Bohun that have not been destroyed by World War II?
The author of the site I am quoting is Olivier Deméautis and he seems to have regurgitated info word for word from, Les Seigneurs de Bohon by Jean Le Melletier that I have seen elsewhere on the web.
I used Google to translate the French and Latin on his site without editing the context.
http://genealogie.demeautis.free.fr/page.php?page=103
-Richard I de Mary-
Richard I of the Vieul Mary, Lord of Mary, St. Cosme, Liesville, Méautis, Bohon & Other Places were three known son. He was the father of Richard II of Mary, Lord of Mary & other places of Enjuger Méautis, Lord of Méautis and Humphrey I of the Old Bohon, Lord & Bohon of Tatterford in Norfolk.
Before the fire of Saint-Lô in 1944, it was to the Channel archives, a memory from the mid-seventeenth century genealogy of the family "of Mary." This contained information collected on an old sign written in 1472. Here is an excerpt of that memory whose authenticity and veracity were recognized at the time:
-Translated from French on Website-
"[...] And first there is dict that the Lords are the true founders of the Church of Saint-Cosme in the year nine hundred fifty, it was founded by Richard the Vieul which his father was Raul, the first Sire of Mari, compaignon with the Sire of Sainte-Marie-du-Mont, the Dukes of Denmark came in nostre own country. There is dict encores Richard founded in Mesme time the churches of Bohon and Méautis he was the Lords who were divided between his son. Humphrey was Lord of Bohon, Enjugier, Méautis. Richard had shared Saint-Cosme, Husband, Liesville and other places. "
Richard I of the Vieul Mary was certainly married several times. A charter written probably around 1060 (between 1049 and 1066) and on the priory of Saint-Georges-de-Bohon, allows us to clearly identify which one was probably his last wife "Billeheude".
This was sometimes regarded as the daughter of a certain Richard of Saint-Sauveur or a certain Richard BILLEHEUST. In the family "Saint-Sauveur", there was a "Bileud" but at a later date where she was the daughter of Neel II of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte, a leading baron who rebelled against William the Bastard for her youth.
This charter is a donation of Humphrey I of the Old Bohon, son of Richard I of the Vieul Mary, who conceded to Saint-Martin-de-Marmoutier Abbey Priory he had founded on his land. Note that this original document preserved in the archives of the Channel (Fund Bohon Priory) was destroyed in the fire at Saint-Lô in 1944. It reads:
"[...] That Omnibus sunt and futuri sunt innotescat quod quidam nobilis vir dives and Unfridus miles concessit dedit Sancto Martino cellam of Bohonio quam ipse that fundavera. And India is carta ejus in hec verba. Quoniam ... Ego Unfridus miseratione divina permotus domum religiosm in feudo of Meo Buhun erigere decrevi and monachos ibi Posui who Deo et Sancte Marie in ecclesia Sancti Georgii in perpetuum deserviant and predictam domum cum omnibus appendiciis am Sancto Martino Majoris Monasterii dedi libenter and Concessi . And Deo sic hoc elemosinatio inspiring, Domino autem facta Favente Guilelmo committee is pro remedio anime mee and Ricardi patris mei Meri defuncti and Bileheldis matris mee defuncte in octabis Penthecostes coram venrabili patre Gaufrido Constanciensi episcopo benedicente and confirming etiam coram ... abbate Sancti Martini and Arnulfo and Heriberto and Rotgero monachis and quam pluribus aliis quorum nomina hic annotantur ........................ Item sequitur of eodem (sic) .... .................... ".
Are cited in this document, Humphrey I of the Old Bohon, his father Richard I of the Vieul Mary, his mother Billeheude and Geoffrey de Montbray, Bishop of Coutances. Here is a translation:
-Translated from French on Website -
"[...] To all those who are and will it be known that a rich and noble man, the Onfroy knight gave and granted to Saint-Martin Priory Bohon he founded. Because ... I, Humphrey, touched by God's mercy, I have decided to erect a religious house in my stronghold Bohon and I placed the monks there to serve God forever and St. Mary in the church St. George and the aforementioned house, with all its dependencies, I have given great heart and granted to Saint-Martin-de-Marmoutier. And this charity was so made under the inspiration of God and auspices of the Lord Count William, to the relief of my soul and the late Richard Mary, my father and the late Billeheude, my mother, in the octave Pentecost, in front of the venerable father Geoffrey, bishop of Coutances, blessing and confirming, in front ... also the abbot of Saint-Martin and Arnouf monks and Héribert and Roger and a host of others which are recorded here Item names ........................ follows the same ..................... ... ".
http://genealogie.demeautis.free.fr/page.php?page=106-
-Humphrey I of the Old Bohon-
-Translated from French and Latin with Google Translate-
The last son of Richard I of Old Mary, Humphrey I of the Old Bohon, was born in the early eleventh century and received a share of the stronghold Bohons. A charter probably written around 1060 (between 1049 and 1066) and on the priory of Saint-Georges-de-Bohon, allows us to clearly identify his mother, Mary Billeheude. He is best known for founding the priory of Bohon and for being one of the companions of Duke William at Hastings, which brought him glory and honor. It is found mentioned in old English charters as the "[...] Humfridus cum barba" (Humphrey or Humphrey bearded with beard) because contrary to custom Norman of that time, he had a long beard .
Now and before commenting on the life of the founder of the family "of Bohon" of the Cotentin marshes, I want to give some details of their cradle. At about 8 km south of Carentan Taute going up the river, found in an isolated and swampy place, "[...] the villages Bohons" which gave the name to this family. This is where lie the two towns of the same name, Saint-Georges-de-Bohon and Saint-André-de-Bohon. The site of the former castle is located on Saint-André-de-Bohon on the edge of the marshes. Her mound was still full in the early nineteenth century but now hardly recognizable. It was an artificial mound known locally as the "Castel". He was surrounded by a ditch that filled with water at will. The choir of the church of St. George was formerly the priory church and the nave was for the use of the parish. This choir was built with taste and care, almost entirely in tile Caen, probably brought by water.
Destroyed in 1944, it remains of the small church of Saint-Georges-de-Bohon that the base of the pillars of the nave, some sitting portal, the bare table of the altar Romanesque and floor tile in chorus Caen. The current church was built between 1962 and 1965 offers little of interest. The bell tower is topped by a pyramidal spire and near the gate on a slate background, was inlaid some remains of the eighteenth century from the old church.
Humphrey I of the Old Bohon was given as the parent of Duke William but it is known by what legitimate or illegitimate link. It was in any case very close to him because we see the name of it, the Duchess Matilda and children associated with his in several acts.
The earliest mention of Humphrey I of the Old Bohon is a charter of Duke William confirming a gift to the abbey of Mont Sainte-Trinité in Rouen by Gilbert, a vassal of the Seneschal Osbern. This document bears the signature of William accompanied by those of several of his men and that of Humphrey, son of Richard "[...] ex nostris s. Humfredi, filii Ricardi. "
In a charter of Humphrey I of the Old Bohon probably written around 1060 (between 1049 and 1066), it conceded in Saint-Martin-de-Marmoutier Abbey Priory he had founded on his land. Note that this original document preserved in the archives of the Channel (Fund Bohon Priory) was destroyed in the fire at Saint-Lô in 1944. It reads: "[...] That Omnibus sunt and futuri sunt innotescat quod quidam nobilis vir dives and Unfridus miles concessit dedit Sancto Martino cellam of Bohonio quam ipse that fundavera. And India is carta ejus in hec verba. Quoniam ... Ego Unfridus miseratione divina permotus domum religiosm in feudo of Meo Buhun erigere decrevi and monachos ibi Posui who Deo et Sancte Marie in ecclesia Sancti Georgii in perpetuum deserviant and predictam domum cum omnibus appendiciis am Sancto Martino Majoris Monasterii dedi libenter and Concessi . And Deo sic hoc elemosinatio inspiring, Domino autem facta Favente Guilelmo committee is pro remedio anime mee and Ricardi patris mei Meri defuncti and Bileheldis matris mee defuncte in octabis Penthecostes coram venrabili patre Gaufrido Constanciensi episcopo benedicente and confirming etiam coram ... abbate Sancti Martini and Arnulfo and Heriberto and Rotgero monachis and quam pluribus aliis quorum nomina hic annotantur ........................ Item sequitur of eodem (sic) .... .................... ".
-This was translated from French on original site-
Are cited in this document, Humphrey I of the Old Bohon, his father Richard I of the Vieul Mary, his mother Mary and Billeheude Geoffrey de Montbray, Bishop of Coutances. Here is a translation:
"[...] To all those who are and will it be known that a rich and noble man, the knight Humphrey gave and granted to Saint-Martin Priory Bohon he founded. Because ... I, Humphrey, touched by God's mercy, I have decided to erect a religious house in my stronghold Bohon and I placed the monks there to serve God forever and St. Mary in the church St. George and the aforementioned house, with all its dependencies, I have given great heart and granted to Saint-Martin-de-Marmoutier. And this charity was so made under the inspiration of God and auspices of the Lord Count William, to the relief of my soul and the late Richard Mary, my father and the late Billeheude, my mother, in the octave Pentecost, in front of the venerable father Geoffrey, bishop of Coutances, blessing and confirming, in front ... also the abbot of Saint-Martin and Arnouf monks and Héribert and Roger and a host of others which are recorded here Item names ........................ follows the same ..................... ... ".
Later dates were given for the founding of the Priory Bohon, but given the title of Count William seems to prove that this room was prior to the year 1066 and that the foundation is older. Priory Bohon was originally served by a community of four canons. The Humphrey of deed of gift I of the Old Bohon was intended to give it to the Saint-Martin-de-Marmoutier abbey with the knight's fee that depended on it. Evidenced by a deed drawn up between 1071 and 1082 and bringing the subscriptions of King William, Queen Mathilde, their son, Robert and William Michel, Bishop of Avranches, of Odon, bishop of Bayeux, Roger de Montgomery and Richard, son of Turstin. The monks gradually replaced the canons after their death.
This donation Humphrey I of the Old Bohon was challenged by Geoffrey, son of veined, who claimed to Marmoutier monks sinecures a priory. Eudes the Chapel, Viscount of Cotentin, was charged by the king to rule on this different. By judgment of the court of the king of December 27, 1080 in Cherbourg, the case was decided in favor of the monks of Marmoutier.
Here is a copy of the Act concerning the judgment that was passed to the court of King William, in the presence of Viscount Eudes. Among the witnesses were found Bohon Humphrey I of the Old, accompanied by his son Richard III Mary (Richard Meri) and Torchetil of Bohon.
"[...] Notum sit omnibus praesentibus and Sancti Georgii praebendam futuris illam, quam filius Gaufridus Nervei unfair calumniatus fuerat, monachos Sancti Martini Majori Monasterio, judicio curiae regis Anglorum, videlicet coram episcopis Gaufrido Constantiensi, Michacle Abrincensi, Gisleberto Luxoviensi and Eudone vicecomite, quibus ditto rex judicium illud praecepit decernere has calumnia praedicti Gaufridi, justae deliberationis ratione apud Caesaris burgum, tertia Nativitalis Christi die, Sancto Martino and Sancto Georgio redemisse atque in perpetuum acquitavisse, sub testimonio domni Unfredi de Bohun and Richardi filii ejus , necnon Ingulfi, ejusdem loci canonici, Gaufredi dapiferi, Unfredi, Alveredi, Radulfi filli Benzelini, Rogerii of Albiniaco, filiique sui Rualoc, nigelli Bloeth, necnon and testimonio archidiaconorum Normanni atque Radulfi of Sancto Laudo, Sansonis Baiocensis, Bernadique filii Ospaet Rotomagensis, hominumque Sancti Martini, Rualoci of Heltvilla, atque Malgerii Stobelont, Torchetilli Bohon, Willelmi of Botevil. Auxit iterum postea quam Domnus Humfredus Suam elemosynam fecerat Beato and Georgio Sancto Martino cultura adjacet quae Sancto Georgio and pratoquod ibi habebut in suo dominicatu and rustic Anschitillo. Hanc autem rex Anglorum donationem Willelmus concessit fieri, requisitione Hunfredi Domini, cum rex sederet super suum tapetal interdomum foresterii and ecclesiam of Bernuvivilla, cum remansisset Anglia. Vidit autem hoc comes from Moretonio and comes Alanus Rufus. "
-Translated from Latin in Google and added-
"[...] And prepare it it be known to all present and to come, that of Saint George, which was the son of Geoffrey nerve unfair he cruelly oppressed, the monks of St Martin, the Mayor of Monasterio, judgment of the court of the king of the English, that is to say in the presence of the bishops of Geoffrey of Coutances, of Michael Abrincensi, Gisleberto of Luxeuil and the sheriff Eudo which ditto the judgment has to decide that the oppression of the aforesaid Geoffrey, just a deliberative manner with Caesar borough, third Nativitalis Christ's day, St Martin and St George bought and forever acquitavisse, the witness lord Unfredi de Bohun and Richard's son, as well as Ingulfi, the same place canon Geoffrey steward, Unfredi, Alveredi, Ralph Fitz Benzelinus, Roger of Aubigny, her son Rualocus, Nigel Bloeth well and testimony archidiaconorum Norman and Ralph of St Lo, Sansonis Bayeux, Bernadique children Ospaet Rouen, the population of St. Martin, Rualocus of Heltvilla and Malgerii Stobelont, Torchetilli Bohon, William of Botevil. Increased again after that Dom Humphrey made his alms, St. George, St. Martin and St. George, which is adjacent to the culture and pratoquod there habebut in its dominicatu and rustic Anschitillus. This is a gift to the king of England granted William made the request Hunfred Lord, when the king sat on his tapetal interdomum forest and assembly of Bernuvivilla when left England. And he saw also that the Earl of Mortain and comes from Alan Rufus. "
An earlier chartered in 1066 and purchased by the Duke William, tells us that Humphrey I of the Old Bohon gave a tenth of his charruée with a garden of his stronghold of Puchay in the abbey of Saint-Amand women Rouen for rest of his soul and those of his three wives, when his daughters became a nun there. The abbey of Saint-Léger women in Préaux received from him a tenth of Barbeville, the church Sainte-Marie, the tithe from the town of Carentan and the cure. He increased and confirmed the donation when the second of her daughters made himself religious. He gave the same establishment all he still had to Puchay with the agreement of his son, Richard III Mary (Richard Meri) and Robert Russell (Robert I of Bohon).
In 1062, I found Humphrey of Bohon and the Old Duke William at Hougue Biville accompanied by Roger de Montgomery and William, son of Osbern. During the meal, Guillaume exempted from customs lands neighboring Priory Héauville. A nobleman present criticized the liberalism of William and the latter, taking umbrage at the criticism, then threatened to hit him with a pork shoulder.
It was Hugh the Forester that Duke William would strike with a pig's shoulder, to cut short the objections was that lord. Here is the notice relating to exemption from the Héauville priory land. Among the witnesses found Humphrey I of the Old Bohon.
"[...] Notitia in hoc quod rex Guillelmus concessit, quando erat adhuc comes, agricolari monachis Sancti Martini consuetudinarias suas terras sine consuetudine apud Helvillam. Tempore quo Frethebertus monachus custodiebat res Sancti Martini apud Helville, concessit rex Anglorum, which adhuc erat comes, illi Monacho and hominibus Sancti Martini quod illi laborassent terram of'm costumiis sine ullo debito, sed rogavit ut tantum terram of cortilz not arassent, nisi vellent persolvere debita. Hoc solum prohibuit homines, sed sine monachis debito in dominicatu owner laborandam concessit. Manducans ad hoc concessit comes from the Hoge boiville, audientibus Rogerio Monte Gomario, Guillelmo Osberti Filio, Hugone forestario, quem voluit percutere de una espalla porci, pro [eo] quod donum illud contradicebat. Hoc autem bene habuit Sanctus Martinus donee Rothbertus Bertrannus ministerium vicecomitis accepit who bet pro hac re Sancti Martini praedam cepit, dicens is nescire regem istud fecisse. Tunc Gauslinus monachus, ex praecepto Rainaldi monachi, pro hac re mare transgrediens, clamorem fecit regi which iratus remisit praedictum monachum capellano cum suo Bernardo filio Hospac, reginae, praecipiens ei quod of Bertranno justitiam faceret Sancto Martino, and praedam redderet. Regina autem regi obediens coegit Rotbertum quaecumque rebus Sancti Martini rapuerat reddere, festivitate in Sancti Johannis, in nativitate in domo of Ceresbroch, audientibus episcopis Luxovii and Abrincarum, Richardo vicecomite, Heudone, Humfrido Buhonensi ".
-Translated From Latin in Google and added-
Information on the fact that the king has granted to William, when he was still a companion, he agricolari without the custom of the monks of St. Martin in the lands of their consuetudinarias Helvillum. At the time when Frethebertus monk watched the Saint Martin with Helvillum, granted king of England, which was still comes, those monks and people of Saint Martin that they have labored land of'm costumier without any debt, but asked that only the land of cortilz not plowed unless they pay debts. This only forbade men, but without the monks debt dominicatu owner laborandam granted. Eating comes from the Hoge Boivill granted for this purpose, the audience of the Monte Gomario Roger, William son of Osbert, Hugh the forester, whom he intended to strike him on the one espalla of the swine, for [the fact] that the gift of it against her. This well was Saint Martin until Rothberto Bertrannus sheriff's office who took the bet for this St. Martin booty seized, saying it did not know this king. Then Gauslinus monk at the command Rainaldi monks, for this sea moved, the alarm has been sent to the king which angry monk, a chaplain with his son Bernard Hospac queen, commanding him to do justice Bertranno of St. Martin, and prey pay. The queen was forced to obey all that matters, Robert S. Martin attracted to the festival in Saint John, in the birth house of Ceresbroch audience bishops Luxovio and Abrincis, Richard sheriff, Heudone, Humphrey Buhonensi ".
The Priory Héauville was not troubled in its franchises until the day Robert Bertran, Lord of Bricquebec office received the Viscount of Cotentin. This probably disregarding the exemption of Duke William, imposed certain royalties religious who complained to the king. Towards 1076, Humphrey I of the Old Bohon was in Normandy alongside Queen Matilda who was in charge of the provincial government in the absence of her husband, King William. He was in Cherbourg, witnessed the act by which Queen Matilda did justice to the monks of the priory which Héauville Robert Bertran, Lord of Bricquebec, Viscount of Cotentin had imposed charges of which they were provided.
The Humphrey subscription Bohon I of the Old is still found on many charters. An agreement in Bayeux between 1070 and 1081, before the Queen Mathilde between the abbot of Mont-Saint-Michel and William Painel. His signature and that of his son Richard III Mary (Richard Meri) appear alongside those of King William, Queen Mathilde and their son on two charters dated 30 January 1080 to Boscherville. One confirms the endowment of the Saint-Georges de Boscherville church and another donation to Saint-Florent de Saumur of Saint-Gervais church and St. Portais with other assets and income by William of Briouze.
Also on two charters, one written in Caen, where King William confirmed the founding of the Abbey of Lessay July 14, 1080 and another on the foundation of the Abbey of Montebourg. Humphrey I of the Old Bohon added to his gifts of land near the Bohon Priory and was confirmed to his request by King William, probably towards the end of 1081 year. On the Bayeux Tapestry, in a scene meals chaired by Odo, Bishop of Bayeux and half-brother of the conqueror, a bearded man is the right of William.
It seems very possible that this is Humphrey I of the Old Bohon "[...] Humfridus cum barba" which saw his age and rank at the court of William, always occupied a place of honor at the table.
In 1066, Humphrey I of the Old Bohon had been married three times, two of his daughters had entered the convent and her son were old enough to confirm his largesse. Despite his advanced age, Bohon Humphrey I of the Old took the bold decision to go with Duke William in his great adventure that was the conquest of England. His name is present on most lists of lords that followed Duke William. In his book "The novel Rou", the famous columnist Robert Wace, who lived near the time of the conquest, tells us the age and name of the one who figured it: "[...] E Bohon, li Onfrei old. "
We find his name more or less deformed on most lists of William Hastings companions (of Behunt, Boown, Boum, Bion). It is present the list of Dives-sur-Mer made by Mr. Leopold Delisle, where he was named "Honfroi of Bohon." Note also a significant number of variants to her name (Humphrey, Humphrey, Honfroi, Honfroy, Humfridus, Humphrey, Onfrei, Onfrey, Unfridus, Affroy, etc.).
Humphrey I of the Old Bohon with his vassals was in Hastings and is the "Domesday Book" or "Book of the Last Judgment" (presumably census conducted between 1080 and 1086). It is found "[...] tenantes in capite" for one lordship, that of Tatterford in Norfolk County. the small town of Tatterford Note that is located approximately 180 kilometers north of London significantly.
It is true that this may seem little compared substantial assets allocated by Guillaume most of his companions, but it is not unique. It seems clear that given his age and knowing that the enjoyment of large estates in England after the conquest was not easy, it probably received other compensation of King William.
The death of Humphrey I of the Old Bohon probably lies after 1081 year and before the year 1093. In his three marriages we know him four daughters and son but it is very likely that he had other children .
His first son, Richard III Mary, sire of Bohon (Richard Meri) inherited the ancestral stronghold and was originally two branches. The "Bohon» Normandy and "Bohon Midhurst" of England, who held an important place in the history of Normandy under the dynasty of the early Plantagenets.
His second son, Robert Russell (Robert I of Bohon) died relatively young and the lifetime of his father. The two girls that we know became nuns. The first in the Abbey Saint-Amand of Rouen and the second at the Saint-Léger in Préaux.
His third son, Humphrey II Bohon, Lord of Tatterford & Trowbridge (Humphrey II de Bohun) was the ancestor of the illustrious lineage of the Earls of Hereford, Essex and Northampton. His fourth son, Enguerran Bohon became a monk at the priory of Bohon or Saint-Martin abbey of Marmoutier.
We know nothing of this Torchetil Bohon who witnessed Richard III Mary (Richard Meri) in the judgment of 27 December 1080 to Cherbourg. There is no doubt that Torchetil Bohon was part of the kinship of Humphrey I of the Old Bohon. Was it a son? Was it one of his nephews? Unfortunately, it is likely that we will never have to answer this question. - End
Thanks
Jason -
The author of the site I am quoting is Olivier Deméautis and he seems to have regurgitated info word for word from, Les Seigneurs de Bohon by Jean Le Melletier that I have seen elsewhere on the web.
I used Google to translate the French and Latin on his site without editing the context.
http://genealogie.demeautis.free.fr/page.php?page=103
-Richard I de Mary-
Richard I of the Vieul Mary, Lord of Mary, St. Cosme, Liesville, Méautis, Bohon & Other Places were three known son. He was the father of Richard II of Mary, Lord of Mary & other places of Enjuger Méautis, Lord of Méautis and Humphrey I of the Old Bohon, Lord & Bohon of Tatterford in Norfolk.
Before the fire of Saint-Lô in 1944, it was to the Channel archives, a memory from the mid-seventeenth century genealogy of the family "of Mary." This contained information collected on an old sign written in 1472. Here is an excerpt of that memory whose authenticity and veracity were recognized at the time:
-Translated from French on Website-
"[...] And first there is dict that the Lords are the true founders of the Church of Saint-Cosme in the year nine hundred fifty, it was founded by Richard the Vieul which his father was Raul, the first Sire of Mari, compaignon with the Sire of Sainte-Marie-du-Mont, the Dukes of Denmark came in nostre own country. There is dict encores Richard founded in Mesme time the churches of Bohon and Méautis he was the Lords who were divided between his son. Humphrey was Lord of Bohon, Enjugier, Méautis. Richard had shared Saint-Cosme, Husband, Liesville and other places. "
Richard I of the Vieul Mary was certainly married several times. A charter written probably around 1060 (between 1049 and 1066) and on the priory of Saint-Georges-de-Bohon, allows us to clearly identify which one was probably his last wife "Billeheude".
This was sometimes regarded as the daughter of a certain Richard of Saint-Sauveur or a certain Richard BILLEHEUST. In the family "Saint-Sauveur", there was a "Bileud" but at a later date where she was the daughter of Neel II of Saint-Sauveur-le-Vicomte, a leading baron who rebelled against William the Bastard for her youth.
This charter is a donation of Humphrey I of the Old Bohon, son of Richard I of the Vieul Mary, who conceded to Saint-Martin-de-Marmoutier Abbey Priory he had founded on his land. Note that this original document preserved in the archives of the Channel (Fund Bohon Priory) was destroyed in the fire at Saint-Lô in 1944. It reads:
"[...] That Omnibus sunt and futuri sunt innotescat quod quidam nobilis vir dives and Unfridus miles concessit dedit Sancto Martino cellam of Bohonio quam ipse that fundavera. And India is carta ejus in hec verba. Quoniam ... Ego Unfridus miseratione divina permotus domum religiosm in feudo of Meo Buhun erigere decrevi and monachos ibi Posui who Deo et Sancte Marie in ecclesia Sancti Georgii in perpetuum deserviant and predictam domum cum omnibus appendiciis am Sancto Martino Majoris Monasterii dedi libenter and Concessi . And Deo sic hoc elemosinatio inspiring, Domino autem facta Favente Guilelmo committee is pro remedio anime mee and Ricardi patris mei Meri defuncti and Bileheldis matris mee defuncte in octabis Penthecostes coram venrabili patre Gaufrido Constanciensi episcopo benedicente and confirming etiam coram ... abbate Sancti Martini and Arnulfo and Heriberto and Rotgero monachis and quam pluribus aliis quorum nomina hic annotantur ........................ Item sequitur of eodem (sic) .... .................... ".
Are cited in this document, Humphrey I of the Old Bohon, his father Richard I of the Vieul Mary, his mother Billeheude and Geoffrey de Montbray, Bishop of Coutances. Here is a translation:
-Translated from French on Website -
"[...] To all those who are and will it be known that a rich and noble man, the Onfroy knight gave and granted to Saint-Martin Priory Bohon he founded. Because ... I, Humphrey, touched by God's mercy, I have decided to erect a religious house in my stronghold Bohon and I placed the monks there to serve God forever and St. Mary in the church St. George and the aforementioned house, with all its dependencies, I have given great heart and granted to Saint-Martin-de-Marmoutier. And this charity was so made under the inspiration of God and auspices of the Lord Count William, to the relief of my soul and the late Richard Mary, my father and the late Billeheude, my mother, in the octave Pentecost, in front of the venerable father Geoffrey, bishop of Coutances, blessing and confirming, in front ... also the abbot of Saint-Martin and Arnouf monks and Héribert and Roger and a host of others which are recorded here Item names ........................ follows the same ..................... ... ".
http://genealogie.demeautis.free.fr/page.php?page=106-
-Humphrey I of the Old Bohon-
-Translated from French and Latin with Google Translate-
The last son of Richard I of Old Mary, Humphrey I of the Old Bohon, was born in the early eleventh century and received a share of the stronghold Bohons. A charter probably written around 1060 (between 1049 and 1066) and on the priory of Saint-Georges-de-Bohon, allows us to clearly identify his mother, Mary Billeheude. He is best known for founding the priory of Bohon and for being one of the companions of Duke William at Hastings, which brought him glory and honor. It is found mentioned in old English charters as the "[...] Humfridus cum barba" (Humphrey or Humphrey bearded with beard) because contrary to custom Norman of that time, he had a long beard .
Now and before commenting on the life of the founder of the family "of Bohon" of the Cotentin marshes, I want to give some details of their cradle. At about 8 km south of Carentan Taute going up the river, found in an isolated and swampy place, "[...] the villages Bohons" which gave the name to this family. This is where lie the two towns of the same name, Saint-Georges-de-Bohon and Saint-André-de-Bohon. The site of the former castle is located on Saint-André-de-Bohon on the edge of the marshes. Her mound was still full in the early nineteenth century but now hardly recognizable. It was an artificial mound known locally as the "Castel". He was surrounded by a ditch that filled with water at will. The choir of the church of St. George was formerly the priory church and the nave was for the use of the parish. This choir was built with taste and care, almost entirely in tile Caen, probably brought by water.
Destroyed in 1944, it remains of the small church of Saint-Georges-de-Bohon that the base of the pillars of the nave, some sitting portal, the bare table of the altar Romanesque and floor tile in chorus Caen. The current church was built between 1962 and 1965 offers little of interest. The bell tower is topped by a pyramidal spire and near the gate on a slate background, was inlaid some remains of the eighteenth century from the old church.
Humphrey I of the Old Bohon was given as the parent of Duke William but it is known by what legitimate or illegitimate link. It was in any case very close to him because we see the name of it, the Duchess Matilda and children associated with his in several acts.
The earliest mention of Humphrey I of the Old Bohon is a charter of Duke William confirming a gift to the abbey of Mont Sainte-Trinité in Rouen by Gilbert, a vassal of the Seneschal Osbern. This document bears the signature of William accompanied by those of several of his men and that of Humphrey, son of Richard "[...] ex nostris s. Humfredi, filii Ricardi. "
In a charter of Humphrey I of the Old Bohon probably written around 1060 (between 1049 and 1066), it conceded in Saint-Martin-de-Marmoutier Abbey Priory he had founded on his land. Note that this original document preserved in the archives of the Channel (Fund Bohon Priory) was destroyed in the fire at Saint-Lô in 1944. It reads: "[...] That Omnibus sunt and futuri sunt innotescat quod quidam nobilis vir dives and Unfridus miles concessit dedit Sancto Martino cellam of Bohonio quam ipse that fundavera. And India is carta ejus in hec verba. Quoniam ... Ego Unfridus miseratione divina permotus domum religiosm in feudo of Meo Buhun erigere decrevi and monachos ibi Posui who Deo et Sancte Marie in ecclesia Sancti Georgii in perpetuum deserviant and predictam domum cum omnibus appendiciis am Sancto Martino Majoris Monasterii dedi libenter and Concessi . And Deo sic hoc elemosinatio inspiring, Domino autem facta Favente Guilelmo committee is pro remedio anime mee and Ricardi patris mei Meri defuncti and Bileheldis matris mee defuncte in octabis Penthecostes coram venrabili patre Gaufrido Constanciensi episcopo benedicente and confirming etiam coram ... abbate Sancti Martini and Arnulfo and Heriberto and Rotgero monachis and quam pluribus aliis quorum nomina hic annotantur ........................ Item sequitur of eodem (sic) .... .................... ".
-This was translated from French on original site-
Are cited in this document, Humphrey I of the Old Bohon, his father Richard I of the Vieul Mary, his mother Mary and Billeheude Geoffrey de Montbray, Bishop of Coutances. Here is a translation:
"[...] To all those who are and will it be known that a rich and noble man, the knight Humphrey gave and granted to Saint-Martin Priory Bohon he founded. Because ... I, Humphrey, touched by God's mercy, I have decided to erect a religious house in my stronghold Bohon and I placed the monks there to serve God forever and St. Mary in the church St. George and the aforementioned house, with all its dependencies, I have given great heart and granted to Saint-Martin-de-Marmoutier. And this charity was so made under the inspiration of God and auspices of the Lord Count William, to the relief of my soul and the late Richard Mary, my father and the late Billeheude, my mother, in the octave Pentecost, in front of the venerable father Geoffrey, bishop of Coutances, blessing and confirming, in front ... also the abbot of Saint-Martin and Arnouf monks and Héribert and Roger and a host of others which are recorded here Item names ........................ follows the same ..................... ... ".
Later dates were given for the founding of the Priory Bohon, but given the title of Count William seems to prove that this room was prior to the year 1066 and that the foundation is older. Priory Bohon was originally served by a community of four canons. The Humphrey of deed of gift I of the Old Bohon was intended to give it to the Saint-Martin-de-Marmoutier abbey with the knight's fee that depended on it. Evidenced by a deed drawn up between 1071 and 1082 and bringing the subscriptions of King William, Queen Mathilde, their son, Robert and William Michel, Bishop of Avranches, of Odon, bishop of Bayeux, Roger de Montgomery and Richard, son of Turstin. The monks gradually replaced the canons after their death.
This donation Humphrey I of the Old Bohon was challenged by Geoffrey, son of veined, who claimed to Marmoutier monks sinecures a priory. Eudes the Chapel, Viscount of Cotentin, was charged by the king to rule on this different. By judgment of the court of the king of December 27, 1080 in Cherbourg, the case was decided in favor of the monks of Marmoutier.
Here is a copy of the Act concerning the judgment that was passed to the court of King William, in the presence of Viscount Eudes. Among the witnesses were found Bohon Humphrey I of the Old, accompanied by his son Richard III Mary (Richard Meri) and Torchetil of Bohon.
"[...] Notum sit omnibus praesentibus and Sancti Georgii praebendam futuris illam, quam filius Gaufridus Nervei unfair calumniatus fuerat, monachos Sancti Martini Majori Monasterio, judicio curiae regis Anglorum, videlicet coram episcopis Gaufrido Constantiensi, Michacle Abrincensi, Gisleberto Luxoviensi and Eudone vicecomite, quibus ditto rex judicium illud praecepit decernere has calumnia praedicti Gaufridi, justae deliberationis ratione apud Caesaris burgum, tertia Nativitalis Christi die, Sancto Martino and Sancto Georgio redemisse atque in perpetuum acquitavisse, sub testimonio domni Unfredi de Bohun and Richardi filii ejus , necnon Ingulfi, ejusdem loci canonici, Gaufredi dapiferi, Unfredi, Alveredi, Radulfi filli Benzelini, Rogerii of Albiniaco, filiique sui Rualoc, nigelli Bloeth, necnon and testimonio archidiaconorum Normanni atque Radulfi of Sancto Laudo, Sansonis Baiocensis, Bernadique filii Ospaet Rotomagensis, hominumque Sancti Martini, Rualoci of Heltvilla, atque Malgerii Stobelont, Torchetilli Bohon, Willelmi of Botevil. Auxit iterum postea quam Domnus Humfredus Suam elemosynam fecerat Beato and Georgio Sancto Martino cultura adjacet quae Sancto Georgio and pratoquod ibi habebut in suo dominicatu and rustic Anschitillo. Hanc autem rex Anglorum donationem Willelmus concessit fieri, requisitione Hunfredi Domini, cum rex sederet super suum tapetal interdomum foresterii and ecclesiam of Bernuvivilla, cum remansisset Anglia. Vidit autem hoc comes from Moretonio and comes Alanus Rufus. "
-Translated from Latin in Google and added-
"[...] And prepare it it be known to all present and to come, that of Saint George, which was the son of Geoffrey nerve unfair he cruelly oppressed, the monks of St Martin, the Mayor of Monasterio, judgment of the court of the king of the English, that is to say in the presence of the bishops of Geoffrey of Coutances, of Michael Abrincensi, Gisleberto of Luxeuil and the sheriff Eudo which ditto the judgment has to decide that the oppression of the aforesaid Geoffrey, just a deliberative manner with Caesar borough, third Nativitalis Christ's day, St Martin and St George bought and forever acquitavisse, the witness lord Unfredi de Bohun and Richard's son, as well as Ingulfi, the same place canon Geoffrey steward, Unfredi, Alveredi, Ralph Fitz Benzelinus, Roger of Aubigny, her son Rualocus, Nigel Bloeth well and testimony archidiaconorum Norman and Ralph of St Lo, Sansonis Bayeux, Bernadique children Ospaet Rouen, the population of St. Martin, Rualocus of Heltvilla and Malgerii Stobelont, Torchetilli Bohon, William of Botevil. Increased again after that Dom Humphrey made his alms, St. George, St. Martin and St. George, which is adjacent to the culture and pratoquod there habebut in its dominicatu and rustic Anschitillus. This is a gift to the king of England granted William made the request Hunfred Lord, when the king sat on his tapetal interdomum forest and assembly of Bernuvivilla when left England. And he saw also that the Earl of Mortain and comes from Alan Rufus. "
An earlier chartered in 1066 and purchased by the Duke William, tells us that Humphrey I of the Old Bohon gave a tenth of his charruée with a garden of his stronghold of Puchay in the abbey of Saint-Amand women Rouen for rest of his soul and those of his three wives, when his daughters became a nun there. The abbey of Saint-Léger women in Préaux received from him a tenth of Barbeville, the church Sainte-Marie, the tithe from the town of Carentan and the cure. He increased and confirmed the donation when the second of her daughters made himself religious. He gave the same establishment all he still had to Puchay with the agreement of his son, Richard III Mary (Richard Meri) and Robert Russell (Robert I of Bohon).
In 1062, I found Humphrey of Bohon and the Old Duke William at Hougue Biville accompanied by Roger de Montgomery and William, son of Osbern. During the meal, Guillaume exempted from customs lands neighboring Priory Héauville. A nobleman present criticized the liberalism of William and the latter, taking umbrage at the criticism, then threatened to hit him with a pork shoulder.
It was Hugh the Forester that Duke William would strike with a pig's shoulder, to cut short the objections was that lord. Here is the notice relating to exemption from the Héauville priory land. Among the witnesses found Humphrey I of the Old Bohon.
"[...] Notitia in hoc quod rex Guillelmus concessit, quando erat adhuc comes, agricolari monachis Sancti Martini consuetudinarias suas terras sine consuetudine apud Helvillam. Tempore quo Frethebertus monachus custodiebat res Sancti Martini apud Helville, concessit rex Anglorum, which adhuc erat comes, illi Monacho and hominibus Sancti Martini quod illi laborassent terram of'm costumiis sine ullo debito, sed rogavit ut tantum terram of cortilz not arassent, nisi vellent persolvere debita. Hoc solum prohibuit homines, sed sine monachis debito in dominicatu owner laborandam concessit. Manducans ad hoc concessit comes from the Hoge boiville, audientibus Rogerio Monte Gomario, Guillelmo Osberti Filio, Hugone forestario, quem voluit percutere de una espalla porci, pro [eo] quod donum illud contradicebat. Hoc autem bene habuit Sanctus Martinus donee Rothbertus Bertrannus ministerium vicecomitis accepit who bet pro hac re Sancti Martini praedam cepit, dicens is nescire regem istud fecisse. Tunc Gauslinus monachus, ex praecepto Rainaldi monachi, pro hac re mare transgrediens, clamorem fecit regi which iratus remisit praedictum monachum capellano cum suo Bernardo filio Hospac, reginae, praecipiens ei quod of Bertranno justitiam faceret Sancto Martino, and praedam redderet. Regina autem regi obediens coegit Rotbertum quaecumque rebus Sancti Martini rapuerat reddere, festivitate in Sancti Johannis, in nativitate in domo of Ceresbroch, audientibus episcopis Luxovii and Abrincarum, Richardo vicecomite, Heudone, Humfrido Buhonensi ".
-Translated From Latin in Google and added-
Information on the fact that the king has granted to William, when he was still a companion, he agricolari without the custom of the monks of St. Martin in the lands of their consuetudinarias Helvillum. At the time when Frethebertus monk watched the Saint Martin with Helvillum, granted king of England, which was still comes, those monks and people of Saint Martin that they have labored land of'm costumier without any debt, but asked that only the land of cortilz not plowed unless they pay debts. This only forbade men, but without the monks debt dominicatu owner laborandam granted. Eating comes from the Hoge Boivill granted for this purpose, the audience of the Monte Gomario Roger, William son of Osbert, Hugh the forester, whom he intended to strike him on the one espalla of the swine, for [the fact] that the gift of it against her. This well was Saint Martin until Rothberto Bertrannus sheriff's office who took the bet for this St. Martin booty seized, saying it did not know this king. Then Gauslinus monk at the command Rainaldi monks, for this sea moved, the alarm has been sent to the king which angry monk, a chaplain with his son Bernard Hospac queen, commanding him to do justice Bertranno of St. Martin, and prey pay. The queen was forced to obey all that matters, Robert S. Martin attracted to the festival in Saint John, in the birth house of Ceresbroch audience bishops Luxovio and Abrincis, Richard sheriff, Heudone, Humphrey Buhonensi ".
The Priory Héauville was not troubled in its franchises until the day Robert Bertran, Lord of Bricquebec office received the Viscount of Cotentin. This probably disregarding the exemption of Duke William, imposed certain royalties religious who complained to the king. Towards 1076, Humphrey I of the Old Bohon was in Normandy alongside Queen Matilda who was in charge of the provincial government in the absence of her husband, King William. He was in Cherbourg, witnessed the act by which Queen Matilda did justice to the monks of the priory which Héauville Robert Bertran, Lord of Bricquebec, Viscount of Cotentin had imposed charges of which they were provided.
The Humphrey subscription Bohon I of the Old is still found on many charters. An agreement in Bayeux between 1070 and 1081, before the Queen Mathilde between the abbot of Mont-Saint-Michel and William Painel. His signature and that of his son Richard III Mary (Richard Meri) appear alongside those of King William, Queen Mathilde and their son on two charters dated 30 January 1080 to Boscherville. One confirms the endowment of the Saint-Georges de Boscherville church and another donation to Saint-Florent de Saumur of Saint-Gervais church and St. Portais with other assets and income by William of Briouze.
Also on two charters, one written in Caen, where King William confirmed the founding of the Abbey of Lessay July 14, 1080 and another on the foundation of the Abbey of Montebourg. Humphrey I of the Old Bohon added to his gifts of land near the Bohon Priory and was confirmed to his request by King William, probably towards the end of 1081 year. On the Bayeux Tapestry, in a scene meals chaired by Odo, Bishop of Bayeux and half-brother of the conqueror, a bearded man is the right of William.
It seems very possible that this is Humphrey I of the Old Bohon "[...] Humfridus cum barba" which saw his age and rank at the court of William, always occupied a place of honor at the table.
In 1066, Humphrey I of the Old Bohon had been married three times, two of his daughters had entered the convent and her son were old enough to confirm his largesse. Despite his advanced age, Bohon Humphrey I of the Old took the bold decision to go with Duke William in his great adventure that was the conquest of England. His name is present on most lists of lords that followed Duke William. In his book "The novel Rou", the famous columnist Robert Wace, who lived near the time of the conquest, tells us the age and name of the one who figured it: "[...] E Bohon, li Onfrei old. "
We find his name more or less deformed on most lists of William Hastings companions (of Behunt, Boown, Boum, Bion). It is present the list of Dives-sur-Mer made by Mr. Leopold Delisle, where he was named "Honfroi of Bohon." Note also a significant number of variants to her name (Humphrey, Humphrey, Honfroi, Honfroy, Humfridus, Humphrey, Onfrei, Onfrey, Unfridus, Affroy, etc.).
Humphrey I of the Old Bohon with his vassals was in Hastings and is the "Domesday Book" or "Book of the Last Judgment" (presumably census conducted between 1080 and 1086). It is found "[...] tenantes in capite" for one lordship, that of Tatterford in Norfolk County. the small town of Tatterford Note that is located approximately 180 kilometers north of London significantly.
It is true that this may seem little compared substantial assets allocated by Guillaume most of his companions, but it is not unique. It seems clear that given his age and knowing that the enjoyment of large estates in England after the conquest was not easy, it probably received other compensation of King William.
The death of Humphrey I of the Old Bohon probably lies after 1081 year and before the year 1093. In his three marriages we know him four daughters and son but it is very likely that he had other children .
His first son, Richard III Mary, sire of Bohon (Richard Meri) inherited the ancestral stronghold and was originally two branches. The "Bohon» Normandy and "Bohon Midhurst" of England, who held an important place in the history of Normandy under the dynasty of the early Plantagenets.
His second son, Robert Russell (Robert I of Bohon) died relatively young and the lifetime of his father. The two girls that we know became nuns. The first in the Abbey Saint-Amand of Rouen and the second at the Saint-Léger in Préaux.
His third son, Humphrey II Bohon, Lord of Tatterford & Trowbridge (Humphrey II de Bohun) was the ancestor of the illustrious lineage of the Earls of Hereford, Essex and Northampton. His fourth son, Enguerran Bohon became a monk at the priory of Bohon or Saint-Martin abbey of Marmoutier.
We know nothing of this Torchetil Bohon who witnessed Richard III Mary (Richard Meri) in the judgment of 27 December 1080 to Cherbourg. There is no doubt that Torchetil Bohon was part of the kinship of Humphrey I of the Old Bohon. Was it a son? Was it one of his nephews? Unfortunately, it is likely that we will never have to answer this question. - End
Thanks
Jason -
Peter Stewart
Mar 12, 2016, 1:07:28 AM3/12/16
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On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 6:37:41 PM UTC+11, Jason Quick wrote:
> Are there are any other sources of Richard I de Mari and Billehuede St.
> Sauveur, daughter of Neil II (III) being the Parents of Humphrey I
> (with beard) Bohun that have not been destroyed by World War II?
The now-destroyed charter of Humphrey naming his parents and mentioning the approval of Willaim as count of Normandy ("Domino autem Guilelmo comite favente", i.e before he became king) was printed by Le Melletier, as you saw - we also have a confirmation of his grant to Marmoutier by William afteer he became king, probably issued in 1068 or shortly after, though this does not name Humphrey's parents ("ego Willelmus rex Anglorum et dux Normannorum ... confirmavi auctoritate mea donum quod fecit Unfredus de Bohon Deo et sancto Martino de Maiori Monasterio de ecclesia sancti Georgii que est apud Bohun").
> Are there are any other sources of Richard I de Mari and Billehuede St.
> Sauveur, daughter of Neil II (III) being the Parents of Humphrey I
> (with beard) Bohun that have not been destroyed by World War II?
I very much doubt that you could find another document naming the parents that was overlooked by Le Melletier. Is there a particular reason why you require further proof?
By the way, the parentage of Humphrey's mother Bilehild is not certain, but she was more probably a sister rather than daughter of Neel II of Saint-Sauveur.
I suggest that it is more useful to post just weblinks here instead of pasting in whole screeds (much less Google-translated ones) that nobody is likely to read through.
Peter Stewart
Jason Quick
Mar 13, 2016, 10:55:07 PM3/13/16
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And yes that was info overload... your suggestion is dully noted.
sabaris...@gmail.com
Mar 14, 2016, 1:55:16 AM3/14/16
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Peter Stewart
Mar 14, 2016, 2:59:28 AM3/14/16
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On Monday, March 14, 2016 at 1:55:07 PM UTC+11, Jason Quick wrote:
> On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 11:07:28 PM UTC-7, Peter Stewart wrote:
> >
> > By the way, the parentage of Humphrey's mother Bilehild is not certain, > > but she was more probably a sister rather than daughter of Neel II of
> > Saint-Sauveur.
> >
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> On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 11:07:28 PM UTC-7, Peter Stewart wrote:
> >
> > By the way, the parentage of Humphrey's mother Bilehild is not certain, > > but she was more probably a sister rather than daughter of Neel II of
> > Saint-Sauveur.
> >
> >
> > Peter Stewart
>
> Thanks Peter, I think you settled it for me. I also appreciate the info
> on Bilehild's non-certain parentage.
Unfortunately a great many sources for the era of the early Bohuns are no longer extant in original manuscripts - a charter transcribed before a loss in 1944 is not bad going.
> > Peter Stewart
>
> Thanks Peter, I think you settled it for me. I also appreciate the info
> on Bilehild's non-certain parentage.
As for Bilehild's origin, I don't know of any reason to connect her with the Saint-Sauveur family unless it is just because Neel II had a daughter of this name who occurs ca 1060. However, she would have been too young to be the mother of Humphrey the Bearded, who had been married three times before William became king in December 1066 - we know this from Humphrey's charter for Saint-Amand de Rouen "pro se et III mulieribus suis" subscribed "W. comitis et Normannorum ducis".
The charter you posted from Le Melletier's book was a reform of Saint-Georges de Bohun, replacing its four canons with monks of Marmoutier. The original foundation had been made by "Unfridus de Ulmo seu de Hometo", and it seems reasonable to speculate that this earlier namesake may have been the maternal grandfather of Humphrey the Bearded, i.e. the father of Bilehild.
Peter Stewart
Jason Quick
Mar 19, 2016, 3:34:01 PM3/19/16
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Previous posts on SGM that use info from Rev. Stathams' book that Bilehild could have been the daughter of Neel IV whom married Baldric de Lindsey, but I not see any link to the St. Sauveur's and the Neel's seem to be off a generation.
Info
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/statham$20sauveur/soc.genealogy.medieval/crPwI7jrrr0/KF3DQQGIStgJ
Descent of the Family Statham by Re. Statham
https://archive.org/stream/Descent_of_the_Family_of_Statham/Descent_Family_Statham#page/n11/mode/2up
Keats-Rohan on Bilehild St. Sauveur from the SGM Discussion
"Dr. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, in her "Poppa of Bayeux and her family," TAG
july/October 1997, 72:187-204, verifies that Nigel [whom she numbers Nigel II]
married Adela ("sister of Richard, William and Baldwin I of Reviers and a
relative of William of Vernon") and had two sons named William and three
daughters, Emma, Bilelda (Bilihildis) and Matilda. She suggests that Nigel's
father, Nigel I de St. Sauveur, married a daughter of Robert, count of
Avranches, and his wife Bilihild of Maine."
Keats-Rohan on Billehild de Lindsay
https://books.google.com/books?id=uiUScMEkEGoC&pg=PA160&dq=baldric+billihild&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYxMeuus3LAhUKdD4KHXIvBaIQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=baldric%20billihild&f=false
The Hoorn
Mar 19, 2016, 4:56:50 PM3/19/16
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Other than the manuscript which narrates the descents of the founders of Lanthony Abbey, what other early charter sources that explicitly names the parentage of:
(For convenience sake, I am copying pasting the descents I am interested in, from Charles Cawley's Medieval Lands site with approximate death dates or last known existence in brackets):
HUMPHREY [II] de Bohun (-[1128/29])
HUMPHREY [III] de Bohun ([1100/10][473]-[1164/65])
HUMPHREY [IV] de Bohun (-[1180]
Thanks in advance.
(For convenience sake, I am copying pasting the descents I am interested in, from Charles Cawley's Medieval Lands site with approximate death dates or last known existence in brackets):
HUMPHREY [II] de Bohun (-[1128/29])
HUMPHREY [III] de Bohun ([1100/10][473]-[1164/65])
HUMPHREY [IV] de Bohun (-[1180]
Thanks in advance.
Peter Stewart
Mar 20, 2016, 12:42:58 AM3/20/16
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On Sunday, March 20, 2016 at 6:34:01 AM UTC+11, Jason Quick wrote:
<chomp>
> Still on the Subject of Bilehild St. Sauveur
>
> Previous posts on SGM that use info from Rev. Stathams' book that Bilehild could have been the daughter of Neel IV whom married Baldric de Lindsey, but I not see any link to the St. Sauveur's and the Neel's seem to be off a generation.
>
> Info
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/statham$20sauveur/soc.genealogy.medieval/crPwI7jrrr0/KF3DQQGIStgJ
>
> Descent of the Family Statham by Re. Statham
>
> https://archive.org/stream/Descent_of_the_Family_of_Statham/Descent_Family_Statham#page/n11/mode/2up
>
> Keats-Rohan on Bilehild St. Sauveur from the SGM Discussion
>
> "Dr. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, in her "Poppa of Bayeux and her family," TAG
> july/October 1997, 72:187-204, verifies that Nigel [whom she numbers Nigel II]
> married Adela ("sister of Richard, William and Baldwin I of Reviers and a
> relative of William of Vernon") and had two sons named William and three
> daughters, Emma, Bilelda (Bilihildis) and Matilda. She suggests that Nigel's
> father, Nigel I de St. Sauveur, married a daughter of Robert, count of
> Avranches, and his wife Bilihild of Maine."
>
> Keats-Rohan on Billehild de Lindsay
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=uiUScMEkEGoC&pg=PA160&dq=baldric+billihild&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYxMeuus3LAhUKdD4KHXIvBaIQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=baldric%20billihild&f=false
If it wasn't a good idea to post a mass of Google translation guff in the first placed, it is doubly poor form to re-copy it all.
As for Bilehild of Saint-Sauveur, refer to my previous post - she was a daughter of Neel II who occurs with her siblings ca 1060 and cannot possibly be the mother of Humfrey I of Bohun who was married three times before December 1066.
Bilehild is just a given name, not very uncommon in 11th-century Normandy, and in isolation from more useful evidence it cannot prove any genealogical connection.
Peter Stewart
<chomp>
> Still on the Subject of Bilehild St. Sauveur
>
> Previous posts on SGM that use info from Rev. Stathams' book that Bilehild could have been the daughter of Neel IV whom married Baldric de Lindsey, but I not see any link to the St. Sauveur's and the Neel's seem to be off a generation.
>
> Info
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/soc.genealogy.medieval/statham$20sauveur/soc.genealogy.medieval/crPwI7jrrr0/KF3DQQGIStgJ
>
> Descent of the Family Statham by Re. Statham
>
> https://archive.org/stream/Descent_of_the_Family_of_Statham/Descent_Family_Statham#page/n11/mode/2up
>
> Keats-Rohan on Bilehild St. Sauveur from the SGM Discussion
>
> "Dr. Katherine S. B. Keats-Rohan, in her "Poppa of Bayeux and her family," TAG
> july/October 1997, 72:187-204, verifies that Nigel [whom she numbers Nigel II]
> married Adela ("sister of Richard, William and Baldwin I of Reviers and a
> relative of William of Vernon") and had two sons named William and three
> daughters, Emma, Bilelda (Bilihildis) and Matilda. She suggests that Nigel's
> father, Nigel I de St. Sauveur, married a daughter of Robert, count of
> Avranches, and his wife Bilihild of Maine."
>
> Keats-Rohan on Billehild de Lindsay
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> https://books.google.com/books?id=uiUScMEkEGoC&pg=PA160&dq=baldric+billihild&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjYxMeuus3LAhUKdD4KHXIvBaIQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=baldric%20billihild&f=false
As for Bilehild of Saint-Sauveur, refer to my previous post - she was a daughter of Neel II who occurs with her siblings ca 1060 and cannot possibly be the mother of Humfrey I of Bohun who was married three times before December 1066.
Bilehild is just a given name, not very uncommon in 11th-century Normandy, and in isolation from more useful evidence it cannot prove any genealogical connection.
Peter Stewart
Peter Stewart
Mar 20, 2016, 12:43:32 AM3/20/16
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These (and others) were printed in 'Charters of the earldom of Hereford, 1095-1201', edited by David Walker, Camden Miscellany XXII (1964) - the quotations are from nos. 63, 91 and 97.
Peter Stewart
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